Supporting your way out of the trench
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didn't know you could aggro neutral creeps by clicking enemies till now, pretty cool
Same here
I love how you explain everything you are doing. Trying to learn supporting and it's a pain when games are silent.
Thank u bsj. This build actually helps me a lot I got 2 win using this build along with the rotations u said.
The problem with these lobby smurf games is you get real offlane heros in offlane and real mid lane heros in midlane. instead of 2 ranged carry heros top and bot and a ranged support hero mid.
Is it low guardian/high herald elo?
@bananaSlamJamma how much is a coaching session with you? I am a 2,4k scrub playing support
There are no wrong support items at the moment imo. Meme hammer, crest, force, glimmer, drums w.e are all reliable and depending on the match up you're in can often carry you
What about mekanism? You don't see it much
@@MrMikopi you dont see it much on supps because most offlaners build it, if they dont typically the support will or can
Would be great to show us a game where the enemy has a smurf mid player and u play pos5. Great content!
How to show low mmr game where he has the better draft with logical hero combos and the enemy are counterd kinda hard
thing with the trench is that if you get an early lead it often leads to victory unless your team throws. so just play supports that dont allow throws. warlock, witch doctor 5, shaker, enigma 4. if your team gets out of position you just us your fight winning ulti. simple as.
Would be interesting to see him take his mmr into account.
Like 2k x 4 plus his mmr, then divide by 5 and that should be the average mmr of the other team.
And play pos 5 again.
Thank you.
content creators gotta earn their bread bro:) I even bet he played more games, and picked the one where his team didnt have a smurf on the other side... :)
the point is to show the impact someone can have by playing a good position 5 while the rest of the team just plays low mmr... the point is not to have a fair comparison and to show how good or bad BSG is...
@@Gunnl my comment is what I would be interested in seeing. I didn't say, "he's doing it wrong and BSJ has no point in what he's doing."
Again, I'd like to see him take his mmr into account. I think it would be more interesting. You can have a different opinion of course.
@@damonruetama8126 yes, I understand... but that would not help with the point of the video.. it would actually be detrimental. I mean, I think it would be fine for him to do that in another series of videos, but I think that for the people who want to learn this is a much better format.
@@Gunnl I respectfully disagree. I would not find it detrimental to see a game where he doesn't stomp the other team and actually have to come back or face a losing situation. The situation would be helpful and informative and more entertaining in my opinion. I think while this format is useful in its own way and you can learn from any game it is less useful than what I'm proposing as those in lowering mmr are not usually going to be in these stomp games where you're following the lead of a smurf. Most can figure out who BSJ is and if they don't they still play more as a team in these lobby games. You're entitled to your opinion though. 😀
I love this series but does anyone watch this and think "damn im playing crusader and I do not see anyone do any of this stuff?" 99% of my games my supports and cores are in jungle waiting for late game
No one does any of this stuff at all.
There are many decent 1.5k+ mmr, dedicated supp players that can't rank up as easily due to less direct control over winning. As a 1800 mmr dedicated support, I often get compliments for doing these basics (probably why 13k commends in 8k games). In the other 50% of my games I get flamed and blamed by carries who do all or some of following. rant incoming 😂
My carry won't stop playing aggro into a stronger duo, won't pick a hero that either synergizes with me or counters them in lane then is getting less farm, cries about pulls when enemy is contesting or I've just dewarded the pull camps, doesn't play safe or pull when I'm stacking/getting bounty, doesn't farm the stacks I make in a timely manner and enemy takes, doesn't harrass enemy as well as farm when I am in lane, doesn't cast spells to help supp such as slows or stuns when enemy go on, doesn't know when safelane isn't safe anymore, doesn't watch map to see enemy rotations or ganks under vision/ignores retreat pings, stands afk when friendly mid or supp ganks, doesn't understand the difference between a support zoning/harrasing and will full commit in disadvantaged situations, doesn't appreciate my deaths where I have successfully saved them, doesn't appreciate solo xp where I have baited enemy supp away from lane and pings my level, expects unlimited regen and then asks why I have no items, flames me for securing range creep, pings flames me for pushing wave slightly to remove enemy regen or harrass. Any player who thinks it's still Laning phase after min 10 is deluded and potentially costing their team the W by not prioritising objectives if in an early Vs late lineup.
