Decolonizing the Muslim Mind with Professor Joseph Lumbard

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  • čas přidán 13. 06. 2024
  • Islam and the Challenge of Epistemic Sovereignty: www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/15/4/4...
    Decolonizing Qurʾanic Studies: www.mdpi.com/2077-1444/13/2/176

Komentáře • 416

  • @ieltstutor9644
    @ieltstutor9644 Před měsícem +436

    I can feel a new Muslim wave of new reverts in the western world because of Paul’s incredible choice of guests.

    • @johnbrzykcy3076
      @johnbrzykcy3076 Před měsícem +22

      Respectfully, I also appreciate the "incredible choice of guests" on Blogging Theology.
      However it's not the "choice of guests" which will necessarily influence me to accept Islam. If Islam is Truth, then God Himself is able to open up my heart to accept this truth. I respect many of the scholars, but emphasis on knowledge alone seems to neglect the significance of the psychological and emotional factors which support our faith.
      That's my perspective so I could be wrong. Respectfully from Florida USA

    • @hishamtomsah
      @hishamtomsah Před měsícem +7

      ​​​@@johnbrzykcy3076
      Hello
      Indeed psychology has an important role in deciding between truth and falasy. But again truth and falasy are what we are we talking about here. Lastly in this segment we believe that guidance, despite being towards truth, is from god. If you believe in him then i believe one shud ask him sincerely.
      But if not, ur -first mind then heart- is up to a great challenge. And the prove ur sincerety in front of him with sincere unbiased pursuit of truth.

    • @altonsafe
      @altonsafe Před měsícem +14

      I’m one! In the west coast of the states as well. Paul truly helped me become more educated on Islam and it’s rich history.

    • @DestinyAwaits19
      @DestinyAwaits19 Před měsícem

      @@altonsafe The only thing you need to know about islam is that its prophet was a warlord.

    • @TheFaro2011
      @TheFaro2011 Před měsícem +5

      I definitely feel there's a revival of scholarship. Never forget how intelligent and resourceful Palestinian are/were and how they've been targeted willfully to ensure there would be no progress in the ummah.

  • @alib7489
    @alib7489 Před měsícem +354

    Two white convert brothers, both incredibly bright and knowledgeable and most importantly sincere, are defending the Islamic civilization. This is a minor miracle in itself. Jazakallah Khair as always Paul.

    • @user-qg5md3pe9v
      @user-qg5md3pe9v Před měsícem

      Islam came to destroy tribalism and ethnocentrism. 20% of the Arab population are Christians. .

    • @DestinyAwaits19
      @DestinyAwaits19 Před měsícem

      There is no miracle. They're both washed up old grandpas. Islam is declining. It doesn't have the strength to defeat the modern world.

    • @hassanmirza2392
      @hassanmirza2392 Před měsícem +2

      Good times 😊

    • @End_Zionism
      @End_Zionism Před měsícem +7

      I understand this comment is in good faith and good intention BUT it is not good to continuously call people converts/reverts. These two reverted so long ago they’ve been Muslim longer than many Muslims in the comments section have even been alive. Not to mention, all the sahaba were converts, but we don’t call them converts. We just call them Muslims because that’s what they are. Furthermore, white is classically defined as: Middle East, North Africa, and Europe. Also, there are European countries that have been Muslim majorities or have had significant Muslim populations and cultural influence for several centuries: Russia, Turkey, Croatia, Bulgaria, Albania, Macedonia, Kosovo, Montenegro, Bosnia, and even Spain (although Spain’s inquisition really put a damper on things there). We need to stop dividing Muslims into “born” or “revert” and we ESPECIALLY need to stop dividing Muslims based on western conceptualization of “race” because Islam forbids it. And Allah knows best. Salam.

    • @user-qg5md3pe9v
      @user-qg5md3pe9v Před měsícem

      @@End_Zionism And Europe (a Phoenician princess) means "Arab"...

  • @aniadz1
    @aniadz1 Před 28 dny +13

    Most muslims from post colonial countries have been beaten down and subjugated for many decades to bow down to Western culture and white supremacy. Thanks to you Paul and your wonderful guests For bringing up important issues like these. . Thank you for your wonderful uplifting work.

  • @naito90
    @naito90 Před měsícem +59

    As a Middle Eastern I have always strongly felt what you are saying. People here have internalized colonialism, western thought and traditions though, for the most part, they aren't aware of it. Thank you for shedding light on this. I really wish more Muslims would understand this.

    • @Michael-Archonaeus
      @Michael-Archonaeus Před měsícem

      The most effective way to convince someone of something is to make them think that they came up with it themselves.
      That is how Western propaganda mostly works, it uses brainwashing techniques to sow little seeds in people's minds, which, provided they are consistently provided with the necessary fertilizers, will grow into fully formed ideas. It is done on a massive scale through Hollywood and the music industry!

