DCS SITREP #19 2024: PolyChop's Kiowa Lands, Huge Updates for the Phantom II, RAZBAM Rhetoric
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- The Kiowa is amazing, so is the Phantom II, I share some prickly thoughts.
00:00 - 00:24 - Intro
00:24 - 01:05 - Overview
01:05 - 11:21 - Kiowa Warrior Launch
11:21 - 24:51 - Huge Phantom II Changelog
24:51 - 26:46 - OctopusG La-7
26:46 - 31:15 - D-Day Homage
31:15 - 40:10 -RAZBAM Rhetoric
40:10 - 41:45 - Outro
PHH72 - Hry
The Kiowa is absolutely amazing. Polychop knocked it out of the park with this one. A big Thank You!
RAZBAM situation has killed all my enthusiasm for DCS. I appreciate the more measured takes such as yours and Enigma's on the situation.
I'm glad you pointed out Spud's content, it's a shame how broadly speculative it is, nevermind the clickbait and "oh i don't wanna make this video but I had to" type of shit
Just saying I hate how spud dose his content
It's blatantly obvious that he's only here for clicks and cash. It's blatant to the point that it's a little bit repulsive.
@@heyviper1238 I agree man, he only looked like he wanted to cash out some bucks outta this situation
The constant struggle to block Spud content from my CZcams feed is real. Loathsome
Kiowa is becoming my best module. The openness of the cockpit is highly imerssive. You can hear the launches, the explosions, everything.
awesome comments on the RAZBAM situation to be honest, going by what's known, pointing out that there are alot of unknowns and there are lots of speculation, really nice.
People who know Razban for a longer period of time and are not afflicted by a begging fanboy mentality don't need to speculate. And ED has now reaped what they have sown. Unfortunately, once again at the expense of the customers. Already with the scandals surrounding the Harrier, they swept everything under the carpet. Back then, FSX people were already warning against this developer. Well, hopefully it has now come to an end once and for all
@@cornelius2993 RAZBAM, while I wasn't present at the time in DCS or FSX to attest to the quality or controversies related to their module history, I do know that they have gone through a load of changes. I can't recall specifically what, but the team changed, and so did their objectives for module development. Taking RAZBAM's initial products as an example, like the M-2000C: initially, there were complaints about an inaccurate flight model (FM), the avionics suite wasn't so detailed, and most subsystems were simplified, the same with the radar (iirc, don't quote me on this). But now it possesses one of the best, most detailed radar models in the game, as well as more accurate avionics and FM. It's apparently not buggy except post ED vs RAZBAM shitshow.
So, if RAZBAM has undergone this many changes, not only module-wise and staff-wise but also in their goals, why bring it up as if it was relevant to the whole ordeal? The issue was accusations of IP theft by ED towards RAZBAM, which, mind you, ED is doing in front of your face by selling RAZBAM's IP for no return to (not paying) RAZBAM.
@@cornelius2993Well first:
RAZBAM, while I wasn't present at the time in DCS or FSX to attest to the quality or controversies related to their module history, I do know that they have undergone significant changes. The team and their objectives for module development have evolved over time. If I'm correct by assuming that these controversies dating back to FSX correlate to module quality, I'll be taking RAZBAM's initial products in DCS as an example of how RAZBAM has improved module quality/simulation wise-the M-2000C: initially, there were complaints about an inaccurate flight model (FM), a simplified avionics suite, and radar. However, after changes in the company, the M-2000C now features one of the most detailed radar models in the game, along with more accurate avionics and FM. It’s reportedly not buggy except for issues that arose post the ED vs RAZBAM controversy.
Given RAZBAM's improvements , it's not entirely relevant to bring up their past to critisize their present and correlate it to this whole ordeal. The current shitshow dispute resolves around accusations of IP theft made by Eagle Dynamics SA against RAZBAM Simulations LLC, ED is claiming that RAZBAM stole their IP, a claim which RAZBAM developer, M2M, correlates to their EMB-314 Super Tucano module developed for FAE pilots to train with in MCS (also I wanna note that this is completely unrelated to DCS, not only that but it is managed by a different company)
also a remark about how contradicting ED is, "as we have mentioned before RAZBAM still have the tools and access they need to update their repositories if they wish to" -BigNewy, two things abso fucking lutely wrong with this statement, 1. if I was ED and I suspect RAZBAM of stealing my IP, the first thing I would do is revoke any access to my IP from RAZBAM, action which is contradicted here, 2. this is essentially saying that "they have all the tools they need, but they're so bad and selfish that they don’t want to work uncompensated."
