@@mavjimbo I disagree, people have BASE jumped the WTC, yes there is a significant chance of dying anyway but someone experienced in skydiving could survive.
I am really glad these attacks did not happen in the current day, there would be so much horrific footage from live-streaming etc, nobody wants to see their loved ones like that in their final moments
Well, algorithms on YT, Instagram and FB are good enough to delete that. So, live - yes, in record - no. Maybe, on Telegram and Reddit we would see something, since their policy ain't so strict.
If I worked in a skyscraper I would take base jumping lessons and keep a parachute under my desk. I would rather take my life into my own hands than wait around to see if I get rescued.
Anyone working in Freedom Tower (especially the upper floors) should probably consider keeping an emergency parachute in their desks, as well as taking a class learning how to use it.
This has to be the only event in history i could witness live on TV that still gives me chills and a horrible sense of dread. If there was hell on earth than those trapped in the building definitely saw a glimpse of it.
If I recall, there was consideration to develop a BASE jumping parachute for novices to be used in case of emergency. The canopy was to be deployed by a static line attached to the building. It was tested at the Perrine bridge in Idaho. On that terrible day a high school classmate and company colleague were lost. They will not be forgotten.
Insurance would be outrageous for the companies tho, you'd have to be able to insure the company against liability if Janice and Pete's parachutes fail and they splat, the lawsuits would be outrageous
A video about Edna Cintron the women that was pictured standing on the broken beams in the impact zone of the north tower would be interesting, its crazy to imagine how she must have felt looking down standing right on the edge, waving for help.
There was a guy on the 110 floor of the North Tower that quit because he was paranoid of a fire being caused by all the electrical equipment on the floor. He was told he couldn’t bring one so he quite a few months before 9/11
I just watched 9/11 a day in America, and they did attempt a helicopter rescue, but no one was on the roof. The northwest corner of one of the towers was clear of smoke, they would have tried if someone was up there, but sadly no one was
I recommend watching “World Trade Center”. Released in 2006 and it’s a movie about 2 firefighters stuck under the rubble of the World Trade Center. You might be interested in it. It’s just like 9/11 one day in America but not a documentary. It’s mostly about, the first responders story.
The helicopter pilots who had flown above the buildings to attempt a rooftop rescue said that the south tower had too much smoke and was out of play, and that there was a small opening on the northwest corner of the north tower where they maybe could have rescued people, but no one was up there. I believe there were phone call accounts as well from people in the south tower that had made it to the top but could not break open the door to reach the roof. Maybe this happened in both towers. Not sure what the protocol was for keeping those doors locked, but in hindsight it's obviously terrible to think about.
Jumping into the core may have been more frightening than out the window ,at least the window u know it’s over. If u jump in the core I’m sure it was pitch black,probably fire and full of smoke it would’ve been like falling into hell 😢
I worked at a skydiving dropzone for a summer about 12 years ago and my ex was a skydiving instructor there, he also held a couple records for most skydives in one day by one person in a couple of states. I was actually on site for both events. You can imagine it was a special setup and race to complete from sunrise to setting. He did like 110. He had to do what are called hop n pops to get them all done in time and safely. I think that the lowest altitude he could go to and immediately pull to deploy was 2000 or 1500 ft to ensure he made it down in time and safely. They were quick at that height literally immediately pulled after he stepped foot out of the plane/zero free fall and there were still several that just seemed too dang close for my liking. Even without the free fall/being under canopy it was only a matter of seconds until he was on the ground and he’s an exceptionally experienced skydiver. IMO, it would have taken very skilled skydivers/base jumpers to actually even have a chance of surviving that jump and you’d have to be up towards the very top. Forget all of the chaotic factors of the day - things like you mentioned about the obstacles of the buildings/terraces and then the lack of clear safe landing locations on the ground. Getting the gear on safely/securely is another factor. Can’t imagine a novice trying to get strapped to it safely with all the chaos going on. It’s not like just a backpack. Controlling the risers and braking handles can be physically difficult too. I packed parachutes there and it’s a very intricate system. Heck, even with my familiarity of the rigs, I only did one jump/tandem bc I’m petrified of heights. Even working around them for an entire summer, packing them and helping rig up tandem jumpers, I’d probably not be able to get it on correctly nor pull or control it if I were in the situation. At best everyone intending to use them would need thorough training and likely annually to even have a fighting chance of potentially surviving a hop n pop/BASE jump out. At worst, I think you’d have a whole lot of chaos - people hitting the ground having never pulled in time, people smacking into each other with or without open canopies - the lucky folks that deployed in time would be entangling chutes with each other and racing to the ground intertwined even faster than the 15/20 second ride without becoming entangled. And so on. Oh and an insane amount of critical casualties would end up perishing in a lot more pain than if they hadn’t had a drag to slow them down. Like, gruesome painful injuries from not deploying correctly - instead of instant lights out, they could be gravely injured and suffering bc they were merely slowed down and that would be an awful way to suffer before passing. I do commend your videos for exploring these types of inquiries so many years on. I’ve definitely thought about whether or not I think I could successfully jump with a rig and make it down alive plenty of times myself. Oh and then the logistics of the cost of the rigs, they are not cheap! Gosh maybe $5k per full rig for a basic setup, obviously they go well up over $10k for sport/sophisticated rigs. Most people rent them from the DZ or you can buy secondhand etc. A standard BASE jumping rig might be like $3kish. Then the cost to maintain and inspect them however often. Initial and probably annual training - even if very basic. Then the joys of the US these days, the liability /lawsuits from families of those who gave it a shot and it didn’t work so now they’re suing. Just so many variables. I get though that this is hypothetical and this could just be in reference to an individual keeping a rig at their desk. If they had experience either BASE jumping or with hop n pops and they weren’t up against several other random people jumping out with chutes on at the same time, depending on location and if you were like at the very top and not obstructed by smoke or obstacles in your path or on the ground, definitely doable and worth it if the opportunity presented itself! I would have given it a shot even with my fear of heights and very limited experience!
I love your detailed comment. I'd brought up this subject in a previous video and have thought about it for years. I did do one single jump on a static line. I did read that you could possibly pull a chute as low as 800ft. The Twin Towers were nearly 1800 ft high at the roof level. I'm running with the premise that anyone who takes a chute up to their high floor office, would be proficient in using it and my theory about this is based on a single person having a chute, which cuts out all these chaotic possibilities of jumpers getting tangled etc and novice jumpers not having the first clue what to do. But...even in a very chaotic situation, statistically, some people would have survived. Some would have landed on other buildings, some in parks, some on roads and others in the water. I figure that's a lot better than zero survivors. This hypothetical expert would have to have a cool head, take note of the wind conditions, be very aware of obstacles and have his/her landing spots already scoped out given the various wind conditions. The very prepared person, would scope out the conditions each day they went to work. That's a level of obsession that's very unlikely for such an unlikely event. It would have to be a person that simple found the mental exercise to be fun. These types of people do exist, but they are rare. I used to abseil but I still have a normal fear of heights, but given the prosect of being pulverized to dust or jumping with a chance, I'd definitely jump. Also, consider this: How many people jumped without a chute? That took complete desperation. If all those jumpers had a chute, I bet some would have lived.
John Vincent wore it like a backpack at the same location, there's different types of parachutes that have different purposes. Some are designed to go with the wind, others are for manoeuvring by yourself.
@@urbanyouths I hadn't really give the type of canopy, much thought, but I see that the round types open faster, thus potentially would drift further. Other types are more responsive in steering. I'm not an expert, but I think an expert jumper would know how to steer well and would have a responsive chute. I presume this will enable them to be more precise with their planned landing spot and have the ability to avoid obstacles closer to the drop spot.