    • @zahramahde2096
      @zahramahde2096 Před měsícem

      (بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم)
      لا قلق فان الله وعدنا ، وقال في كتابه العزيز انا له لحافظون ؟
      انها غيمه وطالت بعض الوقت علينا لكن وعد الله حق .
      الم تقرأ يوما سوره البقره بتمعن عندما يقول سبحانه وتعالى
      هذا الكتاب لاريب فيه هدى للعالمين ...في اول ايه من سوره البقره
      لابد لليل ان ينجلي ...وكل شي بحسبان .
      انظر الى العالم باسره كيف التقى على ماءده الانترنيت ؟ واصبح التواصل غريب عجيب .

    • @abrarhameem1000
      @abrarhameem1000 Před měsícem +3

      The case is similar in South Asia also.

  • @applemacud5832
    @applemacud5832 Před měsícem +55

    Always praying for billions of reverts to Islam all over the world. Ameen ya rabbul alameen.

  • @JeanSparrow
    @JeanSparrow Před měsícem +28

    What an inspiring interview! Thank you, Paul, for inviting yet another amazing guest. As a white woman raised in the Christian tradition, I feel a deep sadness that Islam has not enriched my understanding of the world. Your channel really helps me to understand the narrowness and absurd racism I have lived with for too long.

    • @Mika-pd9jw
      @Mika-pd9jw Před měsícem

      ❤❤❤🤲🏻🤲🏻🤲🏻🤲🏻

  • @usamaizm
    @usamaizm Před měsícem +78

    I used to wonder 💭 why western academia hadn’t stumbled upon the truths in Islam ☪️. But now it all makes sense.

    • @liftedmarco4976
      @liftedmarco4976 Před měsícem

      Probably because the Quran is insanely easy to disprove as factual. Muslims used to think the Sun orbited Earth and that’s in the Quran. He placed the moon and Sun in their orbits, meaning around Earth, which they taught until Copernicus.

    • @muhammadamirhamzah6477
      @muhammadamirhamzah6477 Před 29 dny +3

      ​​@@liftedmarco4976 nowhere did it mention the sun revolving around Earth, but we do know the sun is moving around in its own orbit around the center of our galaxy

    • @Ujithekuji
      @Ujithekuji Před 19 dny

      ​@liftedmarco4976 smat Alec, the earth 🌎 also rotates around it's own axis to give day and night. This is in addition to rotating around the sun. That is why Quran needs to be read with reflection and not as a novel to truly understand it, and each time one reads it, they realize something new that escaped them before

    • @liftedmarco4976
      @liftedmarco4976 Před 19 dny

      @@Ujithekuji that has nothing to do with the line “He has placed the Sun and the Moon in their orbits” clearly implying around the Earth but go ahead and bury your head to defend a book written to trick people

    • @DevastationMtrsports
      @DevastationMtrsports Před 15 dny

      ​@@liftedmarco4976Do did Christians. In fact Christians improsoned heretics that though of heleocentrism like Copernicus

  • @iqbalkh313
    @iqbalkh313 Před měsícem +66

    Mashallah wonderful...there is no doub in my mind Islam revival is coming back soon ..the chains of colonialism of Muslim mind are on the way to be shattered ...truly what Allah and his prophet has said is true.

    • @DestinyAwaits19
      @DestinyAwaits19 Před měsícem

      The Islamic revival already happened. It happened in the secular Middle East in the 1970s. The 2nd revival is taking place in the modern Western pro LGBTQ society we live in. But try as you may, you will not defeat and overcome the West. The opposite will happen. Throughout history whenever the old and the modern clashed the modern always won out.

  • @drmansourmalik9909
    @drmansourmalik9909 Před měsícem +41

    Excellent discussion about a very important subject .Thank you Paul for your great positive work. Thanks for Prof Dr Joseph to bring up this topic

  • @husniolama8283
    @husniolama8283 Před měsícem +25

    I am really astonished at Mr. William's way of subject-selection, scholar selection, and the presentation timing. Selecting subjects that every "deep diving" researcher knows, but never thinks about tackling them. As always, thank you BT for job well done, and thank you Prof. Lumbard for great article.

  • @pindigheb100
    @pindigheb100 Před měsícem +21

    Dr Lumbard , has raised a very serious issue , albeit true, of how western thought has penetrated the cultures of muslim nations.
    The term “coloniality” aptly describes the malaise afflicting muslim thought processes today.

  • @ismailshafeeu4802
    @ismailshafeeu4802 Před měsícem +9

    Even my English is not good enough to follow this discussion but I love what I am understanding
    Much love from Maldives for both of you sir

  • @victorquebec5929
    @victorquebec5929 Před měsícem +9

    I was literally both crying and applauding Brother Joseph for his courage and determination to put the truth as it is, and actually slap on my face and the face of so-called Muslims that lack of it. The last 10 minutes were particularly insightful and eye-opening. Thank you, Brother Paul, for inviting so missed and frank-to-the-core intellectuals who insha'Allah will re-ignite our hearts and minds to embrace our religion even more! May Allah be pleased with your endeavors!

