The expression of Burnham's face at the end: she's trying her best NOT to smile, as if saying, "I told ya! Things have drastically changed over the centuries!"
I always thought the spinning for the spore drive was a bit hokey. Would've been better to have something organic like dissipating into a cloud of spores to reform at the destination. Seems that appearing in Cis-Lunar space would've been more appropriate than by Saturn, appearing in Cis-Lunar space suddenly would explain Earth's defensive posture while Saturn is still quite far away by sublight speeds.
John Wang Based on the premise that would make no sense though. The mycelium network is everywhere but it's not like it's visible so why would you do that? I'm not saying I think the whole spinning thing and lightning isn't over done but your suggestion I don't think is any better and in fact sounds a bit dull.
@@screenPhiles The implication of dissipating into apparent particles is that, that is what spores are. Also, real life mycelium networks transports nutrients, minerals and even carbohydrates but not entire objects, always much smaller components. Anything transported in real mycelium networks is by transit of it's components. The whole basic idea of a mycelium network for instantaneous travel is utter fantasy but in real life they do redistribute certain resources but hardly instantaneously and only as aqueous solutions hence dissipated into small particles. Hence spinning doesn't make sense but dissipation and reformation does.
John Wang Be that as it may we're not talking about reality because if that were the case the whole premise would be nonsense. We're talking about a visual representation and what you describe doesn't sound all that interesting. You can see what they were trying to do with the Discovery and if anything it's overdone though that's the direction you want to go. It shouldn't be underwhelming, like for instance a ship cloaking, which sounds similar to what you're describing.
Well to be fair it seems to be working. Earth still looked like a relatively nice place to live. If Discovery’s writing team here were trying to make a political point here (which I’m sceptical off) it was an own goal.
Listen to the sound just as Discovery Spore drive kicks in and the ship shift into "Spore Space" ("hopping across the galaxy on mushrooms" as Pike said) - it's George Jetsons car... Once you hear it - you can't unhear it... Sorry fellow trekies.
Gene Roddenberry: I am going to envision a future that, while not perfect, will give people something to hope and strive for. Everybody after Roddenberry: All we know is dystopia!
You know you don’t have to watch this right? Is everyone forgetting that they don’t have to watch it if they don’t like it?! Am I speaking in tongues??!!
@@Lord_Sunday It’s not a question of having to watch it. It’s a question of the message being delivered and what it says overall about the culture that produced it. If your cherished media product is so fragile that it cannot take a little light criticism, I’d say that’s also a part of the problem.
@@austinbate5107 "Saru is a Kelpian and Kelpians are bad hombres and the Emerald Chains and Space Democrats are the ones who let them in to destroy our beautiful ,the great planet. The best planet."
It's not necessary that in future, we become more advanced, life is more complicated.... If you want, you can read a story about a King and his daughter going to Lord Brahma for advice on who she should marry : en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakudmi#:~:text=Kakudmi's%20daughter%20Revati%20was%20so,suitable%20husband%20for%20his%20daughter.
Not necessarily. Even in the 24th century, Mars was a separate entity (albeit also a Federation member) to Earth, so its quite possible that in the event of a major disaster like the Burn, Earths effective control sinks to basically Earth and the Moon
@@anthonycunningham8116 Where you getting your information from? Mars was a terraformed construction facility under the jurisdiction of Earth. Not an independent political entity. It seems quite foolish to limit a civilization to one planet when you need to be proactively looking out for threats without warp to determine what’s happening outside your solar system
On the one hand, Earth is also home to other species in this time period. Oh the other hand, I'm disappointed that Earth closed itself off completely... I mean they even completely lost contact with other colonies within the solar system. I still find that detail ridiculous since you would think subspace comms would be easy within a system even without subspace relays
It's honestly beyond ridiculous that the species that was responsible for bringing the others together in the FIRST place backed out. I mean, Vulcan, Tellerite, and Andoria I could see leaving. But Earth? Who was the idiot that came up with THAT idea? Although I DO love that despite all the talk about Crippling Earth Cripples the Federation...And yet here we see Earth being out of the Federation and yet said Federation is still fairly stable.
I find it baffling that Earth would pull back not just to the solar system but to the planet itself to the point that it didn’t know what was going on in the outer system. Surely by the time of the Burn the damage to Mars would have long since been repaired. There were also colonies and stations through the system. Also, maybe someone can clarify this for me but was Mars still a colony of United Earth or was it an independent member of the UFP?
The thing about the Burn is that it wasn't just a political collapse but an environmental and infrastructure disaster. Consider every operating anti-matter reactor - many of which wouldn't be on ships but in power plants and at the core of space habitats - going up and destroying EVERYTHING. Even the post-scarcity economy of Federation planets would be wrecked by the sheer amount of simultaneous damage in all sectors of infrastructure and resource management. Earth would have lost, potentially, ALL of its existing space-based assets within the system including stations and outposts. They'd be busy for years trying to orient to a new economy without knowing whether any reactor they rebuilt would be dangerous. Surviving ships would be grounded, potentially permanently, as it was presumed they could denotate without warning. Civilization is extremely fragile. It can fall apart in days if certain supply lines are broken.
