Our Star Trek Addiction - Ep. 75 of Intentionally Blank
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- Brandon and Dan officially talk about Star Trek and the intricacies of the captains, Series, and personal favorite moments.
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Starting the episode by saying you're definitely going to talk about a video game you both personally worked on, then abandoning it entirely to talk about Star Trek for a half hour, is maybe the most on-brand Intentionally Blank move you've done yet.
That "The Writers wish they were writing for Battlestar Galactica" is too real
I hope this podcast never stops. I have never seen an episode of Star Trek yet this conversation was fantastic.
Uh, go watch Star Trek
@@dmi5664 how do you even get into it. There’s so much right
Where do you start, what should you skip etc..?
@@edelkebap I will say, the Original Series has such long, slow episodes it's great if you wanna zone out and forget the world exists
Babylon 5 is a really good binge, the level to which it was planned out from the beginning really shines through. The whole series comes together as a single coherent story when you watch it all.
It's unfortunate that the video quality and effects simply suck. It seriously detracts from a great story.
@@watcherofwatchers for the time it was decent.
As a huge B5 fan I must admit it has a rough start. Pilot and season one was worse than the rest of series in my opinion.
@@Torsin2000 Maybe, but it doesn't hold up. Plus the conversions they did to modern formats are horrendous. What used to look decent doesn't anymore.
@@watcherofwatchers ohh, I agree. Granted I have 1-4 on dvd that I converted myself.
It would be nice if they remastered them, granted it was a mediocre sci-fi that was overly predictable. It was still good.
Just finished reading Rhythm of War and was delighted to find this episode just posted to calm my soul.
I'm halfway done with Radiance right now!
ah Ryhtem of war. Such a wonderfully horrible set of cliffhangers.
@@TheLizardKing752 It just keeps getting better!
I'm into Words of Radiance right now, I keep hearing that the later two are even greater, it's exciting !
I have literally never read a Brandon Sanderson novel, I have no idea who the second guy is. I found this podcast because I was curious one day on how to write... OMG, I am intrigued and keep coming back just for Food Heist. Today's was *chef kiss*
Have you watched his series on how to write? The other guy Dan wells has a good video on story structure as well, with examples to make it easy to understand
Glad to hear Galaxy Quest and Babylon 5 mentioned, but what about a more recent extra-canonical text - The Orville?
Seasons one and two. New Horizons was absolutely terrible.
@@dark_winter8238 There were some strong episodes in season three, but I'll agree that the extra runtime didn't do the show any good.
"Today we're going to talk about, Moonbreaker!" You know when the title is different than what they claim they're talking about. There's a good chance they get side tracked. Maybe they won't maybe they will. It'll be good either way.
Food heist time! Grab yo snacks
Grab someone else's snacks*
As a fellow DS9 lover, Dan is making me consider giving Strange New World a try! Awesome podcast, as always
It's definitely an extremely welcome step towards 90's era Star Trek and away from Picard and Discovery.
It's a great show! You'll like it.
I’ve watched the first 6 or so episodes and really enjoyed them. Going to continue soon. A welcome return to form.
It's fantastic.
I was in high school when First Contact cam out and while it clearly couldn't touch JJ Trek in terms of monetary success, it was the first time in my life my non Trek friends liked and talked about anything Star Trek
TNG really does have some masterful episodes that “in a vacuum” are just so emotional and thought provoking. S5 ep. 25 really displayed that. Some of the best television. Extremely pleased to have gotten this topic today.
I think Data's Day and The Offspring are my two favorite TNG episodes. But then Data is my favorite character so... and he kinda feels relatable to me....
And don't forget he eventually took his ultimate human feat by sacrificing himself for Picard!
@@jonelectronics510 I.... don't know what you're talking about....
@@jonelectronics510 "don't forget" I want to though u_u
I gotta say, in terms of consistency of leadership and bringing people together in a crisis, I'd rather serve under Janeway. She got those people home.
There was an iconic Picard speech in First Contact. "This far; no farther," and so on. What's interesting is that, this time, he's giving it to himself (by proxy, more or less. He's speaking to someone else). I'd argue that this is the best Picard speech, because he talks HIMSELF into doing the right thing.
