Chess Evolved: the most gigantic chess variant
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- čas přidán 14. 05. 2024
- Chess Evolved Online, also known as Old Old Chess Battle Advanced, is a game created by the Spaghetti Monster. In my opinion, it's a "must-play" game in that it expands your idea of what chess variants even are, with over 400+ pieces and a non-p2w upgrades system.
I've been hesitant for a long while to do this kind of video, because the (solo) game developer has made a lot of genius, but also a lot of crap, and despite making a (mostly) not-p2w game, it took a long time until it was not-p2w, and the developer has pissed away a lot of the genius-credibility. (one of the most credibility reducing things the spaghetti monster has done is spending years addicted to a crypto game that had p2w upgrades)
Anyway, I figure this game is on my mind, and it's easy enough to make videos about it.
0:00 Intro, basic rules
6:30 Gameplay
12:06 Shop
19:05 Upgrades
discord: discord.gg/V64JDvbWsf
"we call this nuance to mock the developer" had me busting out laughing.
Chess Dynasties Enhanced
actskyly it's Chess Deluxe Enhanced, there's a song for it
Losing my king certainly would lower my morale
The best joke for this channel would to have this be the only video ever on it. Although for now it seems like you have several videos planned on this game, looking forward to em!
just because you said that I uploaded a new video, get owned lmao
Chess evolved online is sure an Advanced battle of Chess.
how come this channel isn't named "Channel Icely Advanced", makes for a quaint acronym, too
Ah yets the CIA
Secret Channel Evolved???
0:01 I am so glad that this video got so much traction! I used to play 250 hours of this back in 2021 or so. An underrated part of the game is the discord. Every time I talk about arguing on the internet, I fondly recall that one time that GodOfTomatoes and I had an argument against f0x from 1 to 4 in the morning about wether telemarketers added value to society. I may have had my differences with the man (EDIT: f0x, GoT was supper kind and lovely), but he was an actual factual intellectual. And Elias once showed me I was a mere grasshopper by roleplaying as a plane-planeteer and utterly trouncing my attemps at overcoming the lack of logic. That was magical. I have issues with CCGs where I get complacent and fail to update my decks, so I lost impulse to play, but I still remember it fondly. Now that I lost access to DBD I might give it a spin. Long Live Grand (even if I play SleeperService more). On to the video!!!
0:22 Also having 40 names and developing some extremely solid modular discord bots on a level I have scarcely seen elsewhere.
0:30 classic andrew hussie meets the housing crisis is the everything crisis meets sleep deprivation
2:30 Oh god classic Kingmover spam that everyone did well except me XD
2:59 I have won a billion games where I traded kings with Angel and then ran down the biggest champion they had. So nice. Something cool is that you can be a GM while being an 800 in chess, like me. Just know your openings and play with your brain. I wish there was a real timeout wincon, instead of the constant +15
3:06 To be fair, vertical castling was also a common joke until very recently in regular chess. It was written in a puzzle that required the king to castle vertically with a newly promoted rook, but the FIDE rules already specified it was only a move to be performed on the same rank. It was written something like O-O-O-O-O-O-O#
4:02 the store and premium currency are also the most generous you'll ever see. Drop a dragon blessing, use the market, sell low tier units, you cruise
4:55 Not necessary at all. I like mot of what TheGrandestine did
6:43 be VERY careful with random megaminion discovered attacks, and don't confuse a piece for another XD
7:54 Just make sure there is not a Dove in the diagonal
8:45 Just use your brain also, because if you even trade too much you might find yourself hard-pressed to defend yourself against an uptrader like HauntedArmor, or a solomater like Dragon. Sometimes a Knight is stronger than a bishop, as Levy says
10:40 I had a custom piece back then that was a Convoy, it was basically a Prince (kingmover) that had a Warrior, a Knight and a Ninja inside it. It could move like all of them, being a way overcosted dragon with Ninja farjump, but each time it captured something with a non-kingmove, it would "deploy" (transform enemy into) the piece it captured with, so you could dissasemble it and end up with an 8 cost kingmover and 3 extra champions, if you could eat 3 minions. It was a fun idea, like all custom pieces. It even got levelled-up pieces and armor as you upgraded it, making it more efficient and risky
13:10 Speaking as an FTP myself
16:01 I have gotten hit by lighting on non immobile units when the opponent jumped into a bad trade while I was unaware. It's very good area denial, even if Wrath is a more common user. Man, I miss Lust Samurai
16:19 "Free" being three turns and one morale. Development is still a thing. Grand called hardcountring part of a more nuanced thing, so yeah. It's the grand equivalent of "filosofía muy interesante" for any argentinian viewers
19:43 I so love this upgrade system. Pawn+ is actually a very good unit to run as a 2 of in the center on a well designed army. But something like Samurai+ sucks
26:37 Much less addicting than DBD or the average RPG I play. And if anything just log in for 2 minutes. I played like 3 days a week
27:49 Pleasure watching. Subbed
waiting for someone to make a Chess Battle Advanced joke
Chess Battle Advanced
:boba:
i think you meant to say "waiting for someone to make a Chess Battle Advanced joke Battle Advanced"
chess battle advanced
Champion battle advanced
Played this for a while on Kongregate ages ago but quit when pieces started appearing in my dreams. Tried coming back to it a couple years later but in 10+ ranked games i only faced bots so i gave up on it. Cool to see someone talking about it!