@@RGollie03 Completely agree with you, I have seen many many of these things in my own games.
The only time I ever make calls for map movements is when I'm on a tower eating walking ultimate like death prophet. Otherwise, it's just cheer leader shit
The hard part of 'carrying from support' is when you're supporting terrible cores that don't make use of the advantage you give them
It's not wouldn't be "carrying" otherwise?
why is youtube giving me these old vids...
Supports are super impactful this patch, almost every item is viable. Force staff and glimmer cape are barely being bought even though they're good because other items are just better
Forcestaff still best item in the game, should've been nerfed even more
@@sleepydoge5463 often the only item I can afford on pos 5 pls no nerf :(
@@DanKaschel that's on you tbh, you shouldn't die as much and should farm at least sometimes
@@sleepydoge5463 mana boots 2 better 💁
@@loganmyall660 and are also twice as costly iirc
I think a fun addition you could put is to have the player individually guess who was bsj.
Venge was a beast too
The problem i have playing support in my bracket is no one listens to any of my calls, and no one tries to make any calls either. Then when nothing works out because of a lack of communication everyone collectively blames the support.
have smokes in your inventory, ping them usually works
Keep coping that'll help
@@dasweq3806 yeah well i say after enemy wipe lets rosh or ping a smoke mostly people listen if it's reasonable request
19:56 listen
One thing I've found that works is to pay attention to your core hero timings. Just say "hey mars, I have smoke when you get blink" for example. It lets them know that you're paying attention to what they need and they're more likely to listen to calls in that case. And, as BSJ has said before, if your team doesn't listen, just adapt and do the next best thing you can think of.
Another thing about making calls, often your teammates aren't stupid, they're just too focused on their game to notice things. I played a PA carry game the other day and when we were ahead my team called for rosh, and I just said "vacuum wall is scary to fight in pit, let's wait for a pick". My teammates had similar skill relative to mine, they just weren't thinking about what could go wrong at rosh like I did. So in that vein, you don't so much need to make calls as point out information they can use to make better decisions themselves.
When you setup these games, does anyone know who you are ahead of time? Or is it like they know you're in the game, but they have no idea what team or what hero?
They have no clue, but i assume it’d be pretty obvious haha
@Wuggerups Yeah, I mean literally at the beginning of the game after the rune when he was already going at the CM - most low MMR people don't do stuff like that. I will say that I wish he didn't choose one of the more OP heroes in the meta right now, although he didn't go for the radiance build (obviously, as a support). If he's gonna go pos 5, I think it would be way more interesting if he chose a traditional hard support like shadow shaman, or lion for example. With those heroes, you are 100% dependent on your team, so if they make stupid choices, then it's alot harder to win
@@peterjordansonthe2nd731 Arent Shadow Shaman and Lion more Pos 4 Supports?
@@Aijendo No, they're not
@@peterjordansonthe2nd731 shaman is a better 4 than a 5
how u cut a tree without a choper?
bro, come on, he used his tango
17:30 Rude!
22:15 "After he blink calls, who follows it?"
*Meanwhile venge is literally following it*
i got schooled today. good vid
okay now do this, but enemy has 5k smurf on mid
Noob question here. I noticed the wards are double stacked into one inventory slot. That's terrific because I can carry one extra item now. One question.....how did he switch which ward was the one that would be dropped? I usually play a ward bitch and I have to run around the warding spots dropping which ever ward DOTA decided was the priority and then run back and re-hit all of the spots with the opposite type of ward... I just saw this guy switch which ward he was going to drop. How do you do that?!?!?
double click the inventory slot/hotkey
It was very entertaining but so stompy:) Good job, wish I have supports like this as Drow😁
your supports wish they have carry like BSJ
If you had that guy as support you wouldn't be in the same bracket you're in now.. you'd be in 9k + mmr
And building on what others said, if you were in that bracket you'd also be playing *against* supports like that.
