DCS SITREP #12 2024: INS & GPS for the Viper/KOREA & VIETNAM Hints?
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- We also take a little look at the controversy between RAZBAM and ED. Congrats to the winner of the HBS F-4 Phantom II!
WAGS' Q&A • Questions for Eagle Dy...
00:00 - 00:24 - intro
00:24 - 01:40 - Overview
01:40 - 12:21 - In Depth INS/GPS Discussion for the Viper
12:21 - 22:12 - Wags' Q&A/Maps?
22:12 - 36:26 - Razbam/ED Controvery
36:26 - 37:39 - Phantom II Winner/Outro
PHH72 - Hry
A is mad at B and B is mad at A. Meanwhile, C is wondering if what he paid A & B for will still work in a week. 🤨
C has no problem with D,E,F,G,H,I,J,K and L, and thinks that B should work out a solid development plan first, before asking for a 70$ full price funding in advance.
Under one of the posts NineLine replied to a Vietnam comment with 'not yet' :( That would be the single best selling map IMO, I don't get why nobody is making it...As for Korea, we have very few assets that would work well there, unless it's a fictional scenario. I'd rather have a cold war central Europe
Vietnam needs destructible trees, and that seems to be a major challenge for their legacy engine
@@dcs-web-editor I'd be happy without those. Then ED could add them later if and when the engine is ready. I just hope they won't release it without any of the bases in Thailand
People usually want what they don`t have right now. Something tells me that once Vietnam map would be released, then half of players would complain that it is just jungle, or trees everywhere, another green map, or all these trees cause stutter, Frames Per Second counters would jump on bandwagon, too. If anyone want to make scenarios on large scale woodland with mountains and a sea on one side, then Caucasus, South Pacific or Kola can supplement that until Vietnam is released ,,in the futureeeee,,😀
@@ReflectedSimulations I'd be totally happy with a non-destructible Nam map and even Caucasus style trees.
When you create your Vietnam campaigns, I will be first in line to sign up ! Have all your campaigns and they are excellent 😁🤘
Fair comments. I am sorry to hear about the "dispute" between ED and Razbam. I think that, in the end, both partys need the other. As a keen AV8 Harrier flyer I will take faith in the knowledge that niether side wants this, and that no one wants to disappoint this great comunity (market?) that we are a part of. Every relationship is a test and a challenge, and it doesn't always go right. Just know that everyone will work thier hardest to get things back to some sort of balance for the benefit of us all.
We'll just have to keep being patient........
Nah, at the end of the day, ED has a lot of stuff in the pipeline they don't need Razbam. Where as Razbam unless they start developing for MSFS or IL-2, very much need ED.
Thanks PHH. I sure hope this comes out well for everyone!
I'd dump a pile of cash on a Korea map if it was centered on the Yellow Sea and included both Koreas, a chunk of Japan on the edge, and that Chinese peninsula up to about Weifang airbase. That would have infinite potential for scenario development. Though I imagine it'd probably be period specific depending on when the globe will be ready. Either way though, as someone who studies the Pacific region, I'd really like to be able to fly over there.
I will say on the drama, since Razbam did include Heatblur then that means either they are bluffing, which I expect no reaction from Heatblur, or the complaint is legitimate, in which case I expect Heatblur to agree with the statements. Until either of these scenarios, or anything else substantial occurs, I'm just going to take a wait and see approach.
Thank you for givivg us this week's sitrep Prickly.
An honest apology can do wonders - peace 🕊️ out
I think Vietnam is a great candidate for the seperate purchases concept they're doing in Afghanistan. The flying in North and South were very different mission profiles with very different threats.
Wouldn't missions be crossing the North/South border? Phantoms taking off from the South and crossing into the North and Mig's from the North to South?
What a coincidence! I just started reading a book on the HMS Wager. 😅
Anyone else wonder if this "non payment issue" is why heatbur did presales through their own website?... also made me wonder if third parties know actual sales volume from ED😬
Also, is this why release of the F4 was delayed? We were just given a generic excuse at the time, but is this the real reason? They not being paid also?
@@TheKurgen nah I don't think this is the cause of the delay.. they mentioned very specifics on why there is a delay so not likely... plus they were proactive and did pre-sale on their own website so they would only need to pay ED their cut so we all get our "keys"
Listening to u explain the ins, extremely complicated, but i do feel their time could be way better spent making stuff people want instead of over engineering stuff like this, when 99% of ppl just jam it in gps, and most missions are an hour or less anyway.
10000000000000%
Agreed! i understand it's a sim but this type of stuff can be added at the end of development honestly.
