Is the Porsche Panamera 4 a better performance sedan to buy?

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  • čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
  • The Panamera 4 is Porsche's answer to the competition from Audi, BMW, and Mercedes Benz. On the outside it has body lines that make it looked like a stretched 911. On the inside you will be greeted to top quality materials, leather seating, and the perfect steering wheel. Under the hood there is a 3.0L turbo V6 producing 330HP & mated to a PDK transmission. Is the Porsche Panamera 4 the best performance sedan?
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Komentáře • 342

  • @danielhtoo2105
    @danielhtoo2105 Před 3 lety +81

    “Let’s talk about what’s going on here” alway got me...😂

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  Před 3 lety +10

      Thanks for letting me share it with you!

    • @bingo8789
      @bingo8789 Před 3 lety +5

      😂 I think the Best part is .... Joe, I like this car. How much is this gonna cost me. Then Joe says some outrageous cost lol

    • @MLGSU5P3CT
      @MLGSU5P3CT Před 3 lety +4

      @@bingo8789 Lmaoo I love how he does his vids. Let’s talk about what’s going on here
      And: “Joe, I’m really looking for a nice car with that daily practicality and performance , this one is checking all the boxes for me, how much is it” lmao
      Well, the way this one sits , (outrageous price) 1.5MILLLLLLLLION$ lol

    • @GeorgiaMade404
      @GeorgiaMade404 Před 3 lety

      I like’em in black

    • @apostlepastorfczwane
      @apostlepastorfczwane Před 3 lety

      Then you know we’re about to get in detail😂😂

  • @mattmekhaeil
    @mattmekhaeil Před 3 lety +46

    That blue is gorgeous. Looks so good in the sun

  • @Raven-uu7lb
    @Raven-uu7lb Před 3 lety +19

    Porsche did improve the overall design with the later generation of the Panamera. The first one looks weird because of that high humping back, the second generation does looks better because of the smooth coupé roofline. That's one of the best redesign improvement I've ever seen.

  • @VN-je7rb
    @VN-je7rb Před 3 lety +23

    It has vents Joe they are active flaps that open up to prioritize aero or cooling. If you take it for a spin and look at the front after you hop out you will see they are open. Porsches never put fake vents on their cars!

    • @Eeee-z8y
      @Eeee-z8y Před 2 lety +4

      Great observation,love Porsche so much I'm not sure if anything can be zonked.

    • @F12enthusiast
      @F12enthusiast Před 9 měsíci

      GT3 RS has fake vents...

  • @sardarpopal5742
    @sardarpopal5742 Před rokem +2

    Just love it, out of this world. Especially that infotainment system, placed so nicely in the dashboard. Not sticking out like most of the other brands.

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  Před rokem

      I am glad that you are digging this Porsche.

  • @rons.2335
    @rons.2335 Před 3 lety +14

    Joe the man Raiti! One of the most hard working CZcamsrs out there...much respect to the HD camera work of Lori as well. Nothing like a couple working together 🤙🏽💪🏽💪🏽 if there is one exotic car I would get, it would be Porsche...

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  Před 3 lety +2

      Thanks Ron for being a member of the Raiti's Rides family! We really appreciate you!

  • @FreeHat
    @FreeHat Před 3 lety +26

    The last time I was this early, the twinkies truck had just pulled up

  • @darriusdlandy85
    @darriusdlandy85 Před 3 lety +17

    Beautiful car! Great review. And the fact that a meatball sub can be stored in the door may be the selling point! Great job!

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  Před 3 lety +2

      Thanks for letting me share it with you Darrius!

  • @stellantistom6881
    @stellantistom6881 Před 3 lety +6

    Morning Joe! I love watching a good old 4 door sedan, when it comes to Porsche.

  • @paulfrantzis1
    @paulfrantzis1 Před rokem +1

    Love the speedometer blackout, as if we don't know he's going fast🤣🤣🤣

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  Před rokem

      LOL Thanks for letting me share the laughs with you!

  • @-PR0METHEUS-
    @-PR0METHEUS- Před 3 lety +12

    Congrats on 500K glad to see this channel growing bigger and bigger, always honest on something you like and don’t like about a car.