@@rastafari2k3 if you had that guy as support that means you are already 9k on your own lol
@@the7esla989 yeah exactly
Abba is such a fun hero.
for this patch
Said nobody ever
Grandmaster axe and that drow doesn't feel like crusaders. But oh well it was pretty enjoyable
Yea seems like drow had a good matchup against mars. I think it’s hard to deal with her in lane as a melee 3. Tough to get close due to frost arrows. Axe vs am bot I think was a draw but am needed more time to farm items. Wasnt happening with top getting crushed by bsj and drow getting all of those kills.
i kind of figured out that at lower MMRs there's plenty of aggressive core players but almost all supports are half assed. playing a good support is the way to get out of lower ranks. been gaining about 400mmr the past week playing 2-3 games a day
what is the mmr here? It's always helpful to know which bracket you're smurfing
2.1k on radiant, 1.6k on dire
@@jaspervanderster2590 Honestly it's 2.1k vs 3k if you factor in a 9k mmr from bsj :')
@@djdronkenhenk4543 Jaa klopt, maar hij zet dat ook niet in z'n video. Eerlijk was het nooit natuurlijk haha
the whole video is the mmr next to the heroes protraits
@@Aijendo didn't see it, thanks for mentionning
How to kill Abaddon everytime, when his ulti activates dont attack, and then finish him with 2 punches
Haha yeah i remember thats how everyone plays it in low, run in and get full hp back because everyone targets you, better heal than io wd
tbh not a good trench game to show, before game started thx to picks i could tell how lane will go without your help. Axe Necro Drow and you as Abba are all better picks in low mmr bracket than only when snowball wr, afk am, only ult lock. I will look forward for more pos5 carry videos
anyway that top pressure, camp contest and 1by1 tp was your doin, so good vid :>
Min 7.45 in replay, 6.20 in game; how come he didn't go for mars kill? Level 2 shield + mist coil is around 300 dam, looked ez to me... Didn't even cast a spell w near full mana. Could've forced a spell from cm by running at mars, the shield alone would've been enough. Also, BSJ talks about mist coil not being great because it drains health but if you cast it with shield you can take no damage and do ok early burst dam. Shame the deny was ever taken off as always was a skill shot due to how little self dam it does.
do a herald one! we are struggling down here. basically a 1v1v1v1v1 x 1v1v1v1v1
In my humble opinion as a divine 4 player, I think a good way to come out of herald is to master 1 mid hero. Be so good at the hero and laning mechanics that you can at least solo kill enemy mid 1 time, then help side lanes, then go back to farm, then kill, then farm then kill. All without the need of teammates. Naturally you'll win I believe. I know this because few weeks ago when the new patch came in, there was a system error and i had the chance of playing with herald 1 players
@@shujiantheng2618 then you get to crusader only knowing how to do 1 thing. probably good reasons for long term improvement to have a more broad knowledge no?
In my opinion as a legend5 player just play pos4 and use skywrath
He sulokills everyone and will teach you matchups in lane and solokill potentials/vision
@@Six_slotted Yes but you learn most heroes better at average mmr areas anyway
If you're better than other herald players, go mid and stomp the enemy mid with a scaling hero. Deny their creeps, harass them, and eventually kill them a couple of times. Then use your advantage to survive fights using your team to tank spells for you, and teamwipe them. Herald midlaners are so shit at laning (I know because I smurfed an acc out of herald to prove to a friend that a skilled player can get out of herald) that you can walk all over them and treat them like a plaything. Dota at most levels is pure chaos - if you're better than other players at your rank, you can find ways to step on them and rise out of the chaos😉
It really is a terrible bracket
#SaveTheIllusions
Good luck. It’s hard. Team makes you pick first, and then they pick a mid drow like my game yesterday, which wouldn’t be god awful if they were decent … but no, it wasn’t to be. Herald is the worst because there’s a huge skill range between 1 and 4, and there’s too much noise in the rating system such that you’re almost guaranteed to have herald 4s in your team that should probably be 2s at the most.