I hope they sort this out, as the M2000 is my absolute jam
EDs response was very unsatisfactory, some of RBs most experienced devs, including the frenchie which did the most significant part on the M2k rework are in the process of leaving or have already done so. ED, as far as i know does not have the source code for these modules or have a pre-rework version of the code so if RB was to jump ship entirely you can fully expect their modules to go down the hawk path. Many of the current and previous RB devs have voiced that they do not wish to cooperate with ED on further modules, so, super tucano aswell as the flogger are likely down the drain at this point. And all because of some manchilds 9million dollar ww2 fighter collection. I also doubt they would hand over the code post breakup out of spite, i mean, they have allegedly not been paid for almost 1.5 years.
Thanks for the Razbam info, now I know why no Razbam stuff has been in the sales. As I have Mig19 and Harrier, that may end up useless until this is resolved, no money will be spent on this game by me. This is an unacceptable situation for anyone who has bought Razbam modules, and what is happening may be breaking EU consumer law.
Thank you, your channel is my go to place for objective news on this game.
I'm hearing the compromise is that RAZBAM will continue to support the existing modules, but won't be producing new ones until they've ratified with ED.
Great update video, and it's a shame as I think both ED and Razban have both turned a corner over the last few years, and things like pay are always going to be techy and needs resolving. But you need to see/ understand what the argument is on both sides before supporting one or the other.. However, as an ED DCS consumer, it's a concern where it leaves the beloved AV8B Harrier, my new favourite F-15E and the Atlantic Map, all which are very good and none wants to see what happens in the past with the T1 Hawk.
Let's hope both sides resolve there problems quick and if it helps ED pay their 3rd parties, ED seem keep forgetting about DCS Steam users, missing g us out from all the pre order stages, which may be how Steam is ran and how Steam protect their own users. But there are more people & cash within the DCS Steam community.....
Hi, electronic engineer here. So actually the GPS/INS feature updates is not important at all from perspective of simulation enjoyment vs time spent. First, the precision of military GPS is not affected by high velocities (this is simple doppler shift in signal processing, you even have this in your customers GPS implemented). The Kalman filter is a basic algorithm! It is so basic that I have shivers when the author of the material mentions this as "complicated". You learn this in the first class of signal processing.
So summarizing as long as you have GPS the total error is below a couple of meters. This is a measurement error. It does not matter for plane navigation as this error does not accumulate!
Now ... Ehy this improvement a waste of ED time? Basically there is no API for GPS jamming!
No one will use those INS features as in most servers we have GPS!
At the same time, heat seeking missiles see through clouds and mist. Just saying... They waste time on features the majority of us will not use.
Thanks for the input.
I wonder what Wags had in mind when he posted the error world be "no more than 40 meters" with GPS.
When a situation arises between ED and 3rd parties like this brings to light that question, what do we really own ! Hope we don't lose any developers bit if we did what happens to the content we have purchased ! More concerning having to login for ED's content what would happen to all our content if ED no longer existed !
Limited license agreement
When people start questioning the reliability of developers and the platform itself, it's time to pack bags. I suspect that Heat-blur sees this. They made F14 for MFS which was received very well and I bet more airplanes are coming to that platform. They are an outstanding developer and look strategically.
Re: the Razbam/Ed situation - what a mess. Razbam's key devs seem to be in full mutiny, so even if there is an amicable solution between ED/Razbam's respective management - Razbam may well be toast anyways. No devs = no products. RIP to the MiG-23. Redfor is in deep mourning. :( :( :(
Calm down man. That’s just pessimistic speculation
@@wokkus5610 No need to be condescending. If you've got info to suggest things aren't so dire, share it.
@@madaxe606you’re the one who made a ridiculous claim. Show some evidence that supports the idea that Razbam is about to collapse
@@catfunt5583Are you not aware of M2M, Galinette etc saying they're done?
Some devs came out about this, some more vocal than others. Galinette kept quiet, said he is a break. CaptSmiley, the FM dev, said somethings in reddit and then that he is through with ED. And Metal2Mesh has been very vocal about it all, as far as tweeting a picture of him deleting DCS developer files. Things must be very sour in the backstage.
Very worrying.
Honestly I can't think of a reason why Razbam would slander ED for no reason. If someone from Razbam claims they haven't been paid for the sales from the F-15E for month I tend to believe it.
EDs defence that Razbam violated some unknown clause is rather weak when you withhold the entire payment.
Sure you need some leverage to get your partners to comply with their contractual obligations but letting them starve at arms length surly ain't the solution.
