PSA Has SPOKEN About KURTS CARD CARE - As Do I - Time to Drop the HAMMER on You CARD DOCS
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- čas přidán 8. 09. 2024
- It is time to call out all the shady shi* happening in the hobby as it relates to cards, doctoring, and it's acceptance. Hammer is getting dropped. Consequences be damned
To the 5 people who downvoted this, don't be shy, make your appearance known in the comment section. Trickle in and speak up...
Love seeing you card waxing cleaners speak up and outing yourselves. Keep em coming!
Man the children are in chat today lol. Watched the video while typing out my comment then started to scroll the comments & it hurt my optimism for the outlook of the hobby even more. Jeebus it's obnoxious, maybe it's those pushing this fraud message trying to silence those speaking against it... Seem like the types to be Hypebeast Supremes & know where to buy bots or rent opinions? Anyways, I'm just hoping these illogic & irrational opinions I read (only got thru a few before feeling need to comment again) aren't the real collectors who participate in the hobby regularly. Since I've started selling on eBay back in June it wouldn't surprise me if it was the Whatnot, Backdoor Breaks, StarStock, Sneakers, Lorcana hocking crowd though tbh bc you just ya run across them way too often..... & my Block list gets longer & longer lol. Stay sane in this mad world
It's kind of disgusting isn't it. I get it, I was pretty abrasive and people who are involved in this are going to have a negative visceral reaction, but the sheer number of people okay with the wax juice...just SMH. They will do anything for money. Disgusting people
@@TylerShortthe only people I see defending it are the noobs who jumped in during covid trying to make a quick buck.
Name who your talking about
Dude went from Kurt's Card Care to Ozempic to telling us how he went to grad school
it was a wild ride!
Meanwhile how much kurts have you been buying? Wax away!?
I am a Cialis raw card type of guy
At least you picked the right PDE5 inhibitor. Raw dawg all the way
That open video, the guy is a fraud. It's simple, PSA says no so despite what they do with coins, art and comics has zero to do with the approach for sports cards.
Wipe a fingerprint is not the same as alteration.
The crap that he sells is at your local auto parts store and soaking cards is old news. Been going on for decades! They use distilled water. Low life's! Love that, preach on my friend, it's that time of the year and good times ahead. Girl Scout cookies are finally here, thin mints stocked in the freezer, opening day a few weeks away and the National countdown is getting smaller and smaller. Better days ahead ✌🏽⚾️🇺🇸
So my understanding is PSA specifically declared that any foreign substance will not be tolerated. You've said yourself that you spit on cards and wipe them to clean them. Will you reconsider this process now that PSA has declared this to be altering the card?
it is his card in a ideal world hed disclose hed spit shined his cards or if i ask hed have to tell me if i did a chem test to see if he actually did spit shine the cards either way you are being flippant about a solution that KCC made that you have NO idea what it will do to your or others cards
@vendora1 flippant? No I'm asking a question about a practice that PSA has clearly stated to be altering the card. You have no idea what spit will do to a card long term and PSA clearly stated that any foreign substance detected will deemed to have been altering the card. You can't pick and choose what you think is acceptable if PSA clearly states it isn't acceptable
its why i said it would be a good idea to disclose it asked or not try reading the ENTIRE comment@@His.Wickedness thus why i said use a chem test on the card to see if it was spit shined or not sides youre missing the point PSA does not care about it when its card like wemby 1/1 cuz they want the clout of it being in a psa slab dude shouted out KCC on a vid thats why PSA is a scummy ass company they always were are and have been
Word!👍
Restoration and conservation have been accpeted practices in the art world for hundreds of years, why would it be any different in the world of sports collectibles?
So if I have two cards, a clean Wemby base prizm and a second one that I decide to rip in half and crumble the two pieces in my hand...let's say hypothetically, it is possible to "restore" the crumbled/ripped in half Wemby to perfect condition and both cards grade a 10. Which one would you choose, and would you want to know that your perfect 10 had been through so much trauma.
And to the point I made in the video, your base Donruss Optic Trevor Lawrence isn't fkn art.
I just get a piece of toilet paper and dab it in water to get the shit off.
@@TylerShort Two key points to consider, altering VS restoration.
Altering (in any genre of collecting) refers to the addition, or subtraction of material from the collectible item. Altering devalues the collectible item, bc it is no longer in what is accepted to be its original state. Altered items have been manipulated in some fashion to make the item appear to be better (or, in the example you gave, worse) than their original state.