It's entirely possible that Mars was never re-colonized after the burning in 2385. If it was only marginally terraformed, it might have been either overly difficult or outright impossible.
Well, considering Andromeda had "Gene Roddenberry's" before it, and was heavily based on Genesis II (complete with the name Dylan Hunt) which was also written by Roddenberry and itself heavily based on other works before it.
Yeah, didn't leave the part about having those starfleet ship return to the planet nicely even if the ship was designed in the past and had to hid due to having experience in predetermined events being bad for the federation.
1:58 I am Captain Doyer of the United Earth Defense Force. Your vessel has violated regulation...." Everyone on Disco bridge: "WTF is this? WTH is the Federation??"
The Time Cops were Star Fleet with a Temporal Prime Directive. Here, the Federation had left Earth to prevent Earth from being a target. Also they were interested in preserving their past but this is the future for those "time cops" hence would not be patrolled as they would have no indication as to which future should be preserved.
We’ve seen what humanity can accomplish. It’s all downhill from here. It’s why all of our science fiction is grimdark. We know deep down that the future is going to suck.
Apparently we are in the middle of a new Galactic Dark Age. It's completely possible that an Experimental Starship with a full experienced crew would be an issue.
@@CWR1701 did you see that planetary shield? or the comment about view screens? this does not seems like a dark age. regardless we saw in TNG Yesterdays Enterprise, that sending the Enterprise C back (22 years) with modern photons would turn the tied in the battle.
@@maddslothii2532 A Galactic dark ages DOES NOT necessarily mean a technological regression. Following the _Burn,_ many of those planet's cut off from the Federation-and StarFleet-may have regressed but Earth, at least, maintained if not, vastly improved its technology so as to completely self-sufficient. It's the only reason Earth seceded from the Federation it helped found a millennia before
@@robgyanisu312 Earth’s tech has remained pretty much stagnant but the Federation is extremely advanced, what with charm-energy weapons and hulls which wouldn’t budge at a direct hit fro quantum torpedoes
UE in Discovery seem to have a better planetary defense grid than the EA had in Babylon5. This Earth have a planetary surrounding shield, whereas the Earth in Babylon5 only has lots of big guns and missiles satellites.
One wonders if the force field generators were designed to withstand continuous incursions by the *BORG* and if so, what are the Borg doing now vis-a-vis the rest of the Federation and StarFleet?
In "Babylon 5" Earthforce didn't HAVE shields. I don't recall ANY race having actual shields like ST, except maybe some Ancients. Just about all of Earthforce technology was based on feasible Newtonian based physics, nothing magical like ST does with it's technobabble.
@@robgyanisu312 Maybe the Borg and the Dominion killed each other around the time of The Burn? Dilithium Crystals are now so rare and valuable, it would equal in value to the Spice Melange in Dune. You can buy the galaxy with the stockpile on USS Discovery.
@@KerrMP Babylon5 ships didn't have energy shields. All the races used thick metal or living organic shielding plates. I saw some of the CZcams Star Trek versus Star Wars versus Battlestar Galactica versus Babylon5 versus Halo versus Stargate versus Mass Effect videos.
@@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164 its never stated on what the borg use for their warp drives however with the transwarp network the loss of dilitum based warp systems would be negligible.
never got used to this. THey jumped in near saturn and after 5-6 seconds they are near earth.. So, discovery can fly about 60x speed of light without warp ?
In reality that's at least a 30 minute trip at light speed, and that just to travel the distance of the orbits. If the actual planets are currently on opposite sides of the sun then it's even longer. And that's still at light speed. So at sublight it should have been hours or longer.
It was always about politics, you had the Communist Klingons and the Nazi Romulans, other than that it was monster of the week show with a bit of vague hopefulness thrown in but with a lot of pitfalls along the way like a Eugenics war and a limited Nuclear exchange
The moon is a lot further away from Earth than they were, so it was probably behind them. Check out an Earthrise pic from the moon's surface and compare it to how much larger Earth is in the frame when the ship approaches.
