Quad Cortex vs Kemper vs Helix - A Quick Blindfold Tone Comparison
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You guys could try doing a live premiere of a pre-recorded video like this, which would open up the live chat. Then you could see people giving their feedback and making their guesses in real time.
That would be awesome!!
My biggest take away is that ToneJunkie didn't do a great job to make them sound similar. :o
ToneJunk😄...very poor job
Agreed
I kinda feel the same. When I bought my Kemper, I got way into his profile packs. Bought a bunch of them. After a while though I started gravitating toward other 3rd party profile makers and even my own homemade ones, despite his having “pro” mics and outboard gear and cool vintage amps. Lots of people like them but I just kinda became “meh” about it
ToneJunkie are the worst profiles out there
Right…. 😒
Anderton's managed to find a new spin on this. I've watched tons of comparison videos, and here is another one, but it is a new angle and really fun! Lee & crew still always get me to click.
Man, Digital John has come into his own as a presenter.
Just thinking exactly the same thing.
Plus he's one hell of a player, I guess that helps too
And a damn good player as well. It’s nice to hear some different runs and chord progressions
Thanks for doing this, very cool. I knew the Helix right off the bat as I've gigged with them since they came out. But I haven't spent a lot of time with the Kemper and zero times with the QC. But after writing down my faves, I was a little surprised that I picked the QC in almost every instance as my favorite of the three. Makes me wonder if I need to check one out now...
I think this really highlights how important the quality of the profile is.
You read my mind. Just researching for one of these at the moment. Shame Fractal Audio don't do retail sales as this would have been a great 4 way test.
HW @ Tone Junkie is the man.. Arshall Profile for the Kemper is a BEAST!! My go to rig for everything..
Given that it seems they can all be dialled in to sound very good, I then move to the effects and the range and quality of the Helix effects are second to none IMHO. The routing options on the Helix are also insanely flexible!
Thanks guys! I'm a Helix owner, and I love it! Have never played on a QC or Kemper, but after watching tons of videos on all the units you confirmed the consensus of them all! QC captures have more push, Kemper profiles are accurate to original amp, and Helix needs to be tweeked to sound great! As many have said, all are great units and each have plusses, and minuses! If we all played on the same Twin Reverb, we'd all sound different, not better, not worse! Thanks again!
But i think that with a little bit of tweaking on the helix, you can replicate any of the sounds of the other two.
Great review. Enjoyed watching. I own a QC purchased from you guys, and it got to me in the U.S. very quick. You guys rock! I also have an HX Stomp and POD Go. I favor the QC for a lot of playing scenarios I also love the large screen on the QC. I don't need an editor for the QC. The cloud for it is great. I have the HX and POD Go for some other things and is a back up to the QC. I can make either device work for me. I come to a conclusion that you and Digital John selected the same amps all the time because John is in your DNA tests have proved this 😅
I liked b the most and was sure it would be the kemper! Now I’m pretty interested in the quad cortex…
I'm commenting right before the reveal and have heard all the examples but don't know the results.
They all sounded really good at different times but the thing that really stood out is that the capture on C sounded like it was done at a lower volume which left the fender sounding too clean and fizzy on the chapman, but really benefitted the Marshall sound and definitely worked with the soldano. Overall I feel like if I was buying blind I'd probably go with B... but, I don't buy blind and they're all really great sounding units. I also do use a helix as my primary gigging rig because I have to play on silent stages and have wanted to upgrade to the QC but honestly that's 99% about getting a smaller rig and not at all because the helix sounds "bad". TLDR: all were good.
Now to push play and see how I like my answers. lol.
I noticed this video was in 50FPS. Very nice and much appreciated!
I chose B C B just like you guys…and honestly, I think it might have been Bs across the board if you could have dialed back the reverb on the Plexi pass. This was fun! 👍👍 oh, since you asked, I’m a QC user. 😀
One of the most interesting things to me about these vids is how much sound affects approach to playing. And I will stick with that when challenged for my need for more guitars.
I listened to the first comparison. Made my mind up on considerations other than the tones. Difficult to explain but glad to find I was right.
I singled out the Kemper first. Was a bit of a choice between the other two but the Helix seemed the most natural.
