This Was Way Too Close! - Neural DSP Quad Cortex vs. A Real Amp
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Neural DSP's Quad Cortex has taken the guitar world by storm and was one of the most highly-anticipated new products in recent memory! Acclaimed for its realism, we've tackled the question that all players have been asking since this cutting-edge digital unit was first unveiled. And as you'll find out in our video, the Quad Cortex's "Capture" feature makes it very hard to tell the difference!
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» 2:12 A Quick Comparison
» 3:56 Initial Thoughts
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» 6:28 Rabea with a Les Paul
» 8:05 Back to Clean
» 9:07 The Big Reveal!
» 11:40 How to Create a "Capture" with Rabea
» 14:05 In-The-Room Sounds with the "Trifecta of Tone"
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» 24:45 Does the Low-End Give it Away?
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Victory did a great job of emulating Neural! 😁
Bwahaha
Yeah the victory sounds brill
Uhahahaha
Hello there. This has nothing to do with the video, but I had not watched Andertons for years, and coming back and seeing Rabea looking so good and healthy is amazing ! You look like you're 20 y/o mate.
fat peopl cant catch a break, even after stopping to be fat they still get reminded how they used to look.
I figured it from the jump. The Neural was the the one that sounded exactly like the other one.
Best comment
“Have we got another guitar Rabea can use?” There’s literally 20 guitars next to them
"I am sorry, we don't"
Where do you see other guitars besides the one he’s holding?
@@maidenthe80sla I knew I would get someone lmao of course I see them
@@alowlytarnished5579 Where?
IMO a huge factor in this is that they're both running through the same guitar cab and mic setup. In my head, a poweramp + guitar cab and speaker is a way bigger part in the "real amp sound" than we might all expect.
Great comparison! The QC sounds brilliant.
Yeh, spot on. Even guitar amp simulation on an old hd500 through a good power amp and a good guitar cab will give you very good results. Slightly off topic, but it's the same reason why a lot of hybrid amps with valves in the pre amp section don't sound like valve amps. Most of the magic that we love to hear from an amp actually happens in the power amp.
@@ryanteacher8134 You're right about the power amp thing. It's one reason why I'm kinda sad Line 6 never updated their Spider Valve series - imagine having a whole modeller's worth of tones for the preamp and effects, but with a quartet of real fire-breathing 6L6's through a big beefy output transformer! Unfortunately the preamp emulation wasn't quite there when they released it, so it didn't sound incredible, but I reckon it'd be a total slam-dunk with today's sim technology.
@@ryanteacher8134 They are using the Seymour Duncan PowerStage 700, which is a class D power amp. There are no tubes or transformers.
@@ryanteacher8134 yes! thank you! I have a fender super champ with a digital preamp and tube power amp. brilliant. I've run multi fx through power amps for decades *yikes* and the magic is indeed in the power amp. that's where you get the lower frequency meat that's missing from SS amps.
@@ryanteacher8134 I agree....is better then have a digital preamp and a tube power in amp rather that the other way around.
I think you guys need to introduce the placebo pedal. Lee says he's changed the channel, but it's actually stayed the same. That way we know any perceived difference is just from the expectation of change.. at this point I think it's clear that the sound and feel are near enough the same.
Let's take a moment to thank the unsung hero in this story, the Seymour Duncan PowerStage -- apparently it's absurdly clean and transparent, and let the profiler/modeler sound exactly like the original through an actual cabinet.
I would be nice to hear a comparision of amp hooked thru LB+SD vs amp direct to the speaker.
You guys are all hands down the best reference for hardware out there. You have a great formula going, keep up the great work!!
Instert Top Gear theme. "Today on Andertons: Pete Wears a Canadian tuxedo. Bea covers his eyes. And Lee steps on a button."
Do you guys really think Bea would wear a Hitler shirt? That’s Edgar Allen Poe you geniuses… lol
Poes aren't real, they're an enemy in Zelda Ocarina of time. SO. Jokes on you! Ner nerr
(ps 😂😂😂👍)
Edgar Alan was great, I enjoyed his short stories in High School.
The cult of "muh raycisum" causes an overbearing paranoia, so that everything they see is racist or a boogeyman they've obsessed over like scary "Hitler" is everywhere.