  • @ahmaduahmed8760
    @ahmaduahmed8760 Před měsícem +13

    This is a very good eye opener for us. Thank you both, and may Allah bless you abundantly. You see we have problems when they say you Muslims have taken faith as the basis of all knowledge, which is not really true, knowledge is the basis of our faith. You can't have true faith without true knowledge (ilmul haqq).

  • @haseebsaadat8267
    @haseebsaadat8267 Před měsícem +24

    Paul - you are doing a great service. Amazing. Love your videos!

  • @salamatunnafiah9033
    @salamatunnafiah9033 Před měsícem +16

    Thank you very much, Paul..... I am Indonesian who has been brought up with the "Islamic traditionalist paradigm", and has had the opportunity to learn at a UK university where I learned about the source of knowledge of the Western intellectual tradition. I had that dilemma when I started doubting my own research because I was not in fact confident in the method and had lost its meaning. I've read the works of Nasr and it really inspired me to re-learn about Islam in a traditional way. this discussion really articulates my previous concern perfectly. I also feel that many Indonesian Islamic universities mostly follow Western paradigms, which makes me think that traditional schools should be saved at all costs!

    • @okfine_33
      @okfine_33 Před měsícem

      Muslims are not at all thinking out of the box ...which is the main reason we feel inferior

    • @Rasyad95
      @Rasyad95 Před 28 dny

      Mba, izin tanya. Boleh dikasih tau contohnya research "in a traditional way" itu seperti apa? Thanks in advance

    • @salamatunnafiah9033
      @salamatunnafiah9033 Před 27 dny +2

      @@Rasyad95 mungkin yg bagian re-learn Islam in a traditional way ya? Soalnya aku ngga nyebut research in a traditional way.... maksudnya utk belajar Islam dg cara klasik sama guru/syaikh, yg gurunya bukan cuma academically expert, tapi juga sebagai practitioner... kaya di pesantren atau majlis2 gitu, katanya di Al Azhar masih nerapin.... sebagai kebalikan dari paradigma Barat yg mempelajari Islam hanya sebagai pengetahuan budaya, gaya orientalis gitu...

    • @Rasyad95
      @Rasyad95 Před 23 dny

      @@salamatunnafiah9033 oh ya betul, saya salah nangkep di sana. Syukran sharingnya

  • @MillhouseSpeaks
    @MillhouseSpeaks Před měsícem +38

    Should be a fascinating and insightful listen

  • @buypalmerchandise1683
    @buypalmerchandise1683 Před měsícem +14

    I truely love the part where Joseph starts to discuss about the point ‘using the Quran to understand the current monetary system, economics’.
    One thing I believe, that the Quran explains itself. It does not need other source to understand it. Profound, I appreciate this podcast

  • @patience600
    @patience600 Před měsícem +42

    As-salamu alaykoum Brother Paul.
    The main challenge on the way to the 'decolonisation' of the Muslim mind nowadays is the deliberalisation of the Muslims who think being liberal equals being pro-LGBT, while in fact the vocabulary of even the so-called anti-liberal Muslims is full of liberal concepts.
    For example, the Prophet ﷺ never complained that non-Muslims are islamophobes who don't like us, while such rhetoric is accepted by the majority of contemporary Muslims.
    Another example is the numerous Muslims who talk about the on-going conflict in leftist anti-imperialist terms, rather than in Islamic eschatological ones.
    There are also Muslims who appeal to international law and international community, as if there is a source which guides Muslims to put their trust on the liberal world order.
    And the list goes on and on.
    As-salamu alaykoum.

    • @DestinyAwaits19
      @DestinyAwaits19 Před měsícem

      The liberal world order is here to stay. Let's get that straight. Islam is not going to replace modernity. The Modern world will crush islam into the grave. I don't agree with LGBTQ ideology either. But I like beautiful women, a cold beer and good music. You're not going to take that away from us.

    • @lchig0
      @lchig0 Před měsícem +1

      Could you elaborate on viewing the current conflict in Islamic eschatological terms? As in, one may see modern day state of Israel as a sign of the end of times? If so, does this mean the only hope for the Palestinians is the arrival of the Mahdi?

    • @fatinathirahshuhaimi5617
      @fatinathirahshuhaimi5617 Před měsícem

      @@lchig0 I wasn't a student of Islamic eschatological view until Oct 7 happened. My brain was wrecked until I found an explanation from Syeikh Imran Hosein. Not a lot of people could reach such spiritual height to be able to dismantle such ominous world movement. However to simply wait Mahdi arrival and not resisting is not how Muslim should act. Resistance still has to keep going.. in any way possible. Boycott, denormalization of Isnreal ties etc.
      To explain the whole eschatology here would only invite the misunderstanding. So I'd suggest you to go either listen to Syeikh Imran's lectures or read his main book, Jerusalem in Quran.

    • @lchig0
      @lchig0 Před měsícem +2

      @@fatinathirahshuhaimi5617 Imran Hosein is known to espouse extremely controversial views. Dr Shadee El Masry did an entire podcast on how he mixes Hadiths and modern geopolitics as a problematic methodology not taken by majority of scholars. However, I don’t see anything unique in the eschatological sense about October 7, especially in comparison to the past century. I’d much rather prefer listening to Sami Hamdi’s political analysis where the events are part of a broader picture of Israel fast normalising ties with surrounding Arab countries to the detriment of the Palestinians.