Not just that, but the response to his righteous anger. "You broke your little ships. " She put him in his place and made him realize that, even though it was righteous anger, giving into it was just destructive. He had to temper himself to be ABLE to do the right thing. Great scene.
First Contact has some great bits in it. For a number of years I kinda hated on it for being the big dumb action Trek, and for it kinda re-writing Picard into this Trauma-riddled mess of a man, which is all still true. But I've soften on how much I dislike those bits, and I think I like the good bits more than I used to. It's the best of the TNG movies by a good leap, though it doesn't stand up to 2, 4, and 6.
Reminds me of the group that was stealing maple syrup and refilling the barrels with water. I can't remember how many tons of maple syrup was stolen and sold on the black market before they where caught.
Edit:
It was the Great Canadian Maple Syrup Heist. They stole nearly 3,000 tonnes valued at $18.7 million
It's funny yet, delicious 😋
The only thing that would have made it more Canadian is if the thieves had left behind a hand written apology
I've never been a Star Trek fan, but I enjoy listening to the passion for a franchise between friends.
Me sitting in the corner as the sole member of the voyager fan club 😂
Grew up with Voyager. . .I loved its premise, but Janeway gets grating after a while. And though I love her bridge crew. . . I feel TNG's crew just lands better.
You're not alone!
I'm there too, friend.
Voyager is my number 1. Never expected it but I loved it!
It is the unknown that defines out existence. We are constantly searching, not just for answers to our questions, but for new questions. We are explorers. We explore our lives day by day, and we explore the galaxy, trying to expand the boundaries of our knowledge. And that is why I am here. Not to conquer you with weapons, or with ideas. But to coexist, and learn. - Sisko
I first saw ST V on a 12 inch b&w tv. I got to appreciate it in the same was the Dan appreciates JM Dillard's novelization of it.
I, too, have a Star Trek addiction. Wheel of Time? House of the Dragon? Rings of Power? How about another re-watch of Deep Space Nine?
Dan made me a fan of Lower Decks! I love it! Thank you, Dan :))
If you are classifying Galaxy Quest as a Star Trek movie, you HAVE to consider The Orville as a Star Trek TV Series too, and I think it is one of the best ones at that!
Aaaah I remember when I first gave Trek a go, I had watched a few TOS episodes before, but when I really watched the entire show, I realized how great it is.
Also nothing to do with Trek, but since this is a Sando stream, I've been reading Warbreaker, I'm halfway trough. And the sense of humor in this book is amazing.
Oh, thank God… Dan mixed up „Beyond“ and „Into Darkness“. I was screaming at the screen and already writing an incensed comment in my head. The relief… Loved this episode. Please talk more about Star Trek. 🖖🏼
awwww, not even mentioned the orvile? a FANTASTIC star trek in all but name?
@15:38 The most "human" moment for Picard is definitely in the episode "Family". 😭🖖
THANK YOU FOR THE STAR TREK LOWER DECKS APPRECIATION. It's all I wanted
I don’t know Ben, bur from what I do know of him, I get the impression he’s going to be miffed you had him on for the Hot Ones episode, and then covered Star Trek after be left. 😆
I've heard that one of the reasons some people dislike First Contact is that it changed the Borg in many ways. As I understand it many saw the Borg as somewhat of a bionic research/development gone wrong and they were now an invasion of locusts. The fact that they gave them a leader figure didn't gel with that.
Loved watching y’all talk about Star Trek! Makes me want to re watch a bunch of movies! I love the Chris Pine as Kirk movies
"Discovery is the edgiest teen in Forever 21."
Amazing.
I loved TOS, TNG, DS9 and Babylon 5. Thank you for the nostalgia.
I need you guys to talk about Andor. That show is amazing
I could watch you guys discuss Trek for hours
Best DS9 episode is "By the Pale Moon Light"!
It'll be the Golden Age when there are five good series in production.
This got me so excited about Star Trek again! Thank you! I am almost motivated to subscribe to Paramount+ to watch some of it, lol.
NO WAY Infinity blade was AMAZING had no clue Brando sando worked on it! Still remember finding the secret Vile armor/blade… amazing times
I think Dan should give Prodigy a bit more of a chance, it's way better than I expected, and the characters have definitely grown on me. After the mid-season point, there's a pretty big shift in the direction of the show, and it's got way more serious Trek in it than I would have thought from it being a kids' show.