I'm also a Valeton fan. If the cash was there, probably the QC.
Thanks for that gents, I've had a QC for a few months and was hoping I was going to match my favourite blind audition to the QC...I did on the Fender,. I agree that the Kemper did a better Plexi and thought QC and Kemper were equally good, although different tones on the SLO. Fascinating to remove the bias and just listen without prejudice.
I own the Kemper and really enjoy it. I was most surprised at how great the Helix sounded. All excellent options. We are spoiled for choice, us guitar players have never had it so good.
Honestly, I'm still about half way through this video as I type this but I own a Helix and the sheer amount of tonal options I have with this unit is absolutely insane. I have my helix wired into an Orange Pedal Baby in a Marshall JCM 900 1960A Cab and it sounds so freaking good. In addition to that I have it wired into my Focusrite for recording and it just simplifies every single part of the guitar AND BASS tone stacking process. Couldn't agree more with your statement that we have it so good nowadays
I love to see you guys to a video on helix's new 3.5 update. maybe if this video had been reordered after the update, there would've been some very interesting results.
Agreed. At first, I thought this video was for the occasion of 3.5. The cab update may change everything, so there is almost no information for me in this video.
I hope for a sequel!
helix user here. genuinely liked the QC for all of these tones. the fender amp was a dead giveaway that C was the Kemper to my ears. Kempers have a really harsh top end on cleaner amps that just can't be missed. it's this weird sizzle that is far higher than where a guitar speaker would roll off. that said, I have always struggled to get the fender amp models to sound good in the helix, but I usually lean towards British amps anyways. cheers, boys! great video
John Cordy recently released a new video dialing in a great Fender clean tone using the new cabs. Check it out.
Interesting timing given Line 6 have just today released a new firmware update (3.5) for the Helix that massively improves the built-in cab simulations. I assume the Helix tested here does not have the latest firmware - would be interesting to compare with the new cab simulations.
Yep! Firmware 3.50 is an absolute game changer for the Helix. Not tested here but it also has best effects of the 3 units IMO.
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Great shootout being a helix user which I happily purchased from andertons was a bit disappointed with the result but kind of expected it I don't particularly like using the helix into frfr speakers or monitors but Think it is amazing used into a valve power amp
John definitely thought that C was the Helix when he made the comment about high end fizz. I've owned a Helix for a long time and have heard this a lot but have never had a problem with this high end fizz issue I see people complaining about online. I did instantly recognise A as Helix as well as it just has a sound to it that always sits nicely in a mix.
Very happy that Mister Connearn has become such an integral part of the team. I have seriously considered one of these since I play direct about 90% of the time.
I've choosen Helix, and I own a stomp. It's interesting because the price difference from HX floor and QC cortex is marginal, but from Stomp to QC cortex is huge, and you get the same sound with some limitations. The QC form factor is the one I prefer, smaller than other two.
I actually had it wrong. I had Quad-Kemper-Helix without using any of them, but with all my research. My favorite is what I know now as QC. Thanks for this. This helps me a lot.
Great video guys. This has help me to rethink my future purchase.
I preferred the first and second so a toss up, possibly giving the second a slight edge. Both were fuller sounding than the third which in my opinion didnt cut it as far as my preferences go. Thanks for the demo!
All sounded great, but all sounded better with the Les Paul, great video as always.
This was an interesting way to doing this "shootout". I quite enjoyed it. I chose "B - A - B"... that final round was extremely close to me between all 3. I'm a Helix user and was happy I chose it in one of the rounds. But to be honest, aside from the first round (where C didn't sound good at all to me), all 3 units sounded great and I wouldn't be opposed to using any of those sounds.
I would love to see this taken one step forwards comparing the Quad Cortex Vs Kemper Vs Helix and have these compared against the audio FX you can get software based IE Bias FX 2 or Amplitude virtual Neural DSP
My choice was A with B a close second. I was terrified that C is the Helix as I own a Helix rack and they can sound thin if incorrectly dialled in. I'm relieved that I made the right choice for MY ears. I prefer the rack and remote foot switch form factor as well.
