75 Horsepower ELECTRIC Tractors from CASE & NEW HOLLAND! Farm Progress Show 2023
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- Both Case IH and New Holland announced 75 horsepower electric tractors at the Farm Progress Show this year (2023). Tractor Time with Tim gives the specs and even got to see the New Holland loader in action!
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00:00 Introduction
00:32 Case IH Electric 75 HP Tractor
04:59 Case IH Sub Compact Tractors
05:54 New Holland Electric Tractor - Jak na to + styl
I think Bobcat actually has the correct idea on electrification here... The reason for the low run times is that the conventional thought on electrification is to replace the gas motor with electric and keep the rest of the machine the same. Bobcat decided to replace a lot of the hydraulics with Electric Linear Actuators. This means you only use power when you are moving the tools instead of having a constant draw to keep a hydraulic pump running.
I Have been saying to do that for a while if RG Letourneau could do it back in the 1950s -60s? we can definitely do it now,
They could take a lot from the electric forklift play book on these. The hydraulic motor doesn't turn unless steering or hydraulics are commanded and typically runs for a short period after steering. For steering it runs at a lower speed and has an accumulator to boost steering when first commanded, for hydraulics it goes much faster. They could use the same drive system as the diesel tractor to maybe keep the motor from drawing so much on take off. Drive motors are by far the largest draw in the system on AC drive systems.
@@TwoAMBlacktop Right. Linear actuators are obviously the most efficient choice but then you have to swap out every hydraulic implement with a new one.
A MUCH simpler and easier design change is to just switch from open center hydraulics (Which both the Solectrac and the Case model shown here use) with closed center hydraulics (Which is the system you're describing from the electric forklifts). Closed center works just like you describe above: The pump runs until it has built pressure and shuts off. When a valve opens, causing pressure to drop, the pump kicks back on and runs just fast enough to maintain the preset pressure and shuts off once the flow stops again.
Tons of diesel tractors have closed center hydraulics so I'm not sure why they are choosing to use the less energy efficient design on the electric tractors, other than cost savings I suppose.
That’s a cool idea I think. But I don’t think it would work all that well for people in very cold climates like mine. The constant flow keeps all the fluid at operating temps.
My New Holland dealer is closed on Sundays so I put in an email inquiry. I’m betting this is gonna be expensive. I still have my GMC 3500 6.6L Diesel but my daily driver is electric and I will never go back. To plug in and charge up at home is so easy. Similarly I’m tired of filling 5 gallon diesel cans for our tractor. From day 1 wanted electric but a machine like this didn’t exist. I’m so excited by this news! Thanks for bring this to us.
Awesome video. I’ve been digging for info on these new electric tractors, you did a great job covering the information provided and showing the tractor. Nice work!
Interesting to see where the technology is headed and how it continues to evolve. Thanks for being the “reporter.” Blessings.
All those cameras, computers, bells and whistles, what could go wrong?
The smartphone in our pocket - what could go wrong with that? -
@@badchefi I don't know. Drop it on your tile floor and let's see what happens. Or maybe leave it in your hot car for a few hours. There's beauty in simplicity in farm equipment.
@@RealJeep done all of that and it still goes just fine😂
you mean old farm equipment - electronics on farms is nothing new - unless you farm somewhere in the middle of Kenia or Burkina Faso.
@@badchefi Tell that to Deere when they deny us the Right to Repair.
@@RealJeep tell them what? You seem to drift off now?
Online specs say it has a 110kWh battery pack and they advertise a 10-80% recharge time of 1 hour with the DC fast charge. Assuming you're only using that middle 70% of the battery pack between charges, you need to average just under 20kW of total power output to achieve that advertised 4 hour run time assuming no other losses. So keep your power utilization inline with a standard subcompact tractor and you'll be ok.
I really can't see the value proposition for something like this. It's bound to cost a lot more than the diesel equivalent and it's going to have lower productivity. About all it has going for it in my opinion is that it's "neat".
As of early 2024, I can tell you that our Case IH rep who is handling these for large accounts has stated that production is limited, targeted to certain regions (ie California), and mostly for specific industries. This isn't currently intended to replace it's conventional diesel counterpart. We were told retail price is around $150,000.