Yeah, people don't understand the struggle of playing on a team with low MMR teammates. My last two games right before I got my official ranking, I (stupidly) was drunk and I played two games as pos 5 with lich as one, and I can't remember the other one. I had the worst k/d of all time, but my team also really did suck. I shouldn't have played ranked at the time for obvious reasons, but it's super frustrating because I know when I'm playing clear headed that I should be at a minimum 2k MMR
I cruised through guardian and crusader maining support. If you play the role properly and your good enough it's not hard to win most games.
No offense you probably just belong in herald or guardian.
@J.ZoE7 No I don't. I literally just explained why it happened
@@peterjordansonthe2nd731 two games doesn't make that much of a difference. Considering a win only gives you 30 when ur ranked, you'd be lucky to get over 100 mmr off those two games.
@@peterjordansonthe2nd731 keep coping
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not even a 600 mmr difference can stop you from smurfing too hard
I know that you play at higher level than me but I can't to miss that
1 - you don't need to leave for long to stack camp, a few sec is enough.
2 - Drow as ranged carry deal poorly with creeps so it's better to make a half pull on one ranged and one meelee - this way Drow have creeps to tank enemy creeps, line doesn't push, enemies deprived from exp, lane doesn't stack in two waves.
3 - why not block camp instead of constantly contest it.
sentry wards were used in lane
@@hackerman4582 not enough.
And this is why you are lower rank, you think too much and don't play enough. It really doesn't matter, he could have done million other things better but who cares? You can't play on perfect level every second of the entire game
What mmr are you? Why are you pointing out what he did wrong rather than applying what he did right ?
@@sebastianGunnarson71 because appliing what he did right here will not be useful where I play, because in his game Drow kills opponents in 4 hits while in mine she would be scraping them in 20.
And because I have no questions on what he did right, but naturally have questions on play that seems illogical. Like constantly contesting pulls from enemies instead of blocking it once and for all, for constantly doing no stacked pulls that push lane under the enemy tower giving them free access for creeps and letting them engage on Drow for the longest distance.
Those do call for questioning, don't they?
Your team is -500 mmr avg but stomps every lane? Not very educational. Your lane also was very easy to play.
The best games to learn from are your own failures. But I guarantee he's teaching people quite a bit regardless of that.
All lanes won by far. At 24min just 6 deaths for entire team. When i pos5 in 2k mmr the pos3 is already death 6 time on his own during laning phase. Pos5 a game where your team loses mid and offlane. Would love to see that
did exactly same things in video, lost game coz my mid kunka missed all his combos then blamed team...There is nothing you can do if your cores are r3tarded, which is 50% of the time when you play supp
everyone can have a good game, the shit thing about being in this shit tier rank is that your entire team gets constant mental break downs when they lose one team fight and start griefing. Especialy if u have peruvians in your team. I´m legend and have a friend crusader, tried going crusader acount with him and it is fucking imposible to work with does animals.
Are you sure its not just low behavior score? Cause I'm crusader and I only encounter a proper griefer once every 10-15 games. Getting mad after losing teamfight and blaming someone happens all the time, but they usually don't grief
legend isnt more mentally stable than crusader, these things will always stay the same
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I hecking love smurfing and stomping noobs :D
Making calls. Hahaha, bold of you to assume people would listen to anyone or anything in that bracket!
Really educative tho! It would be nice to see the underdog side, too. Like having a useless laning hero like void with a really difficult pos4-5 match up. I usually struggle to barely manage uneven matchups.