I'm sorry gentlemen, but, "In the Pale Moonlight," is the best single episode of Star Trek.
I love that you distinguish "best" from "favorite"
One thing I'll say for nemesis is that it's the only film I've seen that has had the main charachter actually accept the "evil" clone is them and had they lived their life they would have done the same. Usually that gets handed waved by some pointless comment that falls apart if you look at it for more than a second but I really appreciate they left that as it was.
I may be mis remembering this mind, ice haven't seen the film in decades.
I love Brandon, but hearing he legitimately loves Moby-Dick, makes me love him even more. I wrote my thesis on Moby-Dick. It’s my favorite book, above Fellowship.
DS9 is also my favorite Trek, but with Inner Light being my favorite overall episode.
I do want to note, for some reason, that my favorite crew is the TNG crew.
My wife and I watch TNG, DS9 and Voyager as our "going to sleep" shows. Just have them on rotation, it's awesome.
Also, shout-out to O'Brien, the best Star Trek character.
Lower Decks, Strange New Worlds were all FANTASTIC. I really enjoyed these series
Completely agree
Didn't watch Lower Decks, but I agree with Strange New Worlds.
@@costelinha1867 Highly recommend. First two episodes are a little rough, but it gets better as it goes on. Season 2 was better than 1, and 3 better than 2, though one of the episodes of season 2 is one of my top five favorite episodes of Trek.
@@godminnette2 Sounds good, and besides, Trek does have rough starts sometimes. (Looking at you TNG)
Give Discovery a try, it's amazing.
I could’ve sworn there was a whole episode about Picard pushing Riker to become a captain and Riker saying no.
I believe that was best of both worlds/s3 borg episode. If I remember correctly Ryker had to decide between his ship/family or a leadership position, then Picard gets captured.
I do like this split screen format!
I don't even know if even possible to me to write book
But I'm doing it anyway cause i love story
And is not matter is good or bad still i love story!
So i going to write!
My life is disaster and bad things always happen .
English is not my first language so can't really say it with all my feelings in words
But still i try...
thank you Brandon for your wonderful books and your kindness
i can feel how goodness with every video i watch you in it.
Maybe you read this maybe not
Doesn't matter because I said what i think about you into words and that's enough for my .
Again thank you.
I will now start watching Star Trek. I have a long way to go.
I loved B5. My one complaint was I thought the end of the Shadows/Vorlons arc was disappointing.
I can agree in a way
The Song of my people! I was a 90's kid. . .grew up watching Voyager and remembering bits and pieces of DS9 and eventually going through Next Gen. As my mother literally bought the DVD sets of all of them, I've seen them all. I've see. . .parts of Enterprise, thing I went through the Original Trek and most of the movies up through that point. Haven't seen any of the newer stuff, not sure I'm interested. Though I do intend to eventually go through the entire franchise start to finish, but I've other things I'm watching. Voyager is like home, but I still thing the TNG crew holds up the best.
My mother is a huge original series Trekkie and still has pins from Star Trek conventions.
Wondering if he meant "Beyond" when he was saying "Into Darkness," especially since they both said "Oh yeah, the third one of New Trek."
Edit: Nvm, they caught it
I know nothing about star trek, but I'm still here.
Please 1 more star trek episode of this podcast.
Something I've noticed is, the majority of fantasy fans and writers that I know/know of are also big sci-fi fans. I've always been a huge fantasy fan, and I don't care about sci-fi much, which makes me the odd one in my social circles. I've always found that kinda interesting. My parents are both huge sci-fi/fantasy nerds, so I've been exposed to plenty of both throughout my life, but apparently I only inherited the fantasy half of it. Sci-fi just never captured me the way that fantasy does. All of that said, I also enjoy listening to people talk about stuff the like, regardless of whether or not I'm into it myself.