The nod at Heatblur is probably related to the F-14 and not the F-4. I read from someone (hear say) that Heatblur had similar problems when the F-14 released.
If there's a reason to speak out like that, then why didnt Razbam take to court themselves?
They claimed that ED doesnt want to, well... why shouldnt razbam want to?
The rumor is Razbam gave ED's "IP" to Ecuadorian Air Force without EDs permission. If true, that isn't "rather weak" and at this point will likely end up in court.
@@sandwich5344 because it's throwing money down the drain, and you don't get rich from DCS
I and some people speculate that leveraging the community against ED in order to pressure them was a much better move in the eyes of RAZBAM
One of the best comments I've seen regarding this situation. And very close to the truth.
So the question begs , is it better to order the F4 through Heatblur or ED ?
I don’t understand why Vietnam and Korea maps is news ED has literally said “yes we are going to do them” about a year ago. Not an official announcement but they said they realize with the modules in the works those maps are needed.
Korea map would be amazing
Vietnam map would be more amazing
What is the beef between Razbam and DCS?
Hi Pricklyhedgehog72
Can you tell me the name of the music played in the background? Thx
Let me get back to you later today
"Synthwave Background' by Boxbeats
Well Razbam Ron made a statement on their discord this morning saying that they are in discussions with ED. And to not act out towards anyone.
Razbam Vs ED
From the last news, Razbam didn’t receive any payment from ED since F-15E release (which was probably a huge success within DCS scale).
No payment for any of their module (not just F-15E) and map !!!
Just try to imagine the amount of work which went into F-15E and the quick following improvements.
I think you read it wrong. It was only some Razbam dev who claimed he didn't get paid, in discord/reddit, which is an issue with their boss (Razbam CEO) and not ED. If you look what the CEO actually said, there is nothing about this, and just today confirmed things will go on. Think about how ridiculous it sounds, would you quit a job, when the company you work at, waits for payment from a business partner?
Sigh... still waiting for a VR fix for the Quest 3 and the v63 update that broke DCS for VR. Been waiting and waiting. The explanation from ED has been murky to non-existent. All ED will say is they could not release a hotfix, so it's been over a month since I've been able to fly with my VR setup.
If you have the option, Virtual Desktop works pretty well. I saw a thread on Reddit with the folder contents needed to restore Oculus link software to V62.
VirtualDesktop is worth the $25. I’ve had no issues with it since switching. Meta App can go to hell it’s awful
@@MaddogMike-444 Virtual desktop works much better than the standard Meta Air Link anyways. I've had no issue at all playing in dcs on my quest 3.
Idk how others feel about ins systems in dcs but do others feel that they are just reporting info on how they work irl with the precise technology that these system use while in game just lowering or removing ins drift cause it’s just easier…
Razbam : Where's our money? We've been waiting forever.
ED: Two weeks
As an avionics nerd, as awesome as INS/GPS is the real MVP are the folks that send up timing corrections to the GPS satellites (sure now it is automated). Big part of how GPS works is time is sync’ed up to everyone and the satellites clocks due to their height/speed tick differently to ours on the ground/flight. So if special/general relativity wasn’t taken into account. The accumulative error would render the system not usable. Just something very cool and measurable.
Reference the Kiowa: “we’re getting close”. We are never getting close. We’ve been getting close to the F-4 since Q3 2023 when we were told it would be a Q4 release. We’ve been getting close to Kola for 6 months and I’m sure it will be another 6 months at least. I’ve been waiting for the A-7 since it was first announced like 3 years ago; and we are no closer. So when ED (or any developer) indicates they are “getting close”, you can guarn-damn-tee it will be another year after 3-4 delays. I mean, EVERY module gets delayed multiple times. It just gets frustrating.
Same with the Dynamic campaign or how about the new Flaming Cliffs 3 type module we were told about 4 or more years ago?
Thats why I quit DCS. Too much hype and nothing to show for it. After flying around in MFS2020 I jumped into DCS and it looked and felt like a damn dinosaur. And they are asking $80 for a single module when you can get MFS2020 with far superior flight engine, terrain and weather system. DCS will linger on until (eventually) new platform will pop out and will kill DCS overnight. Those who spent $$$ on DCS products will linger on lying to themselves and justifying $$$ wasted.
Realism is great but would be a bit annoying if the F-16 INS loads the CPU more (ie worse VR perf) just to make it more of hassle to manage. The most important realism is VR perf imo.
