Hello Bill, thank you for a very interesting and informative video on FP Journe. I have an Octa Lune in rose gold and the boutique called me today for allocation of the perpetual calendar in rose gold and blue guilloche. I accepted and will receive it at the end of April 2024. A real surprise to get the call today. Patients pays off since I never asked the boutique when I would receive an allocation. You have to build a reputation first with the boutique staff.
Good observation Thomas-getting along with the people who make decisions on allocations. For the time being, my two FPJs will have to last-still get a thrill out of them both. Take care, Bill
The dial designs for FP Journe are amazing. The hands, the numeral typography, the metal borders, etc. phenomenal. The caliber bridges in gold is also icing on the cake. That being said, the finishing (at least not the high complication models) leaves a little to be desired in comparison to say the hand beveling of Laurent Ferrier or Romain Gauthier, though on the same level as Patek and AP.
I agree - GF and RGs finishing is leagues above FPJ. But FPJ just has *soul*, kind of difficult to explain. That makes it very difficult to properly compare those brands. And your right on the technique itself, FPJ uses a mix of hand an machine finishing, just like AP and Patek. I do know that Patek makes a few watches that are exclusively hand finished, but these pieces are sold at astronomical prices. Not sure if AP has any exclusively hand finished pieces in it‘s current line up.
Extraordinary pieces from JP Journe! I remember when the chronometre Blue was under $20000 many years ago, now it’s unheard of. Enjoy your JP Journe Pieces Dr!
F.P. Journe makes a great watch. No argument. But the F.P. Journe is more than a watch brand, it has become a legend. There is more to the brand than just the watch, its the person. It was his passion, his salesmanship (or specific lack thereof), his personal character. F.P. Journe is how legends are made of.
@@watchartsci bill, are these prices the 2023 prices? I'm hoping to get offered a CS soon but have been stressing over pricing, are these the accurate prices since the recent price bump?
Journe watches seem completely out of reach now and possibly forever. The premium on them is astronomical and the competition at the boutiques is almost insurmountable. It seems like the premium on the second market won't subside until they either make a lot more watches which could fulfill demand (unlikely) or they fall out of fashion with the richest watch buyers making them more available to the rest of us (also unlikely). I guess if there is enough of an economic downturn in the future, maybe then the watch market on the whole would see all premiums decrease. Until then, they are pieces to certainly admire and hold as grails, but not to own. I'm sure you hold your two Journes closely and appreciate them to their greatest extent.
That is one of the most beautiful watches with superb horology inside. You knew about the brand before many watch aficionados and obtained this piece. Congratulations Bill. Which independent brands you think will be favored in the future for their craftmanship?
Very interesting video. I’ve never looked too deeply into FP Journe., now I know why. Great watches that are little out of my reach, but very interesting. Best regards, Brian
Great video and excellent series on FP Journe. I'm lucky to have an Octa Lune Grey Dial and love it! Is it true that he only makes 2 black dials per series per year? amazing.
I waited so long from my AD that I finally bought one from grey.. Never look back since then. The asymmetry dial design, case shape and functionality defined the brand imo.
Hey Bill, these watches should not be available for sale to the general public. They belong in a museum for everyone to view. If Journe personally discounted a watch 75% just for me, I still couldn't afford it. 🙃
Hey, WashFBfan! FPJ could produce a limited edition of maybe 100 Chronomètre Souverains with stainless steel cases and brass bridges & plates for under $10k and they'd be gone before they reached the retailers...but if they use the same resources to produce 100 Chronomètre Souverain in rose gold with gold bridges & plates for $40k that would fill up the orders on a waiting list... why use resources to create watches for far lower profits? Take care, Bill
I'm waiting for the resonance and the optimum. Lets see how long it takes...ive given up on the CB and thehre not taking wait lists anymore anyway. Do i really want to pay datograph money for a simple 3 hander, but with a beautiful metal, tantalum and a gorgeous blue dial? Maybe!! Haha
I got the CS in platinum instead of the CB, and it's been one of the most fun watches to own. The Resonance is just horological magic, Jake! Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci thank you Bill! I am patiently waiting for an allocation. Staff at the boutique are always nice and welcoming, even if it might take years to acquire at retail.