A couple of thoughts:
- Funding 5 seasons up front does have obvious disadvantages (as discussed in the video) but it does also have advantages, provided you get a good show to start with, since it allows the creators to actually plan ahead rather than just winging it season to season. Of course, if the creators don't have a plan for all five years, and are just working season to season (or even episode to episode), the advantages go away and you're left hoping the downside doesn't bite you. At least on the creative side; on the financial side, getting actors locked into five year contracts probably saves money if the show does run that long.
- When it comes to Babylon 5, I've had several people enjoy it when I've watched it at them, but it took into Season 2 for them to really get on board, which is a pretty big commitment to find out that you like it. You could possibly skip S1, but then you'd be missing context on a lot of things - there are a lot of things set up in Season 1 that only pay off much later, as well as establishing the status quo before things start going sideways.
Agree with many previous comments:
If you're gonna mention Galaxy Quest, then you should also talk about The Orville
I love you guys!
TNG really got into a whole new world after season 4 and the writers really broke the trek mould. S6 and 7 were just divine.
The second new star trek (Into Darkness) is my favorite of the three :p
Probably cus it was basically my intro into Star Trek though
I'm so early, that CZcams isn't even loading the video properly.
Loved hearing you two talk Star Trek! I'm a bit sad that you didn't talk more about Lower Decks. Amazing series and one that finally capitalizes on the nostalgia of the TNG/DS9/Voyager period. With Prodigy, I'll say that I enjoy the overall story, but yes, almost every single character is obnoxious. My kids seem to like it and I want them to like it with the hope they might learn to love the other series. But I would argue that justifying away your reactions to Prodigy because it's designed for a younger audience isn't really fair to "middle grade" stories. I'd classify most Pixar movies as middle grade, but the characters and themes are very relatable to both kids in the target audience and beyond. Prodigy is actually giving the characters some interesting growth arcs, but it's almost as if the writers are choosing to make them unpalatable on purpose. Miguel in Coco was impulsive (Imma steal that guitar to win a tournament), but still likeable. Dal is also impulsive, but comes off as really obnoxious.
So sometimes I put on Brandon Sanderson when I want to fall asleep. Especially the long older videos signing lectures that thing. But when this auto played this last night. Couldn't sleep a wink.
When Enterprise was kind of prematurely ended I wrote a treatment. Post-Voyager: I came up with a simple idea and fleshed it out with the thing that's most important to me and that's diversity and cool space battles.
I came up with the setting that a Tellarite Admiral commissioned a Slipstream drive Emergency Response Ship as a bit of a passion project. More cobbled together like the international Space station than a traditional Starfleet vessel. I imagined a football shaped carrier built around a dry dock as a frame rather than in one. Disparate parts. Disparate systems with different crews working together to run these things that aren't designed to be together. But work better as a whole. The idea is that it can pop up anywhere with a fleet of support vessels inside. Evacuate colonies, repair starships, move massive amounts of cargo. The ultimate emergency response vehicle to service the planets of the Federation rather than seek out new life.
The Admiral is not a human, he's not an explorer. He's a bureaucrat. A politician who couldn't get Starfleet to approve his concept so he formed a coalition built on promises he may or may not be able to keep with friends he may not like or trust very much.
Romulans engineers to manage a donated singularity for power. One of the Klingon houses is charged with Security. Denobulins volunteered to run hospitality to take care of refugees and colonists. Bajor got a medical contract and sent a Kai. Vulcan survey science teams assigned by the academy man the sensors, computers, and stellar cartography. The Quartermaster and cargo are run by a Ferengi in exchange for supplying replicators and holodecks. The first officer is an Orion female with syndicate ties. Cardiassians and Andorians sent diplomats with their own security details. Very few humans is what I was going for and lots of internal strife for high ideas to prevail over.
But my main fantasy is for a big Starfleet vessel to pop out a slipstream open its front bay and shoot out a pair of Defiants, a Bird of Prey, and a Hideki Patrol ship while full wings of Delta flyers launch from the rear all under the command of an Andorian Captain who opens calms and says "Hi, we're from the Federation and we're here to help"
DS9 is my favourite as well.
My understanding is that the reason for the alternate reality with the new movies is due to licensing issues. Video games such as Star Trek Online follow the original timeline and have done some interesting things with it.
I'm in the minority because I really like Discovery...I needed to let go of my timeline of Trek to like it but understanding it's following its own storyline is helpful. Lots of excellent characters and it's definitely modern in the way it tells the story.