Altering is bad, no matter which genre of collecting you subscribe to.
@@TylerShort Restoration/conservation is different.
Its approach is to give the collectible item the best possible presentation it can have, without physically altering it in any way. When doing restoration/conservation, there's always a risk of damage. Damage is an unintentional alteration. If damage occurs, that collectible item should be noted as having been altered unintentionally.
Restoration/conservation is generally good, as long as certain guidelines are followed, and no altering takes place.
@@TylerShort In our hobby, card cleaning can go in either direction. There are those who 100% care about the collectible item and use restoration/conservation methods correctly to ensure the item's presentation and longevity. On the flip side, there are those who use it in an attempt to intentionally alter cards, in bad faith, to fool other collectors for profitability reasons. This latter group is exactly the people you described in your video, and IMO they should be banned from participating in the hobby.
No argument with you on the T-Law and other mass-produced modern card abominations.
What is 401k? Is that the solution I should be soaking my cards in? Like WD40?
Just watch the sports card investor i'm sure he has great ideas for you HAHAHA
Non-issue for me. Would much rather see better quality product from Panini and Topps.
Never happen so long as the gamblers keep buying the garbage they put out
No disagreement. Yet, gambling is pervasive throughout the hobby. If that’s the issue, then let’s focus on that issue; the gambling aspect that keeps product quality low.
Curt’s Card Care viz a viz PSA is so far down the list of issues, it’s a non issue, for me.
Good Afternoon,
Judging from your answer I gather that, of course your answer would be yes , if I OPENLY volunteered to you that the card that I just sold to has WILLFULLY been cleaned with a solution. You would have no problem in purchasing this card. @@te2edgesportscards177
Exactly
Wow I wasn’t aware of Kurt’s card care. Thanks for pointing me to that product. Definitely gonna purchase.
While your at it go buy a beltsander from home depot. Heard you can turn chrome bass into sandfoilfractors
😂😂cool. Enjoy getting your cards rejected for grading.
@@johnwayne9828you realize they cant tell if you use wax or not, right?!
They say they do not approve, but then gave a shoutout to Kurt Kards
Good Afternoon,
If you are referring to the video, it wasn't PSA who shouted out Kurt's.
Been a collector for 43 years and seller for 35 and you are spot on. I don't even recognize this hobby for so many reasons. The sad thing is education and a boring lecture isn't popular witu this lazy generation today. Mojo will talk about cards he bought in his next video and will get 20x the views that this honest and informative video will and that is the true crime here.
lol this was one wild turn after another.
AI grading technology like TAG will restore integrity and prevent human error or deception. Another great thing is it recognizes every card as unique like a fingerprint. So no need to crack and resubmit to try to get a better grade. Thats huge.There was a guy who submitted a PSA 6 to tag and it came back a 9. These graders are human and obviously mislabeled this man's card. PSA has officially been put on notice. If they dont switch to AI grading technology it will speak volumes about their integrity.
But thats a big part of the whole hobby! I want to send in a card with a minor scratch and hope for that 10😅
Or resub a 9 and hope for a 10 next time... Thats what makes it fun in the end! I dont know much people who wants their cards to be AI graded... Just takes away the fun tbh🤷♂️
Peace ✌️
I agree these cards are now altered whether it's being shined on with wax, being trimmed, or being doctored. The most i have done was wipe them down with a dry cloth and that's it. Sometimes i don't even wipe them, they just go in a penny sleeve. But this is what happens when a hobby has turned all about money. All ethics has now went out the window, PSA needs to get this right, they are gonna devalue their grading system if these two Wemby cards keep those grades, they now should be labeled altered.
what ethics? its a unregulated market i been saying for years we need universal standards and regulation ie gambling/accreditation/guidelines (such as not using KCC or other cleaning services) and provenance /divulgence of what was done to card
@@vendora1 Then we have to wonder why aren't there anybody to make things right in this so called ''hobby'' because it's really more about money nowadays. The folks at the top of the food chain should answer these questions.
Found your channel today, love it. Best content I've had the pleasure of watching in sometime.
Thank you for the kind words sir. Welcome aboard I am glad to have you here!
These cards have been added to the Altered Card Database of almost 8k cards.
