20-year "Chalkgate" feud between Stephen Maguire and Shaun Murphy EXPLAINED 🎱
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- What 𝙞𝙨 "Chalkgate"? And why did it lead to a 20-year feud between Stephen Maguire and Shaun Murphy?
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‘explained’ is a bit of an overstatement
Need Slash if you want stuff explaining
I still don't know what chalkgate means.
Im none the frikkin wiser@@TheRocco96
😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
At the time, Steve Davis described it as the 'saddest act of sportsmanship' that he had ever witnessed, that to me says it all
I didn't understand explanation, could you explain please what happened
@@natsudragnir4131 Stephen forgot his chalk, Shaun at the very least didn't insist to give time to Stephen to get it and thus he got docked a frame for time wasting.
@@natsudragnir4131 Murphy said to the referee "Is he not ready to play"? Strictly speaking he wasn't therefore he was docked a frame
Still killing the dude for a mistake he made 20 years ago! He shouldn't have accepted the frame he knows that and he hasn't done it since
@@richuk69 still denies it, even though everyone knows the truth.
as rod stewart once said 'i dont want to chalk about it'
Very good 😅😅😅
Maguire should have walked back in and sung, à la Stewart, "Do ya think I'm chalky?"
@@Jojikiba Not the best
brilliant
Talk, not chalk.....made a fool of yourself there.
Good to hear Alans angle on this situation....
He’s great mates with Stephen
Ba boom
Ba doom bum tshh
I see what you did there
Sounds like an Partridge idea, Alan's Angles.
As I occasionally remind myself- overly nice guys are a little less so and the pantomime villain is less villainous too
Without knowing all sides of the story, this is my gut feeling as well.
Always beware the nice guys and gals. There's always "another" side to them.
@@Essydyk Apart from Jesus of course!😮
Oh and FREEEEEEEE PALISTINE!
@deputyvanhalen6386 I don't know about that, he was scuttling that prostitute for ages
@@Essydyk Yes. I've always said that. People that are 'overly nice' are hiding something.
Alan has a short memory. He accepted Tony Drago's frame and match concession in the German Masters after a missing a pink. Drago then tried to withdraw the concession but McManus wouldn't let him.
that's not nice but it's also not a forgotten chalk
He shook hands and conceded. What do you expect McManus to do?
I made this point as well but in that case, McManus was cold and didn't wish to jeer himself up for what would have been a simple shot at the best of times but hard when you know you should not have to play it as the match was over.
@@jabronni16 when you concede at snooker its game over that is part of the rules
@@stevieM-hv1id I think you meant to address the OP. That's what I meant in my note.
Somewhere there is actually footage of it. A best of type montage for that year, you can see him say to the ref ‘he’s supposed to be ready to play’
Yes, I remember seeing a clip somewhere. I thought he said, “You have to award me the frame” at some point too.
@@davesouthword1298 Any idea where to find it? I'm searching the web but not having any luck
You are right! Snooker Grand Prix Top 25 moments. I do not not know how to share the link, but it's right at the start of the clip!
And Maquire won the match 5-2!
@@faceman1477 It's not difficult... czcams.com/video/wZKFTi3aOsg/video.html
Mcmanus accepted dragos early handshake when he thought the frame was over... Then drago realized his mistake and hit himself repeatedly. Mcmanus telling fibs here that he would have done that.
that is 100% spot on, he's forgot about that one, (funnily enough)....
Murphy has all the "qualities" of a politician
Well he does look like David Cameron.
He’s a c
I agree,a company man. But a brilliantly talented player. It's like he gives up being the best player he could be for being an average administrator
Shaun "The Politican" Murphy has a ring to it
He's the self styled World Snooker Ambassador
There’s a reason why Shaun Murphy is despised by most pros. The school snitch
I'm sure the rest of the BBC commentary team don't like him either!.
In the grand scheme of things I don't think it really matters. I mean it doesn't seem to have any effect of Ronnie O'Sullivan who is the very definition of an oddball.
Most players don't like Ronnie either, it doesn't matter.
@@TC2290-wh5cb That is very different. Ronnie is universally respected.
Ronnie is the kind of guy who just wants to be left alone and do his thing, which is why he comes off as weird and even arrogant. He doesn't really care what others think about him.
Shaun on the other hand desperately wants recognition. He does care what others think about him, which ironically makes him behave in a way that hardly anyone really likes him.
@@highwaytohelles4561 Either way, pros don't like either of them.
