Are Lectins Toxic? | Alan Flanagan & Matthew Nagra | The Proof Podcast EP
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- Legumes are trying to kill you. At least, that’s what Dr Steven Gundry would have you believe. Over the decades, various health fads have targeted one nutrient or compound after another: carbs, fat, gluten, and now, lectins. In Episode #286, I sit down with Dr Alan Flanagan, PhD, and Dr Matthew Nagra, ND, to dissect the bold assertions made in Dr Steven Gundry’s book, The Plant Paradox.
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In this episode, we are joined by two exceptional experts in the field of nutrition. Dr Alan Flanagan, PhD, is an accomplished nutritionist and the founder of Alinea Nutrition. He brings a rich background that spans both law and science, with a special focus on imparting impartial, science-based nutrition analysis.
We’re also joined by Dr Matthew Nagra, ND, a passionate advocate for plant-based nutrition and a certified expert from Cornell University. Growing up with personal health struggles and witnessing the transformative power of lifestyle-based interventions in his own life and his father's, Dr Nagra merges his comprehensive medical training with a deep-rooted commitment to bridging the gap between lifestyle changes and medical treatments.
We discuss:
00:00 - Kickstart Guide: Understanding Lectins for Better Health
04:00 - What Are Lectins? A Comprehensive Explanation for Health Enthusiasts
08:12 - Demystifying Lectins: Common Myths vs. Facts
09:21 - Dr. Gundry's Plant Lectin Claims: A Critical Examination
14:00 - Transformative Effects? Real Stories Post Dr. Gundry's Diet
16:51 - Evaluating Dr. Gundry's Lectin Claims: A Closer Look
17:50 - Busting Dr. Gundry's First Myth: Nutrition Misconceptions Uncovered
28:52 - Fact-Check: Do Lectins Trigger Leaky Gut Syndrome?
37:50 - Cooking vs. Lectins: Does Heat Really Neutralize Them?
45:37 - Investigating Myth 3: Lectins' Role in Causing Inflammation
49:31 - Myth 4 Debunked: The Truth About Lectins and Autoimmune Health
54:40 - Unveiling Myth 5: Can Lectins Be the Culprit Behind Weight Gain?
1:01:15 - Lectin Shield Exposed: Is This the Ultimate Lectin Blocker?
1:08:54 - Decoding Dr. Gundry: Essential Takeaways on Lectins
1:13:00 - Lectins: Concluding Insights for Health-Conscious Audiences
Connect with Dr Matthew Nagra:
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- Website: drmatthewnagra.com/
Connect with Dr Alan Flanagan:
- Instagram: / thenutritionaladvocate
If you have any additional questions you would like answered in the future, let me know in the comments.
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Hiding behind one’s credentials to making demonstrably false claims to enrich oneself is the worst kind of quackery. There is seemingly no accountability for the harm Gundry is creating.
I never did trust dr gundry
He probably isn't a dr LOL.
@@lindapestridge3073didn't trust him either full of BS he is a Dr a cardiac surgeon I guess makes him an expert on lectins and snake oil!?
Speaking of quacks…Dr. Fraudci is at the top of that list of doctors doing irreparable harm. Dr. Rochelle Walensky, of the CDC, is equally as culpable in promoting demonstrably false claims. Claims that have proven to result in fatal consequences. 💉❌
Several of the doctor gurus who have appeared on PBS are also on the most wanted list at QUACKWATCH. Hyman and Amen etc.
Dr. Matthew Nagra is one of the most brilliant and hardworking vegan doctor.
He is not a doctor by the way.
But he is brilliant. Having an actual M.D. (like Gundry) certainly doesn't guarantee that someone is a good source of nutritional advice. @@carolineklutsch2514
@@carolineklutsch2514He is a doctor. Not MD but ND.
I did a little experiment with myself: my thyroid specialist suggested I follow Dr. Gundry’s plan to help cure my Hashimoto’s thyroiditis. So, I went and stopped most lectins for three months and took a blood test. (Note that I am a whole food vegan). My antibodies did not go down at all. However, I started working on my gut Microbiome and re-introduced all the lectins and voilà! my antibodies went down considerably.
I have Hashimoto’s so this is good info, I’m also vegan (6/7 years but Hashimoto’s for 23 years). I’ve thought about cutting out wheat flour/berry out since I’ve read it mimics the thyroid at a cellular level, causing a larger autoimmune reaction. Idk though.