@@nero995 The Problems where not about quality. There were great efforts of the community to support Razban at the early stages of mirage and especially Harrier developement. And there were really astonishing knowledgeable people around, who gladly helped out. It could have been all such a great example of collaboration between developer and the community. But people slowly realized Razban had different goals.
What caused all problems was their behaviour. Trickery with bugfixing, hiding away on Discord (where they could ban anyone uncomfortable = Razban), breaking promise after promise and even lying. Calling everyone a hater who wouldn't stop pointing out these problems. And there were even some public freakouts by the CEO and also the community manager. It went even so far, that the CEo threatened one user personally. At the same time the community was really patient.
Maybe they simply didn't had the capacities, but they handled that in a catastrophic, morally very questionable way, which tells ALOT who you're dealing with.
And again: Especially The "Sneaky-Harrier- out-of-EA-to-work-on-the-F15-to-again-break-no-promise-Scandal" created a huge backlash. ED covered all this and put the fire out with explosives. Many people left DCS at that time, because this was really shocking and disappointing of ED. And whatever the dispute between these 2 now is - that ED went so far to stop payments and Razban then went public, crying for help speaks volumes.
Salute and respect for all who give their lives for us to live free and ''peaceful''
Well said Prickly!
Have always enjoyed your content and as an aside, it’s cool to hear an Southern Hemisphere/ANZAC perspective.
Keep up the great work!!
I think with Enigma, his point was we don't know the status of these modules because we're waiting on developments, and they're already amassing issues. Meanwhile, they continue to be sold while their fate is uncertain and are aging. When consulting the anonymous devs, I also agree with what was said. This looks awful on us, and it's really bad for flight sim as a whole, especially since there was hardware products pushed to market for these modules. Overall, I think he had some legitimate criticisms.
With Spud tho, I have the exact opposite opinion. People are waiting for a definitive statement on the situation, and that title was made to exploit that. Fine, he's just going to assume the worst and things won't work out. That's okay, that's his decision, and we all have lives to live. But the title doesn't give that context, it states it as fact when people are looking for information. Meanwhile, the video itself offered literally nothing to the conversation, at all. It was just a complete waste of time.
@Pricklyhedgehog72 I think you are getting caught up in the details and not realizing the bigger point. I was very careful in what I said and what ultimately the situation that I laid out requires, not your trust, but your understanding.
The way you opened the Razbam section is basically what I have already said, these modules are on borrowed time, they need to be maintained or they are going to get "borked" as you said. We are both validated by what the 3rd party module maker said. Razbam has to be present to maintain the modules, ED has already confirmed they do not have the source code. This is obvious to everyone but I included the quote because a lot of players don't already realize this.
The odd thing is that after establishing the same point I did, you immediately went into the weeds and gave the Razbam talking points of the issue. Odd because you seem to have try to position this video as something that would not get bogged down into the details but that is exactly what you did. In general, I would caution youtubers from getting stuck into the muck because not everything is public.
Ultimately what I wanted to focus on, is not the fight, but the implications of it. There are modules that are withering away and we are all figuring out how to deal with them, for example different servers are doing different things (I covered this). All while this is happening, all while the fate of these modules are up in the air, the module is for sale.
That is unreasonable to me and ED should get flak for it. Unless they are on the cusp of an agreement, it does not seem reasonable to me that they can continue to sell these modules or at least not give a disclaimer on the store page. People are getting burned and this is going to have a bad taste lingering around.
Outside of that I agree with @aviationrambler It is not surprising Spud to make a mess of the situation. The man is incapable of an original thought and is the most egregious clickbait poster.
@@Enigma89 add the Kiowa to the Cold War server pls 🥺
Thank you for your true words at the end about the razbam / ED topic. We should all be patient and wait for them to resolve it and not start speculating and creating more rumors about the whole topic.