Thanks for the update.
well... im not toward electric normally... but these Case and New Holland 75hp tractor are a big step in the right direction if they want diesel people to switch... i understand 3 phases arent everywhere but that is still a huge improvement.. thanks for showing us !
Neat tractor. They will catch on with people over time. Great review. Thanks.
No they won’t, they will be forced onto people though
Interesting but with a 4 hour run time it’s only for a select customer.
True, but that is how ev cars started. Short range, now some EVs offer over 300 miles of range. Next will be different batteries altogether that will shoot range / run time way up! Read up on upcoming battery technology.....very exciting!! Makes me wish I were 20 yrs old so I cud be around to reap on the better technology coming soon.
I think it’ll be an excellent feeding tractor. I’d love this, it’s plugged in during the winter so it’s always warm and ready to go, go out plow the driveway, make sure cattle have a path to the water trough, drop some bales of hay, maybe go fix some fence the storm messed up. It would be absolutely perfect for that. Could rake a small hay field in the summer time.
This is one of the rare occasions where battery weight is a good thing assuming it's positioned correctly on the tractor, such as a low center of gravity to help prevent tipping. front end bouncing because it's too light, etc...
Tim,
I know you have been busy, but I enjoyed the Friday video and I enjoy it when I see three videos in a week. I know that takes lots of time to do that and I thank you for it! I always enjoy the different types of videos you put out. As far as electric tractors, it's interesting to see them and learn more about them. Right now a electric tractor will suit me just fine for the small project I can do on my small properties. So I think there is a small market that will appeal to people like myself.
Thanks for the kind words!
Same like you, I love this machine since i have a small project hope it can fit me. I'm curious to know the price. Thank you
Very interesting! Thanks for sharing Tim.
If you could get a 30 year warranty on the battery and 2.5x the capacity I think you would have something.
You are not addressing the real problem. That's the CHILD LABOR used to mine the elements needed to create those batteries, and the cost of recycling and replacing it!
Tim thank you for this video. I think it will be interesting when CNH brings this tech to their big Quad Tracs and their large harvesters. If they're able to design a way to make the batteries swappable (much like electric forklifts swap batteries). But seeing this 75 hp electric model they are offering is wonderful!
It’s amazing seeing technology moving faster. Seemed like there was electric cars almost coming out for 50 years.
I enjoy keeping up with new technology. We run New Holland at Railhead Ranch and have a Workmaster 75. I love it. Absolutely intrigued by the electric T4. I am curious to see how quickly the duty cycle is improved and time to charge is reduced. Also, when battery life stats are available and the cost to replace batteries is released, we will have a good idea of feasibility. Initially, I think these new toys will be cost prohibitive for everyday Joes, but there are still some great advantages. Worth it to be an early adopter???? We’ll depend on pros like you to keep us informed. Thank you for the detailed and informative videos.
Really good point!!
Very interesting with both offerings here. One of the big selling points I see with electric machinery is when someone is around a noise sensitive area like a nursing home. I'd have to think comparing with Solectrac's new eUT+ might be how both of them get graded.
New Holland Ford is right in my back door so I will keep an eye out when and watch when they are playing with them,
Let us all know when the 400 hp electric Massey 4WD shows up! It has Big semi batterys that Volvo uses.
I was around electric fork lifts in the mid 70’s. The batteries were large and dangerous as you changed them. We also called them silent death. In a noisy a factory, they would slip up on you, the operator would slam the forks on the floor behind you. They were also down quite a bit. There is still a long way to go for these tractors to make them practical as you have shown with your loaner. But they are coming…….. Thanks for showing us this one.
Where I work all of our fork lifts and picker lifts are electric. The batteries are also as you describe, needing the operator to top off the water every few days so they work properly. But the building isn't a factory so all of the lifts are easy to hear.
I haven't even heard of Monarch tractors until this video. I'll be checking that out next.
Very cool. Not for everyone yet, neither were tractors a long time ago better than horses I suppose. But the economics on them will continue to improve, and possibly quicker than we think.