  • @MLGSU5P3CT
    @MLGSU5P3CT Před 3 lety +16

    I started watching this manly man when he had 15-17k subscribers....JEEZE

  • @davids.9707
    @davids.9707 Před 2 lety +3

    Performance & Functionality all-in-one package. Love the styling.

  • @doggedlydetermined7022
    @doggedlydetermined7022 Před 3 lety +40

    Such an awesome car, I’ve always loved these Panameras. Even with this base engine it’s still plenty of fun and a decent sound too!

    • @weirdshibainu
      @weirdshibainu Před 3 lety +2

      Right? I like 911's, but these are far more affordable and much more practical

    • @unklecorky2181
      @unklecorky2181 Před 2 lety +1

      @@weirdshibainu I dunno dude. A base Panamera price is really creeping up to the price of a base 911.

    • @weirdshibainu
      @weirdshibainu Před 2 lety +3

      @@unklecorky2181 I know. But do a 4 day roadtrip in a 911 with someone, vs. a Panamera

    • @unklecorky2181
      @unklecorky2181 Před 2 lety +1

      @@weirdshibainu haha this is true! Ultimately you can’t go wrong with either.

    • @weirdshibainu
      @weirdshibainu Před 2 lety +1

      @@unklecorky2181 A friend of mine loaned me his NSX for a week. Beautiful car, but literally no room to even take a carry on bag. Really put it into perspective

  • @CarShark
    @CarShark Před 3 lety +17

    Wow that Porsche is extremely sharp with that sleek blue color. Such a nice car, one of my favorites

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  Před 3 lety +3

      I am so glad that you like this one.

  • @Samir-ru4rl
    @Samir-ru4rl Před 3 lety +7

    Hahaha I love when Joe introduces the price for the cars LOL... "the way this is packaged and you're looking at the top of the level trim, you're looking at about.... lets see what you get for the price"

  • @lpete531
    @lpete531 Před 3 lety +9

    I always love that car! Just to expensive for me. And I love the back seats, looks more roomy than I expected at your height. Great review, awesome camera work.👍🏽

  • @freddywayne
    @freddywayne Před 3 lety +4

    I fell in love with these after the 2018 refresh. I want one 😍

  • @leeeinfield
    @leeeinfield Před 3 lety +1

    That blue color is gorgeous

  • @velvetarctic4730
    @velvetarctic4730 Před 3 lety +13

    Love that rear🔥

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  Před 3 lety

      I am glad that I could share this one with you!

  • @ABDR._.
    @ABDR._. Před 3 lety +16

    *Raiti's Ride is The Best & Legendary Like Always* ! *Thank u so Much Raiti's Rides* ! ❤💚💜💖🌌🔥🔥🍬🍬💕✅🤗

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  Před 3 lety +3

      You are so very welcome!

    • @seanpendleton59
      @seanpendleton59 Před 2 lety

      @@RaitisRides fun fact about me is that the Panamera was my very first favorite car I have always wanted a Panamera ever since but I am going Nissan Altima and Chevy Malibu RS for fuel efficiency because I want a car that has good mpg the Panamera gets 18 mpg in the city and good on the highway but I don't care about that the Panamera Turbo S 2012 the 970 version I love going on throttle just like you flooring that 500 horsepower Panamera Turbo S through the twistybits

  • @bmlove81
    @bmlove81 Před 3 lety +1

    Since the panamera badge is black, the wheels are mostly black, and the tail lights are smoked out, the black door handles are a nice touch.😉

  • @307skylake7
    @307skylake7 Před 3 lety +5

    Great video! That Blue, and those rims are spot on. For a base + 4WD, that’s pretty nice! I could see you having some fun in the corners too haha. Awesome catch! Good to see some more videos of the Panamera!

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  Před 3 lety +1

      I totally agree with you!

    • @joecampbell2529
      @joecampbell2529 Před 2 lety

      What blue name is this for Porsche? Nothing on the configurators look like this. Thanks!

    • @307skylake7
      @307skylake7 Před 2 lety

      @@joecampbell2529 I think this (used) to be called ‘Sapphire Blau’ for Porsche. Unfortunately it was discontinued, but it was all across the Porsche range! Hopefully I could help out 😄.