    • @lchig0
      @lchig0 Před měsícem

      @@fatinathirahshuhaimi5617 czcams.com/users/live5XM_uOpcre0?si=1XSCkV4V39Sp0L9v

  • @TheFaro2011
    @TheFaro2011 Před měsícem +16

    I am so GLAD we're discussing the validity of western education. As someone who has gone through it, and can see the plot holes.....this was amazing

  • @cabdijaamac8489
    @cabdijaamac8489 Před měsícem +5

    “BLOGGING THEOLOGY” IS A WONDERFUL HIGHLY ACADEMIC PLATFORM.
    THANKS A LOT BROTHER PAUL YOUR PROGRAM IS SO PROFOUND AND BEYOND IMAGINATION. ALLAH BLESS YOU AND YOUR GUESTS.

  • @abdulkaderalsalhi557
    @abdulkaderalsalhi557 Před měsícem +21

    A very interesting discussion about a very important issue. The human-Mind is very susceptible for "delusion" and "colonization". Well done Dr. Lumbard, and well done BT.

  • @abdurrazzak2970
    @abdurrazzak2970 Před měsícem +33

    May Allah Bless and Reward Both of You in this Life and in the Hereafter.

  • @RosewiththornsRWT
    @RosewiththornsRWT Před měsícem +26

    Mash'Allah, a thought-provoking conversation with my fellow Muslim-American, Joseph Lumbard 👍

  • @BashDeCash
    @BashDeCash Před měsícem +7

    MaashaaAllaah! This is a fantastic discussion that every Muslim needs to see. Thanks to you both Bro Paul and Bro Joseph. We are proud of your knowledge. May Allaah increase and reward your knowledge.

  • @hush7514
    @hush7514 Před měsícem +2

    As a Pakistani, I love these brothers.
    I’ve been watching Paul host these interviews for a little while now and he is so humble and has such an angelic vibe. Very proud of our European brothers.

  • @makemeup_nihel
    @makemeup_nihel Před měsícem +20

    An excellent title choice 👌🏻May our umma wakes up & unifies again 🤲🏻

    • @user-kx1tf4vx1i
      @user-kx1tf4vx1i Před měsícem

      امين ونصيحه لك ان تغيري صورتك

  • @tariqyousaf9542
    @tariqyousaf9542 Před měsícem +21

    Mashallah, professor Joseph is so spot on with education system in Muslim countries.

  • @AbdulJabbar-cw6fc
    @AbdulJabbar-cw6fc Před měsícem +19

    Incredible... a really eye opening discussion and insights. Thank you to both of you.

  • @BedouinTravels
    @BedouinTravels Před měsícem +9

    I wish these interviews had Arabic subtitles. Wealth of information.

  • @widnmbodken
    @widnmbodken Před měsícem +10

    Definitely one of the best BT videos of all time. such interesting ideas. I really liked the bart erhman example you brought and dr.lumbard's enthusiastic response to the closing question

  • @mrsphinx1981
    @mrsphinx1981 Před měsícem +4

    Asalam alaykom and thank you brothers for this enlightening and hugely important conversation. This is a critical topic to understand today for modern Muslims. I would stongly recommend reading Islam and Secularism by Syed Muhammad Naquib Al-Attas, it is readily available online in pdf format if one struggles to get their hands on a hard copy. He covers the history of this topic in rich detail but in a chapter of this book he words it as "The Dewesternisation of Knowledge".
    Jazakom Allah khayran

    • @jelumbard
      @jelumbard Před měsícem +2

      That book is cited in the paper being discussed

  • @noparley9256
    @noparley9256 Před měsícem +5

    Another absolute gem of a video. May Allah accept this good deed from you two and may he enter you among the righteous.

  • @IbnThabitVerlag
    @IbnThabitVerlag Před měsícem +3

    This is one of the most mind-blowing talks I've ever seen! What brother Joseph said about putting death dates behind certain thinker's names at 9:05 was just... WOW! Really proves the point how language shapes reality subhanAllah and it reminds me so much of the book "Babel"...

  • @abed7922
    @abed7922 Před měsícem +2

    Jazaakallah kheiran both of you brother Paul and Dr Lambert. One Ummah One vision.

  • @jelumbard
    @jelumbard Před měsícem +7

    Thank you Paul for excellent questions and picking the salient passages from the article to discuss. Jazākallāh khayran.

  • @FiveRivers.
    @FiveRivers. Před měsícem +5

    One of the best videos on blogging theology!

  • @shamim1587
    @shamim1587 Před měsícem +16

    Highly recommend; Way of Muhammad

    • @DestinyAwaits19
      @DestinyAwaits19 Před měsícem

      The way of Muhammad is marrying 6 year old children and assasinating people in their beds. That is no man of God.

