Except there is actually made sense because the entire universe was set up that way. It was also much better executed in Enders Game because you actually were able to tell who is who, who is currently losing and who is winning, and what the consequences of mass drone destruction were. Here, it is just chaos, nobody can tell anything. And Trek never did such a useless shuttle and drone spam, with stationary ships..... The fighter wings in DS9 made so much more sense.
Evidenced no better than when an Orion-controlled Discovery in STD season 3 held off every ship at Starfleet HQ for minutes even after the Admiral gave the fleet the order not to hold back and to destroy the ship rather than let it fall into enemy hands.
This is actually era-appropriate. The original Enterprise's shields (no bloody A, B, C, or D) were phenomenally powerful, withstanding hits from weird green hands, Doomsday Machines that cut up and ate entire planets, unknown plasma torpedoes, V'ger's digitiser torpedoes that took out D-7s in one hit, and all sorts of other stuff.
Still love the fact that Control, an AI, either A) Didn't concentrate fire on just the Enterprise, blow it up within a few minutes leaving only the Discovery and B) Didn't aim that super/mega/big torpedo simply at the Enterprises Bridge.
Can you imagine pulling the SFX team & Matt Jeffries into a screening theater 6 months after the last episode of TOS when they thought that was just a show and they were onto the next one.. show them just this and tell them this is what would become of their labors.. how would they react?
They’d be impressed with how much more complex scenes we can create these days, compared to ships just moving from one side of the screen to the other.
Having the galaxy which in some sources the star fleet identified the class as a dreadnought it would be amazing to see the ‘dreadnoughts’ of the fleet to brawl with any foe
I have to imagine that, in a situation like this where a larger ship has a protective swarm of smaller ships, the larger ship is effectively unarmed. Firing on the enemy is just as, if not more, likely to hit your own side.
@@lordtrini So then the enemy just shoots down the gap you've just had to make so you can fire. Like we're not talking shooting down someone's rifle here, that space is basically the size of a humvee.
NO OTHER STARFLEET SHIP WOULD TAKE THE TYPE FO BEATING WHEN THE AUTOMATED PHOTON TORPEDO BLEW FOUR DECKS WIDE OF THE SHIP IT SURVIVED NOW THATS A TRUE POWERFUL FEDARATION SHIP
They got the hero ship effects so right...and the vibe of the battle so wrong. The whole fight is drowned out by those squeaky fighters that look like they came out of the JJ Verse. Wisely, DIS wouldn't bring these back in subsequent 32nd century battles.
Agree, they just had 1 random millennium falcon version around Discovery to fight alongside them or just straight up ships themselves and not pods with phasers coming out of discovery's ass
well, they only got big fancy laserstuff going for this show. The story and characters are very bad. Unlike in Star trek strange new worlds, where the characters are much more evolved and less like 13 year old kids. But whatever the consumer wants, if they want fancy lightning show of shit. they get it.
I didn't understand how Discovery got the blue beams this episode. When the last 2 seasons it was using pulses. Then why in SNW the Enterprise has red beams.
@@jakearmitage7811 Watch this video from the 1:50 mark for red phasers: czcams.com/video/cij2kF5SU1Q/video.htmlsi=bQJAZu5U8lLz4rMb And this video from the 2:25 mark for pulse phasers: czcams.com/video/XKoF45apwYk/video.htmlsi=vuhDhhtEb9KY-C77
At 2:25, those appear to be a different kind of photon torpedo, rather than phaser pulses. The sound effect doesn’t match up with what we know as a phaser, so that would be my guess.
If control was meant to be a tactical decision making AI then it could at least fire a few torpedoes at the bridges of enterprise and discovery but no we don’t do that cause plot convenience
@@Pavel_M_Mihalik Plus it was a direct point blank shot, by what looks like a torpedo specially designed to punch through a, most likely weakened, shield. Why else was it the only one launched the way it was?
They were fighting ships operated by Control - a rogue AI that was originally used by Section 31 to make strategic assessments and come up with defense strategies.
I think it's the worst space battle ever seen on Trek. The drone/shutte spam is just stupid, nobody is maneuvering, Discovery and Enterprises shields are suddenly enough to tank what 10? enemy ships for ages. The effects are waaaaay too much over the top. It's hard to even realize what is going on especially with all the shuttles and drones. This battle would have been much better if it was only the starships and they were actually maneuvering. The battles they did in Strange New Worlds are so much better than this.