@@disco4535 and it’s done by design…
Captain said it best at the end - no real difference now in sound or feel between these devices and "real" amps, but still nothing wrong with choosing a "real" amp if that's what you prefer
And all the corksniffers coming out to claim they could hear a difference 🤣🤣🤣
If these 3 legends couldn't hear the difference in the room there is no way these commenters can on their phone speakers after CZcams compression
If you really can, take your miracle ears and make megabucks working for an amp/pedal/guitar manufacturer 🤣🤣🤣
Wow I didn't realise how good that Quad was , really enjoyed this vid
The Quad Cortex is a really amazing product. I have been using it since last month, and I have not touched my amps, and plugins since I’ve got it, and captured everything. It is really amazing, how well it can replicate almost every device’s sound.
Happy I held onto my Quad Cortex. Getting hard to tell the differences. They are now pumping out updates on a regular basis and now have a looper!
I think we should all be happy with the results. It just means more options for guitar players as a whole. Neither one is necessarily better than the other in terms of sound or feel; it all depends on a player's preference.
This was a great way to do this. It shows how well the modeling tech is coming along.
Hahaha! Fair played, all!
I’ve been on the fence about selling my Helix and going to the QC but this clinched it.
Also, watching the three of you having so much fun is just infectious
Brilliant video! I’m a long-time guitarist that also uses a Synthstrom Deluge groove box that contains the entire suite of sounds on an SD card. You can just take that to a gig and stick it in any other Deluge. Presumably you can do the same or similar with these? And keep a backup in the cloud or on your phone etc! Mind blowing! Thanks again for a very entertaining and enlightening video! 🤘
Robs got the ear for this sort of thing but if the 3 of them are all over the place on their choices then I think it's a huge hats off to the quad cortex as I know I wouldn't hear any difference. Tech is so amazing at the moment it's really just amazing gear all over at the moment.
I have been using a Strymon iridium since last year. I needed to have a solution for those situations where stage volume, or late night recording, prohibited amp use. I have a beautiful hardwired jtm 45 inspired Reeves that I adore.
The iridium (after loading specific IRs) has become an invaluable tool. It has 99.999999998% of the "feel". The only thing I miss is the air pushing behind me from a cab.
We are truly living in a gear revolution. It's all about being flexible, adaptable to each gig. I'm excited to see what the new digital age has in store.
Not sure why I'm watching this on my phone speakers and trying to hear differences, but here I am. 😂
Great video. The Quad Cortex sounds surprisingly good but it's also in the hands of an excellent player.
I'm Sold, I've been holding off from digital for 8 years because I didn't really like it and I knew they'd perfect it sometime soonish,I'm now satisfied!
I'm 100% getting one of these and dropping my amp collection down to my favourite one for when I fancy a value amp for gigging or just noodling.
Great video 👌🤟
More than close enough in a live setting; I use digital modelers and still have tube and solid state amps; if I needed a new digital modeler, the Quad Cortex would be it, though I'd have to try it for myself first, to be sure.
Nicely done.
I remember watching videos and it was just a given that Bea was most likely in them, so great to see you back man! A bit of nostalgia.
This is insane. The Kemper is amazing and has been since it's inception, but I really think the Quad Cortex cracked the code for modelling an amplifier. The profiling thing is amazing. I'd love to hear them do a detailed series on Kemper/Quad Cortex where they model like 10 highly desired amps like a Plexi/Super Lead, maybe a JCM800, some clean Fender amps. I also wonder if you could make a profile of an amp that you are currently running effects on. I wonder how that would work. Like instead of using the built in effects. This just blows me away. I wish these were cheaper.
"Chief foot switching"
- 'Captain' Lee Anderton, 2021
Got one of these,needs some refining in terms of the cloud ,and lags behind the more mature units in terms of number of amps and effects but that will come with time .It is fantastic sounding and so easy to use .,and the presets are very useable unlike most.
I know you guys are testing the Quad Cortex, but you might have just sold me on the DP40. Sounds fantastic! Great video, guys.
Yes it sounds basically the same, but you get to have as many sounds as you want in one unit. The neural seems like the smarter choice, assuming the emulation works as well on all or most other sounds.
And the axefx is even even better
I love these videos. I think for me I’ve reached the point where I don’t see myself ever needing a tube amp with the technology available. The Quad cortex is absolutely amazing.
@Mark Seymour I’m sort of in the middle, if you have a tube amp you love and need nothing else it’s the way to go, but in the long run having a QC or a Kemper with profiles of a ton of high quality amps is obviously the way to go considering how much affordable that would be.