You get to face players at about 1200 rating I think
@@gabrote42 Thanks maybe I'll give it another shot!
@@BlandTomtarOchTroll If you do I'll be happy to give you a few rounds or tips. My name in steam and discord is this one. I am still in the Chess Battle Advanced Discord, I just have it muted unless I am specifically mentioned
@@gabrote42 Cool! I'll absolutely send you a message on steam if I do 😀
This game broke my brain back way back then when I played it.
Chess Evolved Online
I really love this game, I hate that it has such strict progression and there's no way to just mess around with your friend using all the pieces. I hate that not a single person has made a chess variant that is as balanced or interesting. You say this is unbalanced, but at least it manages to have a customization system that somewhat balances itself with the point total thing and morale. I just want to play a sandbox version of this with my friends, I'm so annoyed that no other game is like this.
I really just want someone to copy this game 1 for 1 but where everything is unlocked immediately. Please. God help us
hmm I just want to say I don't think the game is all that unbalanced, it's in its most balanced and fun state right now, but there are definitely design issues that make people hate the game lmao. and yeah... the CBA meme actually comes from people trying to make offshoots of this game (I was even invited onto one of them and despite being playable/multiplayer/having design choices that I personally prefer way over this game, it is very slow in development AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH) but yes. this is amazing core gameplay with a cursed dev etc
@@IcelyPuzzles Wait, I actually heard about that one. It's still in development? I thought it had been cancelled. Well I'm glad, that means hopefully eventually we'll have another game like this.
Channel Bonus Arrives
I would love a video explaining what things are in this game, such as reputation, royal power, crowns, gold stars, and contribution.
ah yes Warhammer but for chess nerds
still wish the grind wasn't as painful, i just wanna do cool things with an 8x8 grid but i gotta get them rubies to unlock pieces and fasjkgasjgkdsaj i hate grind
in the kongregate days you could farm a currency called 'Contribution' by doing outside-of-game things to gain ingame currency, there may be a video about that entire embarrassment lmao
@@IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bq sounds funny, shame i missed the train on that, but not being from the anglosphere of the internet does that sometimes
P.S. : Play Void Stranger already if you haven't yrt, it's a good puzzles game
@@IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bqI mean this kind of model still exists for many mobiles games lol
I fucking love this game thx for introducing it to me.
Humongous chess batte
advanced
The fact your covering the game completes the meme, its done.