  • @khalilahmadrahimi4171
    @khalilahmadrahimi4171 Před měsícem +1

    I am really happy to see such scholars researching, speaking and spreading knowledge, peace and truth.
    Brother Paul, brother Joseph I thank you heartily and wish you all the best.

  • @Checkmate025
    @Checkmate025 Před měsícem +3

    This topic is very much needed by the ummah and the youth specially. Many thanks for you Sir and for your esteemed guest.

  • @nawafdreams
    @nawafdreams Před měsícem +6

    🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
    00:03 *🤖 Introduction to Professor Joseph Lumbard and his work*
    - Professor Joseph Lumbard is introduced, highlighting his background in Islamic studies, Sufism, and Quranic studies.
    - His current research focuses on the development of epistemologies in Islam.
    01:11 *🧠 The central argument of Lumbard's article "Islam and the Challenge of Epistemic Sovereignty"*
    - The article provides a profound analysis of the intellectual state of the Muslim world, which Lumbard believes has been largely taken over by epistemologies hostile to the classical Islamic tradition.
    - Lumbard argues that many Muslims have surrendered the grounds of intellectuality to the secular humanist and scientistic worldview, leading to an epistemic inferiority.
    - This epistemic inferiority prevents Muslims from defining themselves in accordance with classical Islamic principles, and instead they try to define their traditions in ways that fit the modern epistemology.
    02:30 *🛡️ The concept of "epistemic inferiority" and its implications*
    - Lumbard explains that the central argument of his article is that many discussions among Muslims today come from a position of "epistemic inferiority," where they do not define themselves in accordance with classical Islamic principles.
    - Instead, there is a tendency to try to define Islamic traditions in ways that fit the modern epistemology, which comes from a position of "hermeneutical Gloom or hermeneutical inferiority."
    - This disservice not only to Islam but to the world, as the Prophet was sent as a mercy to all the worlds, and it is the duty of the Muslim ummah to help develop societies where Islamic principles can bring a better life for all of humanity.
    04:30 *💀 The concept of "epistemicide" and its meaning*
    - Lumbard explains the term "epistemicide," which he borrows from Boaventura de Sousa Santos, referring to the elimination of entire ways of knowing and entire cultures of knowing.
    - This not only refers to the principles of knowledge, but also the manner in which that knowledge is put into action, which is being removed and redefined.
    - Lumbard argues that in Islam, we have a deeply-based textual tradition and an emphasis on the preservation of those traditions, which allows us to potentially recover that entire ecosystem of knowledge from the pre-modern era.
    07:57 *🌍 The framing of Muslim voices within Western discourse*
    - Lumbard discusses how Western discourse often allows Muslim voices to articulate themselves, but it is very much framed within a humanist universe, where the Muslim view becomes an artifact in a Western museum.
    - This denies the Muslim's own universe of meaning, metaphysics, and ontology, effectively committing an "epistemic murder" by taking away the whole universe of meaning.
    - The reality is that many of the voices in the Islamic tradition, such as Al-Ghazali and Rumi, are still living and treasured in the Muslim world, rather than being relegated to the status of historical artifacts.
    10:38 *🌐 The concepts of colonialism and coloniality*
    - Lumbard explains the difference between colonialism and coloniality, with colonialism referring to the physical control and domination of a territory, and coloniality referring to the ongoing mechanisms that keep the hierarchy of the departing colonial power in place.
    - Coloniality is often maintained through the control of knowledge production, where the mechanisms of knowledge production are used to define culture, labor, and the hierarchy of knowledge itself.
    - This is evident in the establishment of Western universities and satellite campuses in the Muslim world, which often push Western cultural agendas and deny the legitimacy of Islamic epistemologies.
    16:59 *🆚 The requirement for Muslims to adhere to the Western epistemic paradigm*
    - Lumbard quotes his own article, stating that Muslims, especially those in the "vaunted halls of Academia," must adhere to the system that recognizes the epistemic sovereignty of the secular, Euro-American paradigm if they are to gain recognition or even be heard within it.
    - He provides examples of how this plays out in academia, where Muslim scholars working in fields like Quranic studies are often required to cite Western authors and downplay or even deny the relevance of the classical Islamic intellectual tradition.
    - This reflects the entrenched assumption of Western epistemic hegemony, where non-Western epistemologies are seen as fit only for investigation and analysis, but not as valid frameworks for understanding the world or critiquing the dominant Eurocentric epistemologies.
    24:46 *💼 Debates within Islamic intellectual traditions*
    - Lumbard discusses the ongoing debate between Asharis and Maturidis on the role of reason and revelation.
    - He argues that the idea of philosophy being "killed" or "severely curtailed" by al-Ghazali is a misconception, as there were thinkers who criticized al-Ghazali for being too rationalist.
    - Lumbard provides examples of how various Islamic thinkers, like Fakhr al-Din al-Razi, embraced rationalism within an Islamic framework.
    28:10 *🌍 The paradox of scholars condemning colonialism while being epistemologically committed to it*
    - Lumbard explains how some scholars in the Euro-American academy remain epistemologically committed to the structures of colonialism and imperialism that they condemn morally and politically.
    - This manifests in the ways they approach and frame the study of non-Western traditions, such as Islam, often from a position that denies the validity of the tradition's own self-understanding.
    - The establishment of the Euro-American academy was meant to define the "Rest" in terms that worked for the West and contain them, which has been more difficult with the robustness of Islamic intellectual traditions.
    35:14 *🔍 A specific example of the epistemological framing of the Quran*
    - Lumbard discusses a recent tweet by Professor Bart Ehrman, a biblical scholar, in which he claims the Quran's authors had no independent information about Jesus and simply learned from earlier Christian sources.
    - Lumbard argues that Ehrman's statement denies the Quran's own ontological claims about itself as divine revelation, ignoring the Muslim understanding and the Quran's own self-description.
    - This reflects the default secular, historical-critical methodology that dominates the Western academy, which Lumbard sees as a form of epistemic hegemony that brushes aside the Quran's metaphysical and epistemological uniqueness.
    40:01 *🧠 Challenging the secular assumptions underlying Western academic approaches*
    - Lumbard argues that the secular tradition will challenge the "unsubstantiated hypotheses" of those outside its frame, while not examining its own underlying assumptions and hypotheses, which are taken as postulates.
    - He suggests that the entire secular frame can be challenged, as the postulates it adopts are based on a post-Enlightenment philosophical worldview that needs to be fundamentally questioned.
    - Lumbard criticizes the "metaphysics of no metaphysics" that claims neutrality while actually operating with its own unexamined metaphysical assumptions and hierarchies of knowledge.
    45:38 *🔍 Practical ways to counter epistemic colonization*
    - Lumbard suggests that Muslims need to stop subjugating themselves and bowing down to the idol of Western supremacy, both within Muslim-majority countries and in the West.
    - He criticizes the establishment of Western-style institutions of higher learning in the Muslim world, which are designed to create a ruling class that adopts Western paradigms.
    - Lumbard argues that Muslims have been strategically inept in how they engage with the West, often attacking each other's projects rather than supporting them in a more coordinated, strategic manner.
    49:02 *💰 Funding chairs of Islamic studies at Western universities*
    - Lumbard criticizes the practice of wealthy Muslims funding chairs of Islamic studies at Western universities without proper conditions.
    - He provides an example of a university that tried to hire a professor of Quranic studies who didn't even know Arabic, until the donor intervened.
    50:37 *🏫 The need for Muslim-led institutions of higher learning*
    - Lumbard notes the lack of a major body that funds scholarships for Muslims to pursue projects within Islamic studies, as opposed to Western-led foundations.
    - He argues that Muslim-majority places like Doha have the resources and expertise to establish their own institutions of higher learning to advance Islamic epistemologies.
    52:11 *🔮 The potential for a positive future*
    - Lumbard concludes on a positive note, stating that there is nothing really stopping Muslims from making the necessary steps to decolonize the Muslim mind.
    - He suggests that the ingredients for success are already there, in terms of resources, expertise, and administrative experience within the Muslim world.
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  • @-Imran-Ali
    @-Imran-Ali Před měsícem +9

