Tom Pidcock DESTROYS Famous Strava KOM with BIG WATTS | Tour de France Contender?
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- čas přidán 18. 12. 2022
- Lanterne Rouge analyses Tom Pidcock's huge KOM effort on Sa Calobra this week.
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As I’ve said already, felt like an honor to get the UH OH email from Strava while Sat watching the World Cup final😂Thanks LR and crew for the shout!
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Go take it back and show him who's boss.
Ed’s a class act.
That's what you get for being lazy watching soccer
@@CowneloAlvaroid he was watching football
"Beat Wout Van Aert in a sprint at Amstel Gold" - I love how you threw that in there lmao
Casually, with a straight face!
Love these numbers breakdowns. They mean everything and nothing at the same time. The kid has got the mentality to break through to that ridiculously top level. Hope he does, just to see the bonkers racing that would bring to the races
To win, he needs a really strong team behind him...like Froome had. Not sure Ineos have got that these days...and he probably needs another year to develop. He certainly brings another dynamic to races though.
Problem with Ineos’ team is that they no longer has the top rider in the Tour to inspire the troops. You can have domestiques at the same level on paper. However, those from the team with the race leader or close challenger would perform at 120% (see Martinez in the Giro for Bernal). It has nothing to do with how unified or well drilled the squad is, it’s just a spur of the moment thing.
You just don’t get this adrenaline rush if you are supporting a distant, almost invisible 3rd (even if the 3rd is performing at a different level to the rest).
Even Thomas doesn’t believe he can challenge Pog and Jonas (which is a very level headed assessment), how could he expect the troop to go beyond themselves?
The situation would definitely change if Pidcock or Bernal got into yellow with a devil decent. Then you will see the Ineos of old levelling everybody else (provided Pidcock can keep up).
Over 22 minutes Paddy, hardly worth getting your kit on for ;)
@@jerrychicken967 🤣🤣
@@paddydunne774 it's Jerome BTW 😉 better use of your kit is to do a 200+ mile loop of the island, you nutter 🏝️😉
"If he drops a kilo"... From where? He'd disappear
Pidcock definitely has the raw talent. His wattage is not quite there yet but he’s close. Plus he has so many other weapons: descending, sprinting from a reduced group, handling and tricky road conditions. On certain courses he will be lethal
dont forget drifting
Agree but he seems so far to lack the mindset. Still doing cyclocross and mountain biking just seems pointless. He should have fully committed to be being a gc rider a while ago now and he still shows no signs of doing it
He is winning in cycling and mountainbiking.
He is not obligated to do what you want him to do.
Also his ridiculous bike handling skills come from cyclocross and mountainbiking.
@@HkFinn83 What mindset? That everyone 'should' just do GC in case some people on the internet think they should? Do elite runners all have to do either 100m or marathon, because the disciplines are supposed to be more 'prestige', instead of doing a discipline they actually like?
@@xx765 obviously I’m taking about being a gc rider. If he wants to win cyclocross races in front of 20 people in the middle of winter keep doing as is
Pidcock's descending was a piece of art for me. Still looking for full footage of the epic descent in this year's TdF
Still dreaming of the day you'll get the rights to the full uncut footage of Tom's descent in the Alpe D'Huez stage. I need to see it.
Do you know him personally?
The tour de France this year was absolutely mental. The stage 11 rolling attacks may be my favorite moment in the sport, watching Jonas and Roglic crack Pogacar like that. But Tom Pidcock's descent on the Gailibier is the one I show to all my friends, it's what inspires me to go cycling and it instantly made Tom my favorite rider. Hope this GC thing works out and we have an epic rivalry between Pidcock, Pogacar and Vingegaard the coming decade.
Definitely. But Vingegaard is less versatile comparing to the other top prospects. I'd say it looks like the future belongs to Pog and Remco, with Pidcock coming up fast and Ayuso starting to show scary potential.
While it's true that Vingegaard is more climey than sprinty, if no one can put time into you going up the big mountains then you'll be in the mix
This is some great off-season content. Let the Strava stalking commence
He should also do some cyclocross if he is aloud to
What’s the big deal? I smashed it up that hill for 2.5 times longer than Pidcock with my max effort. (201 watts/52 minutes). He lacks my stamina. 😐
Too right
That’s still a solid effort for an amateur. Well done.