I bet this guy is fun at parties
Your mom loves me. Been waxing her vag with Kurts finest wax
My point proven 😅 you wittle feewings huwrt?
You rubbing yourself down with that wax while you throw money at group breaks and only fans chickas? How’s that ozempic treating yah big boi
@@TylerShort be you’re fun at parties 😅
It is card alteration and if the Grading cannot pick this up, why do the people not talk more about it. It is all about money and until people stand up and say enough it will keep going on. If wax is put on the card or if a corner or edge is rebuilt it is altering cards.
100% spot on rev. This IS alteration. And nobody wants to talk about it because the people want to keep this crap hush hush. I was literally blown away at Burbank with how out in the open this BS was. I think it just finally hit me after seeing the Wemby scandal
@@TylerShort the biggest egg on their face people is PSA. The guy literally plugged Kurt Kard in their office. That alone proves they are not able to pick up this stuff. Talk about giving PSA the finger moment in their own office, but they do not care since they were paid $8K to grade the card.
@@TylerShort as you know, I was in big Pharma and likely many had no clue what you were talking about when you said Ozempic. Lol
let...it...go
Let it goooo, let it goooooooooo. Great childrens song
sports card radio, SCV and now you are the only channels telling it like it is.
And that's a damn shame. Just shows how pathetic this community has become post covid
AIH has been. Rattle Pokemon in the TCG world
Why the shock at what’s happening in this industry? Classic scenario where one side (i.e., the grading companies) have unilateral control of grading and the resulting valuation of cards. What’s really ridiculous is the ability to grade a card with impunity, no reasons provided, and then on top, drive a market that pays x for a 10, and exponentially less for anything below that. When the model unfairly favors one party, bad behavior is inevitable because it’s about money at the end of the day (not those that are collectors for collecting sake only). If you’re going to set the market pricing and tell everyone that the majority of their cards are worthless, then expect the expected. I don’t mind the strict grading at 10 and keeping that category for the best of the best, but let’s lighten up a bit on the value of 8’s and 9’s and give collectors and investors the chance to do business at these levels. All live happily ever after…
There's no difference in doing this and washing your car before you sell it...
There is a HUGE difference between washing your car before you sell it and physically removing card stock by using solvents and abrasive force.
I’ve seen the car argument come up a lot and it’s like comparing apples to oranges. Cars don’t get sent to grading companies and get a numerical 1-10 grade based on the condition…
And they also have disclosure called a car fax
The conservation bros are so confident in their takes which is ironic because they are so wrong. Adding chemicals and wax is altering, PSA not detecting it is like doing 60 in a 25 mph and not getting pulled over-people are getting away with it.
I’ve been saying for years that the GemMint grade has ruined the hobby. The fact that the perception of modern cars is PSA 10 or bust is a prime example why this nonsense goes on. Most of us can’t tell the difference between a PSA 9 or 10 yet the 10 sells for so much more? Buying a PSA 10 is probably the biggest scam in the hobby. If they just graded most modern cards as Mint, then it eliminate people cleaning their cards.
Since is was posted by Ryan Hoge, is it really coming from PSA? It's curious to me that this wasn't posted on the PSA X account.
Great video. I collected in the 90's and stopped. When I got back in 2022 and graded my first cards with PSA and it didn't go well. I found out about card altering, gave it a shot and sent a new batch to PSA with better results, but after really learning about the hobby I can buy better quality cards that get 10's without the altering. Latest batches of PSA I'm at 72% Gem rate!! ps I take Monjuro for type 2 not because im lazy but because i needed a reset lol.
Small channels need a larger collective voice. You are correct, we get no views. Barely any audience. Those channels that boomed during the pandemic are still dominating the market conversation, because CZcams pushes them.
I’m new to the hobby and really appreciate the depth here. But I still don’t understand the issue with cleaning cards. You yourself said “the quality of modern cards is crap… abysmal”. So if someone takes it upon themselves to remedy that poor quality, why is that a problem? I get cutting corners and truly trying to alter the card, but the cleaning aspect seems benign (to me).