    Thank you both. We are in an epistemic war - we didn't seek it, nor are many of us even aware of it. Keep learning, knowledge is our artillery, check out Nelson Maldonado-Torres on Coloniality, referenced at 14:30, Allahu akbar

  • @zak992
    @zak992 Před měsícem +2

    Blown away by these two amazing western muslims, with people like this Islam is in safe hands and has an amazing future inshallah

  • @SabahatQuadri
    @SabahatQuadri Před měsícem +3

    Insightful show, and a topic that I'm really interested in right now. Thank you for the links to Mr Lumbard's article!

  • @shaimaadoma
    @shaimaadoma Před měsícem +7

    This conversation is such an eye-opener! Thank you so much for sharing these concepts with us and raising our awareness. 🙏

  • @mahastikia9676
    @mahastikia9676 Před měsícem +4

    A real mind opening talk. Thank you!

  • @russB0B
    @russB0B Před měsícem +4

    Very Very interesting watch and on a topic ive never even thought of before. Great talk.

  • @Days6281
    @Days6281 Před měsícem +1

    This was a particularly fascinating and interesting conversation. I really loved it. Thank you Paul. I hope you can host Prof. Lumbard again in the future.

  • @sairalakho8029
    @sairalakho8029 Před měsícem +1

    Maashallah amazing brother Paul
    A very enlightening discussion
    Since the destruction of our caring guardian and shield the khilafah we have been defenseless orphans for more than 100 years.
    Muslims were global leaders in the diverse fields of politics, military, economy and education.
    Without our guardian,we were weakened through division into more than 50 states and their rulers are loyal to the cprrupt colonialist world order and systems.
    It is the time fr bringing bak islam and its ruling system
    The second khaleefa Umar(may Allah be pleased with him) said
    "We were a humiliated people but Allah honored us with Islam.No matter how much we sought honor in other than islam,Allah would humiliate us"
    So the last of the Ummah will not be reformed except by what the first of it was reformed with inshaAllah

  • @kb4432
    @kb4432 Před měsícem +14

    Mashallah A great discussion. We as muslims need to lose this inferiority complex.