I have a plan to turn discovery into a clip show and leave the drama to optional web series that plugs in like the old star trek vhs choose ur own adventure borg tapes ...but on youtube
Exactly. Especially Considering that Earth was the planet that brought the others together. Seriously, I often give fans crap for hating on Discovery when it doesn't deserve it. But in this instance I will gladly take the side of the fans
Newcomers who experienced disco's displacement activated spore hub drive (spore drive) *Gets dizzy as heck* Book when he first experienced spore drive: *OHHH SHITTT*
Congratulations United Earth Defense Force, you suck at your job. Challenging a ship that appeared from nowhere within the solar system only this close to earth is not just stupid, but suicidal. Of course that is not the most stupid thing you have done. Not having the planetary shield up constantly is. Any warp-capable enemy could drop a ship out of warp close to earth and either destroy half your shield satellites or devastate half the globe. Two such ships coming in simultaneously from either side would mean a total wipeout of either your shield satellites or your planetary surface. Not that it has to be a ship. Unmanned drones would do as well. I could pile on that the reaction was far too slow even if they have a system that forces ships out of warp at a distance from the planet, The Discovery clearly did not decellerate from warp, nut just appeared, but I think I made my point. And that were my thoughts after watching this scene here for the first time. P.S. Of course I meant a ship/drone specially build for such an assaut and able to fire enough missles in a short time to accomplish what I said.
Second though, I don't know if Red Alert was the right reaction. Yellow Alert would probably have been sufficient. It is possible that no one on the planet can identify the Discovery, so defensive actions are appropriate from a planetary point of view Although, quite arrogant assuming the entire universe knows of their local treaty..
@@maddslothii2532 Exactly. They talk about raiders attacking them constantly and we learn later, because you know, a paranoid planet has no sensor system to keep track of traffic in their own star system, that these raiders come from Saturn. If the sublight engines haven't hotten worse in the last 1,000 years the raiders can be in earth's orbit just as fast as the Discovery. After all, Titan is a moon of Saturn. And it doesn't matter that they didn't correctly show how long it should take from Saturn to Earth. The approaching ship's speed and travel distance is about the same for Discovery and the Raiders.
I guess this would be kind of like since Earth is the capital of the Federation an American going 800 years in the future rolling up near DC and having the fucking Washington DC Defense Force roll up on you instead of the cops or the US army.
@@TheVeritas1 I no longer care. Stopped watching early in S03. This show went too far away from ST canon and became ridiculous. Strange New Worlds is where its at. ❤❤❤
This show had no f-ing clue what it wanted to do. The plots are a mess every season. Earth, THE founding member of the Federation, leaves said Federation? Right. I call bs. God this show had such potential, but there is so much wrong with every season so far. Every accomplishment, from the Red Angel to the discovery of the Burn, feels forced and undeserved (and often just insanely stupid). Aesthetic? Pathetic. Story?😅 Abysmal. Characters? Mediocre at best. Burnham should not have been tied to any legacy characters at all. She should have been her own character. She should never have commited treason, or assisted with active war crimes. Picard suffered from similar issues. It wasnt until they had listened to their older tng fans that they finally had a popular season. STD just shat all over legacy fans, then whined when their ratings absolutely tanked. They STILL dont want to listen. F that. If I want to watch a show with a good story, characters, aesthetic, diversity, and gorgeous spacecraft, I'm going to watch the Expanse. Hell, Expanse is better to rewatch than STD is. Its just sad.
From what I've seen, Discovery is basically a love it or hate it type thing. I personally loved it and can't wait for S4. S1 is pretty okay, but the characters are still getting into their roles and it's a lot of building up to stuff. S2 is very good. I really enjoyed S3, partly because I'm a huge nerd when it comes to far future technology. All in all it's good, but go into it with an open mind. It's not the best Star Trek series, but it's also not the worst. It's also awesome to see the Star Trek world in such high definition and quality, with modern day effects. As with most series in general, don't stop watching just because of S1. It gets better.
the issue isn't too many bipoc, the issue is not many whites. the old stuff had a fair amount of all types of people, but this has little to no whites. im not white myself, but it seems like they pushed too far in the other direction when it comes to racial representation.
These Star Trek shows kill me. They jump in close to Saturn, and in the same sentence they say we are approaching earth. Like wtf. Same thing for the newer Star Trek 2. Fighting the vengeance by the moon and lose power and within a few minutes they are falling into the atmosphere of earth. Why can't they get that crap right?
it almost seems that the peeps who do the CGI crap have just been told the bare minimum and to make it look awesome, so thats exactly what they are doing. The visuals do seem impressive and awesome but it seems as if there is no second thought put into them. Its like the people who made them have absolutely no idea about the core ideas and tech behind the star trek universe. I think that is pretty much it. I do not like it. But I think its in a way not the problem of the people making the scenes, rather the people who approve them.
You don't show hope by having everything all happy and cheerful. You show hope by having it when it is needed the most, during the most hopeless times. There is a reason that hope is the central theme of Shawshank Redemption while being set in a prison where hope is forgotten. Would it be anywhere near as impactful if it was set in Disneyland or some other happy place? You need darkness in order to show how bright the light can be.