Very interesting. Pretty colors lol.
La, de, da!! Tim - I think you've seen past the green and have discovered how great blue really is :-)
Great video
Thanks for showing this Tim. I can see where electric tractors like this may be very well suited for urban DOT use since they are quiet. I do find it hard that the large acre farmer who needs to work 8-12 hrs ( or more) a day will find these useful. However time will tell and I will be interested to see how they sell. Think I'll stick with my dirty old diesel stuff for now.
What about rear and front hydraulic ports. Front hydraulic driven tools, augers, grapples,++. Quick change bucket? Hydraulic or manual? Rear hydraulic tillers, grader cylinders, tilt, angle, top link. How many remotes?
Yep that's a lot to cover. What looks like candy red on the Case is nice.
I was a CZcams channel featuring a young family who live on an off-grid farm. They have a large tractor that they just use occasionally, not for intensive field work. I couldn't help thinking that one of these electric tractors would be ideal for them, as battery life would not be an issue and they are already generating their own electricity with solar panels. An electric tractor would work for me on my small farm as well, but would be too expensive to justify the purchase. I think that will be the problem with adoption. If you are using a tractor enough to pay the cost of an electric tractor, you would need to work it for far more hours than the battery would support.
“Follow me mode. Just like your little dog.” It is all fun and games until that ”little dog” gets mad at you and starts to chase you! 🐶🐶😁😁
Thanks, Tim. This was a very interesting video. Im not anti electric vehicles, but an electric tractor that runs down in 4 hours (without 3 phase) and takes 5 hours to charge doesn't seem very appealing. I do believe that the technology will someday become appealing. Thanks for sharing!
Wow, that thing operates amazingly! So fast and quiet! I'm holding out as long as I can for an electric tractor (would prefer something the size of the Solectrac - but as you've shown, it simply isn't as good as the 1025R). If it were me doing the engineering, I would run an electric motor and locking diff for the rear wheels, another for the front wheels, and another for the hydraulic pump. The PTO would either be another motor, or potentially combined with a clutch on the hydraulic pump motor. Using one big electric motor and using clutches and transmissions is old thinking. I'm also curious about that DC fast charging - is it using CCS? So you could take it to a normal vehicle charging station to fast charge?
I’m sure there are plenty of uses for these outside of row farming, and I say that as a partial owner of a good sized farm with an JD 8R among other equipment.
For instance, it would be a great tractor at stock shows/rodeos to haul hay, clean out pens, etc. Or a farm that primarily makes money from tourism (Pumpkins, Corn Maze, etc).
I disagree that it is useful at a working farm even if it is tourist focused. 75 hp is beyond what most hobby farming would use. 4 hr run time (factory specs) would mot be achieved in my opinion. Then add in down time for charging, in my opinion makes it a huge toy, not a working piece of equipment.
Scratch the 1 hour charge. Needing 3 phase for the 1 hour charger will rule out many farming locations. So 4 hrs of working time (probably less) for 5 hrs charging time.
It is too large for cleaning hog shed, chicken houses and most horse barns. Remember you typically have stalls at 90 degrees from entrance to barn, for turning clearance lots of wasted space. Skid steers will still rule.
The Case IH Farmall 75C tractor, including the electric version, is manufactured in Jesi, Italy.
So you can order it now and they'll tell you what you paid after they deliver it.
This is the future, it'll be interesting to see the real world working time, a 1 hr DC fast charge will be fine during breaks. most sheds will have a solar system on the roof, i see a lot of solar installations on farms in Australia and 415v three phase is the way. having said all that, diesel tractors will be around for a long time
charing in one hour...WOW :O The follow me feature sounds very interesting.:D The new 6R´s have a camera on the loader....Tim its time for a 6 series!🤣🤣
LETS GET STARTED
I think it would be a very useful tractor for some. To me I think it would be a cool addition here if I was looking to spend that much on a tractor. I would like to upgrade to a tractor of the 70-80HP, and where I only use them at any one time for 3 hours tops it would be a perfect addition.