  • @arios5533
    @arios5533 Před měsícem +6

    Its such an important topic brothers thank you for this . May allah bless both of you

    • @jelumbard
      @jelumbard Před měsícem +2

      May Allāh bless you as well.

  • @simplyhuman2213
    @simplyhuman2213 Před měsícem +10

    I love these 2

  • @hassanmirza2392
    @hassanmirza2392 Před měsícem +7

    Very nice Paul. Prof. Joseph Lumbard is amazing 🎉

  • @Zeee530
    @Zeee530 Před měsícem +1

    Excellent, this is now one of my favorite BT episodes, fantastic guest and analysis.

  • @budidayaberuk6144
    @budidayaberuk6144 Před 29 dny +1

    Indonesian here. What this discussion describes is truly felt here. Especially in educational institutions.

  • @elshazlio
    @elshazlio Před 6 dny +1

    Very enlightening discussion with a well-read guest

  • @islaminhistory
    @islaminhistory Před měsícem +1

    Thank you for presenting Professor Joseph Lumbard. The explanations are very enlightening. You two are amazing. May God bless you both

  • @ninamimi1381
    @ninamimi1381 Před 25 dny +3

    amazing guest!!! thank you

  • @marmes868
    @marmes868 Před 19 dny +1

    SubhanAllah,may Allah open our hearts to Islam.

  • @snakejuce
    @snakejuce Před měsícem +2

    This was too short!!! Here's hoping there will be follow-ups or a part 2 at least iA.
    These are necessary conversations. Thank you to both. I like the example you mentioned of Ehrman. I didn't realize he was going down that route, that'll be a fun ride!

  • @fidamohammad4708
    @fidamohammad4708 Před měsícem +4

    Excellent discussion!

  • @sagalahmed8370
    @sagalahmed8370 Před měsícem +2

    Very eye-opening interview. Jazakallahu kheir. I really pray that the rabid fox in heat becomes a noble lion that can defend itself from its enemies.

  • @Raeeskhan-ik1vd
    @Raeeskhan-ik1vd Před měsícem +2

    Just fabulous subject matter, highly relevant to the current ..Muslim society....

  • @magentaorchids
    @magentaorchids Před měsícem +1

    God is great
    Among His signs are well read scholars and reverts like these two gentlemen
    SubhanAllah

  • @adielkamalie5252
    @adielkamalie5252 Před měsícem +2

    Salaam wa ragmatullah all
    Thank You gentleman.May Allah reward you eternally and give True Islam in practice to all humans who seek it sincerely.

  • @housseinemin8941
    @housseinemin8941 Před měsícem +9

    Thanks you BT ❤

  • @settingstransfer1249
    @settingstransfer1249 Před 12 dny +1

    quite eye opening really. great contribution, thank you both for this wake up call

  • @zarahm43
    @zarahm43 Před měsícem +1

    Good to see Professor Lambard after so long

  • @tariq3587
    @tariq3587 Před měsícem +3

    Thank you Br. Paul. Fascinating hour, every sec was worth a million Alhmadullilah.

  • @nabilabou9078
    @nabilabou9078 Před měsícem +2

    may ALLAH bless you and protect you , we can't thank you enough for sharing your interviews , may ALLAH reward you in Dounya and Akhira & Djazakom ALLAH koul kheir 🤲

  • @naturegirl4803
    @naturegirl4803 Před měsícem +3

    Mashallah. Very insightful discussion.

  • @Vabeeotchay
    @Vabeeotchay Před měsícem +1

    It’s a shame that there are only 1.5k likes on this video. This entire discussion is very enlightening and important to say the least, and i have the upmost respect for you two sirs. Thank you for a wonderful podcast and i look foreward to hearing more from Professor Joseph Lumbard!

  • @sheikhhashimi5082
    @sheikhhashimi5082 Před měsícem +9

    Interesting and indispensable content.
    Thanks

  • @ahmedsafdar1226
    @ahmedsafdar1226 Před měsícem +1

    Thanks to both of you...............
    Very informative.......
    Much needed for all Muslims to understand.........
    Even people born in Muslim countries and living in Muslim countries don't have understanding of this as a problem......
    Thanks again to Mr Professor......
    keep it up Paul

  • @ChristineLi
    @ChristineLi Před měsícem

    This has opened so many doors and cleared up so many perplexities (also in my own field) for me. Thank you! Please continue this conversation some time. I could listen for many more hours to these humble and cultivated gentlemen.

  • @farieddebruyns338
    @farieddebruyns338 Před měsícem +1

    Shukran Prof Lombard and Prof Paul. May Allah perpetuate you.

    • @jelumbard
      @jelumbard Před měsícem +1

      May Allah perpetuate you as well!

  • @asmatahir9950
    @asmatahir9950 Před měsícem +1

    Revert muslims are an asset.. their contribution to islam is much appreciated

  • @grantspillman365
    @grantspillman365 Před měsícem

    May Allah bless you akhi. I’m going through some terrible times and dhulm and listening to this in the background at work helped me to not ruminate on my sadness.