If you give a step they will take a mile. Look at jersey relics now.... Even 5 years ago the worst would be Player Worn with rookie premiere but they seen it was accepted. Now what do they do? No specific game or event or even of that specific player now...if you search up Jersey tag for wrong player or take a newer cheap jersey relic & pull out the relic prob a 50% chance it'll have a completely different players on it. All that to say we as the consumers have to demand more or they will continue to give less & less. Also Disclosure won't occur when it happens & we don't know what effects on the cards these cleaning products will have in 10-15-30yrs.... Look at the issues with 1st Topps Chrome Greening after 8yrs or some new old stock bricking bc of gloss used. And that's from manufacturers not some random scammer just trying to rip off the hobby... These people who do it don't do it bc they love the card so much they do it bc of $$... This is where the USA is dieing, we've allowed it to become okay & worst yet FASHIONABLE to sell out & get yours at others expense. We need to hold Business accountable & put MORALS & ETHICS before profit margins & quarterly bonuses... THEY dont care about us THEY care about our $$
altering cards ultimately devalues ALL cards ie the market cuz then the grades given cant be trusted
I totally agree with you Topps and company shouldn't wax their cards.....I hate when they leave wax stains on my cards from packs I open. I also hate that all my cards are trimmed off centered by Topps, Panini , Upper Deck etc.... I don't understand why they use butter knives to cut the cards. Damn them and their constant altering to cards!!!
Beavis laugh (uhuhuhuhuhuhuhuhh)
Just came across your channel, I thought kurts was just to upgrade your card, I have been "cleaning my cards" for years, I just did it for the overall look! I get both sides, and your TLAW RC reference is so true, the old school way of finding raw and grading for a flip is still the best way! However, I do enjoy wiping and cleaning but to get the fingerprints off not to alter! good content!
Hey Tyler! I've been enjoying your channel for years now. Your take is spot on! I really respect your pov and collecting strategy. I'm 43 and also live in az and have been collecting since 89. Love MJ! Anyways thought I'd hit u up and let u know what your doing and have been doing on your channel is marvelous and I'm a fan! Peace!
I agree with you this is a problem. But here's a knowledge bomb, if we didn't pay stupid prices for graded cardboard would most people care to molest these cards? The answer is no, we have to be somewhat accountable for sending the message that a graded 10 card is so much more valuable than a lower numbered grade.
I don't disagree with this. Sadly, bringing awareness to the value increase in grading unfortunately attracts societies most disgusting humans to the hobby
Adding wax is altering to me. Sad state in sports card. How the hell will I be able to tell if it’s waxed or not….smh. Chemical detector will be necessary now. Lol
Ive watched a ton of your videos and have been a subscriber for awhile now so keep the videos coming. Love the passion for this subjuct for sure! I am not a fan of a lot of the video and comments or whatevee made by you in the video and a couple in the comment section. I too am a very long term collector so i get it. I was at a show yesterday that had at least 2 booths that I saw set up doing their thing to raw cards for grading. It actually made me feel dirty just seeing it in the wide open and advertising it like that! Again I feel your pain.
What’s the big deal really? Cleaning a card should be the last thing anyone should have an issue with. If a card has been damaged in some way, but there’s a way that damage can be repaired, then it should be repaired. If PSA has an issue with it, simply grade the card as normal, give the grade it deserves, and add to the label “repaired”. May affect the value some, but I doubt there would be a huge difference between a “PSA 10” and a
“PSA 10 Repaired”. If the end result is the same, the manner and materials someone chooses to clean, or restore a card with shouldn’t matter in any way whatsoever. If you use water to clean a card, and your neighbor uses furniture polish to clean his cards, and I use kerosene to clean my cards, what difference does any of that matter as long as the card is clean and not damaged? If a person is able to remove creases in a card by soaking it in water, what difference does it make as long as the creases were able to be repaired? PSA saw the just how huge the market is for these products, and now want to run these small businesses away, so that they can release their own line of cleaning kits licensed through PSA only
I'm a newbie and I appreciate the transparency in this video. Restoring cards is an alteration and we don't know the long term effects it will have on the card.
I’m a nurse practitioner in an ER of 15+ years. The amount of fat people we’ve had come in to our ER the last 2 years asking for Ozempic is unreal 😂 why workout in a gym when you can just have the easy button. #Merica
Weird angry ranting style… not a fan. First and last video. Calling people dumb, fat - not needed to get your point across. I collect and grade pokemon, so I’ll be objective. If PSA can’t detect it like with the Wemby than your rant is equivalent to an old man yelling at the clouds… it’s here to stay. If PSA starts grading these cards as altered and can detect it, the practice will die out. 30 second video right there.