Just not sure about the safety aspects, such as fire. I am thinking they still have not overcome some of the downfalls of electric vehicles, such as overheating, and run times. But I am sure with time these things may be overcome, as they were with cordless tools.
As for farm use, I am thinking they may be useful as the yard tractor, with the loader, but may not be a very good field tractor as yet, with the run times at 5 hours, but who knows, maybe the hobby farmers may love these.
Good point about the safety aspects. Unlike the electric car market, tractors are put to a totally different test. I think we'll have to wait and see what happens with these in production for a few years.
I’d be surprised if there are safety issues. The battery management systems are so sophisticated now. Also they are liquid cooled compared to the early hybrid car batteries. The media blows up every EV fire even though they are significantly less likely to catch fire compared to gas vehicles. To be fair, this isn’t in the market yet so we don’t 100% know yet.
All the sudden, the market for 3 phase surplus military generators just exploded...
You can affordably get 3 phase with parallel inverters now. Victron is probably near the best, but there is a solar generator called the Apollo 5k that can even sync 3 units for 3 phase
@@rcguymike yeah, but those gennies are mobile and could go from field to field, or be mounted on a truck....
@@clayseale same could be said for the Apollo units or even a self built inverter setup in the back of a truck or in a small trailer
First. New technology is always interesting. I know batteries lose charging speed capacity and total capacit over time. Has industry talked about this? Also replacement battery costs? There are many areas where electrification is done internally to conventially powered gas/diesel you wouldn't see unless you ask about those changes.
Li-Ion batteries loose some capacity quickly but the degradation flattens out and they do work a very long time. Most electric cars aren't even close to the charge cycles. The same style of battery cells (18650) you can find in some American built electric cars is what I have in my robotic lawn mower (Husqvarna 430X 2017), on it's 7th season and since it can do about 6 charges per day, unlike how you typically use a car. It's the original battery pack in it with 3,100 charges cycles and it still runs like 80-90% of the original time (which was a lot more than the spec told). With a car that would be around a million miles for a long range BEV worth of charge cycles.
Similarly these tractors I guess aren't the main tractors doing field work around the clock, so it's use is more similar to a personal car than a semi truck or so where such long mileage actually happens.
So asking for how much battery replacement is will be like asking how much the replacement of the entire diesel engine is in a tractor - no one asks that about a new machine they buy.
Then, all machines aren't created equally some battery packs in different vehicles or tools might perform bad and have a failure. But the capacity of the cells is really good even for frequent charging of batteries. People often compare to their phone which lives the worst way for a battery, one shouldn't extrapolate from those.
I think this machine is a big step forward. Just replacing the petrol engine with and electric motor makes a good fist step and makes it work correctly with other equipment. Another person commented on increasing battery life with electric linear actuators and that might be a good step forward. While I like my Diesel, a good electric might serve my needs if I were to run a generator on Wood Gas to charge the tractor. In this manner I would not have to worry about diesel prices or availability and the system would be substantially independent. It is an interesting idea for me and my goals. (What I believe in is "DRILL BABY DRILL" but we are not doing that right now) Given that I just like equipment, if I had the money, I would have steam tractors, old tractors, new tractors, 1950s 4hp riding mower, robot mowers, Toro 5910 and 580 D, 22ft pto towed grooming mower, small excavator, two wheel tractors and equipment..... 😀🙃🙂 to the critics: this is not a list of what is sensible!! I like all these machines and more just because....
If I were a farmer, I would expect at least 12 ours of tough use and 12 hours for a full charge at least. Getting stuck in a muddy field with no way to get back to the barn sounds like a disaster in the making. At least diesel can be brough to a tractor in the field and it can be fired up with little time lost.
Say Russ , Add a extra battery like some other brands of electric tractors, like big enough to stay in the field for 15 hours
I assume the loader and other hydraulics are the same as the diesel tractors. So feeling the pressure to move the joystick is the same as any other cable operated control valve.
We show / discuss on the blue one…
Are they using metallic paint on these different brand electric tractors for a reason or just because?
Really enjoy your channel! I believe you informed everyone what happened with the small blue electric tractor you had? Thanks, c.g.