My Harrier is still working as it should. All I can do is wait………
Thank you Prickly.
good words on the RAZBAM "situation" .
Got the feeling for the last 2 days some youtubers are just looking for the most distopian announcement/ thumbnail to get clicks.
Slow news week without some drama...
The Kiowa is everything i wanted it to be, along with flying the F4 on Cold war servers, i honestly havent had this much fun with DCS in a long time!
side note, happy you called out... ''PotatoTit'' for his stupid clickbait video
If you go on the DCS forums and find the F15 Razbam discussion you will see a statement recently by Nineline that if you are concerned about your F15 not getting completed, they will credit your purchase in full for another module. They would rather you wait for a resolution but they WILL credit you if you are concerned. He also said if the situation ends up NOT being resolved down the line, they will still offer credits so no need to panic now. It appears customers can relax about their investment at least.
As for the Kiowa, it’s now my favourite helicopter. Great job Polychop.
Good info.
@@Pricklyhedgehog72 “Razbam situation what is the status” is the thread. Cheers!
It's good for those who already purchased the modules but I still think they should be putting some kind of disclaimer or hiding these modules for purchase until the situation is resolved. If they are really that confident that the issue can be resolved, at least a joint statement between the two parties would go a LONG way for the customers/potential customers.
We should remain calm but strong and just demand, as you said, settle your case so we can move forward as a community. Both sides have considered the community, i.e. us, important until now. Well, now we'll see what it really means.
100% dude
100% with you on that situation. It is extremely strange to say something about the future of Razbam studios having zero information on the subject.
Love the Kiowa module, well done to Polychop
Its freaking awesome
MMS is so shitty that it makes it even better to play lmao
Very nicely put re Raz & ED.
I'll also mention that the recent Mirage issues came from changes that were accidentally pushed, and they've been reverted since then. It didn't come from it "degrading" which is the popular narrative now. It takes a while for mostly complete modules to get much in the way of issues. If things truly go south I'd imagine they'll offer refunds for the other RB modules that are somewhat recently purchased like they're doing for the Mudhen already.
well said. love your work keep it up!
The razbam modules development its officially stop like 2 months ago but still on sale on DCS home page. ED should suspend the sales too, that looks more commercially responsible.
Prickly...good to see you use the swear words for the right occasion. Well said!
Very good comment. I also think that, as unpleasant as it is, we simply have to wait for clarification. And clarification will come, because all parties have too much to lose. Patience is a currency that is unfortunately becoming increasingly rare nowadays. It's a shame that drama always gets too much attention, while reason often falls short.
Great point!
Helicopters are notoriously difficult to learn, whatever you do on any one control requires some input on all the other axis, if that’s the trouble that people are having, then there is nothing wrong with the flight model.
I see on Discord they are talking about a forthcoming update to the South Atlantic map....so there is hope. I got a refund for the f-15e, and did put in the request -that if it still going to be updated, disregard request....few days later got the offer of a refund. If it all works out, as I hope it does, I will keep that in the account to re-purchase in the future. We shall have to just wait and see.....as we always have to do in life.
Map is a different team of developers.
i express frustration through demands of ice cream.
Love the kiowa now great job by the developers. I was initially disappointed in the 3d modelling of the outside skins of the helo but figured my gamma was to high. So I turned it down below 2 and it looks really good now.
Phantom, well what can I say, I have wanted to fly a jet like this for years and I'm not disappointed.
Razbam and Ed drama? I can't be bothered with their drama, all other third party developers and creators seem to be ok with Ed so don't know what the problem is with razbam.
I think the frustration here between Razbam and ED is exacerbated by either party not putting out any statements about progress or non progress moving forward ! Even a statement that they are still committed to a resolution ! The silence from both parties is of course going to draw speculation !
There has been statements they are both committed to a resolution. Stating otherwise is inflammatory
@@sundog8775 My apologies ! Can you plz point out some recent statements to this effect as I am not aware of recent statements by either parties 😊🤙
instant buy for me❤
That thing is a dream to fly in VR! I've only had time for an hours worth, so far, but wow! Polychop knocked it out of the ballpark!!!
Casmo had me cracking up when he said..."If you fly it like a UFO it will do things it probably shouldn’t." 😂 I say, stop trying to fly it like Airwolf lol.