PSA couldn't detect trimming until Nat took over with Genamint. Are you okay with trimmed cards during this era?
@@TylerShortas long as they can make a buck on it they dont give a shit.
I took a black magic 🪄✨ marker to my 1971 Nolan Ryan before I sold it back in 1996...I feel soooo dirty !!!
What was that 60 dollar card that sells for 300 PSA 10 that he showed at 16:29 ?
cleaning cards is fine.. its like wiping off a finger print…. its up to the grading compaines to grade the card… as submitters to graders we can do anything to the card prior to submission.. this topic is so stupid…. grading companies assign grades.. bottom line…… the slab and a grade is what it is and that is what we value.. the slab and grade… i hate these videos on cleaning cards….
How about we focus more on ebay sellers posting cards in mint condition and not showing flaws/damages on cards and trying to make a quick flip and not taking responsibility to be transparent and honest.....
Hey man, I'm with you 100%. There is a special place in purgatory for them as well haha
I am buying you a drink buddy once I meet you in person!!! Amen with your comments and view! The biggest voices in the hobby have the least REAL knowledge.
Haha much appreciated Duane. Dude it is embarrassing how sad this hobby has become on social media. Every single video is click bait click bait click bait. Fake deals for clicks. Not calling out anything because they all have to bend the knee to Rubin and Fanatics to get product. The predominant hobby voices are a joke. No balls, no integrity, weak pathetic men
@@TylerShort totally agree! I take solice knowing I am a collector at heart who also utilizes some knowledge to flip and pay for my PC guys ;-)
It’s a shame you didn’t leave critique to the subject at hand
Operation Bull pen 🖋️ was a classic fbi Sting...
Hey Tyler, I am a huge fan of yours. Watch every video. I cannot understand anyone who would use a secondary card cleaning business, nor can I understand how a business like this actually exists. The collector could simply do it themselves. I do personally clean most of my cards before sending to PSA. I personally have a hard time sending cards in at 19 bucks that I dont think have a good chance of gemming. So some of them need some clean up. Great Video!!
You have some big cajones speaking out against the “influencers,” but I love it man. I’m here for it and you’re spot on every point. It’s the get-rich-quick scheme. They’re just lazy. Doing the research is so easy, because there’s so much information out there. Who’s selling at the moment, gem rates, pop reports, quality of a set, etc. You don’t need a cleaning formula to get a better gem rate. Cheers!
I need a Brand new MLB Cleveland Indians hat for historical purposes...
Thanks for coming out and saying how you really feel on this topic Tyler. As you mention, the unfortunately reality of most "hobby" content on CZcams nowadays (or really most social media platforms) is people who joined in 2020/21 and have very little knowledge of the history of the hobby. They exhibit little to no concern for integrity as well. I don't care about PSA 10s of anything unless it's a PC player and that's the only card out there, or it's a $10 card lol. However, if I was buying PSA 10's i'd certainly want to know if it was touched by these card doctors since to me it would be tainted goods at that point.
PSA needs to update their no grade definitions and be very clear about what they deem altered when it comes to modern cards. This lawyer speak from Ryan Hoge is better than staying silent but it's not enough IMO.
How dare you improve the value, quality, and life span of your cards that are highly inflated in price by companies that have literal shit for quality control
😂😂😂nobody knows the longterm effects of these chemicals are gonna be on the cards. For example, I read about a guy who cleaned a spot on a card with solution, got a 10 grade, and now over a year later the mark has reappeared inside the psa 10 slab. Funny, the divide on this issue seems to boil down to new post covid "investors" who think it's ok because it makes them more money vs. those of us who have been in the hobby for decades and understand how shady the practice is. Not to mention how fucked pop reports have become thanks to you fools constantly cracking and resubmitting.
@@johnwayne9828 nobody knows the long term effects of using wax on something? lol shooshhhhhhhhhhh
@@wiggiag woooowwwww, you really showed me....
@@johnwayne9828 The constant cracking and resubmitting is an issue almost entirely connected to the inability of PSA, and others to a degree, to provide consistent grades. If PSA were able to grade things consistently and not have 7s and 8s get cracked and resubmitted for a 10, it wouldn't happen nearly as often. It's the inherent problem with a human grading cards. Why should someone just accept the 8 or 9 they received if they spent way more time evaluating the card than the hourly worker at PSA and know it meets the qualifications for a 10?