Out of 5 seasons we know nothing of the other cast members characters this show was a failure. I'm glad it's over Sonequa Chaunté Martin-Green and the other cast members deserve better then what alex kurtzman and his crap writers gave them smh. Hopefully with the buyout with warner bros we can get better stories of trek. But I won't hold my breath.
Captain Doyer: Your vessel has violated regulation C1922 and F031 of the UE charter!
Captain Saru: How the F do i know what those regulations are ???
Space Directive 1078b clearly states..... 🙂
Book's reaction to the spore drive is great
Clearly they feel something inside, judging by Pike's reaction the first time he experienced it last season. I still give the top reaction to him :P
I'm glad Earth is not a barren planet.
They managed to avoid that trite trope at least.
Should have shown the ruins of Paris with Ripley and Call sitting there
Should have been... 1200 years into the freaking future, should have been. Hell, in a couple of centuries it is going to be.
@@travisfoster1071 very pessimistic approach
The expression of Burnham's face at the end: she's trying her best NOT to smile, as if saying, "I told ya! Things have drastically changed over the centuries!"
That’s not what her face says
@@edsr164 she is while also shock just as Saru is.
The scene with Saturn is so cool and the music, too. Also going to black alert is always cool.
I always thought the spinning for the spore drive was a bit hokey. Would've been better to have something organic like dissipating into a cloud of spores to reform at the destination. Seems that appearing in Cis-Lunar space would've been more appropriate than by Saturn, appearing in Cis-Lunar space suddenly would explain Earth's defensive posture while Saturn is still quite far away by sublight speeds.
It reminded me of Best of Both Worlds from TNG
John Wang Based on the premise that would make no sense though. The mycelium network is everywhere but it's not like it's visible so why would you do that? I'm not saying I think the whole spinning thing and lightning isn't over done but your suggestion I don't think is any better and in fact sounds a bit dull.
@@screenPhiles The implication of dissipating into apparent particles is that, that is what spores are. Also, real life mycelium networks transports nutrients, minerals and even carbohydrates but not entire objects, always much smaller components. Anything transported in real mycelium networks is by transit of it's components. The whole basic idea of a mycelium network for instantaneous travel is utter fantasy but in real life they do redistribute certain resources but hardly instantaneously and only as aqueous solutions hence dissipated into small particles.
Hence spinning doesn't make sense but dissipation and reformation does.
John Wang Be that as it may we're not talking about reality because if that were the case the whole premise would be nonsense. We're talking about a visual representation and what you describe doesn't sound all that interesting. You can see what they were trying to do with the Discovery and if anything it's overdone though that's the direction you want to go. It shouldn't be underwhelming, like for instance a ship cloaking, which sounds similar to what you're describing.
The music, dialogues and scenography....just wow
I wonder how many alien races were stranded on Earth, or all the Humans stranded on Federation Worlds.
Probadly many i believe.
I would imagine would be millions and millions if not billions considering how integrated the Federation was, and how humans had become so widespread.
Earth retained it's "Earth Colonies" etc.
Zero. All the aliens got shipped home.
Xenos GTFO!
Basically, Earth is isolationist and has a wall around it. How... topical.
and the aliens pay for the wall.
How... on the nose...
Well to be fair it seems to be working. Earth still looked like a relatively nice place to live. If Discovery’s writing team here were trying to make a political point here (which I’m sceptical off) it was an own goal.
@@timhare9867 Lol, of course it was political. They're saying "orange man bad".
@@ninjascotsman Point taken.
"A view screen, how quaint "
Listen to the sound just as Discovery Spore drive kicks in and the ship shift into "Spore Space" ("hopping across the galaxy on mushrooms" as Pike said) - it's George Jetsons car... Once you hear it - you can't unhear it... Sorry fellow trekies.
CRAP :D what the helllll is that... you are right, cant unhear it.
Good view of Earth 🌎!!!!!
Gene Roddenberry: I am going to envision a future that, while not perfect, will give people something to hope and strive for.
Everybody after Roddenberry: All we know is dystopia!
You know you don’t have to watch this right? Is everyone forgetting that they don’t have to watch it if they don’t like it?! Am I speaking in tongues??!!
@@Lord_Sunday It’s not a question of having to watch it. It’s a question of the message being delivered and what it says overall about the culture that produced it. If your cherished media product is so fragile that it cannot take a little light criticism, I’d say that’s also a part of the problem.
@@Lord_Sundaythis is some pathetic paradox of Star Trek is it not real trek
@@Theobserver6897 I don’t consider it to be canon. The only post-2017 Trek that I’ll accept is Picard Season 3.
@@HawkGTboy that is so true I miss old trek
We'll build a great shield wall and we'll make the federation pay for it because Earth FIRST ! EARTH FIRST !