Because of 9/11, I made a pact long ago that if I ever have to work high up in a tall building like this, I would have a wingsuit and glider parachute on hand somewhere in my work space
You could have a really tall fire pole to slide down, that way people could access it at any floor and slide down the way firefighters or the Ghostbusters do!
There’s a story of the chief chef on the titanic, He thought he was doom and was gonna die so he went into the ships pantry and made it his mission to not leave one bottle of alcohol on the ship left. He got so drunk and actually survived because of it. Most people died within 20 minutes of hitting the 28 degree water, Yet he swam for 2 hours and survived because of the alcohol. Is it possible that someone in the wtc knew there was no escape so decided to go to the windows of the world and drink as much as they can as a last hurrah? I know it’s a dark topic but it’s just interesting to talk about when you brought up the titanic
Alcohol keeps one's body warm. A person survived because he was in a cold water after drinking alcohol. In the burning buildings, this would be counterproductive, right? You would get more hot and die quickly, that's what I think
Yeah, when I rode my bike in winter (and was still drinking) I would have a couple of beers before a long bike ride in winter because it makes it so much more tolerable. Even one beer/drink. The issue is that it's hard for me to just have two beers. ha.
I remember reading somewhere, that an employee of one of the company's that had offices high up in one of the towers, had asked about having parachutes and doing training for their use. Unfortunately his idea was rejected out of hand, quite harshly, if I remember correctly. They were told that the towers were built to withstand tremendous damage. We all know what happened, but nobody in the late 60's, when these buildings were designed, would expect someone to deliberately crash a jetliner into the towers fully laden with fuel. You could not "jump down into the impact zone" on the North tower and escape. There is the famous waving woman, who is stood in that impact zone. Somehow she survived the impact and destruction of her floor, but there was no way out. The stairs are gone, chocked full of rubble. If you look at photos of the fires. Up to three floors below her are engulfed in flame. You are not getting out doing that.
I enjoy this series idc what anyone says. I always wonder these questions and for someone to make a full blown discussion about this is necessary and appreciated. Thank you
I found the article about building an emergency escape BASE jumping rig for novices: "Aside from the absolute unlikelihood of being caught in a burning high rise and actually having a rig right there, finding a way to get out a window, avoiding the sucking phenomenon that occurs when flames meet air, and landing safely in a city environment that has devolved into chaos all seem pretty dubious. “As a base jumper,” Jimmy said, “If I got trapped in a burning building, I would take the stairs.”
I've done a bit of BASE jumping and I can say that the best bet would definitely be to parachute out. I've done some quick research, and the North Tower was about 1,300 feet tall. Now, most experienced BASE jumpers don't generally attempt a jump at or below 2,000 feet. If you jump below 2,000 feet you're really pushing your luck, but it is possible and has been done many times. So let's assume you've found a parachute on one of the upper floors. Owen Quinn BASE jumped from the North Tower in 1975, but he was an experienced jumper. If you're inexperienced and you've managed to fend off your coworkers for the chute then you're going to want to get to the roof as quickly as possible, you'll need all the height you can get. You've mentioned in other videos that the roof might have been locked off, if that's the case then maybe you'd have to break a window on the top floor or something. In this situation, feet = time. The more height you can get the more time you'll have to sort out a panic attack, fumble your hands for the cord, and try to guide yourself to safety. I think the best bet would be to try and land in the Hudson River. Trying to land in Lower Manhattan would decrease your chances of survival significantly. In BASE jumping even small obstacles can cause death, broken bones, or other severe injuries. Unlike what you see in video games, when you parachute, you often come in pretty hard. You would want to have seen it in some movies or something so you know to land feet first at least. Honestly, if you land in the Hudson, your chances of surviving would be pretty decent as long as you know how to swim and you don't get tangled in your parachute, which could drown you (similar to falling in a pool while the pool cover is on, the chute would envelop you and trap you). When you hit the water, you would want to take a deep breath and immediately remove the harness, then swim down and away from the chute before coming up. Anyway, I hope this helps some time travelling BASE jumpers in the future.
A witness from an adjacent building had clear view of those who were forced to jump from the windows of the towers, he made eye contact with them right before they jumped and said he saw the souls of the jumpers leave the body just before impacting the ground and disintegrating..
I want to correct you on something... When the towers were designed they took into account a plane crash. They designed the towers to absorb a plane crash on any portion of the tower, but the planes they had at the time were considerably smaller than a jumbo jet and they thought if a plane did hit the towers it would be one coming from far away and not familiar with the area and there wouldn't be a full fuel load.
Think of the people that finally accessed the stairwell in the south tower and thought they were saved. If 15 got out there must’ve been another 15 or so on the way out when it collapsed
It is well known one person on the 93rd floor kept one after the original bombing. Alas, the plane went directly into his floor, so it was a moot point.
Equip the FDNY with a platform that could scale the outside of the building. Use the window washer tracks. The firefighters wear a parachute and carry other chutes to give to people they find.
You could have a stack of static line parachutes (not packed, like paratroopers sometimes use) in a facility near the roof. You don't need too much space and a simple open window to leap out. There'd be a battle to decide who gets to use them though. Definitely within reach of a multi-millionaire exec to have installed in their office a facility only for their own personal use.
I think it's possible. The most difficult thing would be controlling your descent, so you don't hit another building going down and pull the rip cord in time.
I think it's absolutely possible if a person had some experience skydiving. Having Base jumping experience would be the best, dozens of base jumpers have jumped off buildings over the years.
Yes I think so. I imagine you would want to pull the cord early, so that you get maximum drift time and can get well clear of the structure. Imagine being in mid flight when the building you jumped from, started falling. It would be mindblowing, but you'd have to contend with the giant dust cloud.
I have never jumped with a parachute, but I do know that they have a yearly event where they allow people to parachute off the New River Gorge Bridge in West Virginia, USA. I read that you have to have some kind of special certification or training in order to be allowed to do it because the bridge is only 876 feet tall. The original world trade center buildings we're 1300 feet tall. So I would think that anyone jumping would have to have the knowledge and ability to know when to pull the cord in time to avoid smashing into the ground.
The hypothetical I’ve always wondered about was the possibility of using something like a fire hose or some long rope to rappel from the upper floors to somewhere below the impact zone. From there, they could break another window and get back into the tower below the impact and escape down that way. It would be incredibly dangerous, but I think it could be almost plausible
I've thought about this, but it would be incredibly difficult. I don't know how strong the windows were either? You would need to carry a hammer or something to break the window and be able to swing the object while clinging onto the hose or rope. A nightmare. The guy who shimmied down could have done it, but then why didn't he try to break a window. Did he try and fall? I really don't know. I just think breaking the window would be harder than most people imagine. I got thrown into a window once during a street fight and I bounced off. Toughened glass is really hard to break.
@@Justyburger yeah these are really good points and I agree it breaking windows is much easier said than done. I do think it’s easy to come up with hypotheticals with all the knowledge we have looking back. Having to come up with all this in the moment would be another thing entirely
Former Airborne trooper here ! Of, all the 300 comments I can say with absolute certainty that 3% maybe have used or actually know how to work a parachute. Also smoke and debris are absolute terrible to fly through with them and downright unsurvivable if any piece of debris or fire hit your chute.
Bro after 9/11 there were parachutes designed for office use for sale. The rip cord you had to tie to a piece of furniture so it would deploy automatically.