I’m not allowed to say anything about it at present. …or at least that is my interpretation. It is sitting on my property
@TractorTimewithTim Interesting situation. Thank you for info.
How much will it cost to buy one and how much for the charging station?
$110.000.00 less a 50% REAP USDA grant
I think the run time needs to greatly improve on the larger tractors. Dragging a generator around when your miles away from a electrical hook up just isn’t going to always work for a farmer. Four hours on a riding mower to mow your lawn is a lot more acceptable.
Most farmer around here would not be able to use that tractor when it takes an hour to get to the field and then run 2 hours just to drive home again not very economical for most uses in this area
It doesn't look like that's a tractor made for the farmers around you. It's made for lighter duty work and others where it actually do make sense.
Could be a handy machine cutting grass at say a large playing field where there is multiple football (soccer) pitch’s with a set of triple gang mowers
It is a cool concept. Especially for running inside the barn and around livestock. So I contacted CNH and asked a few questions. They did not have an answer for any as usual. Just "ask your dealer"
I explained in order for people to get onboard with this electric agenda, I need to see real data on my ROI (return on investment)
I asked how much the battery replacement will cost in the event it needs to be replaced, seeing as how there is only a 3 year battery warranty.
And how long is the expected life of the battery?
With my diesel's I know exactly how much it costs to fill the fuel tank, how many gallons per hour it burns, and the cost of all replacement parts.
But these electric tractors and vehicles, they like to hide those facts from you.
So think I'll pass on this one.
Interesting! A lot of positives except the 4 hr run time.
airconditioning?
A 120kw charger will need 250amps at 480v 3-phase. This is the biggest issue I see with anything EV/ET right now is the infrastructure required to support these machines. A charger to support "fast" DC charging is going to cost allot of money, and that's if you have 3-phase service and then you will have to deal with the cost of electricity at that power level. Until the energy density of the batteries reach that of diesel fuel, it's a very costly venture.
Correct on all points.
CNBC just this morning is reporting that the UN Climate Panel says we are not moving fast enough to meet Paris Accord goals.
Translation:
Cost will not matter to those who claim we are at human extinction levels.
@@TractorTimewithTim Thanks Tim, love your channel.
Is a backhoe available for the 75 HP electric Case IH tractor?
It is good idea for cooling the battery, but i can't help wonder that it affects the battery life and the lessens the length of the charge. There are trade offs to everything which seems to be lost on many.
That case is pretty large for a 75hp tractor Tim.
I really would like one sized like the solectrac, but I want it to have a cab with heat and ac, and I want to be able to order it less pto
Also, the solectrac would run me like $75,000 and I can buy Kubota bx or John deere 1 series for 1/3 of the price.
I would rather hustle used vegetable oil than run electric for that price point, I’m more excited for the landini rex4 Electra, that one’s gonna be a hybrid.
Got a landini dealership maybe 20 miles away from my house
For reference Tim, that landini hybrid tractor I was just talking about, it’s about the same physical size as that case, but it’s got 120hp.
i wonder about vibrations. being electric and no running engine, how much are the vibrations reduced?
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GREAT Video... Nice to know!!! 😮😅😊 🍔🍔, I think it will be quiet a while before everything will be electric!!!😢
Like all the bells and whistles. I think a hybrid would be a better choice. The wheels powered by electric and the hydraulics by electric over hydraulic.
So is there a LS version too.?
No, this is not made by LS. Case/New Holland makes their own larger tractors.
I can not see a production farmer or really anyone who needs a 75 hp tractor using one with only a 4 hr battery and then a 5 hr charge.
Farmers would have to buy three the in order to put in a full days of work.
If you’re gonna need a generator to charge this thing up, what’s the point?
Now all they need to do is add a big diesel engine and generator to charge the battery! 😂
Hey Tim, do you have your Tesla CyberTruck on order yet? I do think that they have a ways to go on electric tractors but they need to start someplace. This looks like a good start to me. Thanks for sharing.
No, I don’t see how the electric vehicles can fit into our usage patterns.