@@mc386106 I'm not defending psa, they're trash and have been for decades. Them being so popular is a fairly new thing driven by all the covid noobs. Before then, bgs was the most popular grader. And since you acknowledge psa is such trash, why do you and all these new people continue to throw money at them? Hell, they may grade low on purpose anticipating someone cracking and resubmitting. And to answer your question "why would you accept a 8 or 9 when you know it's a 10".....here's a better question....."why would you acknowledge they suck at grading only to crack the card you already paid them to grade and resubmit it to the people you acknowledge suck at grading?"
If you have a fingerprint on a card they can drop it thousands of dollars. Why not clean the card???
Love it great stuff man. I have been in for for sometime time now over 20 years other than when I was in college and late high school years. My son is 14 and I love enjoying the hobby with him. We enjoy sourcing cards and grading. We don’t do it to get rich, we do it because we enjoy it and for excitement of seeing what grades are and how good our eye is. We do mainly low end stuff and from packs we open. Take care
Well if there wasn’t so much value in grading, cleaning or altering cards wouldn’t be an issue. How far do we go? Is simply wiping down a card with a micro fiber cloth to remove dust and potential finger prints altering a card? Cause by definition it should be. I think we should just let hobbyists, investors, or collectors do as they please. If these grading companies don’t have the technology to 100% determine if a card as been altered then it shouldn’t matter. Cause whatever your preference is in the hobby dollar signs is what matters most for people.
Appreciate the quick patch rant. Can’t stand seeing a napkin jersey and someone calling it an RPA😂
I want a Wemben-Yana Black Fi-neat!
We need more out spoken people like you. Say the truth and fuck the rest😂
I can remember when those in this “hobby” was anti-card-fondling, but we live in a new zion-card carrying, PSA 10-or-nothing world, so Kurt is just capitalizing on the latest trend of what Brent Huggies was pushing back in the day. Brent was ahead of his time, but Kurt is right place-right time. PSA hits us with upcharges and we just have to suck it up and pay it. Well, now this is our way of fighting back against those upcharges and getting better grades. Nat Turner bitched for years about the upcharges, then buys PSA and instead of getting rid of the crap up charges since he’s “one of us” (which he’s not one of us), he keeps jamming us. PSA needs to figure out how to spot the wax on-wax off or just keep slabbing the crap cards and shut up……expect more shoutouts to Kurt and his vasoline rubbing cream for better grades because people buy the grade, not the card……
Agreed......Art is man made, not made in a card factory with no QC departments.
Thanks friend!!
The Snow cone Afro would have been more appropriate...
I stopped collecting cards in the early 90's when there just started to be too many companies. Started collecting Sports Illustrateds, put a huge collection together, stopped in '05, just checked back in and all of a sudden they're worth a bundle?! But NOW turns out I gotta clean and press them. Gotta say, as someone who stepped away for almost 20 years and stepped back in, it takes some of the fun out of it. But it's obvious to me it's all here to stay and you just can't stop "progress". I've got a fair amount of cards and, I'll say unfortunately cuz I get where you're coming from, I'll probably clean them to some degree before I send them in. You can light me up if you like, I'm a navy vet and a big boy, I can take it.
Hi Tyler. I just met you and talked with you in Nashville. I highly disagree with just about everything you said. Love the channel. Love the passion. Disagree with the take.... on so so many levels. I'll leave it at that. I also like all your videos. But I down voted this one. Enjoy!
It is just a hobby, why get so worked up over it??? Enjoy the hobby.
Impossible to enjoy the hobby while its infested with money hungry conmen.
@@johnwayne9828 this is true, I’ve been scammed 3 times by scumbags!! But I’ve also met a lot of good peeps. I’ve also been grading for a year and a half and have been having a blast in the hobby. We are all adults and can choose who to surround ourselves with. Hopefully it works out for you.
lol what a video, love it man!! Tell it how it is!!
So its ok that CGC comics offers a service of cleaning and pressing to preserve the comic but yet everybody now is complaining about cleaning cards. Really it’s same service. I disagree with card cleaning. PSA and SGC said that if there is no residue on the cards, it cannot be detected.. that being said card companies need to found way to print chrome card in a better quality. That is REAL issue here.
They restore artwork all the time. Comic books as well.