I had the EXACT same thoughts 😂
A was a helix
@@outcoldish y
Yep, got that,
I own a helix and I could pick it out of the 3 (it has the best spring reverb). Helix just released a bunch of new cabinets today to replace some of the old ones, so it might be interesting to try this again with some of the new cab models.
And their new cab models are more dynamic than the IRs are.
Hi, I own a Helix too, which of all the spring reverb options do you use?
@@GuitarKobe86 I'm not the OP, but I like Hot Springs the best. IMO sounds most authentic before the amp model with the mix turned back quite a bit.
meh the cabs were fine enough for the main stuff. L6 are killing it on the customization options we just got though....Im finally using my pedalboard like I used to do session boards. (stomp box bypass accross snapshots finally)
I have helix native and was always had “it’s ok and gets me by” feelings about it. Mostly in the feel side. The update with the new cabs really changed that. Now it’s my go to when I want to use an amp plugin.
That was a great test of those systems. I don't have any of those, but for me the video demonstrated the difficulty of making similar songs from the three systems and the profound differences that the guitars made in the sound.
I liked 1 on Fender and 2 on Marshall and Slo. I own a QC and I really hoped that it was 2 as it was the most consistent throughout for my ears even if I preferred the helix for clean. 3 on fender was horrible and I particularly didn’t like 1 on the Marshall and Slo with how the mids were shifted. If I would rate them from with ears, it would be QC, Kemper and Helix. I can’t praise the capture feature enough through my own personal captures being near identical when done correctly. It’s nice to know you have the unit you preferred the sounds of.
I've got a hxstomp, a rectifier, and the new Ik ToneX. I really like glassy sounds so I actually preferred C, the Kemper, but thought B, the QC sounded the most real and best all around. BTW, try out the ToneX, I really like being able to share my amps for free, even though I was a little hit or miss on my captures. Search for A RECTO or A Hartke if you wanna hear real basement tones and how little change dramatically effect the sound for good or ill.
Great vid… i’d pick the helix out of the three… superb gear with awesome support
I’m a guitarist on a budget so I use the MOOER GE series, but all of these seem super good and useful!
Captain: To be consistent, let's call them Green, Red, and Blue.
Also Captain: A, B, and C.
Also also Captain: 1, 2, and 3.
😂😂😂 I realised that when I watched it back.
Helix owner here so going to be interested in this. :) I feel C is the Helix.
Surprised A was the Helix myself but all 3 sounded great over all. :)
I was the same, sure C was the Helix. Not tempted at all by the others now. Very comfortable with my choice, especially considering the new cab update. Which I haven't tried yet, coming out this morning while I'm at work.
I personally own a helix and out of all of them I liked the QC and Helix equally and strangely enough I didn’t like the Kemper ! Great comparison guys
No idea which is which, but this is awesome 😊
I'm a QC user and I love the sounds and flexibility it gives me. My actual amp has been off for at least 2-3 months in a row. The other day, I kinda felt disconnected from the QC. I turned on my Marshall SV20 and I was blown away what a difference it makes. I think sound-wise, all the recent modellers are there. But the feel isn't quite the same. I don't even think it's pure latency that's the problem. The latency of the QC is okay imho.
Well if you own a QC and a Marshall SV20 your winning anyways hahaa
I'm a Helix user and amazingly picked it everytime. It sounds a bit more "tame" than the others, but, it works incredibly in the studio. I find the the others sounded fantastic alone, but may be too overblown in the track.
I think that may be where it shines most as the others seem to rely on captures (I own a helix too and am not familiar with them personally) whereas the Helix allows you to dial in what you need where you need it when you need it
I thought they all sounded great. I own a helix LT and a Kemper. I tend to use my helix for my band and kemper at home for recording. But I also have a load of pedals and switch it up. Fractal upgrade too often for my liking. QC was too late to the game for me but I do think it's neat. I would agree with others who commented that with the latest Helix update just out, it's tones just got even better since this video.
I own a Helix so I was able to figure that out immediately. Honestly, I thought B was the Kemper and C was the QC. I've never played either but I enjoyed B (QC) over C (Kemper) in all the samples.