I’m definitely not a ‘fan’ of the electric technology. I just want to show the tractors from a ‘reporting’ standpoint.
The 25hp subcompact from New Holland (and Case now) is not just a rebranded LS like you keep saying. It is manufactured by LS and so they are very similar. However, the tractors are manufactured to CNH specifications so there are differences which actually make them better machines than the LS. IMO.
Name one difference.
@@TractorTimewithTim just to be clear, they are very similar, as are other manufacturers. I mean, even JD uses the same Yanmar engine. But just look at the operators station on the two, they look different and the loader control is in a different spot. I believe the loaders are different too although that could just be on the higher hp tractors. My point is that just because one company manufactures for another, which happens with all the OEMs, it isn't always just a difference in decals and paint color.
Tim I appreciate your discussion on those machines sir.but I wish yo7 would talk some of the disadvantages like the real time cost of those 4 and 5 hour charging times then the real time how long the thing will run on full charge running at hard real work then cost when warranty runs out cost of battery and maintenance cost over long term on a farm like your brother's
Yes, I get it.
I see no need to beat on those issues. I’m trying to state the features of this particular tractor.
You can decide if it is appropriate for your situation.
We report, you decide.
@TractorTimewithTim I understand that you are just report8ng but you are making these. Battery powered machines sound like the greatest thing t9 c9me along but no one is talking long term cost and this is the problem it feels like every one is hiding these cost
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are you gonna try get one on a demo Tim see if it’s any better?
So the big question is how much. I like the fact they are keep the functionality similar to traditional tractors, but I have to think this is quite a bit more expensive than a diesel version.
offcourse..the battery is always way more expensive than a simple diesel engine
I believe they partnered or licensed monarch’s technology to get here, y’all should check out monarch tractors if y’all haven’t yet! They’re out of California and trying to be 100% USA made.
Oops, I commented this when tim was talking about the Case, now I see he mentioned monarch when he got to the new holland!
So when the battery health (capacity) drops to 80% after a couple years, is it easy to replace or do you just throw the tractor away like a cell phone?
You are misinformed (by fake news no doubt). A study based on real-life data submitted by Tesla EV owners between 2013 and 2022 showed that the average battery retains over 90% of its original driving range up to 100,000 miles covered. The range began to drop faster over 125,000 miles but remained above 80%. The cars lost an average of 1% of their range each year for the first seven years. There was a larger decline starting in the eighth year, as the cars racked up higher mileage. Cars with over 200,000 miles covered still had a driving range of around 81-87%, equivalent to over 200 miles.
Don't know two many farmers that have the time to deal with all the down time for charging 😒.
With dc fast chargers you can charge from 0-80% in 15 minutes, problem is THAT charger costs like $50,000 or more in some cases
So if you can’t afford downtime but maybe you like the idea of the electric tractor, you’re probably gonna need one of these commercial style dc dc fast chargers that does 400-1000v charging, 250kw or higher. (I hear there’s already a 400kw one on the market)
I would imagine these batteries are probably around 800v.
Landini is making the Rex 4 Electra, a plug in hybrid, that might be more your style. It has more horsepower anyway, 120hp.
@@not_me3286 I understand that argument for full EV tractors, but with how much most tractors cost I don’t mind spending the $17,000 to install the charger even if I only charge it when I’m nearby it. Would save money on diesel and I’m all about that.
I don’t mind the extra weight of the battery either, since usually I’m on a smaller tractor than most people.
There’s diesel hybrids coming out soon, those are what I like, not full EV.
Full EV tractors are for a major corporation that can foot the bill to install chargers all over the property. You don’t need to plug in your hybrid tractor all the time, it just helps your efficiency/range when you do. So if you did happen to plug in that day, maybe you’re doing TMR around the dairy barn so you’re right next to the charger, you’d save some on diesel.
If you know you gotta Tedder the hay tomorrow, plug in your tractor overnight and you save some on diesel.
Full ev tractor would kind of suck if you didn’t have a charger in every single field though, I’m with you on that.