Love the Journe videos Bill, keep em coming!
All in good time Therapist ... all in good time. Take care, Bill
Hello Bill, thank you for a very interesting and informative video on FP Journe. I have an Octa Lune in rose gold and the boutique called me today for allocation of the perpetual calendar in rose gold and blue guilloche. I accepted and will receive it at the end of April 2024. A real surprise to get the call today. Patients pays off since I never asked the boutique when I would receive an allocation. You have to build a reputation first with the boutique staff.
Good observation Thomas-getting along with the people who make decisions on allocations. For the time being, my two FPJs will have to last-still get a thrill out of them both. Take care, Bill
The dial designs for FP Journe are amazing. The hands, the numeral typography, the metal borders, etc. phenomenal. The caliber bridges in gold is also icing on the cake. That being said, the finishing (at least not the high complication models) leaves a little to be desired in comparison to say the hand beveling of Laurent Ferrier or Romain Gauthier, though on the same level as Patek and AP.
Patek is levels below an FP Journe, especially since they've started stuffing silicon hairsprings in them, Wangang. Take care, Bill
I agree - GF and RGs finishing is leagues above FPJ. But FPJ just has *soul*, kind of difficult to explain. That makes it very difficult to properly compare those brands. And your right on the technique itself, FPJ uses a mix of hand an machine finishing, just like AP and Patek. I do know that Patek makes a few watches that are exclusively hand finished, but these pieces are sold at astronomical prices. Not sure if AP has any exclusively hand finished pieces in it‘s current line up.
@@unbalancewheel 100% agreed. Especially their dial design really gives it that soul.
@@watchartsciI agree, the level of finishing on my Patek’s is way better the my Journes, even though Rose gold is an easier material to finish 🤷🏻
I will now commit heresy. I acknowledge the high horology of FP Journe watches. However, the lack of symmetry on the dial is off putting.
Come, come M. Brie... unnecessary consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds. Think of asymmetry as 'creativity!' Take care, Bill
Extraordinary pieces from JP Journe! I remember when the chronometre Blue was under $20000 many years ago, now it’s unheard of. Enjoy your JP Journe Pieces Dr!
Sometimes we get lucky, Javi... Take care, Bill
Absolutely fabulous Bill. Not much pub fighting material among this lot.....well, maybe the quartz.
That's about it Tuna ... a few grumbles about the Elegante ... but not much. Take care, Bill
Another nice video Bill! I will continue to dream about owning an FPJ one day!
You never know Danny. One could come along when the stars are aligned just right and you get one! Take care, Bill
I am finally coming around to start my journey with the brand. Thank you for the primer on FP Journe.
Albert are you buying new or pre-owned? Take care Bill
@@watchartsci Buying new for FP Journe.
F.P. Journe makes a great watch. No argument. But the F.P. Journe is more than a watch brand, it has become a legend. There is more to the brand than just the watch, its the person. It was his passion, his salesmanship (or specific lack thereof), his personal character. F.P. Journe is how legends are made of.
You'll get no argument from me Michael! Take care, Bill
A Souverain would an incredible retirement piece one day! He creations are true masterpieces. One day Bill, one day.
Hey Big Sal, it's a great retirement watch. Just keep an eye out. Take care, Bill
I wish the AD would sell me FP Journe at retail price!
Yeah, Benny, that can be a bummer. Take care, Bill
Thank you Bill!! I really appreciate this content
My pleasure, A004! Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci bill, are these prices the 2023 prices? I'm hoping to get offered a CS soon but have been stressing over pricing, are these the accurate prices since the recent price bump?
😎, Yes indeed !! My favorite brand with VC
Tim, you're a guy who seems to appreciate FPJs! Take care, Bill
Love FP jOurne
Journe watches seem completely out of reach now and possibly forever. The premium on them is astronomical and the competition at the boutiques is almost insurmountable. It seems like the premium on the second market won't subside until they either make a lot more watches which could fulfill demand (unlikely) or they fall out of fashion with the richest watch buyers making them more available to the rest of us (also unlikely). I guess if there is enough of an economic downturn in the future, maybe then the watch market on the whole would see all premiums decrease. Until then, they are pieces to certainly admire and hold as grails, but not to own. I'm sure you hold your two Journes closely and appreciate them to their greatest extent.