Been consuming your content for years. I like to see what’s trendy in the hobby (even if you rarely buy Acuña). Enjoyed todays rant!! Much like you I’m a professional with a high income. If my collection went to zero it wouldn’t matter. It feels like card cleaning is becoming more and more prevalent in the hobby over the last ten years. This is why I prefer to buy raw to grade and cards with paper stock.
nothing wrong with using a spray and microfiber psa cant detect it also. Sure editing corners or trimming is 100% altering but using a spray and a microfiber noo. Wax if it leaves a trace of wax
I agree it is altering. I just don’t think psa is going to be able to detect it. There has always been an issue with altering just look at the Honus Wagner psa 8 that was altered. I purchased a Kobe soul of the game that looked to be trimmed. I sent it into 2 different grading company’s 1 graded it a 8 the other graded it altered. I now use that company that said altered for all my PC Cards
Good Afternoon,
This comment is of course, for anyone to reply to.
Would you happen to know what the industry "degree of error/acceptance" is for the size of a 2.5 x 3.5 inch card?
Lets say for example that the answer is 1/16th of an inch, (0.0625 in decimal) what should happen if the card measure exactly 0.0625 inch either short, what should the third party grader do?
I completely agree with you Tyler. 100%. But I must admit what I don’t know won’t hurt me so if I get one of these cards and can’t tell it’s been cleaned then I guess it is what it is.
Gloss being removed? Lol. Thats a reach. Gloss being removed would never Gem
Then what is happening to the card? What sorcery is the cardboard wizard doing to make the scratches magically disappear?
@@TylerShort It's like waxing a car to remove surface scratches. The scratches aren't going away, but what the wax can do is fill in near the surface where the scratch is to make it appear as if it's not there. By doing so, you don't actually completely fix the scratch, but you fill in the top part so it appears to be one smooth surface. It takes on the color around it, not literally but in appearance, because it's filling in such a small amount of space. With the way modern cards are produced, especially chrome cards, that is why waxing can work so well. Scratches that aren't too deep are easy to cover up. It's not gloss being removed. Instead, it's filling in what essentially is a hole when you scratch something.
On that note, it's the way this works that should be the reason wax might be disfavored in the hobby. Wax puts gloss over the scratch. However, if you do it and the wax wears off, as it likely will in time, the scratches that were covered up will reappear. So, then the card that was a 10 now looks like an 8 or worse. How long the process of wax wearing off takes is a big question here. In terms of long-term effects, it's actually the biggest in my eyes. If a good wax could guarantee the wax won't fade and allow scratches to reappear, that would be one where now it's not as big a deal because it will always look gem. However, if the wax fades while sitting in the PSA holder, that's going to create some very weird questions.
im so glad im only in the wrestling card side of the hobby lol
Dibs on the roddy piper cards.
@@johnwayne9828 what crazy is I sent out a roddy piper pack to a friend for 45 bucks. Had a /99 piper in there if he grades it, will be worth 200+
Takes a lot to speak out against the modern social media narrative, fair play 👏
😂 you went in on this one!
Cleaning isn't altering
Your right! Cleaning isn't altering. Cleaning implies wiping off with a microfiber cloth. I imagine you are conflating the words cleaning with altering/restoring. Significant difference. And physically removing a coating that comes on the card from the factory is the exact same concept as shaving a rough edge or corner. Question is how deep to you want to scrub that little dick to make the imperfection go away
You can't really use any chemicals to scrub the card. Will be pulling of the natural surface. Can dab a cloth in water to get off dirt marks
++ good comments on bad practices. Lots of wacky stuff going on. I haven't been to a card show in years. I might have to go to one this weekend in Dallas-Allen just to check out the scene.
I stumbled on your channel and appreciate the content.
Just found your videos and love your content. Not really sure I understand the ozempic hate though. I would never criticize an athlete for their supplement regime to help boost specific chemical levels in their system that could be adjusted by changing their diet balance. Anything that helps unhealthy people become healthy I am 100% for. Is it a short cut, maybe, but why the hell do I care if it's a short cut. Anyways, love your shit so far, just confused by that bit of hate you're sharing.
Great Video Tyler. Agree with almost everything, except when you made me feel bad about being fat and lazy and not going to the gym. 🤣. Seriously though, spot on. Always appreciate your videos.
This is not anymore disgusting than the PWCC, PSA, Ebay scandal from a couple years back. If your gonna buy PSA cards just know they participated in the altering and sales of those cards. Theres still an on going lawsuit over this. So if you think wiping your Topps chrome card off with a microfiber cloth to remove marks is wrong then just don't even consider graded cards in slabs as being ok.
