How to support like an immortal
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- čas přidán 13. 07. 2024
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0:00 Introduction and planning
2:40 Laning Stage
13:48 Very important trick
16:12 Little bit about rotations
16:53 "Cautiously assisting" in random fights
19:18 Objectives, timings and opportunities
23:27 Creating or reacting
25:25 Outro
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#BSJ #Dota2 #BananaSlamJamma - Hry
I really appreciate it that he uploads some of the coachings on here just so that everyone can learn.
Been following this channel for more than two years now and I learned lots of stuff.
I like how chill the guy was, even after getting berated by BSJ left and right
It’s mental fortitude/toughness and is atypical for DOTA2 players who so often starting crying, complaining, grieving, and giving up the second someone makes a mistake… and the lower levels will have many mistakes (mistakes = opportunities for the mentally weak people to give up)!
I had to mute when BSJ just starts screaming.. yikes.
@@matthuckleberry5238 this is what he is paying for.
I mean, if you pay $500 to have someone tell you how to play a video game yeah you’re going to be polite
BSJ is doing it because he's a higher MMR student
I started playing pos 5 and I´m on a 10 win streak... is insane how much a good support can change the game for the cores.
What does it have to do with the patch
@@godsparticle7657 portals, easier to help lanes and tp optimization
what hero?
@@cheongjunshaun7688 techies bara windranger. universal heroes meta baby
I'm still struggling with bad cores. Like a game losing core. Ursa who never use ult when he get gank, a lvl 7 slark who get killed by two lvl 4 support, medusa who is affraid of 100hp enemy when I used tombstone so he could get a kill etc, or a core who over extend when I call to get back multiple times and feed.
I am out leveling my cores too many times as a pos 5 which is nuts, even crazier is that I am spamming warlock atm and I cant even jungle like other supports to get extra exp.
Also when ever I used Naga as a support my team always lost their shit. Giving my carry a 5 kill lead before 10 min I'm still called a trash support, and when I used illusion to push out lane to pressure I'm called a farming support even though I solo take all t1 towers with meteor hammer + my illusion.
When I got a decent core the game is always a snowball which is fun but its rare. Btw these game losing cores show up after my rank confidence max out. My win rate at 58% went to 51% after a massive losing streak. I was 1 win away from reaching legend fall all the way to crusader2 now im at crusader5. (Manage to climb back a bit after playing cores and pos4 a few games)
BSJ, thank you so much for these videos! I cant tell you how much I appreciate your work!
At 15:00 minutes that point about the late single pulls is huge. Was watching Qojqva playing axe offlane the other day and he was getting so pissed that Dubu was just pulling the small camp again and again on Chen in the mid game.
Please upload such 6k + coaching. As it contains advanced concepts that viewers can benefit from . Thanks alot for this upload mr editor
Speed and BSJ posting both support contents ❤
what do you do if the techies makes sure to keep your camp blocked
i love this content. much love from a sup
My man bsj, thx for the good content man
Nice to see polish lad, good luck mate
Idk, I have played this match up a lot. Giving techies that left side will not stop him from assaulting WK. He will actually do it way more. The techies will absolutely not care youre playing the right side and not try to mimic you. Your only option is to force the techies back for a few levels by chasing him around. If hes left, your left trading. If he goes right, you go right. Being on the wave is probably your worst option.
Let the WK 1v1 as much as possible. Buy a windlace to juke techies bomb toss as best as possible. You have to cut off his ability to get into right click range. You need to ship out regen.
Your core has to be the one to agro away from the techies constantly.
I mean, you can see the results of playing left where techies is left already, if you go right, and then techies goes right, then you go back left. The goal here is to pressure the abaddon and basically make the techies chase you around the lane while you are hitting the abaddon.
@@zardecil9419 No, she played lane and wave, not left jungle. Shes supposed to occupy the spot Techies occupies above her tower in the beggining, thats the power point of the laning phase. Techies should be forced back and never allowed the enter that region of map. If he takes that spot its over, he does not care about you attempting to harass Abba, Abba will be fine. He will 100 out harass your WK before CM annoys Abba. The play is to take that spot before techies does and nonstop trade with him.
Every time he tries to walk down from the trees right of their hard camp, you nuke him, and dont let him even come close to the wave without taking damage from you.