@@not_me3286 like I said I end up on a smaller tractor, don’t usually need more than 100hp to do all the same tasks but with a smaller machine. (Smaller bales, less per hr, etc)
Some of our big grain growers do work 24 hours a day during harvest time, but that is mainly the big headers rather than tractors. They will electrify in time too.
Charging regimes are all a matter of equipment and the timing of it. In particular getting great chargers (both DC fast-chargers and AC 50-150 kWh chargers). Much of the base charging will be overnight when mostly tractors sit idle. I reckon the time and money savings on maintenance and servicing of diesel engines will help farmers overcome this eventually.
@@petesig93 carraro srx hybrid and Landini rex 4 Electra (both plug in diesel hybrids) have brought 30 minute charging to orchards and vineyards, and small farms.
The 100hp market has 30 minute charge time hybrids, full ev tractors at 1.5 hours.
The charger costs $17,000, but hey, I’m just happy the hybrid tech is coming out.
As a small farm guy, I’m gonna be able to buy hybrid tractors just next year.
Will these tractors be made in India? 4 hours is not a long run time. I’m old school, diesel for me, but the video was great, it would be nice to see it in heavy action. Thanks
Finally a tractor which might have enough weight to use 75 hp.
Aside from name and aesthetics, what are the differences between the two? Why buy one over the other, or are they exactly the same?
People who are negative towards electric. I get it. I’m also skeptical of electric vehicles/equipment. It’s not because they’re not capable, I just don’t think the technology is to the point where it they can fully compete with ICE powered machines.
However, there is a use for these and they do fit peoples needs. This tractor isn’t designed to go out in the fields and pull a plow for 3 days straight. This is meant to be your farms little utility tractor. Moving feed, stacking some bales, plowing snow, etc.
New Holland/ CASE IH opts for a cheap option to see if it is something... Knegt mini tractors even has a conversion kit, where you can replace an existing diesel engine for an electric one...
And just like our computers and phones when it starts malfunctioning you just shut it down and restart it! Not sure many farmers are willing to work only 4 hours at a time. Guess you better make sure you stay in fields that are close to an outlet or just put charging stations in fields I guess.
good to have playbunnies. in 10-25 years a electric vehicle will be mint
Has anyone figured out how much charging these machines will increase your electric bill?
If I charged it on my electric it would cost around $10 empty to full. 110kWh x .$0.0969 per kWh.
Or..... TAX the Electric Grid!!!
Build a or buy a solar system and it will be free in a few years and the answer will be NON!
I think there will be a market for these electric’s coming out but it’ll be a small niche market. Anyone that has 10/15+ acre’s that they maintain, these electrics are not going be an answer. With the cost of fuel I’m sure some farmers would love to break free of the fuel tank , these machines just aren’t there yet. I won’t even bother as I need to cut 55+|- acres. If I’m being honest I’d still prefer the diesel (I’m old like you Tim lol, just kidding my friend) and that may be my old school mentality coming out, but its never taken 5 hours to fill a tank when rain is coming and I need to be finished. That small LS/Case is interesting, maybe they finally see profitability with the amount of market Deere commands, and I can definitely see first time buyers getting in the market and buying one, it’ll be interesting to see how it plays out. Maybe Deere lowers prices and add more standard features? Maybe a cab with A/C is in the works for the 1025R? Probably not with only 25HP but I’m thinking all of us consumers will benefit greatly as those 2 giants battle it out in the showroom. Anyway, great video Tim! Always happy when I get the notification you’ve posted another video, thank you!
You charge them at nite while you sleep just as we do with our electric cars nowadays.
It is not an LS machine.
@@TractorTimewithTim the little Case isn’t an LS? My bad, I thought I heard it was being made by them. Either way it still brings competition to the market which is for us as consumers, usually with better pricing and features. And honestly, I probably have (to read “I’m sorry, but I do” lol) a bias towards electrification. Set in my ways? Maybe more out of ignorance regarding electrification. I’m that old guy in 1910 scoffing at gas powered cars, saying they’ll never catch on lol. I could be missing the whole point, who knows where it’ll go.
@@Harikarikillboy ok, my mistake. I thought you were talking about the electric Farmall. Yes, the small Case and New Holland are made by LS.