And MEGA (Make Earth Great Again)
Btw this comment i stole it from other Star trek video
@@afdhalulakbar5382 DOYER 3220! VOTE DOYER! SARU VOTER FRAUD
Make Earth Great Again etc
@@musicalaviator
"The Kelpian Caravan"
"The Kelpians are bad hombres"
"The Burn is a hoax"
@@austinbate5107
"Saru is a Kelpian and Kelpians are bad hombres and the Emerald Chains and Space Democrats are the ones who let them in to destroy our beautiful ,the great planet. The best planet."
Even with no warp drive,wouldn’t earth have bases in the outer Solar system? Maybe as far out as Pluto? After all it’s the 32’d century.
It's not necessary that in future, we become more advanced, life is more complicated....
If you want, you can read a story about a King and his daughter going to Lord Brahma for advice on who she should marry : en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakudmi#:~:text=Kakudmi's%20daughter%20Revati%20was%20so,suitable%20husband%20for%20his%20daughter.
In this episode, Earth is in conflict with its own colony in Titan
Not necessarily. Even in the 24th century, Mars was a separate entity (albeit also a Federation member) to Earth, so its quite possible that in the event of a major disaster like the Burn, Earths effective control sinks to basically Earth and the Moon
@@anthonycunningham8116 Where you getting your information from? Mars was a terraformed construction facility under the jurisdiction of Earth. Not an independent political entity. It seems quite foolish to limit a civilization to one planet when you need to be proactively looking out for threats without warp to determine what’s happening outside your solar system
@@faded9581 Mars burnt in picard, who knows maybe it's still on fire
I love The Disco, she's just so pretty to me.
On the one hand, Earth is also home to other species in this time period. Oh the other hand, I'm disappointed that Earth closed itself off completely... I mean they even completely lost contact with other colonies within the solar system. I still find that detail ridiculous since you would think subspace comms would be easy within a system even without subspace relays
Discovery was a disaster from beginning to end, worst star trek show ever made
It's honestly beyond ridiculous that the species that was responsible for bringing the others together in the FIRST place backed out.
I mean, Vulcan, Tellerite, and Andoria I could see leaving. But Earth? Who was the idiot that came up with THAT idea?
Although I DO love that despite all the talk about Crippling Earth Cripples the Federation...And yet here we see Earth being out of the Federation and yet said Federation is still fairly stable.
I find it baffling that Earth would pull back not just to the solar system but to the planet itself to the point that it didn’t know what was going on in the outer system. Surely by the time of the Burn the damage to Mars would have long since been repaired. There were also colonies and stations through the system.
Also, maybe someone can clarify this for me but was Mars still a colony of United Earth or was it an independent member of the UFP?
It's not Mars they have the issue with
In the time of the Dominion War, Mars was an independent UFP member.
The thing about the Burn is that it wasn't just a political collapse but an environmental and infrastructure disaster. Consider every operating anti-matter reactor - many of which wouldn't be on ships but in power plants and at the core of space habitats - going up and destroying EVERYTHING. Even the post-scarcity economy of Federation planets would be wrecked by the sheer amount of simultaneous damage in all sectors of infrastructure and resource management.
Earth would have lost, potentially, ALL of its existing space-based assets within the system including stations and outposts. They'd be busy for years trying to orient to a new economy without knowing whether any reactor they rebuilt would be dangerous. Surviving ships would be grounded, potentially permanently, as it was presumed they could denotate without warning.
Civilization is extremely fragile. It can fall apart in days if certain supply lines are broken.
@@adiuntesserande6893 I don't believe that was ever said anywhere on screen, specifically. Though that is true in the beta canon.
It's entirely possible that Mars was never re-colonized after the burning in 2385. If it was only marginally terraformed, it might have been either overly difficult or outright impossible.
The Designs fromt this Show are Coolest my friends. Thanks.
The forcefield generators look good
At least it's no longer STAR TREK: ANDROMEDA...
Well, considering Andromeda had "Gene Roddenberry's" before it, and was heavily based on Genesis II (complete with the name Dylan Hunt) which was also written by Roddenberry and itself heavily based on other works before it.
Geese, UE has gone full UNSC here.
Yeah, didn't leave the part about having those starfleet ship return to the planet nicely even if the ship was designed in the past and had to hid due to having experience in predetermined events being bad for the federation.
1:58 I am Captain Doyer of the United Earth Defense Force. Your vessel has violated regulation...."
Everyone on Disco bridge: "WTF is this? WTH is the Federation??"
Maybe Earth 'brexited' from the Federation
Yep
From Saturn to Earth in like, what 10 seconds?
Scifi writers have no sense of scale.
#firstblackalert of the season
where the hell did the time cops go?
My guess is the burn was suppose so be part of history so they had to keep it like that and not alter the timeline.
They were banned after the Temporal Wars along with time travel.
@@ganados0 But they are time cops! Can't they go forward in time after the ban?