Acknowledging the true winner of Amstel 2021.
not even close to WvA honestly. Deserved loss
@@bertfransman9864 agree that WvA is the better rider. But Pidcock won that sprint vs WvA on Amstel.
@@bertfransman9864 lol, whatever the result was, "not even close" couldn't be any more not factual, it couldn't have been less close
@@shaylorcyclingwahoolecol8313 That was kind of the joke, since it was maybe the closest finish in the last 3 years of WT...
Just funny to me that people still flock to that one camera angle when the photo-finish was quite clear, and as a Belgian, it's just Amstel, not a real classic :)
@@bertfransman9864 I see, fair enough...
Pid over Wout Amstel, the gift LR will never relent, even on his death bed
Everytime 😂😂
hehe exactly
Thanks Lanterne Rouge, for providing interesting analysis and content for the hardcore cycling fans out there during an otherwise boring off season. You're the best! 😁
watch some cx if you can, super fun off-season entertainment
nice video! I think its important to put training performances in perspective and remind people that training is training and whats important is what happens during a race. But im excited to see what he can do next season gc wise.
Never misses an Amstel dig 👌
said it like it was nothing
Lol thats what you call a dedicated hater
On his Rouleur interview Pidcock did say compared to last year he has lost 5 kilos (!!!!!!!!) This was one of the big reasons he won the Alpe D'Huez stage.
Think about that when you're about to drop a few thousand bucks on a carbon frame to save a kg...
Plus noone was fussed about chasing him...had pog, jonas amd wva wanted to chase, thwyd have blown pidcock away
I’d rather spend 2-3k on a carbon road bike with ultegra mechanical. And be able to properly enjoy christmas.
Obviously spending 13k+ on a bike with just another kg saved makes no sense whatsoever.
You can get a lot of professional help for that money that will make much greater improvements to your riding.
@Barney Klingenberg Snap. 2nd hand, less than 1 year old, just a mark on a brake lever, £1,600, less than half original price. Wheels could do with upgrading when I've saved up
great analysis as always, patrick.
Thanks for the latest video posting, Marry Christmas and happy New year 🥳 ⛄️🌲
Great stuff!!! But we will just have to wait and see.
Thank you..I've been watching Pidcock since he was a kid . Tough as nails !
with G at the giro , ineos should try piddy at the tour for sure and see if bernal is fit for the vuelta, this is actually not a terrible plan
Love the Pidcock descent, buuut my danish honor forces me to mention Pidcock is 2nd on Strava. The KOM goes to 2 meter Moviestar domestique - Mathias Norsgaard.
Norsgaard did 15.28
Pidcock did 16.08
Too bad cameras never show rear peloton crazy guys 🚴🏻♂️💨
True. Cavendish makes that point too
I love Pidcock, can't wait to see what he can do at the Tour next year
You descend into yes. Trouble is you have to arrive at the col del Reyes - altitude just under 700 metres. He would have ridden from sea level Alcudia where ineos were based . 45 km away . Perfect weather for them , I have never witnessed a December like this in mallorca. Great effort ,hats off .
I'm going out tomorrow on my local climb (sa calobra) So he better watch out... as I have my new chyna bike!! Ton of pro's here just now...
I did it last Thursday in 50m 30s.... difference is I'm 84kg, 170cm and almost 56yo.... I'm damn pleased with it and took some great advice out of Ed Laveracks full breakdown including pushing a high cadence when your gearing at 34/34 is all you have because the 34/30 jump is too much on certain steeper parts...spin it up to 90+!!!
Very interesting all the figures and the breakdown of them Patrick. Is Pidcock the same size as Remco Evenepoel, they seem similar?!
Pidcock is a bit lighter
@@LanterneRougeCycling Same height?
@@merckxy54 remco is 171cm and tom is 170cm
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If your not racing for GC then it is sensible not to go full gas on every stage and then the pick the stage to win for the most publicity.
It's an amazing time, however the watts and weight don't add up to nearly 2 mins, I'm guessing he must have been drafting.
It might not be a shoe-in for a win, but it’s not a bad atart
spring classics picks video needed......