    • @joecampbell2529
      @joecampbell2529 Před 2 lety

      @@307skylake7 Thanks! I'm sorry that it's no longer available...great color!

  • @jalinforest9669
    @jalinforest9669 Před 3 lety +5

    Your videos are so fun to watch

  • @blairbrown4812
    @blairbrown4812 Před 3 lety +1

    I'm not the biggest fan of Porsche,but if you got the dough,then the Panamera is definitely the best way to go. 👌 😄 Porsche performance,sexy sedan looks and room for family or three or four of your closest friends. Aside from the Hellcat Charger, the Cadillac CT6-V and the Mercedes AMG GT 4-door,this is on my list of sports sedans.

  • @efthimios
    @efthimios Před 8 měsíci +1

    How it makes it to 60 in 4.6 sec with only 330 hp and 4K lbs is amazing

  • @anthonybaez52
    @anthonybaez52 Před 3 lety +3

    15:14 ON THROTTLE!!!!!!!!!! Wow it sounds nice

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  Před 3 lety

      I am so glad that you are liking this one.

  • @98765432139267
    @98765432139267 Před 3 lety +3

    BTW those top vents are functional for air ventilation! My dad has a cayenne turbo and they work really well.

  • @danthehokie
    @danthehokie Před 3 lety +1

    I love that your video titles are so often questions that just launch more questions. Better than....what? You always keep me guessing, you mysterious SOB.

  • @clothestravel
    @clothestravel Před 3 lety +2

    I like the Panamera, but I prefer the Grand Turismo wagon variant!!! Bring us the Panamera Sport Grand Turismo!!!

  • @yes8032
    @yes8032 Před 3 lety +2

    Wow that’s one of the best 4 door sedans I’ve seen that blue is amazing

  • @daveg.4862
    @daveg.4862 Před 2 lety +1

    Great info Joe, the 2018 Re-design was huge improvement. My 18' S6 will leave this prom queen like she was tied to a post. The similar used car is an A6 with 3.0 turbo. Porsche interior is nice tho.

  • @Benscarreviews
    @Benscarreviews Před 3 lety +2

    That color should be offered on all cars🔥👑

  • @Since91Too
    @Since91Too Před 3 lety +2

    This dude loves food in the car 😂😂😂

  • @NinezAJ16
    @NinezAJ16 Před 3 lety +2

    Thx for the POV VIEW ❤ NEED MORE

  • @InterstateRaziTV
    @InterstateRaziTV Před 3 lety +3

    Great video Raiti!

  • @peterhadfield9840
    @peterhadfield9840 Před 3 lety +2

    Love this new gen Panamera big time over the previous gen! Would have to be a V8 twin turbo for me and that infotainment dash is to swoon for!

  • @mrwintry1
    @mrwintry1 Před 3 lety +1

    $72k no wireless charging? Porsche makes you pay for everything additional. Gotta love it.

  • @DriverDude100
    @DriverDude100 Před 3 lety +1

    If I had this car, I would get the outside door handles color matched to the body. It's an awesome car otherwise. Great video!

  • @KingDavid7
    @KingDavid7 Před 3 lety +1

    Dude, you're supposed to say... "Come on over to the BUSINESS side here!"

  • @pope9349
    @pope9349 Před 3 lety +2

    Love the Panamera.The crazy thing is you can get an old junker Panamera for pretty cheap and its hell of a car for the price you going to pay.

    • @steinerhayes
      @steinerhayes Před 3 lety

      Yeah but the back end of the old ones is pretty gnarly. 2019 redesign looks wayyy better

    • @yoshiakik.5332
      @yoshiakik.5332 Před 2 lety

      @@steinerhayes I think this design came out in 16 or 17

  • @dhenri727
    @dhenri727 Před 3 lety +3

    I like how the speed was censored 😂

  • @danv8717
    @danv8717 Před 3 lety +1

    Awesome color! I prefer the V8 version of that car over the 3.0 liter V6.