There's something I keep noticing - Helix presets are often *made* to sound boxy, and here it's likely the compressor post IR that does that job (but very often it's people trying to eliminate almost nonexistant "digital hiss" with insane high cuts), because Helix's top end is a bit weird due to the way it does gain on a lot of the older models (wish the marshalls would be re-done.. they desperately need it). And on the other hand, amp captures somehow never know what to do with more gain than what was modeled, so pedals are hit or miss into one.
Would've liked to see an Axe FX in the mix, since that is Helix's direct competitor, and both sides of that argument have strong opinions about the other :p
I definitely got the boxy thing on the Soldano preset.
Agreed 100% on the Helix plexi models. The only one that sounds right to me is the Park 75, but with a LOT of tweaking to the stock settings.
Amp captures never know what to do with more gain than as captured because quite simply that information is not there. They know about less gain because when they capture they look at the response at all available signal levels.
C had a tough start but handled the TS really well. B was consistently good but not always my favourite. I think between the two of them my decision would come down to the UI and how they are to work with.
So the Kemper wins in terms of overall sounds?
the moment you played the helix one I knew which one it was already!! I personally own a helix LT and I love it! please make more videos like these and comparing different chains, maybe do a video where you have all running a metal rig, rock rock, etc! I think this will help show there versatility with each one!
Helix LT owner since 2018.
Wanting to get a QC as well but keep my helix.
Idk though. The only thing this proved to me is that they can all sound great and it comes down to which user interface you want, and which features you want that are exclusive to specific modellers.
Happy to report I preferred the Helix in each case. The others were too toppy for my tastes but it’s all subjective. I just continue to enjoy being a Helix owner. FWIW, a) I prefer darker tones in general, b) besides Fender, I don’t really try to emulate any amps, just look for useable/playable tones, especially for lead and c) not really a high gain guy. Although ironically, my go-to preset relies on the German Mahadeva for the distorted sounds (the Jazz Rivet 120 handles the cleans). It cleans up surprisingly well.
Fascinating, I guessed all of them wrong!
I thought A was the Quad Cortex, B was the Kemper, and C was the Helix (granted, I've never used any of them, just watched some reviews). I liked how despite not always being my first pick, A was always a good second, whereas I really felt B sometimes sounded more muddy than I would have liked, and C was really a gamble (sometimes first, sometimes dead last). If I had to pick one, it probably would have been A. If I could have two, I'd pick C and either of the others.
I personally have a Headrush MX5, so no dog in this fight.
MX5 is awesome too !
Picking ToneJunkie as the profiler was a great decision!
At this point it's not really about tone since all three can get dead-on tones, it's more about which workflow fits best for you. For me Helix integrates into my studio better than QC and Kemper so Helix is what I use.
Honestly, in a mix… there’s just not enough difference to concern yourself with any one in particular. Pick your favorite. I choose the Kemper for the community and the vast number of resources.
Also, really cool you guys collaborated with HW. Really love the TJ stuff. Have tons of his profiles!! Thanks! Cheers!
This was interesting! I’m a kemper user ! I’m still pretty satisfied with it especially using it with the kemper kabinet. Using the kabinet as a personal monitor and kemper connect to the PA is nice !
The Kemper sucked on this comparison
@@gffg387 haha yeah it did . I feel kemper might and hopefully might see what’s going on with the competition. They need to make a come back .
I own the QC and a Kemper Stage. In this blind test, I preferred the QC in almost every comparison. If I'm being honest, I much prefer the workflow and layout of my Kemper Stage as a gigging musician. I even contemplated selling my QC. Videos like this have me reconsidering getting rid of it. Perhaps I just need more time to get used to it, and find some better captures. I do feel that the QC is not as rugged feeling for gigging. Maybe it stays in my arsenal as my choice for recording in my studio. The jury is still out. Anyone else in the same position as me??? I'd love to hear your feedback.
I own a helix. I couldn't determine which was which but my favourite from the first sounds was the QC but the 2nd and 3rd sounds were the Kemper.
Surprised the Helix didn’t get much love (in terms of the voting for favourites). I’ve got one, and am constantly amazed at the sounds I can pull out of it.