Honestly ED deserved to get slammed for the Q&A video, the whole 10 questions came down to 3 really with lots of repeat questions and very vague answers which no one wanted, it was a really low point in Wags video content I thought and not very well done at all.
wasnt that Q&A just about peformance? i was under the impression they will be doing more for diferent topics
I found most of them were out dated, as the stuff is already in the game. If they wana do the q&a ask the questions and do answers in same 48hr period, between update cycles, not 3 months down track imo
Damage control gaslighting about the drama...
The are doing more videos about more topics. It sounds like you're more disappointed that people didn't ask better questions, if that's the case than you should ask a better question.
@@ivaniuk123 My disappointment was he concentrated on 10 questions, those 10 questions were really 3 if you examined them closely, 7 were nearly the same and his answers were really basic and about stuff that's been in DCS nearly 3-6 months.
You would have needed to be living under a rock not to have known questions answered were all ready in the game.
This week's newsletter was bizarre to me. They just copied lines form Wikipedia to fill up the contents. 🤨
We as players should stick to playing and as Prickly said, not take any sides as we don`t know details. Let`s just play the game and not get involved too much into development and business politics. This is between ED and Razbam. There is enough of politics going on during the day in real world. DCS in the evening helps us to refocus on pleasurable part of life.
Putting all my purchases on hold until ED/Razbam situation is resolved. Seems that ED is not acting like a fair player. Smart business sense would be for ED to take care of its developers.
Lets wait till the fog has settled.
With these contracts that nobody has public insights on you'll never know what pops up.
For all anyone knows, both may be acting shady
better bet is to not choose sides. you don't know the terms of their contract. Especially when Heatblur said they were good.
If RAZBAM's employees would stop posting childish stunts, and the adults could sit down and figure this out, it would benefit everyone.
As long as either ED or RAZBAM don't go Woke there's still hope.
Good video, but your view of ‘Heatblur does not like to hype’ made me laugh out loud.
I know all the delays were most likely unforeseen for them, and the did expect to have it finished much earlier. But if anything, it feels like DCS is on a release halt from anyone until the F4 has dropped. Due to the delays etc Heatblur created a situation in which players have been actively expecting a release ‘next month’ for over a year. And I often feel like it hurts the entire game and other developers because they can’t outhype the F4 in many cases.
True for the Phantom perhaps, but I was thinking more historically.
@@Pricklyhedgehog72 fair enough
Can't we all just get along?....
I told you we'll transfer the money in two weeks, after the next patch!
Korea would be nice, but Vietnam is the map we really need.
Screw razeBam I'm still waiting on the harrier 2 radar ! I say ED shouldn't pay them for the f15 until they give us what was promised.
Best bet now is a community mod, think along the lines of the 18E/F/G piggy backing of of the C.
Personally I want the FRS.1 but that ain't happening...
Glad I didn’t buy f15. If this doesn’t get sorted quick it’s uncomfortable. But it’s not like there are other flight sims to move to. Hopefully the devs act like adults and not the usual forum snarling babies route.
"highly skilled and professional developers"
Lol. Lmfao. If metal2mesh's behavior over the last couple days is what you mean by professional developers, then you just need to fucking stop Ron.that dude hurt razbam's reputation more over the last 48 hours than Nick Grey or ED ever could 🤣
was kinda ridiculous how they hated against the product they want to make money with (DCS), and how they stirred up the community. And then their ragequit, that's a lifetime ban on anything "early access", entirely destroyed any trust. better for them to stay anonymous in their further careers... who wants a "model and texture maker" spouting out your business internals in public?
ED and razbam are fighting it out on the backs of their customers (which are always "oh so important" for them when there is the possibility for a PR heavy video or forum entry). This shows their mindset.
Hopelessly old engine and the maps are just a pile of dogshit performance wise. How hard can it be to make a map that runs at a minimum cost? Come on lazy developers.
Razbam are being a.holes. The community has paid for the full module not a half arsed module. And who gets ripped off, the community. Just like the hawk. Still waiting for my refund.
Wrong. It's not RB who are in charge of your refund but rather ED. Maybe things like that is exactly the reason why RB are so pissed off with ED.
@@boggy8557 you're technically right, ED would be responsible for refund probably. but let's not forget common sense - you have a developer that's fine with asking 70$ full price in advance early access, it's their job to finish it no questions asked. they are also responsible to figure out a proper plan and deal. EA should be a privilege which Razbam lost. it's ridiculous to defend shady early access developers, what about next time they finish their product first before they get ANY money, like things used to be in the past.
@@fihalhohi5353 fair point
If they aren't getting paid from ED you can't expect them to work for free
@@sageg58 devs are getting paid by their bosses not by ED. razbam CEO is responsible for doing business with ED, and for paying his devs. you have a weird imagination of how jobs and contracts work