As for that clickbait video, I couldn't agree with you more! You hit the nail on the head when it comes to how we should handle this.
That shit video the dude (spud) posted was tasteless and very low class, to say the least! It was the final straw for me with that clown....unsubbed. 🙄
Like I posted on his video before I left....... Notso's F-15E videos are still up, that's all that matters. 🤣 (the man who actually flies the damn thing in combat!)
Someone Please Help!? I can't seem to trim the aircraft. First off, In the special tab I have tried the different trim styles. Instant, Fade in/ Fade out, None and the other I don't recall at the moment.
I bring up the Cyclic Input mapping via CTRL + Enter. I have SCAS on and Force Trim enabled yet I can not Trim the aircraft. Cyclic mapping shows that I initiate the trim for hands off forward flight. Gray Input Que shows that Trim release gets set where desired yet NO effect on the bird. My spring joystick returns to center as the Red Que follows the joystick to center and the OH58 pitches up. The gray que stays where I want but there is no actual trim happening. What else am I missing?? I am well versed with the AH-64 and trimming is not an Issue there as I have instant trim enabled and It works. I understand FFB and how to compensate for a spring Joystick however I get no response to trimming in the OH58
make sure you disable force feedback option in the misc section iirc
@aleph-zero5616 Big Thank you for the response and pointing me in the right direction. FFB was checked in the other options menu. Just had an awesome flight!
For me the big thing about the RAZBAM/ED stuff is that shit has been stired up and noone is talking about anything. Meanwhile we see the Modules slowly dying out of neglect. It is fully understandable that customers who cant fly there fav. jets anymore due to some bugs that are not beeing resolved nor worked while both parties share NO information on whats happening what the problem is or what the current state of negotiations is are going on a rant and start shooting at whoever they think is at fault. Im hearing stuff like ED has a godcomplex and isnt paying 3rd parties up to people calling RAZBAM razscam because they believe they do not uphold on there promises.
For me i do not understand why ED is so hush over such a long time now with small comments beeing made from individuals of each partie pushing responsibility to the other.
Why is there a problem and how and by now even when do they expect to fix it is my question.
I agree and I like the assertive take PHH.
I am not that deep into DCS, but before the spat Razbam had a relatively poor reputation, so I don't get why many take their side. In any case I am grateful that DCS exists, I have seen many games people were overtly critical about and not realizing that it is a passion project and if they fail for whatever reason, there may be no one to replace them - like Elite Dangerous and Michael Brookes.
Razbam's poor reputation was based solely on "plane not good enough at release". That's it. They have never mistreated their customers, they have never attempted to defraud anyone, nothing. Just "modules incomplete". And then Razbam put in the effort to finish and improve their modules. ED modules release in just as bad, if not worse state than Razbam modules, and have taken just as long or longer to be fixed, and ended up in just as bad or worse state when "finished".
On the other hand, there are numerous credible reports over the course of many years, from many different leakers and 3rd party official statements, that ED have attempted to defraud them of their intellectual property (VEAO, Razbam), have failed to pay the 3rd party developers in accordance with their contracts (Heatblur, Razbam), bully, mistreat, and strongarm their third party developers (Razbam, ASC), and bully and ignore their customers (longstanding bugs gaslit as "correct as it", such as the almost-decade-long F-86 and F-5E gunsight bugs). And ED have been slow in completing their modules and and the DCS core, just as Razbam was allegedly "too slow" in fixing their modules.
I'm not seeing any legitimate arguments to believe that any prior conduct justifies assuming Razbam is in the wrong here.
@@bronco5334 Those are all pretty inflammatory accusations you're making. There's a thin line between passion and fervor. I've been a Razbam customer since 2008 (IIRC), about the same time I purchased my first ED products. Neither have always had a great reputation. I think they've both done a great job on their DCS modules, and the product is thriving now thanks to all developers. If we only take in the 'official public statements' by both parties, I think we can take what they both say at face value. Obviously there has been a misstep by Razbam (unintentional I'm sure), and both parties are currently working to remedy the situation. I would recommend ignoring all that you hear on discord chats and forums; it all seems to be hyperbole and partisan attacks anyway. It really is a shame that so many youtubers have decided to pour gasoline on this fire; don't buy into the hate. Peace out
A great video mate I am beginning to hate Spudknocker videos so many clickbait videos. For you keep up the great work
I too remain optimistic about the ed raxbam situation. There is absolutely nothing that even hints at this being an unresolvable "doomsday" problem.