  • @digitalboy4415
    @digitalboy4415 Před 29 dny +1

    Great to see the new guest.

  • @ous_537
    @ous_537 Před měsícem +2

    This kind of discussions one of the most important things to do
    Thanks, really thank you Mr

  • @haythemlutfi
    @haythemlutfi Před měsícem +12

    Wa Alaykom Alsalam both of you

  • @NONNON-yp4zr
    @NONNON-yp4zr Před měsícem +4

    Bless you both

  • @circlePulse
    @circlePulse Před měsícem +1

    at ~26 minutes, I think the word you guys are blanking on is the "Mihnah"
    Also, would absolutely love to see Dr. Lumbard more on the channel!

  • @ellasprihatini7148
    @ellasprihatini7148 Před měsícem +1

    I checked the links and saved the papers immediately to my Paperpile collections. Thank you so much for making the video and talking about Prof Lumbard papers. Planning to read them ASAP.

    • @jelumbard
      @jelumbard Před měsícem

      Thank you for you interest and support.

  • @facts.explained.
    @facts.explained. Před měsícem +6

    Salam/Peace to Professor Lumbard.
    As well as you Ustad Paul.

  • @khadaraxmed
    @khadaraxmed Před měsícem +1

    Fascinating and very educational indeed may Allah reward you both Brother Paul and Brother Professor Joseph for your contributions.
    Brother professor Joseph wonderfully answered that last question in regards of tackling the mental or the epistemic colonisation.
    And I would like to add that when Muslim intellectual like brother Prof Joseph have brilliant Islamic project they must go head regardless of the objections coming from those in the Muslim community who unfortunately always opposes and calls such projects as Haram or Kufr and what not.
    Go ahead and Inshaa Allah it will be fruitful for the ummah.
    Jazaakallaah to you both 🌙❤️🌙

  • @mirowestmaas4566
    @mirowestmaas4566 Před měsícem +1

    Very great talk, thanks

  • @ElYacineL
    @ElYacineL Před měsícem +1

    One of the best channel on youtube! BarakAllah u Fik for this great talk. Thank you Joseph for coming and share your knowledge and thank you Paul for your amazing job. Un grand bonjour de France

  • @babayoadam
    @babayoadam Před 25 dny +1

    Thanks both of you for this wonderful development
    My Allah rewode

  • @hamidh9637
    @hamidh9637 Před měsícem +6

    Prof Lambard is amazing. Please bring him more often. I would also love to hear his thoughts about the discussion and level of discussion on this topic among the theological thinkers in Iran. The revolution does seem to be decades and decades ahead of other Muslim countries in thinking.

    • @vmoses1979
      @vmoses1979 Před měsícem

      Honestly this comment is completely divorced from the (complete lack of) practice of Shia Islam in Iran. 😮

    • @Fisherman447
      @Fisherman447 Před měsícem

      ​@vmoses1979 brother you are not clear!
      What are you trying to say?

    • @Fisherman447
      @Fisherman447 Před měsícem

      Modern iranian intellectuals are most polluted by western centered ideologies. Just look at the discussions in important universities in iran such as TEHRAN UNV, ... They are all based on secular, post modernity and western philosophy philosophy

  • @harbisulub
    @harbisulub Před měsícem +5

    Brother Paul May Allah give you long and good healthy life. I really enjoy your videos
    Thanks so much. May Allah grant you jana

  • @mosapasha2014
    @mosapasha2014 Před měsícem +1

    As a student in a Western university i see muslims being apologetic about their religious beliefs and knowledge channels and usually avoid conversations about it, that widen this gap of muslim input, and their defensive stance makes Western philosophy " the only answer ".
    Jazak Allah Paul for this precious input to this gap of knowledge.❤

  • @shamim1587
    @shamim1587 Před měsícem +8

    I agree with most of your opinions ; as a young student in the 90’s teachings of Shaykh Abdul Qadir As-Sufi I became liberated from this sense of not belonging and inferiority complex living in the West . The Sufi practices were liberating

  • @Sartezgamer
    @Sartezgamer Před měsícem +1

    All Muslims are brother and sisters,,,and this brotherhood is stronger than everything,,Love for every Muslim,,And pray for non Muslims..

  • @fatemahaque5834
    @fatemahaque5834 Před měsícem +2

    Masallah may Allah give us knowledge which we need most aamin

  • @RR-ms2mt
    @RR-ms2mt Před měsícem +1

    Amazing 👏 true intellectual discussion, loved it...

  • @khalilahmadrahimi4171
    @khalilahmadrahimi4171 Před měsícem

    Thanks for preparing the program

  • @alberxenos
    @alberxenos Před měsícem +3

    السَّلاَمُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَرَحْمَةُ اللهِ وَبَرَكَاتُهُ

  • @misriya4147
    @misriya4147 Před měsícem +8

    Great discussion!

  • @theextraordinaryworldofzei5851

    Islam is the complete religion without a doubt alhamdolilah