Great video. Enjoyed the format.
Me too, I gig with one, all styles, all venue sizes and it's impossible to tell the difference between it and my GM40. Feels incredibly good too
Plus they keep adding more features. I love my stomp. Best gear purchase that I've made in my 20 odd years of playing
I've got one years ago, and you just need a little time to dial up, and Helix just doing the sounds very well. Also Helix is a bit cheaper than the other ones .
@@GusaRoli if you still have it, line 6 dropped a huge update today. All new cabs. I can't wait to play around with them
Stomp xl plus the native plug in is amazing value for PC owners.
I have the quad cortex and I've played with a helix on some gigs, but I chose B - C - B. The tones on the quad cortex sounded the most pleasant in every amp, but I chose the Kemper on the Marshall profile, because it had the most marshally breakup. I have to note that the Helix had the best spring reverb on the deluxe reverb amp.
I own a Kemper and have used it for five years but i got totaly fooled today ! I really thought Kemper was the first one!
Great videos guys keep it up greetings from Sweden!
Me too
Sold my Kemper over a year ago, found a matchless amp, never looked back. These have their place though, I would love to own all of them.
I mean as a Helix user (there I said it 😂) I’m very very happy with mine and have been for 5 years now, never let me down. That being said, I don’t believe in “better or worse” I think each one of these (and also Fractal) are for different people. Every musician has their own preference and that’s what’s great about living in a world with so much good gear =P
I’ve owned all the top modellers, but am sticking with the Quad Cortex. The captures are stunning, and the captures for my Engl & 5150 iii are spot on.
That being said, the Engl simulation in my HX Stomp is excellent, and the HX’s effects are excellent.
@@Liam_Doherty_UK is it also possible to profile your own amp with the quad cortex?
@@SixxMoo Yes:)
@@Liam_Doherty_UK well. now the QC is back on my Wishlist again haha
@@Liam_Doherty_UK Yeah that's the thing, I'm not a profiler / capture guy, I have no good amps to capture anymore haha. But hey like I said, if it works for you, it works.
helix owner here, I feel its virtually impossible to say one unit is overall better than another, for example the first tone on "amp" 3 was quite bright. I'm sure I could dial that out in an instant maybe by choosing a darker mic or adjusting mic placement, or by adding an eq block such as low/high cut, parametric eq. I haven't played on either Kemper or QC but I bet with enough time you could get all three to sound indistinguishable and great.
Yup. Really any high end unit today can sound amazing. 💯
That’s exactly what a Line 6 owner would say lol
In all seriousness, I’d choose the quad cortex just because I already like Neural DSP’s products. Line 6 has never been that company for me.
Own a Helix. Preferred the QC in almost every patch while “blindfolded”. Wish I had the money for one. Still very happy with my Helix, though. Cheers!
Awesome demo as always Captain! I did my play-by-play (as it were) below.
I would love to hear some high gain presets from Peavey, EVH, Marshall, and Mesa before I shell out almost $2K for a DSP.
Cheers from Denver, CO my man!
🤘🏻😈🤘🏻
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7:58 so far, of the three (obviously we’re looking at the Fender…I’m guessing a Twin), the most balanced is B, but I like the brightness and crisp high end of C.
This is comment 1 of several to follow
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8:22 I like the more authentic spring style reverb from A
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9:19 Both B and C definitely have higher gain; and although I enjoy the crisp high end on C, that extra dirt isn’t doing it any favors.
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9:58 At this moment (subject to change obviously) I prefer B overall. If the reverb from A could be incorporated with the tonal characteristics of B, I think we got a winner.
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11:55 throwing the tube screamer on the front, I love B, but I came back to C again. The TS dirt is a good addition.
I’m a metal player, so a crisp high end is important to me; but the dirt style really makes the difference.
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14:11 Now that we’ve switched to the Plexi, C is my choice without a doubt. C sounds tight, bright and warm simultaneously, and has a deepness to it. Looking forward to hearing the tube screamer on this one.
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14:50 the Plexi tone on A sounds way muddier. Let’s see what the humbuckers do for B and C
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14:59 some serious…almost hall style reverb on B there; not really feeling that one…lacking definition
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15:15 THERE WE GO. C takes the tonal characteristics from B and makes them defined, crisp, bright, and warm as well.