Im incredibly dissapointed in the amount of reddit posts i see and even my own friends who have this quickly lost faith and are pulling refunds. Which will only make the blow of paying razbam and potentially settling in court even harder on the company that maintains the entire game, not just the mirage, harrier, farmer and strike eagle.
In my mind if this resolves poorly or nothing changes in a year or so then that is the time to request an out. Not barely two months after it kicked off publicly. Legal trouble takes a long time to fix, it doesnt just magically go away.
I choose to look at the bright side, my second favorite helicopter came out the other day. The mirage 2000 can wait for a bit.
That's one of my concerns, that we're fueling a refund rush without being fully informed. If it all goes belly up with RB, then sure. Personally I'd rather have store credit so I can purchase something else down the line, but we haven't quite reached the point where I feel the need to demand a refund.
@@Pricklyhedgehog72 100% this is destructive behavior based on unfounded claims.
I was disappointed but not all that surprised when enigmas video released. And I'm only shocked it took spudknocker as long as it did to tip his bowl into the cash grab bucket.
But it's basically just content creators rage baiting people, and the people seemingly aren't smart enough to see that.
Thank you for your cool head and well worded break down, it's exactly what's needed right now.
Prickly, I noticed your Kiowa cockpit was very 'steady' whereas mine has some annoying flickering with the white part of the panel, Could you put up your video settings? No problem if you do not wish to
You're probably looking at footage that was filmed in the replay, so the pilot's head is rock solid. I'll try remember to post some pics of my settings. To be fair they're still not settled as I battle with the VR settings.
From a fellow Antipodean it is nice to find some balanced sentiment on YT from this part of the world.
This culture of sensationalist exploitation in the electronic media is ludicrous and degrading both to those who who promote it, and to those that feed on it. Congratulations on maintaining the higher ground when others have chosen the easiest path.
Shouldn't be Summer Sale already? :D
27:50 Canadians 😉
On the ED/Razbam thing, Enigma is flaming up ED recently (Halfghanistan video, F4e delay video etc). I don't know what happened between him and ED, and don't get me wrong, he has done amazing things for DCS, but I think he's now using his "fame" to put gasoline on the fire... I don't understand what's the point here.
Spud just wanted views. Bad move.
Like you' ve said, we have absolutely no clue on what's going on, so we should wait and see. I'm sure ED and Razbam are perfectly aware that they have nothing to gain at breaking their relationship.
Ligma just always said what he thinks, I think one of the strengths of his channel is that he isn't really beholden to ED or third party devs and so you get a more honest opinion (which is of course his opinion and you can disagree).
@@parab225 OK it's his opinion, I respect that, but lately, and in numerous case (Halfghanistan for example), he was totally wrong, and have contributed to pass false information.
But again I have a great respect for the server he has created, and I am (was?) a big fan of his content. But lately, It feel like he really want to lead a charge against ED.
@@TOMCATnbr idk what he was wrong about Thirdghanitsan? Making jokes about ED splitting up maps, the state of Kola, or F-4 release delays isn't disinformation.
Not everyone needs to be a hype man for every module.
Great video, from my point of view, I have Harrier and Mig19, both now have new issues. I cannot afford new modules if these stop working, so at that point goodbye DCS. If ED is incapable of finding a resolution , and incapable of communicating with the community, then I am incapable of spending any money on anything to do with this shambles. A pity, DCS was coming alive.
The Razbam situation is generating strong feelings for sure but after several months and now serious problems creeping up - the modules should really be pulled from the store until this is resolved.
Surely we don’t know what the ultimate solution is going to be - but to keep collecting money on modules that have even a 1% chance of being dead is just a bad look for ED.
Pulling the modules might be a breach of contract that ED might not want to do, also fanning the flames in the dispute. This is to underline what PHH said - we have not enough information to form conclusions.