The biggest issue was that the steel supports weren't encased in concrete. It caused the steel to melt and collapse the building. I wonder if that would have caused the buildings to sway more and lead to a more unsteady jump?
You should have talked about whould it be possible to actually get the parachute open rather than would it be possible to find one lying around in the building. Just assume you have one
Could specially made equipment have been able to enable the FDNY to suppress or extinguish the fires on the top floors? Prepositioned water pumps and hoses on every 10 floors of the building?
Experienced Skydivers BASE Jump off Fixed Structures: "BASE" is an acronym that stands for four categories of fixed objects from which one can jump: buildings, antennas (referring to radio masts), spans (bridges), and earth (cliffs). People in Twin Towers would need to go to Rooftop. Windows in surviving floors after Impact were extremely tough type of Glass. Hypothetically, if Windows could be broken, people could BASE Jump from their own Floors. Regardless of Jumping from Roof or through Broken Windows, people would be limited how far they could get away from Buildings. Air currents can suck a Parachutist back against the Exterior Walls, resulting in Chute collapsing. Then Jumper is truly just like other Jumpers without Parachutes.
There was a video of a guy that base jumped from the top of the Towers back in the day. He survived & recorded it in it's entirety. It's probably somewhere on CZcams.
And regarding the helicopter scenario , they could have saved people, the wind was taking the smoke to one side of the buildings , but can you imagine how many people would be fighting to get on board . We would of needed dozens and dozens of helicopters at the ready to rescue people back to back one copter after the next, but unfortunately access to the roof was locked and prevented people from reaching the top
Were any of the elevator shafts below the impact floors operable at all? Are there elevator lift motors that the FDNY could bring to a skyscraper fire that would enable firefighters to manually ride an elevator car in an elevator shaft? Would the FDNY have been able to extinguish fires if they were able to get men up to the burning floors?
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The parachute idea is silly. Your best bet in WTC 1 was to climb and reach the mechanical floor. It's an open air walkway for HVAC and if you reached it, there's a strong possibility that you could get back into the building, especially since it was below the impact point just below the sky lobby.
Actually those Towers were a catastrophe waiting to happen. Port Authority refused to follow the strict Codes NYC and FDNY had for public safety in Hi-rise Bldgs. (Fire Commissioner refused to sign off on them.) The PA grouped all three of the stairways in the core area for ease of construction and lower costs. FDNY wanted (as other Bldgs had), a FIRE TOWER. That is a stairway usually in a corner that has a vented access hallway protected with a 4 Hr firedoor. After you pass through the hall another 4Hr door leads to the wide stairs enclosed within 4Hr walls. NO LIVES HAVE BEEN LOST IN NYC TO BLDGS WITH THAT STAIRWAY.
@@UnfairEnforcer Your question is good, but misses the main point. Had PA installed the Fire Tower, most of those above the crash could have escaped. NFPA rules (minimum) state at least 2 exits remote from each other. PA grouped all 3 within yards of each other. Yes jet crash is extreme, but so were those Towers
The towers met building codes in effect at the time they were designed and/or built. Those 2 stairwells far away from eachother sound great, but it's not realistic or feasible to build new stairwells into an older building that already exists. Much easier said than done. Same with automobiles. Imagine if we were required to update our older cars/trucks to meet current safety standards. We couldn't.
@@johneckert1365 No you are quite wrong. The PA used their own codes for those Towers. FDNY Commish refused to sign off on those Bldgs because they were so poor. They were the first to use lightweight open web bar joist metal trusses for floor supports. Those trusses were placed on small metal ledges and tack-welded. PA realized they needed viso-elastic dampers to reduce the sway of the lighter weight Bldgs vs Old Code like Empire State Bldg. The Fire Towers I spoke of were Required in all commercial Bldgs over 100 feet after 1921. (Code change due to Triangle Shirtwaist Fire.) PA refused to install them because it would take up too much floor area!
Thanks so much for making this video. I had mentioned the concept of parachuting off, a few weeks ago in one of your videos. I have done one single parachute jump, but an expert in the field, would have some very interesting things to say for sure. I remain convinced that it would have been very possible. If a person was skilled, they would take wind direction into account and plan their landing spot. I assume you would have to make sure you jumped well clear of the side of the building, so that the chute did not skim down the building structure and get caught or tangled. Because of the huge size of these buildings, you would have enough glide time to get well clear of the immediate impact zone. It might have been possible to land in Rockefeller Park or Washington Market park? Maybe the Battery Park Ball Fields? I think that landing on another building would be very risky, unless there is a large flat roof. It would be better to land on the ground. It would also have been possible to land in the water at the yacht harbour? There are many hypothetical possibilities here. I really would love to hear the views of an expert and what they would have done, had they gone to work with a chute. If you had a chute, you would have to plan your exit fast, before someone else could grab the chute. I even wondered if one chute could carry two people. Imagine you were there with your Wife and there is no way you could leave her. You either give her the chute and sacrifice yourself or you try to do a tandem jump. I'm always thinking about this type of thing. In all this carnage and hell, I would have loved to hear a story like this, where someone jumped off and survived. I bet there are people out there, who have a parachute in their tall building office.
They wouldn't be able to squeeze them through the steel columns. Those columns were only about shoulder width wide. Not to mention they would most certainly explode upon impact with the ground traveling at such a high speed.
@@bowengass4215 Surprisingly hamster balls can withstand more than most people would imagine. You'd still end up with every bone broken and your brain turned to mush inside your fractured skull but the ball could possibly survive such a fall.
In 2001, the Twin Towers were the superstars of high-rise buildings. No one ever dreamed a 9/11 situation would ever happen. The windows I believe could not be opened from the inside, that day for security reasons the roof was locked and could not be accessed, and all emergency plans depended on the core stairways which were destroyed in the attack. Now a question. If you were on one of the upper floors and had a parachute were would you go to jump out of the building?
@posticusmaximus1739 The thing no one thinks about when they go to work each day is that their workplace will be destroyed by a terrorist or another such act, so why have a parachute in your desk draw. A plan of escape, yes, knowing where all the exits emergency or not are located, yes, but there is little most of us could do trying to escape a 9/11 type situation.
I have often wondered about this scenario, myself. I guess the potential to survive such a catastrophe as 9/11 would depend upon what type of parachute, which way the wind was blowing, and what other buildings/obstructions were on the side that you jumped out of. I do agree with Depressed Ginger though that just about anybody would take that chance, rather than choke on the billowing smoke if they were were trapped above the impact zone.
Base jumpers often jump off skyscrapers. It's really gusty up near the top of skyscrapers so the risk of getting knocked into a building would be high. Finding a landing spot would be tough since drivers in the city are often out of control.
Yeah these are two major issues. The wind and the landing spot. An experienced jumper would pick the wind direction and the direction would determine the approximate landing spot too. There are various small parks and even the Hudson river. Landing on a road will have risks and landing on other buildings would also be risky. Mind you...anything would be better than being pulverised as part of the building collapses. If people jumped without chutes, they sure would definitely jump with them. I definitely would. If there were many chutes, I believe there would be many survivors. Some would have accidents with the side of the building or with their landing spots, but some would definitely have survived. No chute means definitely no survival.
Short haul helicopter rescue would have worked, they use it in wildland firefighting all the time when people are injured in remote terrain where a helicoper cannot land.
Could they provided enough parachutes for everyone about certain floor? And how many parachutes would they supply for for people on how high of floors? How high up in the tower would you have to be for a parachute to be supplied for you???? Those are all questions to consider!