Honest question: I've noticed you calling Meintjes "Menkies" before, I assume this is deliberate. Is there an inside joke I am not aware of? (If this is just another case of hard-to-pronounce-dutch-name that's fine of course. Keep up the good work!)
In Dutch you would actually not pronounce it "Menkies," so I'm assuming it's South African (Afrikaanse) pronunciation?
I believe that ‘tj’ is pronounced as a hard K in South African names
@@jaknewby2922 Wow, really? I did not know that was a thing. I’m Dutch, so we would pronounce it as ‘Mine-tjes’. Just assumed it would be the same in Afrikaans.
@@danielduisenberg8097 In Afrikaans, "tj" is pronounced "k". A poitje (cooking pot), is pronounced poiky. Meintjies should be pronounced slightly more like Maingkies than Mennkies, but it's subtle.
Tom is a ridiculous talent, maybe a little fatigued through 2022 after the cross season and not reaching his full potential on the road. A little bit more glute strength and he can win a Grand Tour.
Would like to see Remco Evenepoel having a cut at the KOM!!!
Yeah, well just see. Still think Ineos get a better shot in a couple of years with Rodriguez.
Tom is a extreme good cycler, we in flanders know him verry good ... In the tour the france he could ride a top 10 place for sure if his team backs him up. The only one who is going to win the tour is the one who can beat pogacar ! If Pogacar brings a good team nobody can challenge him . If we like it or not he is the best ! Vigegaard was lucky last tour he had Wout who always brought him back to the front of the peleton before the mountens came... You can also say, the team who have Wout in it will win the tour . Wout can do it all on top World level, cyclocross, timetrail, climbing and sprinting . So if Tom could have Wout in his team he could end on the podium of the tour. Pogacar is the man to beat for the tour, he enjoy bike racing so so much.
Getting close to Michele Ferrari's magic 7w/kg for 20 minute bench mark. Pane e acqua.
You can't beat a Tommy: Voeckler, or Pidcck - entertainers both.
He did it behind a roller though
Tommy P is my boy!!!
INSANEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!
183 maximum HR seems low for such a young boy. Was this even full steam?
Normally, you would consider Pidcock trying to win a Tour in the old fashioned efficient way á la Froome a waste of talent and entertainment value. Then I guess since Pog, they win Tour in a different way now.
As usual I nice breakdown ,
Pidcock has the talent and the mindset to win a Grand Tour , but having to the talent and actually winning a 3 week stage race are not always mutually inclusive , History in the end tells the truth!?!
The video is touching on, but perhaps doesn't spell out the big difference there is between doing one world-level effort vs repeating world-level efforts day in and day out for three weeks.
and... it's winter
Comments don't disappoint
"Not even a climber"
"Not won anything substantial"
Lols lads lols 😆
Not a lot knows, but actually Mathias Norsgaard was faster down Galibier that day… Check Strava.
"It's also horses for courses". 😅😅
KOM on popular climb
Sauce for Strava : Cat 2
It's only looking at 1 min 27secs of the data for the "Cat 2"
it literally said world tour
Tom for Paris Roubaix
Probably too small and light for men's PR. It helps to be big with long wheelbase
Jonas win tour because he got team mates, Pog did not have enough team mates like Jonas.
Really wish Tom would stay with a MTB/CX/Classics focus and not do tours
heartbraking video for germans. first kämna and then geschke :(
6.6 watts/kg for 45 mins and 8 watts / KG for last 5 mins !!! 😱
Where do you get the 6.6W/kg for 45min from? it was around 23min and 7.5w/kg for 1:30.
@@MDP1702 he was getting confused with my turbo session tonight..... :)
Actually Lanterne, Tom looks like you on the bike. 😎
Thomas Pidcock MBE. not yet a sir
Are you ever going to open a shop to sell some Lanterne Rouge merch? I'd love to get a cool t-shirt or two!
Keep up the solid work bruv 🤙
Merch will drop in 2023
@@LanterneRougeCycling awesome! I'm really happy to hear that. It'll be a good way to help support your channel. I'm hoping some will feature the drawings I see on Raúl's analysis articles. Whoever does those drawings is really fantastic. Cheers LR...best cycling channel on CZcams!