@@trevorphilips2090 The standard-form DCS contract explicitly grant ED sole right to determine when the modules start going on sale, and when they are removed from sale. Razbam devs have stated that their contract is not significantly different from the leaked standard-form one.
The ED/Razbam controversy is bad/sad on so many levels. Perhaps worst of all is our vulnerability is now revealed. Our prized/expensive aircraft, DLC campaigns and maps can any or all go "poof" on some future morning - and we are absolutely beholden and powerless to do anything about it. It may never happen.... but the REALITY is this: it has put a damper on my desire for the newest/latest from DCS... spending (lots) of money for something that I don't control. It's one thing to loose a single game, that happens everyday we all know. It's quite another loose such a significant investment in time and money. Amen.
This!
I think whatever happens between ED and RZ later, nobody should buy any razbam modules right now, and there should be a warning on the store about the situation.
What they are saying about the eagle and razbam being dead, is that AS THINGS CURRENTLY STAND razbam is not working on their products, they are not supporting anything, so nobody should be buying their modules UNTIL THIS IS RESOLVED
Except "they" also said, oh my God, they're done, and if that happens ED and DCS are dead too. And that naturally boiled over into, quick abandon the franchise get your RB refunds now...flee for your lives.
@@Pricklyhedgehog72 I've watched both Enigma's and Spudknocker's videos and neither of them said ED or DCS is dead, nor did they suggest to refund the Razbam products. They said they were no longer going to promote the products while their future was so uncertain (short term future especially considering they havent been getting worked on) I know Spud was alot more pessimistic sounding, but no one was calling for refunds, we're all just disappointed Razbam would be so willing to embarrass the sim like this. thx for the reply I've been a long time fan
@konk8429 the title alone "what happens when it's already over?" You don't think that sets the tone for ppl watching and interpreting what's happening?
@Pricklyhedgehog72 to be fair, as things currently stand with razbam refusing to work on their products, things for them are over until proven otherwise
@konk8429 possibly, but i think it's a leap to make that conclusion just because the g limiter switch isn't working on the Mirage.
Fartknocker never fails to dissapoint 😅😅
"zero fucking evidence" that's the bluntest "stop talking about what you don't know" ever. well done sir.
The fight is about ed not paying out what was sold, ed is claiming that razbam used ed ip, razbam denies this, ed is holding back the funds, this is a dispute that allot of companies like this have, the solution is legal, and that takes a long time, ask me I know. And whatever is sold ed is holding back the funds to razbam, that is why ed is still selling on the platform, not saying that this is wrong or right, but know at least you know. I haven't got an issues with ed or razbam, I just love the game
I'm well aware of what the fight was/is about: the question is how did some content creators draw the conclusion that RAZBAM is dead, and indeed potentially the entire franchise, from that information you just cited as the root cause of the dispute.
@@Pricklyhedgehog72 agreed that was low, click bait not on. I'm upset because the f15 has always been my dream plane. The legal stuff is what I'm only trying to make a point about, this stuff takes time. I only hope it's sooner not later mate, and I enjoy your show...
Fantastic comment on each point regarding Razbam, and specially quoting unknown developers by content creators… if developer want his opinion to become public, contact creator should insist that developer stand behind his opinion… otherwise it is pointless…. As one other unnamed developer told me 😉
Good call on actually holding Enigma and Spudknocker to account. They both fueled the fire of unfounded speculation with their clickbait.
Is it speculation if we don't see updates on Razbam modules? Just further confirms the suspicions lol
No, remember they said they won't work on the modules until the issue is resolved, so saying the whole team is torpedoed and the modules are done is speculation.
@Pricklyhedgehog72 Okay, so best for players to no longer buy Razbam modules and add fuel to the fire so to say. We seen this with the Hawk... hopefully that kinda situ can be avoided here
The whole situation sucks. It’s understandable that Razbam is upset from not being paid. However, them making the public statement and name dropping Heatblur as another dev that wasn’t paid at one point, caused it to go nuclear with if the player base. It’s something that never should have been made public. They could have told the players that there wouldn’t be any updates on modules for “internal reasons” or something like that.
we have evidance of the abandon of the Razbam modules...No updates on them since 6 dcs updates...
Remember they said they won't work on them until the issue with them and ED is resolved. No work means the issues aren't resolved.