I'm also someone who loved Star Wars but am very meh about the Disney shows...
Honestly I view new trek 1 as a perfect movie-Not a perfect Star Trek movie. But as for arcs, characterization, casting, dialogue, cinema… fantastic. JJ at his best. If compared to what a trek movie should be it’s different but good.
I grew up on farm and we made our own maple syrup. As kids we would use an oar to stir a barrel for hours. It’s not a heist but all the cousins had to take turns and I know my grandfather turned a profit on our child labour.
Moby Dick is one of my favorite classics also.
Great episode
Now do Andor please! ❤️
Adoooonalsium
Re: Food Height and Corn vs Beat syrup.
I am not sure but I highly doubt that Corn syrup was a major thing back then. We have it in all our products today mostly because: 1) we subsidize the production of it quite a bit and 2) we tax imports of Cane and Beat sugar from abroad where it grows far better. So I suspect Beat was chosen over Corn because of price, not
My favorite Star Trek movies by era:
Undiscovered County
First Contact
Beyond (maybe?)
Best episode of trek is Duet... no question for me. So many layers.
I LOOOOVE Strange New Worlds.
Please watch Andor. It’s amazing and you guys would love it
I don't know if Brandon and Dan read the comments, but I'm curious what they thought about Bryan Fuller's (the original show runner of Discovery before he left/was fired before filming) original vision for the reboot of Star Trek television. I don't hear it talked about a lot, but my understanding is that he wanted a Star Trek anthology show where each season had a new setting, characters, and story. I wrote a reddit post about such a thing years before Discovery was even announced and continue to be disappointed that it was never done because I personally believe it would have been a fantastic way to explore more niche areas of Trek that perhaps wouldn't warrant multiple season, but also as a way to back-door pilot longer series and gauge audience reactions. I also think that changing his initial single season of Discovery into a multi season show is a big reason why the first season fell on its face so hard; they had to re-write and redirect his story so that the natural ending didn't happen (I'm convinced that's why S1 ended in such a ham-fisted way).
The other reason that I would have liked an anthology series is that it could have both allowed the show to explore new ideas and characters, but also revisit existing ones without greenlighting a full series. Like, I know there will almost certainly never be a revival of DS9, but with a show like this, they could have had a season where they followed up on it.
One of my great-grandfathers spent two years in prison for stealing live chickens. Apparently, he refused to flip on his co-conspirators in exchange for a leniency, because his co-conspirators had threatened his life. Apparently these were really violent chicken thieves.
Great Show...this is what Writing excuses was before that mean lady and the guy that tried to tie everything back to his comics joined the team. Keep up the great work!
My favorite crew is Voyager and my favorite captain is Janeway. Picard is the best captain though and I think the best show is probably Next Generation. My favorite movie is a tossup between Voyage Home and Undiscovered Country.
My favorite part of Star Trek however is the Post-Nemesis novels, which are fantastic and really honed my love of Trek.
I agree with you up to "best show" which is definitely Deep Space Nine for me. Voyager feels like home even though I didn't watch it when I was younger like I did with TNG.
I grew up on Voyager, was my favorite for a long time until I watched TNG all the way through. I love Voyager's premise, but TNG's crew just feels more close knit and lands better. Janeway. . .does some pretty questionable things, she has her reasons, but sometimes its just like 'why would you do that?' Granted, every captain has that. Picard will always be the best, I don't think they can top that.
Riker turned down promotions to captain like 3 times, so it wasn't Picard holding him back.
To the question 'Are all sugars vegetable derived?'...Lactose is a sugar derived from milk...
Darmok makes me pull my hair out as a linguistics enjoyer, but it is a great episode.
As a kid I used to think Star Trek was stupid. Until about a year ago when I stumbled across an episode of TNG, binged most of the seasons (S1 was a little rough). Now I’m completely in love
My favorite captain will always be Kirk, although Picard is a close second. And he's amazing. (I never watched DS9 tho.) Although that's only my favorite Trek captains. My favorite captain will always be the one that travels trough space and time in a british police box.
My favorite Star Trek movies was Star Trek V and Generations.