@@oneshotki11 I agree, I'm about the same rank as the student in this video and play a lot of cm and techies myself. If the cm is not on the left and messes with me and try to soak the damage, I will absolutely right click the shit out of their carry. Yes it's a hard matchup for the cm but sometimes it feels like it has to be done, you give up the left side for 3sec and your wk will lose 50% hp to techies
@@stellarbruh4945 Exactly. One of the few times I really disagree with BSJ. I play a bunch of CM as well. Its a lane you just want to break even and soak as much damage and techies mana as possible without dying.
Its like an imaginary triangle between you tehies and Abba. Techies comes down you nuke and back towards small camp. If he tries to take that spot youre hitting him in the back and side. If Abba starts farming the left side of wave again you have to back to small camp, but if anyone enters that area where techies wants to be, you nuke them and try to draw them out. All creep aggro is WK's responsibility, because if you stay anywhere near wave youre gunna get double nuked down.
Her mistake was starting out in the lane. That was the lane losing mistake.
Idk, this is really hard lane for CM, I would harass techies here and buy a lot of tangos and let wk 1v1 Abaddon. Even tho you're not gonna win trading against techies just keep him busy til wk able to jungle.
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Great video.
11:50 my dude 😂😂😂
As a 3kmmr player this is a lot to take XD.
Dębowy mocny cm :D abrakadabra kur...a :D
I do have another question: Abadon is shielded, you have a wk standing right necxt to him. Would you still hit the abadon to break his shield, even though it will hurt wk?
i think the answer is yes: the breaking of the shield will make sure your creep wave dies first and the creep equilibrium is in a good spot for wk to take farm - it is up to the wk to notice when the shield is getting low and to stand back so he doesn't take that damage himself. also, if aba is now shieldless for 3-4 seconds if you break it quickly he will be a bit more scared with his last hitting because he's vulnerable to damage - if he has 100% uptime on his shield because it never gets broken then he'll feel free to dive tower slightly to absorb damage as his shield is expiring to damage the wk and force him to take the shield break damage whereas if you broke it yourself it's on your terms and the wk should be able to read that play better
Oof it’s almost hard to watch how harsh BSJ is towards this guy.
BSJ wasn't harsh, it's just the way he talks.
hes not that harsh lol you guys need dads
@@sebastianGunnarson71 hes literally yelling into the mic... lolwhat
I used to say this but that's the way he really talks.
as another user already said, this is pretty much the way it works in sports.
also, i too am extremely sensitive to people yelling at me, i might even start crying, but if _i bought_ a BSJ coaching i would _know_ that's what i'm getting because i've seen it before.
no deadlane anymore?
Can someone explain what a defensive aggro is? What where and when?
It's when you walk up to the creep wave, right click the enemy hero once then walk back so that their creeps follow you and it's now safer to hit creeps since they're closer to your tower and support
dude chill
Even if trading with tehcies is slightly ineffiecient meaning you will most likely lose the trade I don't understand why as a 5 you don't peel for your carry that? You can anticipate this and just order a salve, effectively you are trading your gold so your carry can farm safely, end of the day what is the point of a support, to let carry farm right? Hitting abaddon is more efficient interaction for crystal maiden, but in the big picture WK will lose farm because he will get shit on and salves are not efficient to use on teammates efficiently anyway. In a way this approach would value CM's recources (HP) more than wraith kings gold and HP
If he's on the right and hitting Abaddon, it'll also pull the creeps (and therefore WK) to the right away from techies. Techies then has to move in order to be aggressive. Either close enough to the creep wave, aggroing it and taking damage; or a long awkward walk around. Plus CM has an aoe skill anyway so can still slow and harass techies a little at the same time.
@@michaelflynn7126 I see, that makes alot of sense, thanks!
as a CM spammer +600 matches with cm rank divine 4 and still climbing easily
I can tell that there is no easy hero in dota2 at all, the hard part of cm is "not dying" and positioning in team fights
I just hate how people pick cm and end up dying 10~15 times each game or maybe +20 even in top ranked immortal games they die tens of times
most of my games end up like 3/4/25 or 2/0/15 or 1/3/27 or so your goal is to secure most amount of kills, save most amount of allies and dying lowest amount of times
and if you want to sacrifice something for the other, just prioritize not dying !