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15:33 Switching back to A took away the presence
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16:06 Exactly. Just as the Captain said. The reverb on B is distracting from the tone. I’m sure that can be removed, but in the context of that particular preset, the reverb is not helping the quality of the tone.
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16:37 The tube screamer makes A sound muddy to my ears…
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16:42 Ohhh…even worse on B…
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16:51 Ohhh there it is. Tube Screamer in C sounds HOT AS FUCK.
🤘🏻😈🤘🏻
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19:02 It’s really hard to make an SLO sound bad…so here we go…A sounds good so far…
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19:25 Definition and presence increases from A to B to C.
I’m leaning towards B at the moment; it seemed like it had more punch
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20:03 There was some tail end reverb on A that I’m not a huge fan of at this moment…
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20:09 Presence definitely more pronounced on C; still leaning towards B for authenticity without coloration
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20:31 Ok now I’m back to C with the Tube Screamer. The extra compression adds a smoothness to the dirt that I really like
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21:02
With the tube screamer: C
Without tube screamer: B
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21:11 I still go back to the spring style reverb from A on the Fender. That reverb was amazing, and sounded very authentic.
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22:56
OVERALL
Aside from the horrible reverb on the Plexi, B has been the most authentic and balanced.
C is probably my preference though just because of the type of music I like, and the tones I like to hear when I play.
Here we go!
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23:03
My favs. This doesn’t mean shit though, everyone else love what you love!
Reverb only: A
Fender: B
Marshall: C
Soldano: C
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23:51
A: Helix
B: Quad
C: Kemper
This makes my decision no easier than before LOL.
Helix owner. Didn't pick, because I know they are all capable of recreating these tones through CZcams.
Interesting; thank you.
I liked the QC best. [I own a Kemper, which I rarely use, because I prefer my tube amps with an OX]
I don't own, nor haven't used any of them, but my old rock n' roll ears liked them in this order: A, B, then C in general. A sounded consistently the best to me. B was a close (but darker) second place.
That Marshall sound coming from the Kemper sold it. Just for that sound alone it's worth it.
i dont own any of the products , for me A or 1 sounded best. Great vid . John is a great player.
All 3 Modelers sounds insanely good!!...
I own the Quad Cortex. I was playing it intermittently as I watched this. I've a Friedman BE and a Vox AC30 combination patch dialed in that I'm definitely enjoying.
Do you have that preset uploaded? Would like to try it!
@@jonathanarnold2225 No but I can upload it. Check back this afternoon-evening. It's set up for lead guitar with lots of delay and reverb, but you can change that if you want.
@@keithowensmusic37 what is your username?
@@jonathanarnold2225 keithowens
@@jonathanarnold2225 keithowens
My very not confident guess was correct on which was which. I think they’re all very usable. I think the compression and reverb trails of the helix felt like what I’m used to hearing with the helix platform which I currently use. What made me guess that 3 was the kemper is that people love how properly it recreates a real amp… and if we’re honest amps can produce some weird artifacts that sometimes are what makes the experience great and sometimes cause an odd eq curve ect. In summary you could make any of these sound great and get any style and sound you like!
Wow, so I own the Kemper, and I was disappointed in its showing with the Fender amps. I have Tone Junkie's entire library, and it was even more confusing that it did so poorly in that realm. That said, it's my main Marshall amp, and it didn't disappoint. Rock on, Mr. Kemper.
I think TJ tried but probably there are better Kemper Fender amp captures out there than this one
yess, the video I was waiting for
So I do have a Helix, and I recognised N1 as the helix when on patch 2 and the Les Paul. There's a characteristc on the midrange on the plexi modeling I recognised immediately. The plexi is one of my favourite amps hence I'm very familiar with it. But I had no idea about the other two. I was surprised at the Quad Cortex.. sounded really good... but I'm also certain one can make all three sound exacly the same.
Unpopular opinion (?) but I don’t think the sound comparisons matter all too much. They all sound great, the question is more so what features you need in order to do what you wanted
i preferred the kemper overall (twice) QC (once) and i own a Helix. curious if the helix is running 3.5 firmware because it sounds a lot better to me with the new cab models.