  • @Bus_211
    @Bus_211 Před 3 lety +5

    That car look fire bro

  • @LS1007
    @LS1007 Před 3 lety +2

    Not the Porsche I would get but if you need the extra room, go for it. Thanks for sharing it Joe. Nicely done! I see Lori is wearing her fav hat. Nice job Lori!! 👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  Před 3 lety +1

      I like the way that you put that! Lori does really love that hat!

    • @pjwashington5818
      @pjwashington5818 Před 3 lety

      @@RaitisRides can we get more panamera vids. First gen turbo/ turbo s would be nice 😀

  • @dejonbuick6070
    @dejonbuick6070 Před 3 lety +4

    Hi Joe love the review on the Porsche, however MAYBE next you should review the 2021 gts v8 version and pit that car against the Amg g 63s ,both are great cars. Which one would you buy.

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  Před 3 lety

      That sounds like a great plan to me Dejon!

  • @SteveGOML
    @SteveGOML Před 3 lety +6

    Raiti you have become my favorite car reviewer! I actually am looking to get a Panamera 4S trying to upgrade from my GLE350! Awesome video as always 😎

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks Steve that really means a lot!

  • @bjr9257
    @bjr9257 Před rokem +1

    Fantastic review 👍🏾

  • @DiegoDays7
    @DiegoDays7 Před 3 lety +2

    You the man Joe! Best car reviewer on earth.

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  Před 3 lety

      Thanks Diego! I am so glad that you are part of the Raiti's Rides family!

  • @adama047
    @adama047 Před 3 lety +4

    Beautiful Porsche! I'm as surprised with the lack of corner venting as you are, but overall, someone is going to be very happy with their purchase. Awesome video Lori, as always!

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  Před 3 lety +1

      This is so true Adam! I am so glad that you are liking this one.

    • @VN-je7rb
      @VN-je7rb Před 3 lety +2

      It has vents Joe they are active flaps that open up to prioritize aero or cooling. If you take it for a spin and look at the front after you hop out you will see they are open. Porsches never put fake vents on their cars!

    • @adama047
      @adama047 Před 3 lety +2

      @@VN-je7rb that's good to know! No zonks from me!

  • @octoman_games
    @octoman_games Před 3 lety +1

    I just picked up a Panamera 4S, its great! for 35k, cant go wrong!

  • @mystictk4149
    @mystictk4149 Před 3 lety +1

    Extremely nice car. I love the color and tinted windows, just overall a beautiful a thing.

  • @ABDR._.
    @ABDR._. Před 3 lety +5

    *Great video Raiti's Rides Like Always* ! ❤💚💜💖🌌🔥🔥🍬🍬💕✅🤗

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  Před 3 lety +1

      Thanks for saying that and letting me share it with you!

  • @markp3594
    @markp3594 Před 2 lety

    Just purchased 16’ w/ only 17k mi. Had a 911 for 7yrs - wife wanted more room. Not a 911 but I really enjoy this luxury GT car that’s tilled toward sport side.

  • @thomasmallory148
    @thomasmallory148 Před 3 lety +1

    Raiti back with a banging video luv the grind!

  • @dennis5909
    @dennis5909 Před 2 lety +1

    Nice work Joe I love your reviews, big ups to the camera lady 👍

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  Před 2 lety +1

      Thanks Dennis! Lori really is the best!

    • @dennis5909
      @dennis5909 Před 2 lety

      @@RaitisRides The very best 👍

  • @jameskyle2238
    @jameskyle2238 Před 3 lety +1

    My favorite car JOE!!! these things are awesome!

  • @nevillejames2200
    @nevillejames2200 Před 3 lety

    Great video. Thanks for the background info. "Bag of grains" lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @eklektikTechno
    @eklektikTechno Před 3 lety +3

    I would love to have one of these!!! but this is beyond my budget for now though 72K isn’t bad! 🧐

  • @GemmyDonCars
    @GemmyDonCars Před 3 lety +1

    Awesome review as always, Joe. I'm gonna drive one of these later today hopefully.