The only other possibility would be to Die Hard it with a cord or something to the lower floors and hope to break a lower window. I remember within a year or so after 9/11 there was a lot of talk about putting in emergency parachutes and one concept I heard was having windows that could be removed and lockers full of parachutes with a device that would be attached to the window frames that would pull the cord for you after a certain distance.
you could install certain zip lines on skyscrapers to other lower building roofs.... working people could've the counter parts available on every floor
What about if it had some kind of rappel rope on the top floor which is coiled up (like in R6V) and you can just feed it out of the broken window down to the street and climb down it?
I’d say you could definitely survive jumping from the towers on 9/11 if you had had an intact parachute that you could put on in the moments after the plane impacts But, of course, nobody did
Would it have been possible to of climbed down hugging the outside beams or inching down between the beams pushing against them and possibly using something to increase grip?
Dg did one a while ago that showed a guy doing that on north tower. He got down quite a few floors before disappearing when the south tower fell. I'm sure it showed the column next to the one he was scaling down had a broken window so he could of escaped if he was on that one 😢
Any outside stairs structures or inflatable stuffs, or safety escape wires on each window. Any building should have improved their security since 09/11. Did they?
I remember adults talking about this ad nauseam for months after. And very serious words were spoken about highrises being equipped with parachutes like freaking fire extinguishers. It would have never worked. Was there a news report talking about this?? It’s like a half forgotten phantom memory of mine.
So u build several storage rooms, fill em with parachutes (over 650 cantor employees killed in tower one) so how many chutes u gonna store? Impossible to determine.
Why aren't jetpacks available on a mass-produced & affordable level? (and yes, I'm taking into account instant rebuttals that naturally follow a wild ass statement like that)
I welcome all ideas and I like the jetpack idea but they take more training and they are a bigger bulkier item than a chute. They also have flammable substances in them and would not be allowed in the building.
If a parachute attempt was to be made - above the fire likely would not be possible. The building above the plane strike would act like a giant chimney. The tremendous heat generated by the fire rises. Thus - if you weren't quickly toasted to death - the heat would carry your parachute upward (like a hot air balloon), and within a few seconds your chute would likely burst into flames or flip you over and down. The super heated air would rob the atmosphere of breathable oxygen. There are a dozen scientific reasons you probably wouldn't make it. However - it's a 100% likelihood just jumping out of any window higher than three stories would not work. Jumping from a window below the fire line would need to be from a minimum of 30 stories to allow the chute to open (might work with a little luck). If I worked higher than thirty stories - I might consider getting some training and keep a chute in my office.
Always wondered if helicopters would be able to drop members of the fire department on the roof, if they could break the doors open with equipment and perhaps make an attempt to rescue people and extinguish the fire
I suppose the smoke was so blinding that rescue operators should first have to distinguish that. If not for the smoke in that height, then I guess many would have been rescued
I used to work on the 32nd floor of a 40 story tower from years 2000-2013 and not once during those 13 years did anyone there ever mention wanting to keep a parachute under their desk...neither before nor after 9/11 happened. Its just not something skyscraper workers ever want to think about.
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The picture of the 3 men in the windows is crazy. Where did you find that picture? If I’m not mistaken that must be one of the only women pictures from people on 9/11 in the buildings where you can actually see their faces
It sounds silly, but I often thought of a top to bottom slide that would convey people quickly down with a rubberized matting to slow you as you reach bottom.
There was a loud explosion before the north tower fell. It was big explosion I heard on a new Yorkers video on you tube. Also most of the fuel would have burned up on impact on the out side of the building. The big fire ball of the north tower. You do see a flash before it hits.I think they need to come up with better escape plans for building like the world trade centers.
I don't think the chute would open correctly because anyone jumping would be really close to the building, I think you would have to create some space between you and the building. so the jumper would have to lunge their self out the window to try and get that space? and of course then you have to open the chute quickly, you would have literally only seconds.
How would have the rescue operations differed if everyone knew the exact time the towers would collapse? Knowing there was 0% chance of them getting to the impact zone in the North tower on time, would they have had the police shoot as many windows below the impact zone and tell people to try their best to shimmy down and escape the trapped floors via the broken windows? And what about the South tower?
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My personal opinion is on our Ferries we used something called a Marine Evacuation Chute and it was developed from a chute meant to evacuate skyscrapers now here's where the argument lies would it save people it would have to be deployed from the sides which were somewhat clear of the impact zone you would survive now it doesn't matter the height it is designed to slow down the decent now you definitely would have broken legs but if you had paramedics waiting at the bottom to evacuate you could have evacuated the upper floors
I like my odds jumping with a parachute better than jumping without one.
Slim and none
@@mavjimbo I disagree, people have BASE jumped the WTC, yes there is a significant chance of dying anyway but someone experienced in skydiving could survive.
Me too
Right? What a stupid premise
Yeah, but the idea that there would be parachutes available and waiting is rather far-fetched.
Please never run out of 9/11 videos
I agree
And i was next to it that day.
@@dannyrichards-nb9shon skibidi?
@@dannyrichards-nb9sh Did you immediately leave?
@@dannyrichards-nb9sh dang what did it sound like?
I am really glad these attacks did not happen in the current day, there would be so much horrific footage from live-streaming etc, nobody wants to see their loved ones like that in their final moments
I was telling my wife the same thing
Imagine all the people that would have died on live
Well, algorithms on YT, Instagram and FB are good enough to delete that. So, live - yes, in record - no. Maybe, on Telegram and Reddit we would see something, since their policy ain't so strict.
Unfortunately a lot of people start recording these days before trying to get away from horrific situations
@@freschcookablepeople back then did, people snuck into the WTC plaza during 9/11 just to grab good pics/vids
If I worked in a skyscraper I would take base jumping lessons and keep a parachute under my desk. I would rather take my life into my own hands than wait around to see if I get rescued.
That’s silly.
@@howUlikemenowprecaution’s over anything
@@howUlikemenowno thats logik mate ;)
True it is always be careful in Skyscrapers
No you wouldn’t
The fact that this video is 9 minutes and 11 seconds long didn't escape me.
9:10 long for me
@@importedmusic Makes me wonder where that 11th second could have gone.
@@aarongreenfield9038 he intentionally made it 9:10 and some milliseconds, which shows up as 9:11 on thumbnails etc.
It's 9:10
@@stuartbrown25 Yes It may be on a technical level, but the time stamp on the video says 911.
Anyone working in Freedom Tower (especially the upper floors) should probably consider keeping an emergency parachute in their desks, as well as taking a class learning how to use it.
But wouldn’t freedom tower take more damage and (at least partially) collapse on impact because it’s mostly glass?
@@aidanlynnthat’s a good point but I don’t see us going through another 9/11.
I do and before the election.
@rebeccaa2433 good point ☝️
This has to be the only event in history i could witness live on TV that still gives me chills and a horrible sense of dread. If there was hell on earth than those trapped in the building definitely saw a glimpse of it.
If I recall, there was consideration to develop a BASE jumping parachute for novices to be used in case of emergency. The canopy was to be deployed by a static line attached to the building. It was tested at the Perrine bridge in Idaho.
On that terrible day a high school classmate and company colleague were lost. They will not be forgotten.
Insurance would be outrageous for the companies tho, you'd have to be able to insure the company against liability if Janice and Pete's parachutes fail and they splat, the lawsuits would be outrageous
A video about Edna Cintron the women that was pictured standing on the broken beams in the impact zone of the north tower would be interesting, its crazy to imagine how she must have felt looking down standing right on the edge, waving for help.
I agree,you are so right,what a horrible feeling knowing you are about to burn to death, or having the building collapse on you !