Favorite series is Deep Space 9.
Brandon’s comments about DS9 makes me wonder if ever watched Babylon 5? I watched during the pandemic - incredible longform storytelling
Ah, answered!
Apologies, I may (or may not) get hate for this, but it has to be SCREAMED at the top of my lungs! "I was starved for continuity in the mid '90s." BABYLON 5!!!!!!!
Good explanation of why you couldn't do B5. You're forgiven. And if I were asked for a top favorite episode, for me it would also be Darmok. Though somehow one line from that show has gotten permanently warped in my mind. I have no idea how or where, but not forevermore it is "Shaka, when the walls ate spinach!"
@danwells I went and sought out your blog on Babylon 5. First off it was hilarious and informative. I liked your view point on the show and you gave good reasons for your criticisms. I blasted through all the reviews and then they abruptly stopped. Did you finish it on another site? I tried searching Google and nothing came up. I half expected an I'm done rant on 4.16 but it looked the last few episodes were vibbing for you...enquiring minds want to know!
To me, DS9 has actual continuity due like half a season. I loved that half a season.
Talking about continuity, B5 is one of my all time favourites.
Also loved specific episodes and characters. But the series in general, not so much.
I fall squarely into the Star Wars camp in the Wars/Trek divide, but I still like Trek.
First Contact is my favorite because Picard is pushed beyond his limit. I like seeing him at his worst, it reminds me he is human and I like seeing him overcome.
My kids like Prodigy. It's okay. Feels like Star Wars, but Clone Wars it is not.
Into Darkness was lousy.
Strange New Worlds is amazing.
My favorite series is Enterprise, if only because it was the first one I watched as it was on. It isn't the best, but I don't care.
The fact that Mr. Sanderson is an MST3K and Rifftrax fan sets my MSTie heart aflutter! The Gizmoplex is possibly my favorite thing ever!
How about a Stargate episode? A criminally overlooked series that actually serves as an excellent showcase of a Sci-Fi version of Sanderson's Laws.
All sugars aren't derived from vegetables, unless we're considering fruits as vegetables, or the topic of discussion, maple syrup, which comes from the maple tree. 😂
“New trek” Kirk seemed to forget who Kirk was. He didn’t go after anything with a skirt, his few romantic encounters didn’t work out, or he needed something and at times was not him and he regretted how they end.
When they both said their worst 2 movies, I couldn't believe neither mentioned Nemesis. But then around 39 minutes, they remembered it, and I felt validated. Worse than V in my book.
Does Dan get to bill for this podcast? Is it part of Dan's working hours.
He might be on profit-share rather than salaried.
They joked in one of the recent live episodes that Dan now gets paid for doing the podcast instead of doing it for free, but it's hard to tell how much truth there was behind it.
@@anewbimproves5622 Dan is a VP in Dragonsteel. It basically means that he's going to assist Brandon with Cosmere. And they may collab on some other books. (A food heist detective horror novel?)
@@Machtyn oh, I know that much. I just don't know if "paid to do the ppdcast" had any truth to it. Not that it really matters. They're both intelligent adults capable of ensuring they have a mutually beneficial partnership.
Talking Star Trek and RiffTrax/MST3K? Best episode ever! Lol
Can we request an episode just about MST3K and Rifftrax? I never get sick of talking about movie riffing!
PS Brandon is correct, Star Trek Beyond is the 3rd one. Into darkness is the 2nd, ironically the one you appear to have not liked :-)
I honestly thought this was a RedLetterMedia video before the thumbnail loaded lol
Riker suffered of his own accord. He could have taken a command at any point and chose not to. Until the Titan.
I agree with nearly everything here. (and i adore Babylon 5!) I have had two thoughts about some of the classic movies that you might find interesting.
The last time I watched Star Trek V was after a full viewing of the Original Series and it surprised me in that out of the original six films, it actually felt the most like an oversized original episode. TOS never quite took itself as seriously as the other films and series that came after it, and Trek V felt more connected to TOS as a result.
I think Star Trek Nemesis, for all it's faults, would have gone over a thousand times better if they'd simply had Patrick Stewart play Shinzon as well as Picard. Letting Stewart cut loose in a villainous version of Picard would have been a delight.