I hope the game gets more popular/polished
it's nowhere near done lmao
this is Old Old Chess Battle Advanced, I did not explain AT ALL where the hell CBA comes from, which is its own rabbit hole lmao
@@IcelyPuzzles i still dont know why you havent showed cba lol
@@RayquazaPhantom it's because the lore about CBA is way way too much of a rabbit hole of fractal dumbness
@@IcelyPuzzles oh ok
The video is a great introduction to CEO, but I think you should have added examples of specific balancing problems with pieces, for example with the piece "pride". Honestly the reason pride suffers so much as a unit is that it only has 1/4 morale gain. Since it halves any morale that is added to its value, and also only gives half its value to king on death, you're only getting 1/4 of a kill's value in worth. This means that to get the same morale worth as a vampire+, which is at the same value of 18, you would have to kill a 12 cost unit. Vampire's kill applies to minions and champions of any value, in comparison, while also giving your opponent morale debt. If we factor in the net change of 6 morale then pride would have to kill a 24 cost unit to get the same return as a vampire+. Now, there's an obvious way around pride's quarter weakness and it's the fact that if Pride is the last in any exchange it will keep whatever value it has gained, and its drain will therefore equal half the value of the unit it kills. However, this means that, again, to equate the difference that a vampire+ makes, it would have to kill and survive killing a 12 cost unit. Vampire+ can die, whereas pride cannot while conserving its optimal kill effect. On top of that it has a worse moveset. Now, pride does have the bonus of a guaranteed morale gap caused by its own starting value (6, 7, 8 and 9 for each respective tier). However this also assumes that you're trading pride for a unit of equivalent value, something that is highly unlikely due to pride's horrendous moveset. The morale gap is offeset by the low trade potential of the unit and the cost to your own army. A greed/pride army would possibly have potential if pride had a better moveset or lower cost but as is I can't see the unit being used at any level of play effectively.
eagerly looking forward to that vid on the dev :3c
Icely would you play Rise of the Pawn?
It is truly the most advanced of battle chess
the designer contacted me about it, super interesting (but have not yet played it at the time of writing this message lol)
"Chess Online is an mmo rpg where you write your own army"
I remember playing this on Kongregate for a while, was decently fun
4:05 this is literally the cba title screen
this is my new favourite game thank you so much
also haha chess battle advanced
whoa new icely channel
I used to play this like 6 years ago, kinda nostalgic
Man, I used to play this game, and seeing it on here was a surprise
And even bigger surprise is not understanding anything you said!
What must this community be, I am not a part of
Chess Battle Advanced
this looks so interesting!
This channel feels very necessary, chess battle advanced
i have never laughed so hard watching a chess youtube video. i might be dead
For all the spaghetti he is worth, he actually made a working game. Those who hated his style but left their own attempts in development hell should have no argument. This is the true Chess Battle Advanced. :D
love that this video is you saying "i love this game despite being the dev being the absolute fucking worst"
I really want someone to explain to me what Chess Battle Advanced even is. I have never been able to find a clear answer.
Just got this randomly recommended. Surprised that you have second channel. Did you ever mentioned it on your main one?
surely you didn't make this on a second channel to avoid this being your 1000th video
You're onto something.
Turns out you weren't.
13:51 you got the ranger from the "idle game" boxes near the start of the video at 4:36
It feels like a totally unbalanced variant of chess, and I like it! 🙃
4:30 Kongregate mentioned. Like administered
I found the necessary second channel
nvm it was published on his community tab
Man, I remember playing this years ago. Is it finally out of beta tho?
finally, a real video game
stress chess
Oh hey, I wonder if I've played against your main account before. If you've played against some dude with a weird obsession with archers, that was probably me.
Samurai and Phoenix destroy ai and low ladder, it's hilarious.
CHESS BATTLE ADVANCED IS REAL
Given that this video got recommended to me out of the Aether with me not being a watcher of chess or having ever seen anything from you prior I'm not really sure if that last thing you said at the end was meant as a good thing or a bad thing and now I'm curious as to which it is.
P.S. Kongregate is a name I've not heard in over a decade, what a blast from the past to hear it mentioned.
yeah, almost chess 2, just need one more thing, but i don't know exactly what
Chess battle very advanced
"You don't need to buy the arcane box"
Buys an arcane box 🤔
I'm planning to make a chess game soon
An advanced chess game*
i liked the part with the chess
League of chess!
They should sell skins actually!
Been playing the daily chess challenges on this for... almost, over a decade? Brilliant game, ruined regular chess for me - despite being horribly unbalanced.
Can we get more of an explanation on how the threat board works? There's different sizes of colored boxes, and it's not entirely clear what they mean. Perhaps large is a magic attack?
it gets larger the more threat there is (3 attackers is larger than 1 attacker), plus it gets really large for higher threat like magic yeah
@@IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bq Thanks! I was starting to think that.
Well I've been enjoying this game quite a lot today. I think I'm relying too much on the wizard though...
The Based Take is a pretty interesting one. It's not totally without grains of truth, despite starting with an unhinged claim about tiktok and maybe not understanding the design and intent of a modern liberal government or the (rather low) degree of sophistication of modern algorithms
I really enjoy this game, I found it by the devs idle-incremental game actually lol, Undefeated Spider is a good game 0kay..