  • @AlexIsUber
    @AlexIsUber Před 3 lety +1

    First gen design looked kinda chunky. This gen looks great. I cannot believe its bose sound system lol

  • @Ben-mq8ug
    @Ben-mq8ug Před 3 lety +1

    Rich blue color, however I like the quad exhaust tips. Just a preference when you are shelling out 50k+.

  • @vaporeon6594
    @vaporeon6594 Před 3 lety +4

    Looked like the new brz at first glance in the thumbnail 😅

  • @stephenfreitas7095
    @stephenfreitas7095 Před 3 lety +3

    Joe,
    I’d love to see a video covering the 2021 GMC Terrain SLT. I’m torn between the terrain and Equinox. In the market for a new car. Any suggestions. I’ve also been looking at the Rav4 and forester. Love the videos!

  • @TicklerDude
    @TicklerDude Před 3 lety +3

    I visited the Porsche factory when I lived in Stuttgart in 2014.

  • @brycecampbell4845
    @brycecampbell4845 Před 7 měsíci +1

    I don't think the 4 wheel drive helps performance until you get up into GTS hp and above. I guess in rain and snow it's better...

  • @jambro7983
    @jambro7983 Před 3 lety

    That color on in looks super good

  • @QaasimJenkins
    @QaasimJenkins Před 3 lety +2

    You had me at “full meatball sub” 😂😂😂

  • @dankind64
    @dankind64 Před 3 lety +7

    Zonk Tracker:
    2:27 - No functionality in the lower corner front grills
    4:35 - Non-color-matching door pulls
    9:13 - Worthless vents near clock on top of dash

  • @ehsanrasoulli
    @ehsanrasoulli Před 3 lety

    this is best camera view while you are driving the car

  • @logandolatowski7929
    @logandolatowski7929 Před 3 lety +1

    sweet looking whip! I think this one and the taycan looks awesome

  • @islandon22
    @islandon22 Před 3 lety

    I totally get why this car was originally designed. It made sense. Like Raiti, in the beginning I wasn't impressed, but it has grown on me a lot as well.
    Would I buy one? Probably not. I would always defer to a Cayman. I've driven both the 911, Boxster, and a few others. But the Cayman just feels right. Not faster, just RIGHT.
    (IMHO)

  • @MarkR973
    @MarkR973 Před 3 lety +1

    I just checked out Porsche last week cause my daughter has the Cayenne.. in my view the Panamara is nice but not sure it makes sense considering they make the Cayenne and Macan... maybe I’m getting old but the higher riding position and practicality of their SUVs just Trump it... I wouldn’t wanna be in the back seat in an extended drive.. it’s proportional in the back for two but it’s anything but spacious...

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  Před 3 lety

      That is really great! Thank you for sharing that!

    • @yoshiakik.5332
      @yoshiakik.5332 Před 2 lety

      It makes sense because the Panamera is sexy as heck. Why would you go ugly SUV when you can have a Panamera? Obviously the Macan isn't in this class, being cheaper, but the Cayenne is rather expensive.

  • @nijaigreen400
    @nijaigreen400 Před 3 lety +1

    Sometimes porsche makes it too much money on that and others cars

  • @iamfather2810
    @iamfather2810 Před 5 měsíci +2

    Base Panamera totally enough

  • @paullazecki5550
    @paullazecki5550 Před 3 lety +2

    Webster dictionary puts a picture of a Panamera in their definition of the word depreciation...I think the Macan and Cayanne make this car superfluous...but I would't kick it out of the garage...Thanks J/L!

    • @steinerhayes
      @steinerhayes Před 3 lety

      Panamera probably handles better than the Macan and Cayenne though

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  Před 3 lety

      Thanks for letting us share it with you!

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  Před 3 lety

      Of course with its lower center of gravity!

  • @deshawnlovell4872
    @deshawnlovell4872 Před 3 lety +2

    Omg Joe so Earle I was not expecting this

  • @MrPugheaven
    @MrPugheaven Před 3 lety

    I've a softspot for this... but would be interesting to see the GT deffo the v8... I do like the looks of these, like you Jo, it's grown on me over the years!!! And barely ANY around even in the UK!