Not cutting grains (corn, oats, etc), just wheat flour
I should try it and get labs done afterward on my thyroid just to see if there’s a change. My levels have been stable for many years so far
@@seitanbeatsyourmeat666 I try to avoid wheat and processed food, but not “lectins”
Get a new thyroid specialist.
The actual plant paradox is that 'plants try to kill you' yet they improve your health. Or, as Matthew would say 'if plants are trying to kill you, they're doing a really bad job! '
The 3 Musketeers! So excited about this talk and the proof of appropriate nutrition! Thank you Simon, Alan & Mathew!
Two of my favourite nutrition science communicators in one conversation (3 including Simon) - YES PLEASE 🙏
I love my instant pot so much! I cook beans several times a week. Blending them, mushing them, throwing them on top of everything from popcorn to overnight oats mushed black beansBeans are so versatile and the variety of them out there is staggering. Albeit hard to find a lot of the heirloom varieties. Thank you Simon for validating my life style once again. Although you probably are the one who inspired it years ago.
Personally, I’ve found a great deal of Dr. Gundry’s podcasts and teachings are excellent and informative - whilst myself ignoring the lectins & his supplements adds (not many of these to be honest and other options are often given). He’s a heavily plant based educator and covers varied topics in way that I find useful. It doesn’t mean I agree with him all the time as I certainly don’t - just like any other channel. :)
While non-practice-oriented but very bookish people continue to argue other people in whose solid hands are truly valuable and knowledgeable practical experience that doesn’t require broad spectrum accepting blessings - they always and ever stay one or usually way more steps ahead. Salud, Dr. Gundry. You have helped me a lot during these last 3 years.
Will be purchasing my LECTIN SHIELD today! Thanks!
Good choice!
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Indeed. We should all be supporting this multi-millionaire quacka=doodle in making more money. He may even have some good snake-oil or bridges we can buy.
Stay protected 🛡
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I enjoyed this comedy episode 😁 and was glad to have it confirmed that lectins aren't a problem 👍. Could you please just ask Alan to move his giant microphone down so that people that don't hear as well can read his lips!
Ty for debunking the fears some might have regarding foods that vegetarians rely on.
Legumes and nuts have been a stable food for Greeks especially Cypriot Geeeks for 100s if not thousand of years ...I grew up like millions of Greeks having at least 3 times a week a legume main meal. The Mediterranean diet is based on legumes as these foods form the most frequent consume food as a main meal , at least 3 times a week as I mentioned above. The people consuming legumes as their basis of their diet are the longest living and most healthy in the world. The whole argument about lectins is false if you follow the Mediterranean way of cooking and eating legumes which one of the most nutritious food on the planet. A diet based on legumes has to be encouraged from a very early age...
Is there a way i can learn more about the mediterranean way of cooking?
Hello Friends,
I'm curious to know which part of the conversation you found the most insightful and engaging. Also, if you have any other questions related to this subject, please post them below this comment. I'll make sure to include them in our next discussion.
Real great conversation, both for debunking gundry and secondly exposing how people can be manipulated into the quackery market.
About 30 years ago I was hooked on the Barry Sears ZONE diet.
He claimed all nutritional science, and medicine was mostly wrong, and HE knew the path to cardiovascular health, if you followed his system!
Fortunately his dietary principles were pretty good, but after following his diet and buying his expensive books, I came to realize that he simply copied the conventional science, of which he criticized.
Now that I can admit being hooked by quackery, let all beware that their own nutritional guru might market snake oil.
Analyze nutrition as science, not a religion with a Messiah.
Wow loved this. My 3 favorite science nerds ❤❤❤
Thanks for talking about this topic.
If you touched on sprouting beans I missed it. It is my understanding that sprouting beans reduces lectins. Do you know what percentage of the lectins are removed by sprouting? Since Dr. B recommends sprouting lentil I'm assuming they are safe and healthy.
Thanks for this. I recently checked Gundry's advice against main stream summaries about the harm that lectins can cause. Loads of contradictions. So then I became aware that he might be a fraud. Thanks for the confirmation.
Thank you guys for this talk. Very enlightening!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Animal products if cut completely will reduce total cholesterol from first day . Did personal experience as a medical doctor on myself reduced my total cholesterol from 7.4 to 4.8 in 2 weeks but my liver enzymes raised a little bit in these 2 weeks because no oil at all even plant oil.