With so many natural temporal anomalies in the star trek galaxy its impossible to ban time travel
The Time Cops were Star Fleet with a Temporal Prime Directive. Here, the Federation had left Earth to prevent Earth from being a target. Also they were interested in preserving their past but this is the future for those "time cops" hence would not be patrolled as they would have no indication as to which future should be preserved.
Remember back when Star Trek was supposed be optimistic view of future, showcasing what the best of humanity can be and accomplish?
We’ve seen what humanity can accomplish. It’s all downhill from here. It’s why all of our science fiction is grimdark. We know deep down that the future is going to suck.
@@HawkGTboy
That what makes Star Trek unique, different from all the other sci-fi shows.
This is totally jacked up.
No warp lol? It would take about a day at full impulse to get from Jupiter to earth
Exactly.😊
I have not watched Discovery but I have a question, Am I to believe a ship from the 23rd century is able to defend itself from 33rd century ships?
Apparently we are in the middle of a new Galactic Dark Age. It's completely possible that an Experimental Starship with a full experienced crew would be an issue.
@@CWR1701 did you see that planetary shield? or the comment about view screens? this does not seems like a dark age.
regardless we saw in TNG Yesterdays Enterprise, that sending the Enterprise C back (22 years) with modern photons would turn the tied in the battle.
No it is not able to. Later in the episode we see them beaming onboard while discovery's shields are up with ease so.
@@maddslothii2532 A Galactic dark ages DOES NOT necessarily mean a technological regression. Following the _Burn,_ many of those planet's cut off from the Federation-and StarFleet-may have regressed but Earth, at least, maintained if not, vastly improved its technology so as to completely self-sufficient. It's the only reason Earth seceded from the Federation it helped found a millennia before
@@robgyanisu312 Earth’s tech has remained pretty much stagnant but the Federation is extremely advanced, what with charm-energy weapons and hulls which wouldn’t budge at a direct hit fro quantum torpedoes
UE in Discovery seem to have a better planetary defense grid than the EA had in Babylon5. This Earth have a planetary surrounding shield, whereas the Earth in Babylon5 only has lots of big guns and missiles satellites.
One wonders if the force field generators were designed to withstand continuous incursions by the *BORG* and if so, what are the Borg doing now vis-a-vis the rest of the Federation and StarFleet?
In "Babylon 5" Earthforce didn't HAVE shields. I don't recall ANY race having actual shields like ST, except maybe some Ancients. Just about all of Earthforce technology was based on feasible Newtonian based physics, nothing magical like ST does with it's technobabble.
@@robgyanisu312 Maybe the Borg and the Dominion killed each other around the time of The Burn? Dilithium Crystals are now so rare and valuable, it would equal in value to the Spice Melange in Dune. You can buy the galaxy with the stockpile on USS Discovery.
@@KerrMP Babylon5 ships didn't have energy shields. All the races used thick metal or living organic shielding plates. I saw some of the CZcams Star Trek versus Star Wars versus Battlestar Galactica versus Babylon5 versus Halo versus Stargate versus Mass Effect videos.
@@exposingproxystalkingorgan4164 its never stated on what the borg use for their warp drives however with the transwarp network the loss of dilitum based warp systems would be negligible.
best series
never got used to this. THey jumped in near saturn and after 5-6 seconds they are near earth.. So, discovery can fly about 60x speed of light without warp ?
The original Enterprise traveled through the solar system as fast as Discovery. Even without warp drive, Starfleet ships can really move.
Wow
Soneuqh look good 🌹🦸🏾♀️
so they got from Saturn to Earth in 10 seconds at sub light speeds ?
In reality that's at least a 30 minute trip at light speed, and that just to travel the distance of the orbits.
If the actual planets are currently on opposite sides of the sun then it's even longer. And that's still at light speed.
So at sublight it should have been hours or longer.
Similar things have happened before in TNG The Best of Both Worlds.
@@lezhilo772 it took them 24 minutes at maximum impulse m which was also too quick since its takes longer than that for light to cross that distance
Safe to say there was a time gap. They didn't literally get from Saturn to Earth almost instantly.
@@michaelmeir-wright6204 it should have been edited in a way that makes that clear
There’s no place like home.
As soon as those satellites came online I said "there goes elon musk and his starlink defense grid"
If those were ever designed by EM's company, it would more than likely blow up/catch fire, not work, or crash land on earth.
Anyone else remember when star trek was about space exploration and not a steaming pile of shit.
Really which star trek is that?.... because I don't see it can you point me to the right direction please 🥺
It was always about politics, you had the Communist Klingons and the Nazi Romulans, other than that it was monster of the week show with a bit of vague hopefulness thrown in but with a lot of pitfalls along the way like a Eugenics war and a limited Nuclear exchange
I hate everything about nu Trek
Make Earth great again
Funny Star Trek Enterprise didn’t look like this much.
The latest wave of Trek shows have MUCH bigger budgets.