@xxnightdriverxx9576 for once, im going to have to defend discov here. Those ships are big and heavy. For how they were cornered, this was actually how you'd defend yourself. Control was taking a "corner them and don't let them move" approach. They defended themselves in one of the most tactically accurate ways I've seen in this scenario specifically when it comes to fiction.
when star trek franchise trying to copy japanese macross series....but failed miserably. The size and scale and numbers are messed up, and those shuttles literally suicide
A completely terrible scene from the dramaturgical point of view. Yes, a lot happens, explosions, phaser fire, shuttles fly around, but half the time I don't really know what's going on. From the spectator's point of view, I can't develop a feeling for what I'm seeing right now. A ship explode? Okay, i have no idea what it was or who it belonged to anyway. I miss the more cleaner battlescenes in DS9 or even Enterprise.
Yeah, but from a realistic perspective, this is how it is. If you're looking at a fleet-to-fleet battle in navy from a birds eye view, you'd have a way more difficult time.
@@10054Except that Section 31 shouldn't have its own fleet of starships. Shuttles, yes as a means of transporting agents to designated tasks, but a top secret organisation cannot hide its existence when it's funnelling funds from Starfleet to build its own fleet of ships. Also having a fleet does not align with Section 31's mandate. They take care of things BEHIND THE SCENES. If a secret fleet suddenly appeared in Klingon or Romulan space and started blowing shit up, a lot of people would have a lot of questions to ask. "But don't you see? This is the Section 31 that was ... and the 24th century incarnation is what it became because it learned its lessons from this plot arc." Bullshit. Section 31 was not this 100 years prior in Enterprise ... and it surely would have been 100% assimilated by Control when it went rogue, meaning that the entire organisation was wiped out.
The red angel shit was such a stupid story line. There’s no way she should of realistically survived flying through a battle in a suit like that. The only good thing about this show was pike and the enterprise.
The "swarm" surrounding Space Jesus is a copycat of Enders Game. The ramming jump of Klingon's ship is a copycat of USNC Infinity of Halo. The "fire barrage" is a copycat of Battlestar Galactica artillery barrage. This show is incredible brainless.
This felt more like a star wars battle to me
Expect Star Wars Good, but this... I don't even know what is going on or who is with who xD
@@NorB0316 *Old-school SW. The Sequel Trilogy is a trash fire. Only good things to come out of Modern SW was CW season 7 and The Bad Batch.
"Sir! Our logic emitters are down!"
"Forget about them, focus on our rule of cool arrays!"
There's no way that they held what looks to be nearly 100 small craft within the bays of two ships
200 according to the dialog and yeah I agree with you.
Shuttle's have warp many would have to have warped there those ships are way too small for all those ships.
Have you seen the elevator system? Apparently it’s as big as a Tokyo subway hub
Behold! My science friction prestidigitation!
*POOMF*
"Replicators"
@@DocHellfish those don't exist on ships in this century, unless you mean that they made those shuttles from the food synthesizer's meatloaf
Its so iconic to see the classic version of the enterprise weapon.on the show.
it is phasers produced by Andorians
Surrounded by shuttles and drones reminds me of the final battle in ender's Game
Except there is actually made sense because the entire universe was set up that way. It was also much better executed in Enders Game because you actually were able to tell who is who, who is currently losing and who is winning, and what the consequences of mass drone destruction were.
Here, it is just chaos, nobody can tell anything. And Trek never did such a useless shuttle and drone spam, with stationary ships..... The fighter wings in DS9 made so much more sense.
@@xxnightdriverxx9576 I hope he reviews Enders Game
I do too. An absolute brilliant movie.
Finally proper phaser beams
These phaser beams are simply perfection
@@LexGoyletos were perfect the dsc phaser are to slow on here 1 up the pew pew ill let go of
Star Trek shields usualy: One sneeze and they are gone.
Star Trek shields when you run out of a plot: Survive minutes of uninterruped fire.
Evidenced no better than when an Orion-controlled Discovery in STD season 3 held off every ship at Starfleet HQ for minutes even after the Admiral gave the fleet the order not to hold back and to destroy the ship rather than let it fall into enemy hands.
This is actually era-appropriate.
The original Enterprise's shields (no bloody A, B, C, or D) were phenomenally powerful, withstanding hits from weird green hands, Doomsday Machines that cut up and ate entire planets, unknown plasma torpedoes, V'ger's digitiser torpedoes that took out D-7s in one hit, and all sorts of other stuff.
4:05 pew pew pew pew pew. Lol. What IS that mess?
I think judging from where those blasts came from they're SUPPOSED to be Klingon photon torpedoes. The rendering is dogshit though.
Is this the most action packed episode in Star Trek? I can't think of another one with this much action. It was none stop from beginning to end.
3:56 the enterprise looked like the USS Mayflower from Star Trek 2009
Still love the fact that Control, an AI, either A) Didn't concentrate fire on just the Enterprise, blow it up within a few minutes leaving only the Discovery and B) Didn't aim that super/mega/big torpedo simply at the Enterprises Bridge.