59:01 Preparing beans: I always cook dried beans in a pressure cooker, without soaking. It is easy and fast and has the additional benefit that dried beans can easily be stored in relatively large quantities because they take less space than canned beans. I also **think** that they are tastier, possibly because I cook them without salt.
What about lectins in nuts? Would this be an issue considering nuts are often not cooked before eating?
You should not eat raw nuts.
critical tinking is a must! and what about that ozzie doc who promotes genetic tests for gluten sensitivity?
Dr Steven Gundry, (followed him for a while) will say anything to sell his stuff. He is a salesman and statements border on mis-info comparable to a used car salesman.
QQQuestion: does your podcast include Dr’s like: Dr Mary & Mike Eades, or Dr. Westman, that have been studying for over 2decades? Just wondering if both sides are represented. I’m looking for both sides represented. (Not debates between the sides, I mean true interviews) Thanks
Budget conscious are soaking and cooking dried legumes to save $$$
Those who want to avoid "gas" do a 3 day soak changing water each day. No gas left. Nice cooked beans
It's so frustrating that a book can be written about anything by anyone with some form of credential, but no actual knowledge or backing of valid scientific studies, and we have to spend so much time refuting their claims. This feels like the Atkins era. The number of times I've been asked about lectins is about as many times as where I get my protein.
You guys seem to be misrepresenting Gundry to me, he actually doesnt say avoid beans he says he eats few times a week, but soaks and pressure cooks
I think the issue is the sensationalized titles and text that are meant to sell supplements and books and confuse people: "The Plant Paradox: The Hidden Dangers in Healthy Foods That Cause Disease and Weight Gain. The Plant Paradox is a revolutionary look at the hidden compounds in "healthy" foods like fruit, vegetables, and whole grains that are causing us to gain weight and develop chronic disease."
If he came out and said hey guys, I eat beans twice a week but don't eat raw, hard beans, it wouldn't sell many books because that's what people are already doing (if they actually eat beans).
You’re supped to soak and pressure cook them… so what you’re really saying is he’s in the business of fear mongering to sell his expensive pills as “protection” against something that soaking and pressure cooking takes care of?
Yes, he’s a charlatan. Thanks for the admission 😂
This is a wonderful health talk. Gundry is a quack. If you listen to Gundry you’ll be sick. Thank you for logic. Simon Hill always has knowledge filled discussions.
Awesome episode. Thank you! There are differences of opinion on what the data says, and then there is complete madeup falsehood.
Oxalates???? I was a vegetarian for over 25 years. And the oxalates were destroying my kidneys! With kidney stones.then kidney cancer. I had to make big changes in my diet. so i been eating meat alot and fasting. I feel incredibly fit now at 58 no more kidneys Stones, stomach issues.
I am sorry about your kidney stones and kidney cancer, but being vegan or vegetarian does not inherently increase your risk of kidney stones. Excessive intake of oxalate rich foods like spinach does, but that has nothing to do with you being vegetarian.
Other risk factors of kidney stones are low calcium intake, high animal protein intake, and low fruit and vegetable intake which your current diet seems to have.
Gluten caused swelling for 30 years eggs and beef did for 3 years. I now can eat most anything without any swelling.
When Alan Flanagan refers to " a Tim Spector size red flag" I wonder if he means that Tim Spector is guilty of raising red flags or if he, like Flanagan, calls out others who raise red flags. Anyone know? My point is, I'm curious about what Alan Flanagan thinks of Tim Spector as a source of nutritional information, since I'm on the fence about him.
The peanuts in peanut butter are roasted not raw aren’t they? At least mine says roasted peanuts on the tub
Excellent as always! One of the best nutritional science podcasts out there, certainly one of my favorites. Destroying specious claims with evidence. But with all respect, please please Simon, try to avoid the ever-present and constant (over)use of “kinda" and "sorta". It waters down the language and is unnecessary to make any point. It's a form of fluff word or verbal tic similar to "like" and "literally". Limiting these silly (non)words will only make your speech better and more powerful, and you're such a wonderful speaker. Again, feedback given with love and respect.
@@panes840 The use of those words have spread like wildfire, or should I say COVID. Yes, it's an unconscious habit, which is why I brought it up. Precision in science and precision in language is a natural match.
What about terms like 'somewhat'?