Id love it if Maguire turned to Murphy in this World Champioship game 2024 today and said to him..."oh no i forgot my chalk in my room!"😮😮😮😮😮
Ask Tony if you'd forfeit a frame Alan...
Yea, that's rich coming from Alan.
Completely different scenario. Tony conceded the frame.
@@Correction294right but the referee tuned to Alan considering a reversal. Shattttapppp.
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@@anthonyj777 thats poor coming from you a w-nker on YT so eo
Maguire won that match & has a great record against Murphy because of that incident.
He seems to play well when angry!
Funnily enough Tom Ford forgot his chalk today, someone just went and got it for him and Judd just laughed
And who was on the other table?
Shaun Murphy and Stephen Maguire.
LOL
Unbelievable how some things go full rotation. What are the chances of that
Bill Werbeniuk also forgot his in his 1985 WC match with Joe Johnson at the start of the 2nd session. Johnson was about to break off and Bill realised he had no chalk. They waited until some was brought out and then started the game.
It was no coincidence. Tom did that on purpose knowing Shaun and Stephen playing on the other side😅😅 Tom is a good and funny lad. You see when he self snooked himself and gave the thumbs 👍 😂
@@itsgettingdark1134 literally a billion to one
Nice one Alan..
Playing in a town team match years ago, my opponent mid frame took himself off to the toilet whilst I was at the table, when it was his visit the ref looked round and said where is he....when someone told him he had gone to the toilet the ref swiftly picked up the white ball and said frame to me....he should have asked me.
He could have warned him not to do it again, that was severe
You did the similar thing against Tony Drago, Alan...
true
Lol
Was just about to say that. It's on CZcams for anyone to watch
“Similar” is stretching it just a bit!
@@iain8837 same principle. He could have looked at Drago's error and said let's carry on. Ref asked him was he happy to accept the concession even though Drago clearly stated it was in error as he thought he couldn't win, and he accepted. It's not very different and it's the same basic principle of taking a frame that he didn't really have to.
Is the same Alan McManus who accepted Tony Drago's ludicrous concession when he could have easily reversed it? I think Alan speaketh with forked tongue.
Ooooooo how did I forget about that!
Tell us more?
Tony concedes and doesn’t notice there’s still enough points on the table to win the frame. The ref tells Tony and then he looks at Alan and he says nothing and accepts Tony conceding. Tony then slaps his own face a few times in frustration . Think it might have been a qualifier for the German masters ?
Tony was acting deranged. Alan was right to not continue for his own safety.
@@VoiceOfThe there's a video on here, search for "Tony Drago goes mad. German Masters Q v Alan McManus" and watch from 4m 40s
mcmanus took or was "complicit" in taking a frame from tony drago that seemed unfair and i i thought was out of order when i watched it at the time . do not remember exact match but quite similar to what he's giving an opinion on
‘Both referenced it this week’
When?
What have they both said about it?
Wow wow. Great video 👏👏
But, what happened..
Murphy always reminds me of beaker from the muppet show
Hahahahaaaa
Is there no footage?
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Alan McManus do you remember when Drago conceded the frame between you too not giving the scoreboard a good look, and turned to you looking for a reversal? Mr Righteous ok🤣🤣. We still love you Alan.
He went around the angles with that
Why is there no footage of this “Chalkgate” on CZcams or anywhere else? You’d think they’d post the video so we can all see it.
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Start of the video
Things do happen, the Ref calls foul and the player at the table sometimes asks the other player, who is seated, to give his say but the point is the Ref makes the decisions - not the players.
Can someone explain to me what the situation is? Don’t understand it.
Maguire forgot his chalk and had to go backstage for it , the match was therefore late and maguire was docked a frame. The controversy is that Murphy asked the referee to dock the frame , the ref did it, I guess it was letter of the law , which Shaun pointed out and accepted the frame
Probably worth mentioning that Shaun does now deny he asked for the frame, maguire says he knows and Shaun knows he did
"EXPLAINED" wasn't particularly accurate :) Stephen forgot his chalk, left to collect it, and was then penalised a frame for starting the match late. Stephen believes Shaun asked the ref to penalise him, Shaun doesn't admit to that.
@@simonlacey9208 piss off Simon
Watch the video you muppet.
and Shaun Murphy wonders why people do not like him...
