What if SANS Never Promised Toriel?
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- čas přidán 3. 05. 2023
- What if SANS Never Promised Toriel?
It's time for part 2 of What If SANS Didn't Make The Promise? Last video covered pacifist and now we're doing genocide.
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My mind immediately went to Undertale Promised when you talked about a genocide sans fight right outside of ruins. Almost everything you said about the sans fight upon leaving the ruins matches Undertale Promised. Sans talks about the ruins door, the fight is an easier version than the sans fight in last corridor, Papyrus comes in at the end, etc. The only difference really is that sans breaks the promise in Undertale Promised instead of never having made the promise in the first place, but that's just one line of dialogue.
While this theory is very interesting and compelling, personally I think things would be abit different. The first differences would be in Waterfall, as with Sans warning Undyne of the human and Papyrus' death, Gerson is also gone from his shop, but you can't buy anything from it or steal and gold. You can only read a note that Gerson left, where he says that he abandoned this shop and hopes Frisk burns in hell. Afterwards, Monster kid wouldn't actually appear at the bridge scene, as Undyne tells Sans to warn Alphys, Mettaton and Asgore and take Monster kid to Alphys' lab. Seeing how Sans can teleport and has telekinisis to hold people in place, Monster kid can't sneak or run away from Sans. The fight with Undyne will now have 2 phases, and she would confront the human at the same location that she does in the pacifist and neutral runs, making a long monologue about how she is absolutely disgusted by Frisk's actions and vows to finish them off right there. Phase 1 being the pacifist and neutral route Undyne fight, but her spears have the same speed as they would if you challenge her over and over again during an actual pacifist/neutral route. After depleting her hp, she begins melting, but instead of dying, she turns into Undyne the Undying, beginning phase 2. The fight with Undyne the Undying is the same, but abit harder as you may have wasted an item or 2 to heal during the first phase. After you deplete her hp again, she is shocked and disappointed in herself that even with all her power she still couldn't defeat Frisk, but says that her death isn't in vain as she bought Sans time to warn everyone in Hotland and New Home, melting right afterwards.
When arriving in hotland it's clear that Sans really did keep his word on Undyne, as even the river person is gone and nobody is in Alphys' lab, not even Mettaton. Although the door to the true lab is still locked, if you check it you can hear very faint, almost unhearable noises of someone tampering with machinery. the kill counter is still 40, but the fights with the Royal guards and Muffet are way different. Starting with the royal guards, you can't one shot them, so you have to defeat them normally. They however still take high damage from your attacks. during the sections in floor 1 where there were puzzles in the neutral and pacifist runs, Mettaton shows up and he attacks Frisk, forcing chase seguences like those with Sans and Undyne in Waterfall until you reach the R1 elevator. The elevators have been tampered with and the only ones that still work are the R1 and L3 elevators. Like usual, Muffet is not in her bake sale, but when you reach her lair her dialogue is different. She talks about how a human has commited genocide against the whole underground and is now walking through her lair. During her fight she takes way less damage than the royal guards did, but still higher damage than she would if you damaged her during a pacifist/neutral route. In the MTT resort burgerpants is no longer at the store, allowing you to get anything you want for free, but you can still only get 1 steak and now only 5 legendary heroes before they run out of stock, you can also steal 5371 gold from the cashier but at this point you won't need any of your money anymore, so it's just a salt in the wound. In the bridge connecting MTT resort to the core, a shadowed figuire walks towards the core.
The core isn't that much different from the main genocide run, the main differences being that the puzzles are all functional with the exception of the first one with the blue lazers, the elevator that can skip the entire core doesn't work and the scripted encounters from the core during a pacifist/neutral run still occur, even if the kill counter has already been exhausted. These encouters also don't lower the kill counter. You can still abort the genocide route by fighting Mettaton Neo before the kill counter has been exhausted, but he won't be one shot(more on that in abit). After exhausting the kill counter(or not), Frisk moves on to the end of the core, where Mettaton is waiting. He says that Sans warned him, Asgore and Alphys about Frisk and that they need to be stopped. He then talks about how he first was a human eradication robot, but because he was given a more photogenic body fit for a performer, the defenses to that body were never finalised, until Frisk's arrival. As it turns out, the sounds heard from the true lab door if checked was Alphys finishing Mettaton's Neo's defenses. Mettaton however, as a human fan, also wants to kill Frisk to protect humanity along with the remaining monsters. He then turns to Mettaton Neo, initiating a very hard fight. At the end, Mettaton is defeated and explodes, dealing 40 damage upon death(and yes, the blast can kill you).