You forgot to mention jumping out with all the debris falling out of the building.
i appreciate the touch of the vid being 9:11 long
The irony
@@trmp9923 it's not ironic.
There was a guy on the 110 floor of the North Tower that quit because he was paranoid of a fire being caused by all the electrical equipment on the floor. He was told he couldn’t bring one so he quite a few months before 9/11
There was a guy who took out an insurance policy a few months before. They don’t call him lucky Larry Silverstein for nothing.
@@AustrianPainter14 He just bought the buildings a few months prior. An insurance policy was just part of the process of purchasing the buildings
@@AustrianPainter14Is your home insured? Or other valuable property insured?
Don't be dumb........
I just watched 9/11 a day in America, and they did attempt a helicopter rescue, but no one was on the roof. The northwest corner of one of the towers was clear of smoke, they would have tried if someone was up there, but sadly no one was
I recommend watching “World Trade Center”. Released in 2006 and it’s a movie about 2 firefighters stuck under the rubble of the World Trade Center. You might be interested in it. It’s just like 9/11 one day in America but not a documentary. It’s mostly about, the first responders story.
The doors leading to the roof were locked
I dont think anybody could get on the roof but matenance workers
At 3:51 those broken windows with the people at them that wasn't on 9/11 was it??
@@misguidedangel6550 no. that is a photo from the first terrorist attack on the World Trade Center back in 1993.
The helicopter pilots who had flown above the buildings to attempt a rooftop rescue said that the south tower had too much smoke and was out of play, and that there was a small opening on the northwest corner of the north tower where they maybe could have rescued people, but no one was up there. I believe there were phone call accounts as well from people in the south tower that had made it to the top but could not break open the door to reach the roof. Maybe this happened in both towers. Not sure what the protocol was for keeping those doors locked, but in hindsight it's obviously terrible to think about.
I’ve played this scenario out in my head for 23 years. I’m thinking if I worked at the twin towers I would have kept an emergency chute at my desk
Ive never seen that zoomed in photo before. Man, those poor people.
not totally certain, but that close up might be from the 1993 bombing.
@@vincebagadonis8016 it is!
@vincebagadonis8016 that makes more sense. Because they don't look in complete terror as I would expect if they were completely stuck.
@@lavishrw guy in the middle seems to be enjoying himself.
Jumping into the core may have been more frightening than out the window ,at least the window u know it’s over. If u jump in the core I’m sure it was pitch black,probably fire and full of smoke it would’ve been like falling into hell 😢
This event still haunts people. 23 years later.
The people who lived through it, not people born after. I don't think they give a crap unless it's something on tiktok.
@@ai5ddTRUTH ☝️
There's a picture I saw of a jumper using her coat as a makeshift parachute, heartbreaking
Eeeeek.
Like Mary Poppins' umbrella
@@johneckert1365 cmon man😭
I worked at a skydiving dropzone for a summer about 12 years ago and my ex was a skydiving instructor there, he also held a couple records for most skydives in one day by one person in a couple of states. I was actually on site for both events. You can imagine it was a special setup and race to complete from sunrise to setting. He did like 110. He had to do what are called hop n pops to get them all done in time and safely. I think that the lowest altitude he could go to and immediately pull to deploy was 2000 or 1500 ft to ensure he made it down in time and safely. They were quick at that height literally immediately pulled after he stepped foot out of the plane/zero free fall and there were still several that just seemed too dang close for my liking. Even without the free fall/being under canopy it was only a matter of seconds until he was on the ground and he’s an exceptionally experienced skydiver. IMO, it would have taken very skilled skydivers/base jumpers to actually even have a chance of surviving that jump and you’d have to be up towards the very top. Forget all of the chaotic factors of the day - things like you mentioned about the obstacles of the buildings/terraces and then the lack of clear safe landing locations on the ground. Getting the gear on safely/securely is another factor. Can’t imagine a novice trying to get strapped to it safely with all the chaos going on. It’s not like just a backpack. Controlling the risers and braking handles can be physically difficult too.
I packed parachutes there and it’s a very intricate system. Heck, even with my familiarity of the rigs, I only did one jump/tandem bc I’m petrified of heights. Even working around them for an entire summer, packing them and helping rig up tandem jumpers, I’d probably not be able to get it on correctly nor pull or control it if I were in the situation. At best everyone intending to use them would need thorough training and likely annually to even have a fighting chance of potentially surviving a hop n pop/BASE jump out. At worst, I think you’d have a whole lot of chaos - people hitting the ground having never pulled in time, people smacking into each other with or without open canopies - the lucky folks that deployed in time would be entangling chutes with each other and racing to the ground intertwined even faster than the 15/20 second ride without becoming entangled. And so on. Oh and an insane amount of critical casualties would end up perishing in a lot more pain than if they hadn’t had a drag to slow them down. Like, gruesome painful injuries from not deploying correctly - instead of instant lights out, they could be gravely injured and suffering bc they were merely slowed down and that would be an awful way to suffer before passing.
I do commend your videos for exploring these types of inquiries so many years on. I’ve definitely thought about whether or not I think I could successfully jump with a rig and make it down alive plenty of times myself.
Oh and then the logistics of the cost of the rigs, they are not cheap! Gosh maybe $5k per full rig for a basic setup, obviously they go well up over $10k for sport/sophisticated rigs. Most people rent them from the DZ or you can buy secondhand etc. A standard BASE jumping rig might be like $3kish. Then the cost to maintain and inspect them however often. Initial and probably annual training - even if very basic. Then the joys of the US these days, the liability /lawsuits from families of those who gave it a shot and it didn’t work so now they’re suing. Just so many variables.
I get though that this is hypothetical and this could just be in reference to an individual keeping a rig at their desk. If they had experience either BASE jumping or with hop n pops and they weren’t up against several other random people jumping out with chutes on at the same time, depending on location and if you were like at the very top and not obstructed by smoke or obstacles in your path or on the ground, definitely doable and worth it if the opportunity presented itself! I would have given it a shot even with my fear of heights and very limited experience!
I love your detailed comment. I'd brought up this subject in a previous video and have thought about it for years. I did do one single jump on a static line. I did read that you could possibly pull a chute as low as 800ft. The Twin Towers were nearly 1800 ft high at the roof level. I'm running with the premise that anyone who takes a chute up to their high floor office, would be proficient in using it and my theory about this is based on a single person having a chute, which cuts out all these chaotic possibilities of jumpers getting tangled etc and novice jumpers not having the first clue what to do. But...even in a very chaotic situation, statistically, some people would have survived. Some would have landed on other buildings, some in parks, some on roads and others in the water. I figure that's a lot better than zero survivors.
This hypothetical expert would have to have a cool head, take note of the wind conditions, be very aware of obstacles and have his/her landing spots already scoped out given the various wind conditions. The very prepared person, would scope out the conditions each day they went to work. That's a level of obsession that's very unlikely for such an unlikely event. It would have to be a person that simple found the mental exercise to be fun. These types of people do exist, but they are rare. I used to abseil but I still have a normal fear of heights, but given the prosect of being pulverized to dust or jumping with a chance, I'd definitely jump. Also, consider this: How many people jumped without a chute? That took complete desperation. If all those jumpers had a chute, I bet some would have lived.
John Vincent wore it like a backpack at the same location, there's different types of parachutes that have different purposes. Some are designed to go with the wind, others are for manoeuvring by yourself.
@@urbanyouths I hadn't really give the type of canopy, much thought, but I see that the round types open faster, thus potentially would drift further. Other types are more responsive in steering. I'm not an expert, but I think an expert jumper would know how to steer well and would have a responsive chute. I presume this will enable them to be more precise with their planned landing spot and have the ability to avoid obstacles closer to the drop spot.