I like Sean Murphy, like millions of others
@@Gaeton_Dugas We all know that's you, Shaun. :)
This is the 1st I’ve ever heard this story and it hasn’t changed my mind about Shaun 1 bit….I still can’t stand him
Never liked him one bit even before chalk gate
@@davidmarchant9386 He's always come across a bit smug hasn't he
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Thing is though it doesn't matter what Shawn said. The ref is the one that makes the decision.
If I remember correctly, Shaun asked for some form of punishment.
That's how I remember it too
Yep he did and it don't surprise me in the slightest
Indeed
Proper jobsworth
Lol I was thinking about chalk yesterday - anyone else noticed the total absence of "kicks" that were blamed on chalk?
Because of thew new chalk that's been coming through, the circle chalk (cant remember the name) almost completely stops kicks but its extremely expensive for the the average club player (like 20 quid for one piece of chalk)
Alan, you refused to give Tony Drago the benefit of the doubt in an important qualifier match where he made an error which the ref asked if you’d not allow , to which you sneakily said “aye” in an ambiguous way to make it sound like you were being kind but actually showing no mercy to Tony
That's not true though. You're just assuming.
@@mmaphilosophy I watched it
@@mmaphilosophyit's 100% true. It was filmed, easy to find.
Alan Dickmanus
@@paninipanini that's right and tony drago went mad and started punching himself in the head.
Professionals bring what they need before starting play. If A Formula 1 driver drives to the starting line and forgot his helmet can he just park and go get it? Could he have asked Murphy if he would allow him to go get the chalk? If Shaun said no then Stephen could ask to borrow Shaun's until he gets his own. Can the ref allow Stephen the time necessary to get the chalk?
A helmet is hard to miss or forget lol. A piece of chalk is the last thing a player is worrying over. I guess your are the almighty and never done anything wrong or forget something.
stephen asked the ref and the ref gave him all clear to go and fetch it
Shaun tells the story of this on his podcast that came out yesterday. he said it was Mike Ganley who docked Maguire a frame - not him or the referee. He asked the referee about the rules when Maguire left to retrieve his chalk he says but says he did not request that Maguire was docked a frame.
Where is the podcast ?
Like Alan said though he could of break off and conceded the following frame best of 7
@@thesaint5619or Maguire could remember his chalk or play a frame without it.
@@gordoncockfield it's impossible to play a frame without chalk at Pro level
@@thesaint5619 no it's not. You'd miscue all over the place but you can do it.
Didn't understand anything. What happened?
Also lits not forget that Murphy was the only player who voted against freezing Paul hunters ranking points after he passed away
WHAT !!
There's no evidence of that.
Shaun Murphy is not a nice guy don't be fooled by his "nicey nice" attitude in front of the camera he showed his True Colour when he bashed that amateur for beating him a few years ago
Free Ball Question: Happen for first time of 40 years playing snooker last night. I have a free ball. Blue, pink and black left. I was snookered on the blue behind the pink. I tried to get a better snooker behind the black but made a mess of the attempt and unintentionally snookered my opponent behind the pink (object of my free ball). Is this now an illegal shot and foul by me, even though I layed an unintentional snooker behind the ball I chose as my free ball. Neither me or my oponent have had this before so were not sure how to proceed. I suggested a replacement of the balls (like miss rule) but my opponent agreed as the snooker layed was unintentional we should continue with him attempting to get out of the snooker he was now faced with. He failed in this attempt and I then potted blue to secure the frame (and pink and black). This was a friendly with my uncle, not a league match. Any refs out there know this rule? TIA.
in this case, you lose the game unfortunately
@@eduardciuca217 can you expand on that please. We decided together and agreed on a way forward as this had never happened before. It was only a friendly game anyway nothing riding on it 😊
@@colinmitchell6872 only joking mate !
But the situation is rare indeed...idk what rule we can apply....
@@eduardciuca217 went right over my head that one 😂
Thats the most Shaun Murphy thing ive ever heard 🤣
Apart from his walk on music
I'm just as confused as I was before I watched this video.
I think "complicit" is maybe too harsh a word for it. Arguably he should have told the referee not to do it. But all the ref did was presumably apply a rule. And a pretty stupid one at that. And Shaun just deferred to the refs opinion.
I am a neutral fan from Asia. It seemed to me that the referee played a crucial role in this accident. He should have thought about the decision and turned it around if it was not made by him. For me, forgetting to bring chalk was not a clear act of not ready for game. Snooker is a sport with emphasis on sportsmanship, so asking for the rule of game seemed making a fuss to me. Stephen had the right to be furious.