Well, TOS demanded the Enterprise and Pike not be destroyed.
So blame the 60s
@@jeremydale4548 🤣🤣🤣
@@jeremydale4548Or the shows bad writing
Can you imagine pulling the SFX team & Matt Jeffries into a screening theater 6 months after the last episode of TOS when they thought that was just a show and they were onto the next one.. show them just this and tell them this is what would become of their labors.. how would they react?
They’d be impressed with how much more complex scenes we can create these days, compared to ships just moving from one side of the screen to the other.
I would've loved to see DS9, TNG AND VOYAGER with the Discovery cgi budget, Omg 😱
it must have been stupid massive
Id love to see discovery with the writing of those other shows...
Having the galaxy which in some sources the star fleet identified the class as a dreadnought it would be amazing to see the ‘dreadnoughts’ of the fleet to brawl with any foe
Totally correct. Pixomondo did a great job here. I messaged the CEO and told him we need a DS9 remaster and he agreed.
I would love to see Cardassian ships with modern effects.
That’s plot armor for ya
one of the very few moments I actually had fun watching this show.
I have to imagine that, in a situation like this where a larger ship has a protective swarm of smaller ships, the larger ship is effectively unarmed. Firing on the enemy is just as, if not more, likely to hit your own side.
the swarm elements move and make a path for the shot.... simple... jeez
@@lordtrini So then the enemy just shoots down the gap you've just had to make so you can fire. Like we're not talking shooting down someone's rifle here, that space is basically the size of a humvee.
Nice how they're all bunched up like that
damn those shields can take a beating!
NO OTHER STARFLEET SHIP WOULD TAKE THE TYPE FO BEATING WHEN THE AUTOMATED PHOTON TORPEDO BLEW FOUR DECKS WIDE OF THE SHIP IT SURVIVED NOW THATS A TRUE POWERFUL FEDARATION SHIP
Amen!!
WHY ARE WE SCREAMING
Someone forgot less is more and decided to chuck everything they possibly could on screen.
Bro how powerful are these shields?
Plot shields can be pretty strong
I went to DS9 Tears of The Prophet's battle scene after this. Such a relieve.
They got the hero ship effects so right...and the vibe of the battle so wrong. The whole fight is drowned out by those squeaky fighters that look like they came out of the JJ Verse. Wisely, DIS wouldn't bring these back in subsequent 32nd century battles.
Agree, they just had 1 random millennium falcon version around Discovery to fight alongside them or just straight up ships themselves and not pods with phasers coming out of discovery's ass
Really cool yet so dumb also... All this battle seemed to me was an attempt to compete with star wars visuals... And that was never trek
well, they only got big fancy laserstuff going for this show. The story and characters are very bad.
Unlike in Star trek strange new worlds, where the characters are much more evolved and less like 13 year old kids.
But whatever the consumer wants, if they want fancy lightning show of shit. they get it.
You have seen DS9, right?
@@ChrissonatorOFLIn DS9 they didn’t sputter blaster shots like this.
@@notabannedaccount8362 What are you even talking about? For one, blasters are a Star Wars term... next, again, have you seen DS9's battles?
@@ChrissonatorOFL Those battles served the plot. Not the other way around.
They attack on a 2-D plane....direct across the saucer, as if to ram it.
This is obscene
I didn't understand how Discovery got the blue beams this episode. When the last 2 seasons it was using pulses.
Then why in SNW the Enterprise has red beams.
It's always been like this. The Enterprise had pulse, blue and red phasers in TOS.
@@Pavel_M_Mihalik No it didn't. It only had blue and no pulse in tos.
@@jakearmitage7811 Watch this video from the 1:50 mark for red phasers:
czcams.com/video/cij2kF5SU1Q/video.htmlsi=bQJAZu5U8lLz4rMb
And this video from the 2:25 mark for pulse phasers:
czcams.com/video/XKoF45apwYk/video.htmlsi=vuhDhhtEb9KY-C77
At 2:25, those appear to be a different kind of photon torpedo, rather than phaser pulses. The sound effect doesn’t match up with what we know as a phaser, so that would be my guess.
@@Pavel_M_Mihalikwrong tos blue but faster hit rate dscs to slow
Directed by Micheal Bay
Cool Star Wars clips!
???
@@scp-001thescarletking Clearly not a Star Wars fan
Farting out small ships like confetti.
Wrong franchise, writers. This is Star Trek.
At least there was no Beasty Boys this time.
What the hell is going on!?!
was it ever explained why they just kinda stood there?
If control was meant to be a tactical decision making AI then it could at least fire a few torpedoes at the bridges of enterprise and discovery but no we don’t do that cause plot convenience
I enjoyed watching that episode of star wars lol. Shame I searched for Star Trek.