Ngl the best solution to balancing with costs like this could just be done automatically. Just measure how often a piece is used vs how often it wins games and adjust the cost accordingly. Eventually, assuming a negative feedback loop forms, a decent equilibrium should occur. As long as the interval between balances is correct anything overpowered will get nerfed fairly quickly and the player base will adjust accordingly.
So for example if there's a disproportionate number of wizard+ winning games then the cost jumps to 15. If queens disappear from high level play they drop down 1 cost.
unfortunately the idea sounds good (and overall more devs should probably do it, since there are SO many devs including this one that leave pieces underpowered forever) but there's actually tons of caveats to statistics based balance, like combos, bad players, and pocket-meta participation just to only name a few (like if bad players are attracted to a unit it goes down, if a good player likes a unit personally even if it's totally balanced they will basically get punished for winning with it, highly popular units have more mirror matches that push winrate closer to 50%). also there are a few units that are value/cost specific like lifestone
@@IcelysUnnecessary2ndChan-gv1bq with a large enough player base those caveats can easily be integrated into the function smoothly. Pieces that require a fixed cost they can just be used as a benchmark. Rarely used pieces by pros that have a disproportionately high win rate simply won’t have a large enough user base to be changed by a function. Pocket metas typically form around elo ranges which can easily be a parameter considered. And frequent mirror matches will inevitably have super high use rates that will result in them being adjusted.
Of course it won’t be perfect because there’s always an element of problems solving to balance changes that a program will fail to address.
And pieces like minions will probably always be an issue because going from 0 cost to 1 cost is a colossal change lol.
You should play the rubik's cube chess by carykh
Chess workshop is crazy bruh
Pov: this video makes your 2nd channel grow
cheese cattle advancing
Quick question: does this game still get updated? You mentioned the dev is still active, but steam seemed to show that the last update was 3 years ago. Also you saying old old cba suggests that cba does actually exist, and that ceo was just the prequel
yes the last update was in 2021, the spaghetti monster is active if you bother it on steam with questions and posts teasers in places no player is going to find
Chess Actually Balanced
I like the game and that it has more progression but I won't play it because of the treadmill mechanics
Calling a person "spaghetti monster" is my new favorite thing.
why does this channel exist
this video would've worked fine on main
chess battle advanced
also so it cannot be sniped by xenolith
How can we know that you are the real icely?
Skinner Battle Advanced
If this is OOCBA, which games are OCBA amd CBA?
What did the developer do again?
Is there a doc where i can read it?
Is your pfp some kind of piece from chess battle advanced??
the original cba
Ninja is just King + Spearman.
Hm, I should play this Chess Hell.
This makes me feel like I should try making my own simultaneously less shitty and more shitty version.
wasn't this the origin of CBA that was made because CBA's dev thought that it was very pay to win
Icly puzles has a new channel?
woah icely has a twin that sounds exactly like him and has a channel that pretends to be his unnecessary second channel??????
is that a channel dedicated only to chess battle advanced? also why lime
I wanna watch you play this unfortunately for both of us
You know i left the game for good. I was at 3000 elo and returning to the game was SO harsh, everyone was way better than me, and all the players i've played against were veterans who've played this game way longer than i ever will. I left for the reason that i'm outmatched and there was no point.
Chess Battle Advanced is also such a stupid joke. Like how can you say that ur making a game to then just abandon it because the dev got bored?
This game is so good, but it has so many issues that i just couldn't enjoy the game anymore.
creating builds advanced
15:46 "Pay 1 Morale" 16:12 "For free" Literally unwatchable
chess... battle... advanced?
Evolved Battle Advanced
Chess Battle Evolved
CBA But Ancient
Icely seCond Battle Advanced
channel become appear on my homepage?
I feel like this game could be a brilliant commentary on the problems of modern game design by adding unnecessary bloat and skinner box mechanics to one of the most elegant games in existence. I would genuinely assume it's a troll if the creator wasn't addicted to scam games. Heck, I don't even think he's all that wrong about TikTok and CZcams trying to manipulate and radicalize people, but then these types of games are all about psychological manipulation.
I remember playing this back in 2018 and being terrible
I liked opening the loot chests though
Chess Fite Next
Yeah this will be a none hit.
chess battle advanced battle advanced
Who is icely
WDYM NO EN PEASANT!!!???
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