How much?
That tractor looks like a Zetor.
I like the idea of electric but man.. it takes me a good 10hrs or more to mow the property, its a few acres of residential, this is a fortnightly event when the rains are here. Its tough work too, there is no way im gonna run for 3 hours then do nothing for the rest of the day, id never keep on top of it.
How many did you order!.😊
Would love to try one for a little while.
I dont understand this market.
At 100k plus for a big tractor. Tractor work most times is needed done yesterday. 15to 20 hours in a field is normal and it in harvest you may got well past 24 hours straight. Thsts why we have fuel tanks in the back of the fsrm truck to deliver it right to the feild.
I can see it in a smaller version for inside use cleaning barns and such
These will be in the landfill in 20 years
thanks for the video ...price no price :(
I am not opposed to an electric tractor. Tractors are tools and most of my power tools are now battery powered. The Selectrac tractor has some real shortcomings in the execution of being a tractor. It looks like Case and New Holland are making a good tractor that just happens to be battery powered. Would I buy an electric tractor? It all comes down to use case. Realistically a 4 hour operating window would work for what I do. As long as the tractor is good at tractor things, which the Selectrac was NOT.
I almost bought an electric one. The problem with them is that you have to replace that battery after 20 years. My diesel will last 80 years. So I’ll have to replace 4 batteries. 😆 that’s more costs.
You don't get the whole picture, you will save a lot of time and money on maintenance and fuel on the electric especially if you have solar panels of your own. The battery can be repurposed as a grid storage for your farm. And no diesel will definitely not last 80 years, government regulations is going to make sure of that, 25 years at best. The planet is going to have to go no emissions in order the reverse the amount of CO2 emitted. Technological leaps in batteries are also in development, production samples of solid state and semi solid state batteries are being tested, these batteries omit some steps of the manufacturing processes that are required in current battery technology which is going to reduce costs significantly in conjunction with the reduction in costs as global demand picks up.
The first time you have to sit for 5 hours to charge these things is the first crack in the wall to getting rid of it. Not ready for prime time.
I appreciate the move forward in technology but if you are a working farm then I see 4 hrs as limiting even if you have the fast charger. Work needs done not stop and go. Also if these are running on lithium I just can't be apart of this movement knowing the 2 countries the US buys its lithium from allow 5-90 year old people to hand did the minerals. India and South America country. Average lifespan of these workers is less than 30 yrs old. The compensation is less than a few dollars a day.
Tim when you run the ac head lights etc even more of a draw hmm? need to get a demo put your bag wing mower on a mowing project run the ac etc see how long it actually lasts
First of all Thanks for the informative video. Secondarily
With everything within my being I hate everything going to Electric. Tractors are not something that need to be electric. DIESEL POWER. We need to put diesel engines back onto what they originally were created for. Peanut oil. Now thats Renewable energy. I don't understand because they tried to do the same thing with ethanol in the gasoline.
I'll keep my new diesel.
Electric tractor price is probably expensive. Where these would be really good is if you setup solar panels and charge the tractor. This way you are running it for free. Like another CZcams person (Will Prowse) runs his Tesla for free.
Up front cost...panels, inverters, battery bank...and upkeep. Hardly "for free". A lightning strike nearby fried my solar inverter last year. 'nother $300!
@@Mr.Handy-ish Yes there are upfront costs. There are also costs adding those charging stations in your house. You can do solar on the “cheap” if you build your own system. Additionally, you could use the solar to power other things like your barn or shop.
No one will talk about the price because its a ridiculous price.
Hey Tim! Your intro with the blue electric tractor needs the wining annoying sound an electric tractor makes, not the diesel sound. 😂
They have greatly improved the noise in this tractor. Did you notice how quiet it was?
Coolant system in the battery design? Leave it to farmers to do what stupid billionaires fail to ever figure out! Finally some common sense behind some of this EPA driven crap on a stick! And no, I have not changed my opinion at all about an electrical driven world. I think if they start mandating this stuff around this country our entire electrical grid will simply melt from the insane demand.