Thanks for the feedback!
Really..? are we not making a mistake like it was made 50-60 years ago? Whoever feels that he is getting healthy, can do it! The young people, who do not yet have the symptoms of evil, carry the "torch" of the injustices of "our brave grandfathers"! Yes. Religion, like the medical mafia, are left unpunished, except that it also has a positive aspect (good for what?). "Green them" who carry the "axe" of revenge for hundreds of years!!
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Can I live on seal blubber if my parents did
Listening to this Gundry beat down which I have zero loyality to the man, but your statement that there are gaps in understanding are unfortunate considering the ego's so apparent here today. Why not ignore Gundry and work together to find the answer to these gaps.
These doctors background on Science , I've no idea plus they are under 60 years old.
So how shall we compare apples to pears?
So you mean Lectins won't tigger artrit or other joint pains , then I'll be the happiest person on earth . You are saying may be ,
"Encouraging of his special vitamin ? "🤷♀️
Looking forward what is your point of view about " Lectin" rumours in the future not only with one podcast this issue could be clear🤥
I skipped the main point as well.
Is it placebo effect? You think we are experiencing this by obeying a lectin free world as much as we can.
" every little helps"in lectin world..gluten etc.
Pls discuss this confliction again so we can understand better.
Did you people make any tests on nations like Indian, Asian who eats more lentils etc or Mediterrean people like me eat night shades nearly everyday most days but use only Virgin Olive Oil.
We didn't know what is Coconut oil is.
Lately Dr Nail Barnard said it's saturated fat & blocks the arteries.
Reason Far East people won't have arteries problems are their genetic🧬🧬🧬
Where as Mediterranean 🏖️people mostly have low HDL levels🫠under 35 ,
meaning their arteries may block quickly than another person in far east who consumes Coconut oil everyday .
Cause their & Anglesaxons born with high HDL level🙏which we call good choloesterol, protects their arteries getting plaque.
So always mention the ethnicity while comparing these things.
Thank you for everthing very useful topic😊
Very informative podcast & like interviewer as well.
We gives me sincere feeling .
"I'm not a robot"😊
God Bless🙏💙💙💙
Alan Flanagan flying very close to defamation action. His comments on Dr Gundry were absolutely brutal and a little unprofessional. I don't follow Gundry (nor care about what he days) but I was wincing hearing Alan Flanagan ripping Gundry to shreds. Tone it down, keep things respectful and professional. Don't drag the Proof down.
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If it's easy to teach, beware. Gundry isn't easy to fact-check. Btw, evidence is a technical term that has a much different meaning in science/bio-chemistry and for laypeople who use a biblical or common sense grasp of evidence.
Simon just the arrogance of your two attendees alone makes one not trust these guys plus their bias is evident to anyone that has the ability to see through their resentment and hatred.
Almost 30min still waiting on why Lectin is not that bad…
What does Gundry ACTUALLY say? Avoid legumes, or cook them very well?
He tells people to avoid lectins and take his expensive supplement (Lectin Shield) which will protect you.
Gundry said Eden brand canned beens are okay because they are pressure cooked, and pressure cooking destroys lectins. The generic canned beans I buy, which cost way less than Eden, are also pressure cooked.
@gabymalembe Eden cans have been BPA free for many years,before anyone was concerned about it. A bit more expensive but they're a great company that I don't mind supporting.
@@aliciab4236he doesn't say you have to take his supplements. People here have not read his book apparently
I always saw him as an outright LIAR. Just a money grabber.
Ancient Ayurveda (the legit Ayurveda, not the woo version it’s become) actually advises against pressure cooking food. They knew that lectins were healthy for you, and that pressure cooking destroyed all of them vs regular cooking keeps some intact for you to benefit from
I don't think you even read the book. LOL unsubscibed
So we have to always soak beans before cooking? @theproofwithsimonhill
Pressure cooking without soaking also destroys lectins faster than the time it takes for beans to become edible.
"Pressure cooking without presoaking the beans decreased the lectin concentration to below detectable levels in 45 min. However, 60 min pressure cooking was required to soften the beans sufficiently to be edible. Commercially canned red kidney beans frequently eaten without further heating varied in lectin content but the levels were close to those of beans pressure cooked for about 30 min."
doi.org/10.1111/j.1365-2621.1983.tb14831.x
@@TheProofWithSimonHillthank you!!