But the thing I like most about the quad cortex is that it’s not just amazing amp models...it also has amazing effects and it’s all in a beautiful neat little package. Even though it’s kind of expensive I think it’s still way less then buying a head cab and pedalboard setup.
@Mark Seymour So you don't think guitarists in the studio don't reamp?
Great video. I love my QC since I can have so many amps in a 4lb unit. So for the price of the QC it's an awesome deal imo Keep the update coming NDSP!!
Best video in a while and the standard was already high.
Rabea is got a good pair of ears. i think the most important takeaway is that the feel is the same because you always dial in a tone that sounds nice and works, like they said after taking the capture you can tweak it to your taste.
Hey Captain! 🤘 You said right for sure! There's some a bit more presence.
Like someone else posted in a recent video, you should do a shootout of pedals vs multi effects unit!
They likely will not, because selling single pedals gives more revenue. For the same reason we won't see a comparison to software amps / effects on this channel. Why should the promote something which they do not sell?
These blindfold challenges are my absolute favorite
hahahaha it was really fun to see this, great job you do here guys, absolutely insane the QC
We need a full video on Rabea's diet programme. Amazing work dude.
What a great video dudes !!! I had to 😂😂 together on the results. Cheers
19:55 - Pete just casually spitting out raw dangerous audio fire 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 so good ❤️
I’m proud of you bea you look so much healthier!
The captures are very close. That’s pretty incredible.
Morning gents! Great video. I'm listening through my headphones and can't say which I prefer. But I am also not a seasoned player with a trained ear.
No kemper has been harmed in the production of this video 😂.
But many are now for sale haha
@@Paul-D i gues is still a valid machine. I am happy with my GT1000 for now. Waiting for the hype to be over. But Damn, that QC sounds the freaking same.
But definitely hurt 😛
@@chitarrafaidate yeh for sure. Not like the value has flown away either. A friend got one wayyyyy back and i cant believe he could still get back almost what he paid nearly a decade later!!
@@chitarrafaidate it doesnt sound the same, but it sounded DAMN GOOD. And thats the valid point for me.
Both Pete and Bea's faces are priceless when trying to 'hear the difference'. lol
"Mystery Chode" - priceless.
I was hoping you 3 was going to also do a demo of its ability to have 3 guitars in, 3 separated. Settings, 3 outs left Center right and jamed a bit, that would have been a great way to demo its full potential.
It sounds the same (according to my so-so ears and youtube audio stuff), the feel is the same (according to them), the volume pot stuff is even the same. It's incredible how far digital technology has come, I'm so excited for the future of guitar gear.
Ahhhhhh ... had to get me headphones immediately because i thought i could hear some .ome ..me ...e .... ??? .... errrr NO!
This is ridiculously close! .... i'm just puzzled and blown away by the quality of this product and your demo. You absolutely nailed it, guys!!
Fun bonus: seeing Rabea smiling ... he knows how good this is and has his share!
It's so freaking close... I personally feel like the high-end of the Quad Cortex is just a tiny bit flatter when the distortion kicks in AND it's easier to tell when the guitar has humbuckers. For the single-coils and clean tones though, man... I need to go back to ear training!
RABEA! Great to see you on the channel again, man!
They Sound Identical, Lots Of Options On Touring But like Pete said Nothing finer than The Amp In Front Of You. Awesome Video Guys 👍👍🎶🎶🎸
That's the most woolly Vox tone I've ever heard. I know we're listening to the Cortex, but I was looking forward to hearing the Victory Vox style amp.
Getting a kick out of the Kemper sticker on the door (underneath the That Pedal Show sticker) during the 'How to create a "Capture" with Rabea' segment. 😂
The fact there are comparison videos nowadays is testament to how hard it is to buy bad or useless gear anymore. Although I miss the 90's days of Marshall MDFX and a _truly_ awful Digitech RP200, how things have changed is so great.
Wow i really need to catch up with todays tech, that sounded fantastic
Love this, genuine laughter in disbelief when finding out which is which ha! Do QC sell direct to venues with commercial pricing? I feel like that would be a good way to go too.
Haven't checked in for a while...Rabea looking like a million bucks! Way to go, dude.