I also think pulling the tutorial videos is a bit of an overreaction. People still use the modules and still want to learn them. I get the potential guilt and respect Casmo and Deephack for their work but I just think it’s a bit…unnecessary; and it feeds the refund panic.
Want to tank Razbam and ensure the modules go tits-up? Demand Razbam and ED refund all of the F-15E purchases well before we are at the point where they cannot be enjoyed
I like Spud (and Enigma) but both are acting as if they are more tuned into the inner-workings of things than we are. I’m glad to see someone coming out and calling out the panic these guys are in for what it is. A g-limiter on the Mirage breaks and there is widespread screaming about how it’s already started. That’s not to say that the worst case WONT happen…just that we don’t know it will
We all want it to be resolved but allow me to disagree with this type of "waiting game". I might be wrong but other than those initial "childish" statements from both parties, nothing was said. Thats a lot of money worth of potentially un-usable modules. They should at least tell us to WAIT (in which case i would gladly wait) or get our re-funds. Regarding content creators, everyone should have an opinion without being judged by others' opinions. Great content as always.
I thought they did say wait, or did they say it was OVER and DONE ?
@@redtailpilot Didn't hear/see an official WAIT. But i am patiently waiting for that.
@@Anoobis_mz I didn't hear/see an official funeral either (as some youtubers indicated), which is the point he makes in this video 🤔
...zero fucking evidence of a funeral, to be blunt...😂
In other words, stop writing the death certificate while the patient is still on life support! Jeez 🙄
@@redtailpilot I have to agree on that. Never said otherwise. My point was, customers should at least be told to wait., instead of relying on content creators for that. I’m a heavy M2KC user 😂 sorry for my rant.
@@Anoobis_mz Yeah we're just going around in circles at this point, but my understanding is that ED did say they were working towards a resolution. To me and many others, that means....WAIT. Now, as Prickly noted, WHEN/IF we get word that it's OVER, then and only then should we sign the death certificate! Hey, nice chat....I'm out 🤠✌🏽
Well, its not a private dispute, is it. Its quite public after apparently months of private dispute. It already has effects on the game/modules and they are still being sold. Pretending that it isn't an extraordinary situation doesn't help anyone.
If it was all whispers and rumour I would be right with you but it very obviously isn't. Its completely unacceptable that it got to the public stage and its even worse that that terrible publicity didn't inspire a rapid and very public resolution. If that doesn't sound dire to you, cool, but to lots of people it sure does.
RB made it public forcing ED to respond, but it's largely back in the private sphere, although some have said there's public comments from some RB employees likely on Discord or somewhere hinting at issues with ED.
As for Razbam v ED. I agree with you but I honestly lost respect for Razbam a while ago. Their modules often feel rushed and unfinished. Compared to Heatblur or Aerges they seem just weak.
Hard disagree. Razbam modules have flight models and electronics modeling that feels much more involved than Heatblur or (especially) Aerges. Heatblur is in the ballpark, but no other studio (to include ED themselves) are anywhere *close* to the quality of radar modeling in the Razbam models. Aerges' radar modeling is no more sophisticated than the very basic radar model used in FC3, which isn't so much a model of a radar, as it is a visual filter placed over the raw simulator entity location data; they don't model reflectivity, aspect, ground clutter, glint, sidelobes, or anything else. Razbam's radar models do. Razbam are the also only developer to actually fully model IFF sets.
Razbam's very first modules were unfinished when first released. This should be no surprise. They were new to the DCS SDK. What is much more telling, is that they stuck with it and kept working until it was *right*. Which is, frankly, more than can be said for ED.
I must say for years i had the same opinion but over time the mirage and the av8 are top Modules so in the last 2 years they did a great job. My opinion at least.
Nah, they're actually the most important 3rd party, going beyond the standards in SIMULATION. Heatblur are nice and all but they mainly focus of flashy shit, which DCS seems to be all about. Razbam have done their best to make DCS a better simulator.
@@bronco5334 Yeah I am pretty sure that the systems modeling of the both the F-14 and the F-4 blow away any kind of systems in RAZSCAM aircraft. I have the Harrier, and it doesn't feel even a 1/10th as "alive" as say the F-4 or even the OH-58D.