I didn’t like it at the time, and it coloured my opinion of Shaun for a good while, but it’s his job and that’s the rule. Even if he is asking, and I think he did from hazy memory of seeing a clip, he wins a frame which might help win a match - ranking points, money, TV time. It’s his livelihood.
I know snooker is held to a higher standard, but footballers try to cheat by diving and that malarkey all the time, which is far worse, Stephen wasn’t cheating.
I won't be surprised is Mr Murphy ends up as a successful politician after snooker.
First I had heard of it.
I still don’t understand what happened 😂
Maybe Shaun was right!! They’re supposed to be professionals
So can someone explain is "idiot" terms because I'm a bit unknowledge when it comes to snooker rules in the high ranking events..
Are they saying Sean murphy is basically being a bit unsportsmanlike or unfair for basically being awarded a frame because Stephen Maguire needed to go get some chalk?
Do you have concede a frame if you leave the table once arrived?
I'm not normally this thick, i promise 😔😔
You took an easy concession from Drago who was confused at what he had done. Used to like Mcmanus
Aerosmith had a song about this "Chalk This Way"
😂😂
You should be in prison
Well that explains everything 😬
I actually thought Murphy was a decent guy and i like him as a pundit,but i personally would honestly rather lose a match than do what Murphy did to Maguire.
Remember this episode, wouldn't piss over Murphy if he was on fire after this
That was an explanation? I knew more about what happened before watching this video.
lol
All shaun has to do to end this is at the start of a match vs maguire leave his chalk behind then they are square
i have been watching snooker for almost 40 years and am totally befuddled by Alan's 'explanation'. Started off with something about chalk - and then just got lost. Can someone explain? Even Jimmy White looked confused.
if he had of broken off and then immediately conceded then im pretty sure that would be deemed 'unsporting behaviour' and Murphy would then be penalised
or not
That’s cleared that up then.
Sorted 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
If anyone, s a stickler for the rules its Murphy ,,,😅
Although Alan McManus should have reversed the concession, it is highly likely that he would have potted the blue if he had carried on. Not as egregious as what Shaun Murphy did.
This has been debated for over 20 years....but no one ever bother asking the ref what happened. Murphy's personality makes it hard to believe him in this scenario.
the ref passed away years ago
Who's hard to believe, Murphy or McManus? I'll be honest, as well as Murphy comes across, he has an air of sanctimony about him that rubs me up the wrong way and I can well believe his character isn't as pristine as he likes to portray.
@@shaggyalonsoAgreed. When asked who I want to win a match I reply ABM, Anyone But Murphy.
@@darrenwilliams118 first class comedy there, boy. You're mum enjoys ABM too (anus before mouth)
@@shaggyalonso That's Shaun's whole deal. He rubs everyone the wrong way. At one point in his life, he was ostracised by BOTH his parents. Imagine being so dislikable that your own parents won't speak to you for a few years. Oh, and his dad was on the world snooker board, so he even had the 'son of the boss' thing going on for a while, making him even less popular.
Anybody remember Chalk McCue the Scottish player from the early 80s?
Was he related to Angus mcoatup?
Im board with all this talk of Chalk😅.
@Stay away from anyone with a hammer and nails, then
‘Complicit’ is a bit strong.
Surely if the rules allow the referee to award a frame to your opponent if you arrive at the match without a chalk, its Stephen Maguire's fault. It's not Shaun Murphy's fault for wanting the rule to be enforced.
Personally, it seems a very harsh rule but if that's the rule that's the rule.
Need Steven Hendry to ask him on his show
Not very believable that Alan would concede a frame after the Tony Drago situation
Where does Alan McManus get the gall. I remember he once accepted a frame from Tony Drago when Drago conceded by mistake and the referee gave him the opportunity to let Drago carry on Drago said it would be unfair on McManus to rescind now they had already shook hands. The referee gave Alan the chance to let Drago rescind and Alan went know I'm happy to accept the concession. Oh and it wasn't the first frame it was the last. Yet here he says he would have given up a frame. This guy gets my goat
Just read the comments glad to see other people remember this guys hypocrisy
Mr Tumble
I understood 23% of it.
I still don’t understand
Omg waaa... You can't be serious! 😮😮😮😮
McManus easily the best snooker pundit on TV at present. He very rarely misses the mark.
Some might say he is wasted on Eurosport but others would likely argue that is the reason they tune in to their coverage.