All this video tells me is that even the professionals can't tell the difference between a modeling unit and a real amp nowadays. The tech has gotten so good that it's minuscule the difference in sound quality and feel. On top of that, even what sounded "artificial," and compressed was the actual tube amp. Great video 👌
The biggest advantage to something like the Quad cortex is... in one moment it can sound so close to a real fender deluxe that you can hardly or not tell the difference at all... then it can turn around and sound like a bogner with the same closeness.. Thats what sets it apart
Would be nice to see you EQ the QC to sound just like the real amp. As once you know the QC had a little more low end, and little less high end, you knew which one was the QC
Picked my QC up from Andertons in the middle of May and can't stop playing with it. It's incredible and so, so easy to get great tones out of it in a couple of taps of the screen. The tone cloud is also excellent. Playing people's captures isnt new, BIAS has been doing it for years, but the quality here is utterly superb. My only problem is the power supply is a 12v 3a NEGATIVE polarity which are incredibly difficult to find unfortunately but I've bought a positive polarity supply and a polarity inverter.
Are there a lot of great captures available online with various amps? The cool thing about the Kemper seemed to be the variety with all the Michael Britt stuff, etc.
@@Guitaural. Tones, yeah. The way to get stuff from the 'tone cloud' to the QC is a little shit at the minute.. it's all on a phone app but there's apparently a desktop editor on the way fairly soon Everything I've wanted to play through I've found a couple of versions of and they generally sound great.
I'm glad to see this reaching the mainstream but also saddened that it took until 2021 for this technology to reach guitarists.
The methods to do this have been around for 6+ years, and it's possible to get an even better match if you allow for more training time (from a product perspective, hats off to Neural for getting the training time down to a few minutes of computation!)
I've had "perfect" neural models from a hobby project a few years back, and since having it in my own hands it's been annoying to hear people continue to claim that there's anything special or intrinsically different about tube amps (including "low end is harder to control" as in this video--it's just not true in any general sense). If anything, I've found that tube amps are _easier_ to fit/"profile"/"capture" than digital amps & software plugins(!), and after using plugins as the target for early tries, it was really surprising when I finally went to analog amps and found out I was doing it "in hard mode"--I expected tube amps to be _more_ challenging!
Thanks for the comparison video. The Quad Cortex does seem like it's the next generation of amp capture tech, though the Kemper still sounds great, as well. I'll probably still just use my tube amps.
That's actually insane. It is now the future
I have an AxeFxIII and got it since its cheaper to have one thing that is close to the sounds of various amps than spending tons of cash buying all these amps. The Quad Cortex is the latest and greatest, but you really can't go wrong with the Kemper, the Cortex, or an AxeFX they are all very good and as processors improve so will these things. Nice to have options and great video guys.
Well, that and the fact that the Axe FX III costs $3,900 and the QC costs $2,700 they are sort of pricing themselves out of the market. You'd think for a product made in China with a $50 DSP chip they could get the price of the Axe FX a little more affordable!
@@vaughanmacegan4012 not sure where you see it for that much, its $2,300 on the shop.fractalaudio.com/ site. The bundle with the foot controller is $2,900, but regardless I think these things come down to support and these companies are doing the right thing with constant updates to keep their products relevant.
Crazy this is. I heard the same thing they did. Rabea sounded more compressed with the dsp and pete sounded more compressed with the Vic. I thought Pete had lost his mid until they switched back to him. Even when Lee was playing the Vic sounded louder and more open.
These guys are good salesman! Anderson’s Music is lucking to have them. 😜
This was the greatest video you guys need to make more like this I laughed the whole time and it needs to be you three it’s always better when you got the three stooges together
There seem to me to be subtleties to the percussive quality of the pick and hand noise against the strings that make any difference between the two. The amp seems to respond more to the actual striking of the pick on the strings.
I really want to see comparisons videos between pickups. Like a MIM Strat with Seymour Duncan SSL-1’s in it or something like that. There is a ton of pickup choices out there and a lot of us folk buy a cheaper guitar but upgrade part, it would be really interesting to see a MIM Strat with upgrades vs a true custom shop…or similar. I’m just saying that comparisons as it’s the first that comes to mind.
After doing a 9000hr video on amp speaker comparisons I would like to see pickups!
Just ordered a qc from andertons a little earlier this evening. Cant wait until it arrives
With the speakers at home there is a tiny, tiny difference in sound. But I can't tell which is the real amp and the capture.
I own the real Victory VC35 and a Quad Cortex and with my own captures I have a very difficult time telling a difference. Doesn't matter if they are going to my Fryette PS-100 + real cab or into cab sims.