@bronco5334 I can see your point. And I admit I am a bit short on Razbam, as they do a great job on systems modeling. But let's look at it realistically. I like razbam but they do have a history of not releasing stuff in the highest state of quality.
Never liked spudknocker, seems to think he’s some expert or genius
Former (possibly still current?) Razbam employees state that there are no talks going on between Razbam and ED, and that ED isn't even responding to communications at this point. Now, that might be BS, or those guys might only know what they're being told by their bosses.... but it doesn't sound like any dispute being hashed out. It sounds like ED is waiting for Razbam to come grovelling back with unconditional surrender... or go under and cease to exist.
Happy life All. I'm no longer a Subscriber No BIG deal I know I'm nothing. But I Must go, I'm looking for a Better Person to fallow for myself.
Not sure what that's about, but you do you.
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@@Pricklyhedgehog72 Thank You Sir
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I unfollowed Spud a while ago, he loves clickbaiting a bit too much.
You slam other youtubers for speculating but you take for granted things yourself.
At 36:12 you say we DO KNOW there are talks, while razbam have said multiple times in the past month ED does not answer their calls, emails and inquiries.
If it is a legal dispute as ED claims communication is most likely going to whatever legal teams ED and RZ have in place. At that point, direct communication usually ceases until said dispute is resolved. So, yes, Razbam has said that but, they have only given their side and have not said if lawyers are involved or not and if there is money involved, lawyers are going to be involved. Ask me how I know. The speculations made in this video are nowhere near as egregious as the ones made in Enigma's video where he talked with some unknown person that has no idea as to what is going on between ED and RZ and posted it as substantiated fact that this is what is going on when in fact it was just speculation from another unknown person. So, no, this is nowhere near as bad as Enigma's video, and I don't watch Spudknocker as much as some other channel so I can't comment on his.
What Joker said. Neither Spud nor Enigma mentioned any RB dialogue efforts either between the teams that you mention. If it's a litigious matter, they won't be chatting willy-nilly via email if lawyers are involved.
@@ImpendingJoker Funny you mention it, according to RB, Eagle Dynamics and Nick Grey haven't gotten back to RB's lawyers either :)
There's a big difference between an actual statement from Razbam versus some frustrated employees venting in a discord channel.
You clearly state Razbam claims they didn't get paid but didn't provide ED's response why they weren't paid. You will have to do better than that if you want to virtue signal and criticize others. And your stance of everyone should not rile up division within the community with opinions is shored up by an extremely opinionated vid inflaming the situation? Perhaps you should have taken your own advise and not get drawn into the drama with an incendiary response.
That was my fault for omitting ED's rationale, but it has been covered in other videos. The intended incendiary response was to target the claims RAZBAM are down and out, and I felt it needed a response. I have seen a lot of reddit feeds in which some community members are encouraging everyone to demand refunds before we know the fate or the outcome of this ratification of differences. That worries me, and I feel was sparked by irresponsible speculation by others.
@@Pricklyhedgehog72 Reasonable. But Reddit is Reddit and like any other social media platform is chock full of drama queens, malcontents and rabble-rousers. I wouldn't take anything on that site seriously. That said, your opinion is valued...just as Spudknocker's is, so all's good in the end.
OMG yes! You nailed it with Spudknocker. He and most of them sound so pathetic trying to convince everyone to trash their modules and dont spend their hundreds of dollars of beautiful modules that still work wonderfully. Not only that but Spudknocker and the rest are saying that nobody should report on it or give in to the drama, yet all of them at the same time are profiting from just speculating and feeding the beast they claim to not want to profit from. ITs insane. Enjoy the modules folks and dont listen to a dummy like Spudknocker who tells you to protest your own investment you enjoy every time you fly it . Things will work out, there was an issue, we dont have any new information, so stop profiting from others misery. End of story.
Side note : Prickly, you just got yourself a subscriber. i cannot believe you mentioned the other content developers and spud. I just watched that video yesterday and had the exact same feelings, and never thought another creator would see it the way I did. Did we just become best friends ? Lol inVINSONable1@Twitch. DCS's biggest streamer so come find me and lets put warheads on foreheads for the fans!