@@benfolds17 haha you already know whats happening, yes Louemans will be involved
Beat WVA in Amstel? lol
Asymmetrical pacing? WTF are you on about? 🤣
The first half of the climb was paced slower than the second half. This makes a slimb more difficult than a steady effort throughout. What's so difficult to understand?
@@conormoore7084 100% correct, but it is also worth adding that asymmetry can work the other way too: a faster first half and a slower second.
These watts are pathetic, he keeps getting destroyed in cx lol.
CX isn’t a steady effort but tons of sprints
@@rein2523 and Pidcock is known to be explosive... Also VDP and WVA always go full gas for an entire hour in CX.
weight plays a bigger factor in cx with Mathieu and Wout just rolling through the mud and such with their huge watts. But Pidcock has a w/kg advantage on the climby courses like Namur and others (Hulst he won).
@@81caasi He got beaten in Namur by Vanthourenhout and only won in Hulst because Wout had a mechanical in the beginning. He gets destroyed on the climb courses as well.
Tour de Fance contender?
No, but we'll just pretend he is because British
Edit: But I hope he proves me wrong.
He's still young and has only done road for a year or two. So not this year, but he's still developing as a rider and shows a lot of promise for GC.
Tom Pidcock is nowhere near ready to win a ground tour. He simply doesn’t have it. He is not even a climber. But wow he is good at descending..😂 He is a cyclocross rider that Ineos is using to get that Red Bull helmet off of Wout’s head and onto one of theirs.
He definitely is a good climber, question is how good. Personally I am for now sceptical about his GT GC chances, mostly due to TT results so far with the u23 and pro's (was good as juniors, but doesn't say that much necessarily). His climbing so far is also maybe enough for a top 10, but podium or top 5 is still difficult, let alone winning it. But this would have been said about so many riders that eventually won a GT at his age.
I think winning up alp dhuez is enough to make you a half decent climber
"He's not even a climber". So, a non-climber won a TdF stage on Alpe D'Huez, right? A non-climber just took KOM on a climb that almost every single pro-rider in the world will train on at some point in every year.
Did you think at all before you started typing? Did it cross your mind to engage your brain for half a second before pontificating?
@@MikeAG333 yeah you simple cunt a non-climber won a mountain stage - can you wrap your mind around that? Wout also did it and yet he is still “not even a climber” which is why Jumbo does not rally behind him for GC. Ineos did the same thing and will continue to because he is, stay with me, not a climber. You think Pogacar is out trying to take KOM’s during training? No way, real climbers don’t have to prove to the world they can do such a thing because it is wasted effort. Pidcock was hardly even the third best climber on his own team at least year’s tour. He was not there for the GC and never will be because he is not even a climber. Sheesh!
@@MikeAG333 yeah all right pipe down mate it’s a video about cycling you silly little boy acting like your Mike Tyson
Nice to see the drug culture from team sky continues with ineos 🚴♂️👍👍
And most other teams
Yep. It's exactly the same drug culture: none at all. Clean. You half-wits who just spout "drugs" any time anyone does something a bit special, or everytime someone does something you couldn't conceive of doing yourself.........well, you're just pathetic. You should just toddle off back to kindergarten and finish your fingerpainting. Leave the conversation to the adults in the room.
@@MikeAG333 Naïve
@@okantichrist Not in the slightest. As a retired professional sportsman, I understand the drug testing regime. I am also in regular touch with current sportsmen who have to undergo it, and who tell me of its rigours. Married to a scientist, and with a scientist daughter, I also have a clue as to how difficult it would be to evade the modern testing system.
If you guys who threw allegations around understood anything about science (you don't), you'd know that the onus (scientific burden), falls on those making the claim: your claim, you need to produce the evidence. And you'd also know that you haven't got any evidence. It's the easiest thing in the world to chuck around unsubstantiated allegations.
Spicy!🌶
Crazy how he took 10 minutes out of me up there..
Mind you i was 82kg when i done it amd not a pro
All 45kg of him...
poor Shed Lathercock.
Tom, it’s about time you drop the dirt and focus on the road.
He is either on the juice or he is just slamming butter chicken