@@kasakka Thanks for the extra info. I was thinking of getting the QC, I still have to try it for myself. I don't care about the small tonal differences, but I really care how it responds to my touch, and my volume knob.
@@kasakka do you have the capture uploaded to the cloud?
Pete really has great ears, if he can’t tell I don’t think I’ll be able to. But to me it’s the high gain amps I can generally tell
Great to see Rabea on the show again
I heard they made a mistake on the captions and the Dane was right every single time!!
1:14 mystery chode
First two comparisons had me hearing the nural sounding thin compared to the actual victory Amp ✌️
Getting one of these from you very shortly 😀
Why haven't we seen Pete's purple Silver Sky used to demo?!
Its insanely accurate. Amazing
Rabea always super into the whole modeling stuff... not a fan, but is the future for sure... well done
hope in the next compare vid you guys will use looper so there are no different pick attack, notes, and chords, as a 40 something man with only trust on tubes, I'll buy quad cortex or helix or kemper, I think the tech is getting better and better, time to learn guys 😎
fabulous test guys! Have you made these capture available on the cloud?
Dont know what to think about this video. They all sounded good, but they dont sounded the same.
What Im damn sure, that Bea with that Les Paul and Dane sounded heavenly into any of those
Only just started the video but in this first section I can hear a clear difference between them with the Victory having more depth and low end. Less so with distortion on. At times it is hard to tell but I think it's been very close with these comparisons even since the first Axe FX and Kemper release days.
Rabea looks so good, well done on lifestyle changes
Definitely, I love it. And his smile radiates wellbeing
Recording - keep your tube amp in the recording studio.
Touring - Model your tube amp into the Quad Cortex, and just bring that.
Yeah, live i think most people that aren't super huge could save so much time and money getting any nice modeler.
Lees actually really good at spotting the difference
I have the impression of having already seen this kind of video with the same impressions of not being able to say where is the real amp and where is the profiler! But it was the Kemper! I have the impression that there is nothing new with this machine except maybe a more practical interface .....
I will personally continue to work with my Kemper!
The thing for me is this, the Kemper is good, but, seeing other videos it seems that the QC makes slightly better profiles, and that are more usable in that they are more tweakable from the base profile. If you already have a Kemper there is no need to change, BUT, if you are new to the game the QC being cheaper might be the option to go for! It's the days of the Axe FX - being over $1,300 dollars more than the QC, and $1,100 more than the Kemper- that are numbered.
To make a fair comparison the tube amp with the dsp in front should be way louder (power amp) then the comparible full tube channelpath. The sound level (to match) should be set on the dsp. Because it emulates pre and post.
If you don’t the dsp will essentially allways hit two power amps and will have a slight tube compression. The full tube path will then seem better because the wave sounds less compressed. And thus ‘not digital’.
The amp was brighter and more open but dynamic to attack, different when in the room I'm sure but I can absolutely hear the difference with monitors and studio cans on. I get it is fun to see how the compare but realistically, when recording or live you are not going to be able to tell these minute differences. Kemper, QC, AXE or whatever, they all do a fantastic job for what they do. Is its a Ford-Chevy-Dodge thing? I love the fact that tech is continuing to push forward but I do not think this is ground breaking enough for me. My opinion, I have settled on the Kemper and it will need to be something more to get me to move on.
Wow, Rabea looks great!
Are these captures available on the cloud for us? I would be delighted!
Not on Rabea's profile, at least. 😪
I've currently got a VG-99, Kemper, Fuchs TDS 50w combo, S-Gear 3, Neural DSP Tone King Imperial Mk2, BIAS Amp, Bias FX2 - but I tell ya, my GAS is liking this new toy.
Lee has some of the most recognizable touch. He can make any guitar sound like "Lee."
The time for resisting our digital overlords is over. Time to integrate and appreciate the new tech.
Plot twist - whole vid there was only one sound with no changes or switching.
“If you like the look of an amp...” Then stick a Quad Cortex & power amp into an empty amp chassis. 🙂 Seriously, I don’t think it means nobody uses a tube amp anymore. (Somebody has to do the captures. 🙂) But it is nice to not feel like you’re compromising when you do choose the benefits of the digital option. (And lots of us have been happy enough with the digital versions for some time already.) What is really interesting is what happens when we explore what we can now do with these models in the digital domain. Like how Boss has applied their MDP approach to their digital amp emulations.
Hopefully Pete does Kemper vs Cortex video? I know Bea did one but be interested in Pete’s take on it too