Of course that is worse. This is not using a microfiber cloth to clean cards. It’s physically removing the cards mass
Great video thanks for sharing
Great rant
How old are you?
Old enough to not have to wax dicks on cardboard to make money in this world. How about you?
@@TylerShort Haha, I'm in my thirties
Hopefully grading companies improve their abilities to detect alterations and label it as such
The problem is psa can’t trace it
They also couldn't detect trimming pre Nat Turner.
9:16 what did the five fingers say to the face?
what do u collect? show some videos!
A+++ awesome video man strongly agree
for the sake of all, please look at the player's last name..."yama" not "yana" -- Victor Wembanyama
No speakeh englais
You havent been in this hobby a long time, your what in your 30's, I have been in this hobby for over 40 years, now i will admit soaking a card i may not be in favor of, but if you can remove dirt, gum stain fix a corner. I dont see a problem, I predict PSA or Fanatics will either through a 3rd party or themselves, create a cleaning procedure that they will say is safe just so they can control it and say everyone else isnt safe
New sub. I loved this video. 💯
Shouldn't this be more on the companies putting out bad product ultimately?? I understand your rant and I do agree altering or touching up a card for a better grade seems shady. Stop supporting companies that don't care about their customers or their product.
Yes and no. The product put out in the 70s and 80s was the equivalent of PSA 6 and PSA 7 grade on average due to poor centering. Quality was objectively worse. That is not a reason to condone trimming. Point - card quality from the pack is not a justifiable reason to alter the card to "mint" condition
Preach my brother!
You earned a sub from me. Great video, nothing but facts.
beautiful
Somebody hurt and bullied you didn’t they
You long waxing little dongs eh?
Yikes🫣
I couldn’t disagree more!
You can agree or disagree all you want. PSA has made their statement that rubbing man juice on cards isn't acceptable. So disagree, pound sand, kick rocks, yell at the sky, just know that rubbing duck butter wax on cards is a violation of PSA's terms of service 👍
This shit not gonna stop,its gonna become normal, its a new hobby,not your grandparents hobby, its all about the money, kno matter how many people say there just collectors, kurts is only the beginning.get that tissue ready,theres gonna beba lot of people that cry over this shit😂
Sadly not wrong. Bunch of lazy weasels with no life skills getting their hustle porn on
😂😂😂you obviously weren't in the hobby the last time we had a boom followed by the drop. Just like back then, when there's no money to be made all the noobs will move on and collectors go on collecting.
@@johnwayne9828 u wish, lol it's a new hobby new game, this isn't a collectors hobby anymore
@@DOPECARDS again, you idiots who jumped in during covid have no clue. You'll find out though. And honest question, if the collectors are gone, who are you "investors" gonna sale your "investments" to?
@@DOPECARDS if it's not a "collectors hobby" anymore, I'm not sure who you plan on selling your "investments" to.
rather listen to you bro. learn a lot from this channel
NFTs, get in before its too late. similar to BITCOIN in the early 2010s. limited amount of NFTs and each "NFT" is a PSA10. no need to grade or look up comps. or send it to a customer who will just say its "damaged" people are just wasting their time w cardboard. once paper runs out everything will have to be digital.
That's a generalized statement. There are so many NFTs with 95% being rug pulls/scams. NFTs could be extremely valuable in the future but what gives any that are out now inherent value? Do you invest in SOL NFTS, ETH NFTs, NFT cards? I have a family member who has done phenomenally on NFTs and still is but it's all short term flips.
bitcoin crypto is for money laudering and bribing people in polictics or business complete fraud anyone who deals in that should be sent to prison ONE DAY THEY WILL
Tyler what happened to the Dr.??? Loved his content.
Unfortunately I read that the Doc passed away last year. He was a gem in this hobby during the early YT days.
@@TylerShortOh man i loved his content back about 15-20 years ago....we''ll see you at the backstop....loved it !
@@pulses33 that show was incredible. Literally my favorite CZcams channel of all time. It is an absolute disgrace seeing how content has evolved and what the current landscape looks like
@@TylerShort I agree. The hobby has changed so much over the years. I'm glad that there are still some good folks around tho.
The good ones are what make it worth sticking around, but it's a dying breed