I think what bothered me most about the closeup to earth, no moon ,
Well..
The moon is a lot further away from Earth than they were, so it was probably behind them. Check out an Earthrise pic from the moon's surface and compare it to how much larger Earth is in the frame when the ship approaches.
will someone please explain how one person or group has so many duplicate channels with the SAME materals?
I have never seen a TV show go downhilll from Season 1 to Season 3 so quickly... well, maybe Westworld.
Wait, you thought S1 was good?
@@posindustries It was at least watchable.
@@Youngstown529 You're made of stronger stuff than I, then. I couldn't get through it sober.
@@posindustries When Jason Isaacs was on screen - the show just sizzled. Michelle Yeoh was decent - although I preferred her pre-mirror Georgiou.
I have a plan to turn discovery into a clip show and leave the drama to optional web series that plugs in like the old star trek vhs choose ur own adventure borg tapes ...but on youtube
I wonder how their spaceship OS is still compatible with the OS of a century ahead.
Our organic spaceship
And cue the tears in 3..
2..
They were not traveling at warp speed. There is no way they could have gotten to Earth from Jupiter that fast.
Earth leaving the federation was the most unrealistic part of this season
Exactly.
Especially Considering that Earth was the planet that brought the others together.
Seriously, I often give fans crap for hating on Discovery when it doesn't deserve it.
But in this instance I will gladly take the side of the fans
ODPs?
What happened to the time police ?
Newcomers who experienced disco's displacement activated spore hub drive (spore drive)
*Gets dizzy as heck*
Book when he first experienced spore drive:
*OHHH SHITTT*
That line was so in character for Book.
Where is he? Missing him in this video
Congratulations United Earth Defense Force, you suck at your job.
Challenging a ship that appeared from nowhere within the solar system only this close to earth is not just stupid, but suicidal.
Of course that is not the most stupid thing you have done. Not having the planetary shield up constantly is.
Any warp-capable enemy could drop a ship out of warp close to earth and either destroy half your shield satellites or devastate half the globe. Two such ships coming in simultaneously from either side would mean a total wipeout of either your shield satellites or your planetary surface.
Not that it has to be a ship. Unmanned drones would do as well.
I could pile on that the reaction was far too slow even if they have a system that forces ships out of warp at a distance from the planet, The Discovery clearly did not decellerate from warp, nut just appeared, but I think I made my point.
And that were my thoughts after watching this scene here for the first time.
P.S. Of course I meant a ship/drone specially build for such an assaut and able to fire enough missles in a short time to accomplish what I said.
Second though, I don't know if Red Alert was the right reaction. Yellow Alert would probably have been sufficient. It is possible that no one on the planet can identify the Discovery, so defensive actions are appropriate from a planetary point of view
Although, quite arrogant assuming the entire universe knows of their local treaty..
in their defense, they appeared at Saturn... and got to Earth from there in about 10 seconds... at sub light speeds...
@@maddslothii2532 Exactly. They talk about raiders attacking them constantly and we learn later, because you know, a paranoid planet has no sensor system to keep track of traffic in their own star system, that these raiders come from Saturn.
If the sublight engines haven't hotten worse in the last 1,000 years the raiders can be in earth's orbit just as fast as the Discovery. After all, Titan is a moon of Saturn.
And it doesn't matter that they didn't correctly show how long it should take from Saturn to Earth. The approaching ship's speed and travel distance is about the same for Discovery and the Raiders.
makes no sense earth out of all members would leave the federation.
This reflects real world history in which political alliances can change in shocking ways over decades or centuries.
Still think it's dumb a planet would isolate itself from the rest of the system when they have impulse drive tech.
its also dumb that trump has almost half of the votes this time as well.. people are dumb...propably also in the future
@@jurgenkoks9142 In American politics, the opposition always almost has half, and also the one with the most votes doesn't mean the winner either.
@@jurgenkoks9142 China Joe Xiden and his cronies stole the election.
Is this show set before or after TNG, in terms of star date?
@@user-gw9jz7kc4o The first 2 seasons happen 10 years before TOS. The rest of the series takes place in the year 3189
A keyboard…how quaint.
Is this the episode where Brian Kemp is still President of Earth?
why does the spore drive sound effect sound like a squeegie?
cuz everything has to sound like donald duck..
It's the mushrooms screaming every time Discovery plows through their dimension.
Earth's ddefense ships Flying coffee tables
Looks like Earth is under Dental Law
star war should be a story
I guess this would be kind of like since Earth is the capital of the Federation an American going 800 years in the future rolling up near DC and having the fucking Washington DC Defense Force roll up on you instead of the cops or the US army.
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So, hair style changes every season?
Why not?
@@TheVeritas1 I no longer care. Stopped watching early in S03. This show went too far away from ST canon and became ridiculous. Strange New Worlds is where its at. ❤❤❤
Won't we all be a shade of olive in the future? Look at how hard they try with their cast.