How can that torpedo pass throught enterprise ‘s shield??
All that enemy fire weakened it enough to let the torpedo through.
@@Pavel_M_Mihalik Plus it was a direct point blank shot, by what looks like a torpedo specially designed to punch through a, most likely weakened, shield. Why else was it the only one launched the way it was?
Control hammered the Enterprise's shields and then torpedoed it as it was repairing. They tried to do it with Discovery but Pike moved between.
DIS Constitution's Phaser Effect are so beautiful.
They showed how new trek is on going good in this season.
Is this Star Trek or Star Wars?
I'm probably just lacking context but I couldn't tell who the hell they were fighting.
They were fighting ships operated by Control - a rogue AI that was originally used by Section 31 to make strategic assessments and come up with defense strategies.
wow..
god quirkiest flak screen
wow
sound effects are really cartoony...
What is with all the annoying squeaky sound effects
For a more realistic experience, please set the volume of the video to zero.
never such a fight in Star Trek seen.... thats more Star Wars or Battlestar Galactica.... a big weird CGI with a dumb cgi (why no focus....)
It feels… slow
What is that? Star Wars rebranding...???
The battle is better than any Star Trek I’ve seen with the Constitution class
agreed she took her licks and kept on trucking true scotts man building
I think it's the worst space battle ever seen on Trek.
The drone/shutte spam is just stupid, nobody is maneuvering, Discovery and Enterprises shields are suddenly enough to tank what 10? enemy ships for ages. The effects are waaaaay too much over the top. It's hard to even realize what is going on especially with all the shuttles and drones.
This battle would have been much better if it was only the starships and they were actually maneuvering.
The battles they did in Strange New Worlds are so much better than this.
@@xxnightdriverxx9576 Hard disagree. This is more akin to a proper naval battle with support ships guarding the capital ships.
naval battle in space :D @@LexGoyle
@xxnightdriverxx9576 for once, im going to have to defend discov here. Those ships are big and heavy. For how they were cornered, this was actually how you'd defend yourself.
Control was taking a "corner them and don't let them move" approach. They defended themselves in one of the most tactically accurate ways I've seen in this scenario specifically when it comes to fiction.
show 1/10 space fights 7/10 ship designs 7/10. It's worthy of a montage as long as the cast don't speak and they don't try to tell a story :D
when star trek franchise trying to copy japanese macross series....but failed miserably. The size and scale and numbers are messed up, and those shuttles literally suicide
A completely terrible scene from the dramaturgical point of view. Yes, a lot happens, explosions, phaser fire, shuttles fly around, but half the time I don't really know what's going on. From the spectator's point of view, I can't develop a feeling for what I'm seeing right now. A ship explode? Okay, i have no idea what it was or who it belonged to anyway.
I miss the more cleaner battlescenes in DS9 or even Enterprise.
Your last sentence is the only one I disagree with. Battle isn't clean.
@@marley7145He means for a fictional show.
Yeah, I am glad they improved so much in Strange New Worlds
Yeah, but from a realistic perspective, this is how it is. If you're looking at a fleet-to-fleet battle in navy from a birds eye view, you'd have a way more difficult time.
@@10054Except that Section 31 shouldn't have its own fleet of starships. Shuttles, yes as a means of transporting agents to designated tasks, but a top secret organisation cannot hide its existence when it's funnelling funds from Starfleet to build its own fleet of ships.
Also having a fleet does not align with Section 31's mandate. They take care of things BEHIND THE SCENES. If a secret fleet suddenly appeared in Klingon or Romulan space and started blowing shit up, a lot of people would have a lot of questions to ask.
"But don't you see? This is the Section 31 that was ... and the 24th century incarnation is what it became because it learned its lessons from this plot arc."
Bullshit. Section 31 was not this 100 years prior in Enterprise ... and it surely would have been 100% assimilated by Control when it went rogue, meaning that the entire organisation was wiped out.
The red angel shit was such a stupid story line. There’s no way she should of realistically survived flying through a battle in a suit like that. The only good thing about this show was pike and the enterprise.
And Captain Lorca before he turned MAGA.
Plot armour is the best survival tactic.
It was a great storyline, a great way the writers could move into another era of star trek that didn't require as much adherence to canon.
The "swarm" surrounding Space Jesus is a copycat of Enders Game.
The ramming jump of Klingon's ship is a copycat of USNC Infinity of Halo.
The "fire barrage" is a copycat of Battlestar Galactica artillery barrage.
This show is incredible brainless.
This is where I quit Star Trek Discovery. Battlefield Earth copy+paste, Marvel font.
Pike forgot they had torpedoes