if your teammates start an extremely stupid fight and they will die let them die they deserve it even if you are support just don't give the enemy 2 kills instead of 1 kill
the point is that you need to position yourself in team fights and cast your spells correctly (don't frostbite a hero who has bkb ready)
and keep out of enemy map vision most of the time, the enemy should not see a cm on the map at all !
don't die to deward or place a ward its not worth it at all you feed the enemy 400 gold or so (ward and reward with your teammates nearby only)
don't fight in a place where you have 0 vision, for example invading enemy jungle with smoke as 5 requires you to place an observer and a sentry on eye spot to make sure that there is no enemy carry who jumps you from nowhere and your team start the fight 4vs5 after that
in laning phase you should know how to secure a kill for the carry with enough regen/mangos you should also know if the lane has 0 kill potential to not force stupid fights and end up feeding
use portal to help your offlaners if they are constantly fighting, a gank at lvl 3-4 from cm will turn the table on the enemy carry and shut them down for a while and perhaps your Offlaners can take down the tower after that
play with your power spike heroes just leave your carry to farm when its min 10-15 they don't need you anymore on the other hand if your mid wr with atos/maelstorm you can kill anyone on the map so stick to your mid/offlaner when they hit their power spike and apply pressure on enemy towers and enemy jungle
this will create a lot of space for your carry to fram and push the safe lane towers
also remember to build an item that suites the game not a single item build for every game (eul against axe, force staff against slark, etc)
and lastly don't rush bkb first item for cm ulti and don't buy it too late, its really good to have a support item and hit ~30 min timing of bkb + shard from tormentor to be more useful in team fights
as in ~30 mins most enemy cores will have bkb/manta/linken and cm will be useless in team fights unless someone bait their bkbs
early game ultimates depend on enemy not having vision in the fight area + hide in trees + ulti so they do not stun or interrupt
and perhaps win the game
Thanks, this help a lot.
Imagine supporting like immortal then teammates blame you and wondering what youre doing and ended up reported😂😂😂
If you support like an immortal the lane in theory should be great for the carry unless they play awful or the matchup is bad
I don't want to be an animal.
I am absolutely fine as a guy😂😂😂
Its so boring to play as a support in divine-immortal rank. 10-20 min all u do is ward buy sustain stack. But they are the most impactful
sup
nerf cm
🤣
I would like to see bsj do smurfing 2k 3k bracket but supports role only, if he can rank up to divine in a month it means he truly understand the support thing.
he literally has made videos like that already, they are on his channel.
If you are too busy watching the video let me make the long story short "momentum" you are welcome
As a CM spammer who has climbed from 3000 to 3600 mmr in three months, it bothers me seeing an immortal rank CM who sentries a cliff instead of putting the sentry on the ground and using his Q to check the cliff.
Maybe because cm's mana pool is atrocious?
first.
coach low mmr people plz
i have seen him coach lots of low mmr people, look through the channel. if it's as low as herald i remember his general advice being -> get more cs
@@mdlsvensson i only see him coaching 4 5 6 7 k mmr people who already know most of the stuff
@@starlightglimmer3260 It has been said in other videos that, until you reach 4k to 5k, basically focus hard on cs, push waves and play safe. In those brackets, players miss a lot of cs, let's towers be taken uncontested and overextend until dying. Since applying those simple steps, I've gained 800 MMR (from 1,1k to 2k - > 80%!!)
@@starlightglimmer3260 I've seen him coach sub 1k mmr couple of times
@@BenSilver10 So it is better to play carry or lane pushers in low MMR games? Or do we focus on cs even as a pos 5? Thank you.
I used to play only pos5 and got to 6700mmr from 4500mmr. But if you get cores in every second game who have 1-5 stats min 5 and feed enemy carry, there is nothing you can do anymore. At least watch your laning phase. I was stable most of the time and gave my own carry a GOOD 5-1 laning phase. This is what matters. Smoke up, put deep wards. Vision wins games too. Dont be afraid to sacrifice yourself for the other 4 Guys in your team as a Full Support. GL in your games
Bsj, i get that you are great and ha e a massive ego. But can you at least pretend to not be a narcissist during coaching?
Is this guy supposed to be a coach or something?
Guy is talking like he is a sergeant in the army - nobody learns anything from this except to obey orders 😂
Also this guy is talking like the guy can do anything about what he says - it's pre-recorded, nothing he can do now.
If this guy payed anything for this he wasted his money.
Do "piece of shit 5 - how to support like an animal" next