New Home is at first Similar, with Flowey speaking to Frisk as if they are Chara, but things change after Flowey gets scared of you. Sans shows up, his first appearence since waterfall, commenting on how Flowey finally saw the human's true colours. Flowey runs off and Sans throws gaster blasters at Frisk until they reach the final corridor, at which point the sans fight goes on as normal until his final attack. He still dodges the first attack that the player throws at him after he falls asleep, but with the second attack the screen cuts to white, and Asgore has blocked the attack. Asgore, Alphys and Flowey appear on screen. Asgore has absorbed the 6 human souls, and has become very powerful, taking no damage from your attacks unless you have the true knife equipped and killing you in one hit unless you have the locket equipped. He begins reminising about Asriel's death and Toriel leaving him. He says that ever since then he hasn't been the best king to his kingdom, but Frisk's genocide has gone too far, regretting his decision to not interfere until now. Despite that, he says that he will make amends by killing Frisk, freeing the monsters still alive and avenging the deceased. Sans, Alphys and Flowey can't be attacked, as they take cover behind Asgore. The attacks while not unfair to the player, are still overwhelming, as 4 enemies attack you at once. Eventually, Asgore's hp is close to 0, at which point he loses his cool completely, activating a final attack that ends with the player dead no matter what, as even if you survive the attack, Asgore will still kill you as the human souls surround him. However, unlike in the neutral run where they revolted against Omega Flowey, here they help Asgore and he kills Frisk. Asgore then absorbs Frisk's soul and uses all the souls to shatter the barrier, ending the genocide run and preventing the world's destruction, but providing a very bittersweet ending for the monsters that survived as even though the barrier has been destroyed, Frisk still commited mass genocide on monsterkind and left many people with their loved ones dead.
How is this shit so underrated?
@@marinagaleotti good question
Sans still makes the promise even in the genocide run he says “sorry old lady this is why I never make promises” before the battle
Actually asgore would dodge too, we know that from undyne text, and considering the scale of the situation, he DEFINITELY would dodge
To be honest I think nothing would change, because all the things Sans can do in the Genocide fight might be the powers he gets from being the judge. He isn't trying to kill you for revenge, he's doing his work, and it consists in killing you to show you what all the people you have killed experienced.
What
Sans cant even do anything to us unless we did a genocide run cuz we doesn't have enough sins/we are not bad enough, his karma works only on really bad people but not on neutral Frisk for example, there is a chance he could use karma but it would suck and his attacks could do nothing to us.
And even with his full power he couldn't do anything cuz sans can only deal 1DMG. So without karma hes useless.
And actually sans isn't like that, as we know hes really lazy and kind he could never kill us.
@@micy_yt3449 well if player is lvl 1 sans can strong enough to beat player because player just has 20 HP he just summon more 20 bones its enough to kill player but if player is lvl 19 he doesnt have chance
@@khangvuong1085 ok but after getting out of the ruins you have like 6LV or somthing like that.
So you have more than 20HP.
And lets say we are doing pacyfist.
As we know sans can see how much LV/EXP we have so until we don't do anything bad in the ruins sans doesn't have a reason to even fight us he could only warn everyone that a human appears.
And sans wants to make Papyrus happy so sans would just show us to Papyrus and evrything goes as normal.
There is a chance that sans joins Papyrus in his battle to help him but nothing more sans isn't a human killing machine or somthing like that hes just a lazy skeleton that wants to make his bro happy.
@@khangvuong1085 And sans gets easily tired so if we just dodge all of his attacks we win.
And 20 Bones is actually much like Imagine getting hit 20 time's lol.
So even if he for some reason attacked us in pacyfist route he still wouldn't have any chance against us.
Can you make one? What happens if you spare certain monsters what if you spare papyrus? What is the spare monsters in waterfall? What if you spare flowery? What if you spare?
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Sans is my favourite character in undertale
i wonder what the ending will be
edit: i watched the video nice vid
I feel like Asgore wouldn't absorb the human souls because a lot of reasons.
asgore putting frisk in 1 hp is just him trying to not kill frisk because he wants the battle to last as much as possible thats why he even lets you prepare for the fight its to prolong it
bro did not make a undertale if sans never promised toriel
bro made undertale if monsters are actually trying to stop you
Sans has two line in geno talking about the promise so he already made it
Just a better and harder genocide run
i do feel like this theory makes sense exept..
i think while frisk is asleep in toriels house, toriel tells sans the promise
and maybe frisk wakes up early because they wanna kill more, and toriel dies as theyre telling the promise..so sans doesnt follow it assuming toriel died
and also i dont think flowey turns to dust, and he definitley doesnt bleed
i think the shreds that are there as frisk slashes..are pieces of flowey, then theyre slashed until they dont exist anymore
sans would have just slammed frisk non stop and then killed them with a bone or blaster
Didn’t sans say he never keep promises in the genocide route?
think so but i don't think he meant it literally. just means "i never usually make promises and this is why"
He says something like "I'm sorry, old lady. That's why I never make promises", implying, that he actually DID make it, and now has to break it. So, even in genocide, in original canon, he still makes that promise.
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Sans was a scientist at his 19 years, but he quit his job. I suspect that he quit his job as scientist because he did not wanna participate in killing innocent kids, but it made Sans depressed, so he became really laid-back
Feels like sans could appear when frisk killed a monster when toriel leaves them and instantly goes mad
Note:i know when you exit the ruins you cant go back and the door is immune of magic but its the power of fandom story