They likely filmed this a while ago so I doubt it. Shame they didn’t wait a month or so 😂
Kemper is amazing.
You guys should do the same test but with only the stock amp/cabs/effects. They all should have common items. I think the QC would win hands down.
Great to see Digital John and Digital Dad doing a video together.
I'm a little late to the party, but I've owned a Kemper and a Helix in the past, and use an Iridium now - it does everything I need. That said, my board is now built around a specific sound, so I'm back in the market for something that can be an all-in-one that I can use for practicing other genres, playing the occasional gig where I don't want to bring a super heavy (and mostly useless) board, or for just messing around. I've had my eye on the QC for a while. It seems perfect to fill that need, but it could also replace my Darkglass amp for my bass rig (since I always use it direct). So... this sold me on the QC.
As I said, I've used the Helix and the Kemper in the past, and both were amazing. The Kemper's amp sounds and effects are fantastic, but it is limited on how many effects you can use - which is a lot of the reason I switched to the Helix. The Helix didn't, IMO, sound quite as good, but it was good enough for most everything I needed, and it was much more flexible overall. I switched away to pedals because I didn't want to spend time digging in menus in my limited play time. All have their benefits and downsides. Pick what's the best for you.
No Kemper experience but I picked B-C-B with these guys. I own a QC and a friend owns a Helix. The conclusion I've come to is that you can get great sounds from all of them, but from my experience between the QC and Helix: I can make a great sounding patch from the ground up using the touch screen, captures, etc in a few minutes vs. my friend who had to tinker with knobs and arrow keys for much longer on his Helix. On the flip side, I needed to buy a separate expression pedal for use with the QC, whereas the Helix comes with one built in.
liked it already for that intro bomb shell 😆
Plexi patch on A sounded really great with the single coils without the tube screamer. B sounded really nice with the fender patch.
I own a Helix and I preferred 1+2 almost equally, and the 3rd I enjoyed on some of the tones. If someone were to give me any of them I’d be thrilled. Sure I’m in camp Helix, but I was into the Variax and Helix goes very well with that. Solved a lot of problems not having a lot of gear, I could at least get close to the tones of most things I am likely to hear and want to recreate it for myself. The other options I could do that with a Variax as well, but it wouldn’t integrate as seamlessly and usefully (my Helix powers my guitar so I don’t need to rely on battery).
Guys: Someone else just mentioned this, but I'm making a separate post in hopes you really see it and will seriously consider it. Content like this is IDEAL for LIVE STREAMING. Yes, takes a bit of time to setup but once you have it setup properly, you totally cut out all of the time needed to edit and do post-production.
Things like these kinda of comparisons are best done without any post-production on your end anyway for the audio.
Plus live streams can be so much more interactive - you get IMMEDIATE feedback and comments, just have a producer curating the comments and throwing them out to the hosts for discussion. You also can easily do REAL TIME VOTING to get a feel for people's choices immediately.
LIVE STREAMING WOULD BE EPIC FOR ANDERTON'S.
Plus, you could make it a bit more cheeky in terms of language if you wanted to [or not]. There is a certain skill that is needed to effectively host live streams, but you all have developed unique hosting styles and natural personalitites which live streaming would take advantage of.
For examples, look to TECH CHANNELS like Linus Tech Tips and their WAN SHOW on how its done. Hell, even TPS is doing this already once a week.
Again, yes, some work on the front end to setup for live streaming. But once that's done its just maintaining the settings and refining. And again, pretty much ZERO POST PRODUCTION EDITING needed unless you choose to.
Yes, live without a net can be a bit scary, but there's no reason in the world Anderton's and crew can't do it right and get amazing audience interaction and feedback immediately.
I own a Helix LT. I like it well enough. TBH, I would be fine with just an HX Stomp at WAY less money as I don't use the vol/wah pedal at all or need the extra I/O and such. The 3.5 update is very nice. I'm sure I would be happy with any number of modeler options out there as I'm more concerned about my performance (what I play) than the subtleties of my tone (rock cover band in dive bars).