Oat lord Would depend on what world their ancestors grew up on
Most of humanity on Earth has never been White. Star Trek is simply reflecting this reality.
Okay to all hardcore trekkies, 2 questions... 1st is what? 2nd is da fuck?
STD isn't real Star Trek
This show had no f-ing clue what it wanted to do. The plots are a mess every season. Earth, THE founding member of the Federation, leaves said Federation? Right. I call bs. God this show had such potential, but there is so much wrong with every season so far. Every accomplishment, from the Red Angel to the discovery of the Burn, feels forced and undeserved (and often just insanely stupid). Aesthetic? Pathetic. Story?😅 Abysmal. Characters? Mediocre at best. Burnham should not have been tied to any legacy characters at all. She should have been her own character. She should never have commited treason, or assisted with active war crimes. Picard suffered from similar issues. It wasnt until they had listened to their older tng fans that they finally had a popular season. STD just shat all over legacy fans, then whined when their ratings absolutely tanked. They STILL dont want to listen. F that. If I want to watch a show with a good story, characters, aesthetic, diversity, and gorgeous spacecraft, I'm going to watch the Expanse. Hell, Expanse is better to rewatch than STD is. Its just sad.
The ship design and spore drive are complete nonsense, this isn't Star Trek, it's not even SIENCE fiction
The worst star trek spin off ever 😂
God why is the cgi and scaling so awful in this series.
The camera angles and movement make it look like Discovery is way too big relative to earth
That would be chinese ship
AT Earth. At.
Enterprise E warp's in fire all quantum torpedos ships dead
Is this Star Trek worth watching? Or did they destroy this series?
From what I've seen, Discovery is basically a love it or hate it type thing. I personally loved it and can't wait for S4. S1 is pretty okay, but the characters are still getting into their roles and it's a lot of building up to stuff. S2 is very good. I really enjoyed S3, partly because I'm a huge nerd when it comes to far future technology. All in all it's good, but go into it with an open mind. It's not the best Star Trek series, but it's also not the worst. It's also awesome to see the Star Trek world in such high definition and quality, with modern day effects. As with most series in general, don't stop watching just because of S1. It gets better.
Amazing just how bad STD was...
What a garbage show, an insult to the franchise.
Oh, god, so many BIPOC s ....I much prefere the original Discovery series.
the issue isn't too many bipoc, the issue is not many whites. the old stuff had a fair amount of all types of people, but this has little to no whites. im not white myself, but it seems like they pushed too far in the other direction when it comes to racial representation.
Sorry ... it's just not Star Trek !
Jesus that outro is so fucking annoying
These Star Trek shows kill me. They jump in close to Saturn, and in the same sentence they say we are approaching earth. Like wtf. Same thing for the newer Star Trek 2. Fighting the vengeance by the moon and lose power and within a few minutes they are falling into the atmosphere of earth. Why can't they get that crap right?
it almost seems that the peeps who do the CGI crap have just been told the bare minimum and to make it look awesome, so thats exactly what they are doing. The visuals do seem impressive and awesome but it seems as if there is no second thought put into them. Its like the people who made them have absolutely no idea about the core ideas and tech behind the star trek universe. I think that is pretty much it. I do not like it. But I think its in a way not the problem of the people making the scenes, rather the people who approve them.
Starfleet ships have always been able to cross the solar system swiftly.
They travel at the speed of plot
Shouldn’t be crazy scenes, should be stupid scenes from Discovery.
Still horrible show ! The future looks hopeless !
May I just ask, how old are you?
@@mauricejohnmac Let say, I am your future .
@@mauricejohnmac he's obviously a kid. You didn't need to ask.
You don't show hope by having everything all happy and cheerful. You show hope by having it when it is needed the most, during the most hopeless times.
There is a reason that hope is the central theme of Shawshank Redemption while being set in a prison where hope is forgotten. Would it be anywhere near as impactful if it was set in Disneyland or some other happy place? You need darkness in order to show how bright the light can be.
You poor fools . Bad is bad . Old enough to know that criticism and tolerance are one . But in the future . It clearly separate .
I watch this scene and think... Wow Discovery is awful.
Just too fucking woke
Not impressive like Reboot movies..
The USS Woke has arrived to save the day!
Disco the worst ST tv show.
Series is woke trash. i watched a couple ep's and that was it
I need drugs to enjoy this.
Discovery? This thing does not exist for me. What a SHAME for Star Trek.
Out of 5 seasons we know nothing of the other cast members characters this show was a failure. I'm glad it's over Sonequa Chaunté Martin-Green and the other cast members deserve better then what alex kurtzman and his crap writers gave them smh. Hopefully with the buyout with warner bros we can get better stories of trek. But I won't hold my breath.
Discovery, the STD of Star Trek.