  • @anthonybaez52
    @anthonybaez52 Před 3 lety +2

    It really look nice

  • @dannysolomon5968
    @dannysolomon5968 Před 3 lety

    I like that 50th anniversary Range in the back

  • @FAUjavier1232
    @FAUjavier1232 Před rokem

    Love all your videos. Always detailed about the cars and just the exact info needed. Congrats on your awesome channel. Btw love your watch. What model is it? Thanks

  • @Pippinm7
    @Pippinm7 Před 3 lety +1

    The food references kill me 😂

  • @clearadvantagecleaningsyst152

    Thanks for the great review. I’m looking to buy one.

  • @kenny-d3944
    @kenny-d3944 Před 3 lety +3

    Another Great car review from the hardest working man in car reviews.. JOE RAITI.. Thanks for all the hard work .. Thanks Lori.. :-)

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  Před 3 lety +1

      That is wonderful Kenny! Thanks for being so suipportive!

  • @Aschoolbusandsimulatorfan2219

    WOW!!!!! This Car Is Definitely A Beauty & It's Clean Inside & Out.

  • @mariowhyte2816
    @mariowhyte2816 Před 3 lety +2

    Nothing like a Porsche Panamera On Throttle tiiiiiiiime!!! Maaaaaaaan oooooooooh maaaaaaaan this one is a looker here Joe!!! They cleaned it up even more, gave it the beans and let it go!!! I love them!!! #RaitisRides #OnThrottle #501kSubsAndCounting #ToTheDoorPanel #TwinkiesForDays #OnThrottleAgain #LoriGotAngles #CameraQueen #Zonkmeister #OnThrottleAllOverThePlace #IfYoureReadyImReady #Porsche #Panamera

    • @RaitisRides
      @RaitisRides  Před 3 lety +1

      Porsche Power! Thanks for always tuning in man!

  • @trevorsutherland5263
    @trevorsutherland5263 Před 3 lety +1

    Man, $72K and you don't even have leather on the dash or doorsills. 330hp when Maserati is giving you 424hp from their twin-turbo V6, or even Caddy with their slightly bigger TT V6 at 474hp! I drool over 911s and Cayman GT4, but I would not ever buy a Porsche sedan or SUV; there are far too many options that are far better both above and below the Panamera , Macan, and Cayenne. Now, when it comes to sports cars, Porsche is the pinnacle; however once you are looking at the more every day driver models, you are basically getting the same thing everyone else is selling so why bother with the Porsche?

  • @sirtrucks-a-lot4478
    @sirtrucks-a-lot4478 Před 3 lety

    Raiti, mannnn you're going through all the snacks in this video 🤣🤣 you should do a counter on how many times you've mentioned snacks in your videos 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @anthonybaez52
    @anthonybaez52 Před 3 lety +1

    A 3.0L twin turbo V6 great engine

  • @anthonybaez52
    @anthonybaez52 Před 3 lety +2

    Ooooo is that a clock inside I like it

  • @jeffs6090
    @jeffs6090 Před 3 lety

    Odd thing is, the black door handles is an option. This guy optioned out all the other black accents and added the handles to go with that. Still a zonk imo. Body color door handles would def be better.

  • @Jorge_9495
    @Jorge_9495 Před rokem

    Saw this car with black color yesterday

  • @JoseyOaks
    @JoseyOaks Před 3 lety

    You keep saying you think Porsche should have done something with the gloss black trim. This car has so many variations its a customers choice to have it.

  • @long_fellow
    @long_fellow Před 3 lety

    Surprisingly ample headroom in the rear seats!

  • @tuxedoblackcat1680
    @tuxedoblackcat1680 Před 3 lety

    My favorite Volkswagen Group Brand!

  • @anthonybaez52
    @anthonybaez52 Před 3 lety +2

    Inside is cool

  • @richiemao6991
    @richiemao6991 Před 3 lety

    So in love with this color 👍

  • @rgurtiza
    @rgurtiza Před rokem +1

    C’mon Joe, you know better. Those vents are functional. They open automatically.

  • @jalinforest9669
    @jalinforest9669 Před 3 lety +1

    I enjoy your videos so much

  • @mph3500
    @mph3500 Před 3 lety

    Congratulations on passing 500k Joe and Lori!