Carlus, you are correct, but if we had a serious economic downturn, their prices may go up as a stable investment. Take care, Bill
That is one of the most beautiful watches with superb horology inside. You knew about the brand before many watch aficionados and obtained this piece. Congratulations Bill. Which independent brands you think will be favored in the future for their craftmanship?
I think that H. Moser et Cie is a watch company on the ascent. ... and also Lyrique! Take care, Bill
beautiful collection
Thanks Fernando! Take care, Bill
Absolutely gorgeous watches, I would like to see one in real life one day. Buying one is out of the question for me, but looking usually is for free
I can afford Free as well, Erik! I am wealthy in 'looking' 👀 Take care, Bill
Very interesting video. I’ve never looked too deeply into FP Journe., now I know why. Great watches that are little out of my reach, but very interesting. Best regards, Brian
What I bought shortly before retirement I can no longer afford, Brian. Take care, Bill
Good morning, enjoyed your video with my morning coffee.
Speaking of coffee, Deon, that's what I need! Take care, Bill
Magnifique! Merci Bill 👍
Merci Pat! Take care, Bill
Great video and excellent series on FP Journe. I'm lucky to have an Octa Lune Grey Dial and love it! Is it true that he only makes 2 black dials per series per year? amazing.
Fabulous watch brand - and video.
You should know Adam with the fabulous FPJs in your collection. 😉 Take care, Bill
I waited so long from my AD that I finally bought one from grey.. Never look back since then. The asymmetry dial design, case shape and functionality defined the brand imo.
I got both of mine on the Secondary Market ... great deals on both ... before they went to the moon YJ. Which ones did you get? Take care, Bill
Hey Bill, these watches should not be available for sale to the general public. They belong in a museum for everyone to view. If Journe personally discounted a watch 75% just for me, I still couldn't afford it. 🙃
Hey, WashFBfan! FPJ could produce a limited edition of maybe 100 Chronomètre Souverains with stainless steel cases and brass bridges & plates for under $10k and they'd be gone before they reached the retailers...but if they use the same resources to produce 100 Chronomètre Souverain in rose gold with gold bridges & plates for $40k that would fill up the orders on a waiting list... why use resources to create watches for far lower profits? Take care, Bill
I'm waiting for the resonance and the optimum. Lets see how long it takes...ive given up on the CB and thehre not taking wait lists anymore anyway. Do i really want to pay datograph money for a simple 3 hander, but with a beautiful metal, tantalum and a gorgeous blue dial? Maybe!! Haha
I got the CS in platinum instead of the CB, and it's been one of the most fun watches to own. The Resonance is just horological magic, Jake! Take care, Bill
Good morning Bill. Did you hear about the great news that Daniel Roth will get a relaunch this year with the help of La Fabrique du Temps?
Hi O Bud, no I did not hear about that. Great news ... did LVHM buy the rights? Is there some link I could learn about it? Thanks, Bill
Something to look up thanks mate.
@@Breca 😬
watchesbysjx.com/2023/02/lvmh-daniel-roth-la-fabrique-du-temps.html ... this is an interesting development...
@@watchartsci I have signed up for the journey. Thanks for link.
Ha ha, yep it's 2:30 am. G'morning Bill ☕☕ 😀 ..
Yikes! I didn't know there was a time of day between 10pm and 6am Idle! Take care, Bill
Great video. Do you know if there’s been any more price increases on the CS line above what you display in this video?
Hi Dvilcor. I think CS models are starting around $40k now. No sign of them coming down any time soon. Take care, Bill
@@watchartsci thank you Bill! I am patiently waiting for an allocation. Staff at the boutique are always nice and welcoming, even if it might take years to acquire at retail.
@@dsvillalva I have on my CS now, and they are worth the wait!
Hi Bill have you any idea what the typeface F.P. Journe uses on their dials ?
I do not Philip, but that is indeed a good question. Will see if I can find out. Take care, Bill
The nearest I can get is Clarendon. Thanks Bill.