Perhaps a Sionide capsule or a pistol is a better device to keep in your desk for a similar situation 🤷♂️
Because of 9/11, I made a pact long ago that if I ever have to work high up in a tall building like this, I would have a wingsuit and glider parachute on hand somewhere in my work space
Smart
Love that this video is excactly 9 minutes 11 seconds long
You could have a really tall fire pole to slide down, that way people could access it at any floor and slide down the way firefighters or the Ghostbusters do!
I’ve Always thought that
There’s a story of the chief chef on the titanic, He thought he was doom and was gonna die so he went into the ships pantry and made it his mission to not leave one bottle of alcohol on the ship left. He got so drunk and actually survived because of it. Most people died within 20 minutes of hitting the 28 degree water, Yet he swam for 2 hours and survived because of the alcohol. Is it possible that someone in the wtc knew there was no escape so decided to go to the windows of the world and drink as much as they can as a last hurrah? I know it’s a dark topic but it’s just interesting to talk about when you brought up the titanic
Alcohol keeps one's body warm. A person survived because he was in a cold water after drinking alcohol. In the burning buildings, this would be counterproductive, right? You would get more hot and die quickly, that's what I think
Alcohol lowers your body temperature, but it makes one feel warm. Drinking alcohol to stay warm hastens hypothermia. Look it up.
Yeah, when I rode my bike in winter (and was still drinking) I would have a couple of beers before a long bike ride in winter because it makes it so much more tolerable. Even one beer/drink. The issue is that it's hard for me to just have two beers. ha.
I remember reading somewhere, that an employee of one of the company's that had offices high up in one of the towers, had asked about having parachutes and doing training for their use. Unfortunately his idea was rejected out of hand, quite harshly, if I remember correctly. They were told that the towers were built to withstand tremendous damage. We all know what happened, but nobody in the late 60's, when these buildings were designed, would expect someone to deliberately crash a jetliner into the towers fully laden with fuel.
You could not "jump down into the impact zone" on the North tower and escape. There is the famous waving woman, who is stood in that impact zone. Somehow she survived the impact and destruction of her floor, but there was no way out. The stairs are gone, chocked full of rubble. If you look at photos of the fires. Up to three floors below her are engulfed in flame. You are not getting out doing that.
I enjoy this series idc what anyone says. I always wonder these questions and for someone to make a full blown discussion about this is necessary and appreciated. Thank you
The tangents in this one. 😅
I found the article about building an emergency escape BASE jumping rig for novices:
"Aside from the absolute unlikelihood of being caught in a burning high rise and actually having a rig right there, finding a way to get out a window, avoiding the sucking phenomenon that occurs when flames meet air, and landing safely in a city environment that has devolved into chaos all seem pretty dubious. “As a base jumper,” Jimmy said, “If I got trapped in a burning building, I would take the stairs.”
I've done a bit of BASE jumping and I can say that the best bet would definitely be to parachute out. I've done some quick research, and the North Tower was about 1,300 feet tall. Now, most experienced BASE jumpers don't generally attempt a jump at or below 2,000 feet. If you jump below 2,000 feet you're really pushing your luck, but it is possible and has been done many times.
So let's assume you've found a parachute on one of the upper floors. Owen Quinn BASE jumped from the North Tower in 1975, but he was an experienced jumper. If you're inexperienced and you've managed to fend off your coworkers for the chute then you're going to want to get to the roof as quickly as possible, you'll need all the height you can get. You've mentioned in other videos that the roof might have been locked off, if that's the case then maybe you'd have to break a window on the top floor or something. In this situation, feet = time. The more height you can get the more time you'll have to sort out a panic attack, fumble your hands for the cord, and try to guide yourself to safety.
I think the best bet would be to try and land in the Hudson River. Trying to land in Lower Manhattan would decrease your chances of survival significantly. In BASE jumping even small obstacles can cause death, broken bones, or other severe injuries. Unlike what you see in video games, when you parachute, you often come in pretty hard. You would want to have seen it in some movies or something so you know to land feet first at least.
Honestly, if you land in the Hudson, your chances of surviving would be pretty decent as long as you know how to swim and you don't get tangled in your parachute, which could drown you (similar to falling in a pool while the pool cover is on, the chute would envelop you and trap you). When you hit the water, you would want to take a deep breath and immediately remove the harness, then swim down and away from the chute before coming up.
Anyway, I hope this helps some time travelling BASE jumpers in the future.
Another guy BASE jumped off the South Tower in 93 I seen the video he landed in Central Park.. John Vincent was his name it’s on CZcams
You think if it didn’t reply they would survive?
He John Vincent landed in Battery park my bad not Central Park
Surprised you didn't mention the powerful winds up there...
A witness from an adjacent building had clear view of those who were forced to jump from the windows of the towers, he made eye contact with them right before they jumped and said he saw the souls of the jumpers leave the body just before impacting the ground and disintegrating..
Geeeez 😱
this is the question i have always asked.
I want to correct you on something... When the towers were designed they took into account a plane crash. They designed the towers to absorb a plane crash on any portion of the tower, but the planes they had at the time were considerably smaller than a jumbo jet and they thought if a plane did hit the towers it would be one coming from far away and not familiar with the area and there wouldn't be a full fuel load.
Think of the people that finally accessed the stairwell in the south tower and thought they were saved. If 15 got out there must’ve been another 15 or so on the way out when it collapsed
I can not get enough of you talking about 911 Wtc
Me either, after almost 23 years I'm still can't believe it happened in hometown N.Y.C
It is well known one person on the 93rd floor kept one after the original bombing. Alas, the plane went directly into his floor, so it was a moot point.
Equip the FDNY with a platform that could scale the outside of the building. Use the window washer tracks. The firefighters wear a parachute and carry other chutes to give to people they find.
You could have a stack of static line parachutes (not packed, like paratroopers sometimes use) in a facility near the roof. You don't need too much space and a simple open window to leap out.
There'd be a battle to decide who gets to use them though. Definitely within reach of a multi-millionaire exec to have installed in their office a facility only for their own personal use.
You've always been optimistic. Especially the NODADDYDONTTOUCHMETHERE
days
I think it's possible. The most difficult thing would be controlling your descent, so you don't hit another building going down and pull the rip cord in time.
I think it's absolutely possible if a person had some experience skydiving. Having Base jumping experience would be the best, dozens of base jumpers have jumped off buildings over the years.
Yes I think so. I imagine you would want to pull the cord early, so that you get maximum drift time and can get well clear of the structure. Imagine being in mid flight when the building you jumped from, started falling. It would be mindblowing, but you'd have to contend with the giant dust cloud.
I have never jumped with a parachute, but I do know that they have a yearly event where they allow people to parachute off the New River Gorge Bridge in West Virginia, USA. I read that you have to have some kind of special certification or training in order to be allowed to do it because the bridge is only 876 feet tall. The original world trade center buildings we're 1300 feet tall. So I would think that anyone jumping would have to have the knowledge and ability to know when to pull the cord in time to avoid smashing into the ground.
The hypothetical I’ve always wondered about was the possibility of using something like a fire hose or some long rope to rappel from the upper floors to somewhere below the impact zone. From there, they could break another window and get back into the tower below the impact and escape down that way. It would be incredibly dangerous, but I think it could be almost plausible
I've thought about this, but it would be incredibly difficult. I don't know how strong the windows were either? You would need to carry a hammer or something to break the window and be able to swing the object while clinging onto the hose or rope. A nightmare. The guy who shimmied down could have done it, but then why didn't he try to break a window. Did he try and fall? I really don't know. I just think breaking the window would be harder than most people imagine. I got thrown into a window once during a street fight and I bounced off. Toughened glass is really hard to break.