I plan to buy an LT or a Stomp, but I keep thinking that 8 blocks from the Stomp wouldn't be enough in some cases. What do you think?
@@vladrapchan5330 I would try to grab a cheaper used LT. I have the Stomp XL and I have not ran into issues, but thats because I have big box delays and reverbs, if I didnt, there could be problems.
@@vladrapchan5330I've been using the hx stomp for a few years, and it's treated me pretty well so far. I didnt have much trouble with running out of blocks, but i could definitely See it becomming a problem for some people. So maybe go for the bigger version if you can swing it, but the stomp also works just fine. Especially if you get a 2x external foot switch, with the new-ish firmware you can have 5 presets with 3 snapshots + tap Tempo each reachable per foot, which is plenty for me.
Helix user here. I was convinced throughout that C would be the Helix for some reason, I was obviously mistaken. The QC certainly had a little something over the others in my opinion. It was either the best, or not far behind.
The trouble with a test like this is that it's very preset author-oriented. Give someone else the responsibility to create presets for the tests and I'm fairly certain you'll get different results. You'd then say apart from some hardware differences that may mean something to you, the big decider is UX and how well you gel with the unit.
I don’t have any of them, but to my ear the helix actually came second overall for me. The QC was clearly a cut above, but apart from that 1 round it won I actually found the sound from the kempler was far behind the other two. Even in the round it won I could hear something I didn’t like deep in the tone.
But yeah, of course, they’re totally subjective. 3 different people trying to replicate the same tone would do it in three totally different ways, and then there’s the nature of the tests. Time and again I see these tests where it’s ‘replicate a classic fender amp’ or a ‘marshal plexi’ - it’s sort of the de facto. But what if that’s not why you’re buying one of these? If you just want a marshal plexi or fender reverb deluxe sound… I mean.. you can literally buy the real thing for less than one of these units if you need the tone that precise.
People use these for all kinds of things, but they’re always reviewed on the basis of their amp models, which I find a bit curious. For example in this video they passed a tube screamer into them… but didn’t test the built in tube screamer models for example.
For me.. they all sound great. The Quad is sooooo easy to use. I own an AXFX3 Turbo and the foot switch and I still prefer the Quad Cortex. I can tweak it anytime anywhere no laptop necessary.
Very surprised how much I liked Helix here. I own QC and HX Stomp, have gigged with both and always end up with better tones on QC (at least amp tones and overdrives, Helix has better verbs, delays and modulations).
I'd consider buying a QC if there was ever a rack version. I have 2x Kempers and an AxeFX III.. so might grab a Helix Rack for some fun next
I preferred the sound of the Helix but I do own the HX Stomp. I thought the Quad Cortex sounded too fizzy and the Kemper was too thin. I primarily use the Helix Native in my recordings but I also own the Bias Amp and FX 2. I've found that the native reverbs in the Helix are vastly superior to the Bias software and I'm a bit miffed that I can't transfer any of the tones I develop in recording to my Spark 40. The reason for the HX Stomp is that I can take the tones I recorded live.
Kudos to tonejunkies. I'm satisfied with all of the sounds. 👌👌
This is hilarious. Nice work lads.
Glad to know the one I preferred is the one I own 😊
Another great video would be comparing the amp models/profiles in the units against the real amps.
I want a Quad Cortex based on the various youtube demos I've seen where someone profiles their amp and it sounds just like it. I haven't played with the Helix, but I have messed around with a friend's Pod Go, which according to all the online information and demos is the same amp models and effects, and sounds the same as the Helix, and it just sounded really bad to me. BUT, I was comparing its amp models to three real amps that I own, a Soldano SLO-100, Mesa Triple Rec, and Peavey 6505. So for someone that has doesn't own or has never experienced playing on the real versions of the amp models in the Helix and Pod Go, they probably sound great. A friend of mine that does have the Helix absolutely loves his unit, but has said that impulse responses are needed to make the amp models sound good.
Helixex weak side is the cab/mic models. But it really slays with IR's.
Now you need to do it all again as Line 6 have just released an update using a load of new IRs to create new Cab models, a new cab engine & extra mic placement options .😁