Funnily enough I think Murphy is probably the next best pundit in the game and will likely be front ant centre of any upcoming BBC coverage moving forward. He will be their golden boy once he retires.
**Neil Foulds entered the chat**
Maybe he's a decent pundit, haven't decided my opinion there, but I hate him in comms. Talks too much. May learn to calm that down with experience. Here's hoping.
God I hope not 😢
If you want to see how self-righteous Alan McManus is, look up the video where he plays Tony Drago who accidentally conceded the match and Alan accepts the concession.
Also hilarious video because Tony Drago slaps himself silly
Murphy is the sort of bloke who would claim.the match if you wee a minute late in the local snooker league
Maybe they should chalk about it. 😂😂
Should just chalk it off as a bad experience
I bet everyone gets a 'kick' out of talking about it.
@@slippyg right on cue slippy. That's not a bad tip! 🤣
@@harrys1505 give it a rest - you'll have to 'leave the table' too many pundits here!
The lads would balk at the notion of just talking the situation out...... I'll get me coat.
Snidey thing to do. Bad sportsmanship. For a 15 second delay to get chalk?!
Murphy chalks this one up to inexperience
He said to the Ref. Who's he trying to fool.
Terrible explanation. I still don’t know what happened
Sideshow Bob presenting Snooker. Now I've seen everything.
and thats far from the worst thing shauns done, looking back on his personal life..
I'm a bit surprised by how people disliked the way Shaun reacted to the incident. I'll assume Shaun only complained about the delay in play caused by forgetting the chalk and him not suggesting any punishment for Maguire first.
I find it ok to complain, because it kept Shaun waiting in his seat, even though probably not for long, but it did waste his time. Ronnie Osullivan could have complained in that situation given how high demanding to everything during a match.
And just because Maguire was docked a frame, Shaun needs to show sportsmanship by forfeiting a frame? Come on, it's not shaun's fault. Im sure many other atheletes in individual sports would take advantage of any mistakes caused by referee/umpire. you can praise Shaun for showing good sportsmanship for forfeiting a frame, but he's got no responsibility whatsoever to take care of consequences given to his opponent. Why not took full advantage of that, just like Alan the Angle did to Tony Drago?
Not in snooker. its a gentlemans game . players always call out themselves if they commit the slightest of fouls on the table. This incident is off the table and very ungentlemanly.
Always new something off about Murphy
If I am a professional player trying to make a living, I am having that frame thank you very much and would be hiding other players chalk continuously!
Seems crazy that you lose/forfeit a frame just for forgetting your chalk.
Alan is entirely right. That’s what Murphy should’ve done. He needs to understand that not doing so is why people view this instance so poorly.
He doesn't seem to bother the words people use for him
Murphy has done and said so many despicable things, but walks around with such hubris.
Yes Alan, i'm not defending Murphy here but do you remember this? czcams.com/video/EpNb2v8R8uo/video.html
You was quite happy to take that concession....
In other words Mr Tumble a Prat 😂
Murphy wasn't bullied enough
Murphy is all that is bad with the British nobility. A true Englishman with all their quirks.
Born in Dublin and lives there now I believe.
He should be locked up and never released. Monster.
Shaun was just being Shaun no Biggy just sticking too rules
Murphy is everything wrong with the British people. A true Englishman.
People tend to miss the point on this topic. The issue isn't just what Shaun did, but that he has - to this day - denied that he did it. Despite his words to the ref being captured on film and shown as part of an apparently lost highlight reel, back at the time.
There's always someone in every workplace who acts all sactimonious and arrogant, whilst simultaneously doing saying and terrible things to everyone else. Shaun's simply snooker's designated bellend.
my god shaun........ thats really lowered what i thought about you..
You must be the last person who ever thought high of that snobbish school bully
Stephen went to get chalk, and then Shaun accepted a frame? What a horrible explanation
shaun murphy played an exibition at our local social club a few years back threaned in ' bring the boys' round if he wasent paid in cash on the night , which wasent in the contract, he was shown the door and told if he didnt walk out he would be picked up and chucked through it
Must have had a lot of staff for that threat to be realised.
@@paulmallon9292 eh?
Cool story
@@GM-pj8kd cool but true, the bloke is an idiot. he left when he realised he was out of his depth. we have some people in our little club that dont take kindly to being threatened. and they can back it up
@@cocoomalov3r Shaun's a big lad, i.e. it would take a lot of people to throw him out
I never knew this. Isnt murohy quite religious? Youd think hed forgive and let this slide rather than hold a grudge?