@@Justyburger yeah these are really good points and I agree it breaking windows is much easier said than done. I do think it’s easy to come up with hypotheticals with all the knowledge we have looking back. Having to come up with all this in the moment would be another thing entirely
@@Justyburger The lethal winds up there, even on sunny, clear sky days...
These videos be entertaining fr 🐐
Former Airborne trooper here !
Of, all the 300 comments I can say with absolute certainty that 3% maybe have used or actually know how to work a parachute.
Also smoke and debris are absolute terrible to fly through with them and downright unsurvivable if any piece of debris or fire hit your chute.
Man I love your reviews, you are objective and respectfull
Bro after 9/11 there were parachutes designed for office use for sale. The rip cord you had to tie to a piece of furniture so it would deploy automatically.
That's dope.
The biggest issue was that the steel supports weren't encased in concrete. It caused the steel to melt and collapse the building. I wonder if that would have caused the buildings to sway more and lead to a more unsteady jump?
You should have talked about whould it be possible to actually get the parachute open rather than would it be possible to find one lying around in the building. Just assume you have one
Could specially made equipment have been able to enable the FDNY to suppress or extinguish the fires on the top floors? Prepositioned water pumps and hoses on every 10 floors of the building?
this is 9 minutes and eleven seconds
Holy fuck
Experienced Skydivers BASE Jump off Fixed Structures: "BASE" is an acronym that stands for four categories of fixed objects from which one can jump: buildings, antennas (referring to radio masts), spans (bridges), and earth (cliffs). People in Twin Towers would need to go to Rooftop. Windows in surviving floors after Impact were extremely tough type of Glass. Hypothetically, if Windows could be broken, people could BASE Jump from their own Floors. Regardless of Jumping from Roof or through Broken Windows, people would be limited how far they could get away from Buildings. Air currents can suck a Parachutist back against the Exterior Walls, resulting in Chute collapsing. Then Jumper is truly just like other Jumpers without Parachutes.
Exactly.
There was a video of a guy that base jumped from the top of the Towers back in the day. He survived & recorded it in it's entirety. It's probably somewhere on CZcams.
And regarding the helicopter scenario , they could have saved people, the wind was taking the smoke to one side of the buildings , but can you imagine how many people would be fighting to get on board . We would of needed dozens and dozens of helicopters at the ready to rescue people back to back one copter after the next, but unfortunately access to the roof was locked and prevented people from reaching the top
Were any of the elevator shafts below the impact floors operable at all? Are there elevator lift motors that the FDNY could bring to a skyscraper fire that would enable firefighters to manually ride an elevator car in an elevator shaft? Would the FDNY have been able to extinguish fires if they were able to get men up to the burning floors?
I think in the south tower on got fixed and ran up to the 44 floor
Also I love ur videos my dude! Because ur not annoying or byest or just plane stupid or click bate, keep it up ..p.s keep it up , senserly from ur number 1 # fan!
The parachute idea is silly. Your best bet in WTC 1 was to climb and reach the mechanical floor. It's an open air walkway for HVAC and if you reached it, there's a strong possibility that you could get back into the building, especially since it was below the impact point just below the sky lobby.
Actually those Towers were a catastrophe waiting to happen. Port Authority refused to follow the strict Codes NYC and FDNY had for public safety in Hi-rise Bldgs. (Fire Commissioner refused to sign off on them.) The PA grouped all three of the stairways in the core area for ease of construction and lower costs. FDNY wanted (as other Bldgs had), a FIRE TOWER. That is a stairway usually in a corner that has a vented access hallway protected with a 4 Hr firedoor. After you pass through the hall another 4Hr door leads to the wide stairs enclosed within 4Hr walls.
NO LIVES HAVE BEEN LOST IN NYC TO BLDGS WITH THAT STAIRWAY.
To be fair, how many of those buildings have been hit by jet liners?
@@UnfairEnforcer Your question is good, but misses the main point. Had PA installed the Fire Tower, most of those above the crash could have escaped. NFPA rules (minimum) state at least 2 exits remote from each other. PA grouped all 3 within yards of each other. Yes jet crash is extreme, but so were those Towers
@@UnfairEnforcerRight 💯
The towers met building codes in effect at the time they were designed and/or built. Those 2 stairwells far away from eachother sound great, but it's not realistic or feasible to build new stairwells into an older building that already exists. Much easier said than done. Same with automobiles. Imagine if we were required to update our older cars/trucks to meet current safety standards. We couldn't.
@@johneckert1365 No you are quite wrong. The PA used their own codes for those Towers. FDNY Commish refused to sign off on those Bldgs because they were so poor. They were the first to use lightweight open web bar joist metal trusses for floor supports. Those trusses were placed on small metal ledges and tack-welded. PA realized they needed viso-elastic dampers to reduce the sway of the lighter weight Bldgs vs Old Code like Empire State Bldg. The Fire Towers I spoke of were Required in all commercial Bldgs over 100 feet after 1921. (Code change due to Triangle Shirtwaist Fire.) PA refused to install them because it would take up too much floor area!
Thanks so much for making this video. I had mentioned the concept of parachuting off, a few weeks ago in one of your videos. I have done one single parachute jump, but an expert in the field, would have some very interesting things to say for sure. I remain convinced that it would have been very possible. If a person was skilled, they would take wind direction into account and plan their landing spot. I assume you would have to make sure you jumped well clear of the side of the building, so that the chute did not skim down the building structure and get caught or tangled. Because of the huge size of these buildings, you would have enough glide time to get well clear of the immediate impact zone. It might have been possible to land in Rockefeller Park or Washington Market park? Maybe the Battery Park Ball Fields? I think that landing on another building would be very risky, unless there is a large flat roof. It would be better to land on the ground. It would also have been possible to land in the water at the yacht harbour? There are many hypothetical possibilities here. I really would love to hear the views of an expert and what they would have done, had they gone to work with a chute.
If you had a chute, you would have to plan your exit fast, before someone else could grab the chute. I even wondered if one chute could carry two people. Imagine you were there with your Wife and there is no way you could leave her. You either give her the chute and sacrifice yourself or you try to do a tandem jump. I'm always thinking about this type of thing. In all this carnage and hell, I would have loved to hear a story like this, where someone jumped off and survived. I bet there are people out there, who have a parachute in their tall building office.
What if they had the inflatable hamster balls
neck breaking simulator
@@Mere-Lachaiselongueoh
Proably explode still because of the fall and impact
They wouldn't be able to squeeze them through the steel columns. Those columns were only about shoulder width wide.
Not to mention they would most certainly explode upon impact with the ground traveling at such a high speed.
@@bowengass4215 Surprisingly hamster balls can withstand more than most people would imagine. You'd still end up with every bone broken and your brain turned to mush inside your fractured skull but the ball could possibly survive such a fall.
In 2001, the Twin Towers were the superstars of high-rise buildings. No one ever dreamed a 9/11 situation would ever happen. The windows I believe could not be opened from the inside, that day for security reasons the roof was locked and could not be accessed, and all emergency plans depended on the core stairways which were destroyed in the attack. Now a question. If you were on one of the upper floors and had a parachute were would you go to jump out of the building?
Probably the highest floor reschable on the side away from the impact site.
@posticusmaximus1739 The thing no one thinks about when they go to work each day is that their workplace will be destroyed by a terrorist or another such act, so why have a parachute in your desk draw. A plan of escape, yes, knowing where all the exits emergency or not are located, yes, but there is little most of us could do trying to escape a 9/11 type situation.
This is a question I've asked myself for over 20 years
I have often wondered about this scenario, myself. I guess the potential to survive such a catastrophe as 9/11 would depend upon what type of parachute, which way the wind was blowing, and what other buildings/obstructions were on the side that you jumped out of. I do agree with Depressed Ginger though that just about anybody would take that chance, rather than choke on the billowing smoke if they were were trapped above the impact zone.
Base jumpers often jump off skyscrapers. It's really gusty up near the top of skyscrapers so the risk of getting knocked into a building would be high. Finding a landing spot would be tough since drivers in the city are often out of control.
Yeah these are two major issues. The wind and the landing spot. An experienced jumper would pick the wind direction and the direction would determine the approximate landing spot too. There are various small parks and even the Hudson river. Landing on a road will have risks and landing on other buildings would also be risky. Mind you...anything would be better than being pulverised as part of the building collapses. If people jumped without chutes, they sure would definitely jump with them. I definitely would. If there were many chutes, I believe there would be many survivors. Some would have accidents with the side of the building or with their landing spots, but some would definitely have survived. No chute means definitely no survival.
Short haul helicopter rescue would have worked, they use it in wildland firefighting all the time when people are injured in remote terrain where a helicoper cannot land.
That's an interesting point, but no, I think the powerful winds up there would make it suicidal
no joke when this happened I told myself if I ever worked in a skyscraper I would bring a parachute to work. 9 year old me was smart af
Could they provided enough parachutes for everyone about certain floor? And how many parachutes would they supply for for people on how high of floors? How high up in the tower would you have to be for a parachute to be supplied for you???? Those are all questions to consider!
Could people inside Twin Towers fight against fire?
Wingsuit would be sick.
The ferocious winds up there. No way.
The only other possibility would be to Die Hard it with a cord or something to the lower floors and hope to break a lower window.
I remember within a year or so after 9/11 there was a lot of talk about putting in emergency parachutes and one concept I heard was having windows that could be removed and lockers full of parachutes with a device that would be attached to the window frames that would pull the cord for you after a certain distance.
you could install certain zip lines on skyscrapers to other lower building roofs.... working people could've the counter parts available on every floor
What about if it had some kind of rappel rope on the top floor which is coiled up (like in R6V) and you can just feed it out of the broken window down to the street and climb down it?
I’d say you could definitely survive jumping from the towers on 9/11 if you had had an intact parachute that you could put on in the moments after the plane impacts
But, of course, nobody did
I disagree. The powerful winds up there. No contest sadly.
Would it have been possible to of climbed down hugging the outside beams or inching down between the beams pushing against them and possibly using something to increase grip?
Dg did one a while ago that showed a guy doing that on north tower.
He got down quite a few floors before disappearing when the south tower fell.
I'm sure it showed the column next to the one he was scaling down had a broken window so he could of escaped if he was on that one 😢
Any outside stairs structures or inflatable stuffs, or safety escape wires on each window.
Any building should have improved their security since 09/11. Did they?
I remember adults talking about this ad nauseam for months after. And very serious words were spoken about highrises being equipped with parachutes like freaking fire extinguishers. It would have never worked. Was there a news report talking about this?? It’s like a half forgotten phantom memory of mine.
So u build several storage rooms, fill em with parachutes (over 650 cantor employees killed in tower one) so how many chutes u gonna store? Impossible to determine.
How many more videos can you squeeze out of 9/11?
DG: Yes
Why aren't jetpacks available on a mass-produced & affordable level?
(and yes, I'm taking into account instant rebuttals that naturally follow a wild ass statement like that)
I welcome all ideas and I like the jetpack idea but they take more training and they are a bigger bulkier item than a chute. They also have flammable substances in them and would not be allowed in the building.
After the bldg was hit in 1993 i would not have gone back in as it was a target.... Also would fire dept nets have helped?
What If they climb down? Like brake a window and T-post down below the impact and run the rest away down?
Dumb question I know
If a parachute attempt was to be made - above the fire likely would not be possible. The building above the plane strike would act like a giant chimney. The tremendous heat generated by the fire rises. Thus - if you weren't quickly toasted to death - the heat would carry your parachute upward (like a hot air balloon), and within a few seconds your chute would likely burst into flames or flip you over and down. The super heated air would rob the atmosphere of breathable oxygen. There are a dozen scientific reasons you probably wouldn't make it. However - it's a 100% likelihood just jumping out of any window higher than three stories would not work. Jumping from a window below the fire line would need to be from a minimum of 30 stories to allow the chute to open (might work with a little luck). If I worked higher than thirty stories - I might consider getting some training and keep a chute in my office.
Always wondered if helicopters would be able to drop members of the fire department on the roof, if they could break the doors open with equipment and perhaps make an attempt to rescue people and extinguish the fire
I suppose the smoke was so blinding that rescue operators should first have to distinguish that. If not for the smoke in that height, then I guess many would have been rescued
I also wonder what if they had cable fire ladder. That a person could break out a window may make to under the impact zone
I used to work on the 32nd floor of a 40 story tower from years 2000-2013 and not once during those 13 years did anyone there ever mention wanting to keep a parachute under their desk...neither before nor after 9/11 happened. Its just not something skyscraper workers ever want to think about.
Finally a video about a parachute
Maybe you could make some videos on Costa Concordia?😊
Please do an analysis of how it could of possibly been if the hijacked planes would of been intercepted in time before they could hit the towers.
Where is the link to your X profile? It was supposed to be in the description.
Look at the channel description. There it is. (Video description then go all the way down to channel information there you will find the answer you were looking for)
The picture of the 3 men in the windows is crazy. Where did you find that picture? If I’m not mistaken that must be one of the only women pictures from people on 9/11 in the buildings where you can actually see their faces
It sounds silly, but I often thought of a top to bottom slide that would convey people quickly down with a rubberized matting to slow you as you reach bottom.
There was a loud explosion before the north tower fell. It was big explosion I heard on a new Yorkers video on you tube. Also most of the fuel would have burned up on impact on the out side of the building. The big fire ball of the north tower. You do see a flash before it hits.I think they need to come up with better escape plans for building like the world trade centers.
I don't think the chute would open correctly because anyone jumping would be really close to the building, I think you would have to create some space between you and the building. so the jumper would have to lunge their self out the window to try and get that space? and of course then you have to open the chute quickly, you would have literally only seconds.
anyone have source of the zoomed in shots of the north tower and the guys looking out?
yeah, it's called base jumping. you just have to pull the cord as SOON as your feet leave the structure
You probably would hit the ground before the parachute could fully deploy.
How does he go from minute maid park in houston texas to sepetember 11, 2001
These videos are so interesting
How would have the rescue operations differed if everyone knew the exact time the towers would collapse?
Knowing there was 0% chance of them getting to the impact zone in the North tower on time, would they have had the police shoot as many windows below the impact zone and tell people to try their best to shimmy down and escape the trapped floors via the broken windows? And what about the South tower?
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What if a bigger plane (like a Boeing 747) hit the towers?
My personal opinion is on our Ferries we used something called a Marine Evacuation Chute and it was developed from a chute meant to evacuate skyscrapers now here's where the argument lies would it save people it would have to be deployed from the sides which were somewhat clear of the impact zone you would survive now it doesn't matter the height it is designed to slow down the decent now you definitely would have broken legs but if you had paramedics waiting at the bottom to evacuate you could have evacuated the upper floors