The Mystery of the Isdal Woman

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  • @decodingtheunknown2373
    @decodingtheunknown2373  Před měsícem +31

    Go to sheathunderwear.com and use the code “UNKNOWN” to get 20% off your order! Thank you Sheath for the sponsorship!

    • @jrmckim
      @jrmckim Před měsícem +3

      I always read Shea Thunder Wear instead of Sheath Underwear 😆

    • @rdevin220
      @rdevin220 Před měsícem +2

      17:49 😮

    • @Fraslet
      @Fraslet Před měsícem +1

      Sheath 😅

    • @michaelmayhem350
      @michaelmayhem350 Před měsícem

      Simón I know you don't care but death valley regularly records the hottest temperatures on the planet

    • @gomahklawm4446
      @gomahklawm4446 Před měsícem +1

      Volume too low to watch on the go. Would be okay if sitting at home perhaps, but I'm not. I can't be bothered to strain to hear you. Why is this such an issue?? Especially when people say it again and again when it's low like this.....

  • @elmartell5724
    @elmartell5724 Před měsícem +40

    I may just be speaking from my autism, here- but plenty of us cut all our tags out just because they're god-awful uncomfortable

    • @mariakelly90210
      @mariakelly90210 Před 13 dny +2

      Good point!

    • @JamesAnderson-dp1dt
      @JamesAnderson-dp1dt Před dnem

      Except on his Biographics channel, Simon pointed out that the labels had also been removed from the cosmetics items in her luggage. Also apparently the prescription label from the eczema cream.

  • @CoughitsKath
    @CoughitsKath Před měsícem +642

    "she's got random glasses with clear glass? that sounds a bit spy-ish," says the man who's so proud of his now clear glasses that he wears because, "they're part of my brand" 👓

    • @user-ri5fe7ti6i
      @user-ri5fe7ti6i Před měsícem +57

      BTW, Drew Carey does the same thing. He had Lasik years ago, but still wears clear glasses for the same reason

    • @krazymann1727
      @krazymann1727 Před měsícem +79

      Maybe he knows the spy hallmarks for a reason.....allegedly

    • @whatthefish2082
      @whatthefish2082 Před měsícem +19

      I guess it takes one to know one

    • @katsmeow6946
      @katsmeow6946 Před měsícem +7

      I bet I have a dozen. 😸when I was a kid I would’ve given Anything to not have to wear them. They were the big thick “coke bottle” kind. In fact I have a scar from falling on my face. 52 stitches.

    • @BohoStitcher
      @BohoStitcher Před měsícem +17

      It irritates me to no end when Simon refuses to recognize a world in which he’s wrong. 🙄🤣

  • @missdragonfire
    @missdragonfire Před měsícem +547

    8:46 I'm not a spy, but I cut tags out of my clothes due to skin irritation.
    Edited to add - Also she had eczema cream which could suggest she had sensitive skin. I personally do not think she was a spy but I guess we may never know.

    • @onglogman
      @onglogman Před měsícem +64

      That's EXACTLY what a spy would say...

    • @Kari.F.
      @Kari.F. Před měsícem +15

      ​@@onglogman😂😂😂👍

    • @YourOlderBrotherChannel
      @YourOlderBrotherChannel Před měsícem +7

      @@MrBarcode That’s how I feel when I see someone wearing a shirt with “DRINK COCA-COLA™️” on it hahaha

    • @AstraRune
      @AstraRune Před měsícem +5

      I want to have this printed on a shirt I’ll wear, just in case.

    • @missdragonfire
      @missdragonfire Před měsícem +7

      @@onglogman And you would know this how?

  • @RVMM1
    @RVMM1 Před měsícem +258

    32:04 Simon says “the mystery woman claimed to be from Belgium, but all of the hotel admin was filled out in German.” As a Belgian: Belgium has 3 official languages: Dutch, French and German. The German dialect spoken in Belgium is different from Hochdeutsch (the standard German spoken in Germany), so that could very well account for the different grammatical usage and spelling.

    • @bonniea8189
      @bonniea8189 Před měsícem +29

      I was thinking the same thing - that speaking German didn't mean she wasn't Belgian.

    • @cmdr.jabozerstorer3968
      @cmdr.jabozerstorer3968 Před měsícem +3

      Also didn't she claim to be from Ljubijana on one of them?

    • @honor9lite1337
      @honor9lite1337 Před měsícem

      😮😮

    • @reginedeleu5442
      @reginedeleu5442 Před měsícem +1

      Exactly! There is a region in Belgium where they speak German.

    • @Menuki
      @Menuki Před měsícem +3

      The variety of languages in Belgium including Flemish which isn’t spoken anywhere else makes it a go to country to hide a bad accent. So imperfections wouldn’t raise suspicions

  • @Sally4th_
    @Sally4th_ Před měsícem +111

    Always makes me chuckle the way such a big deal is made of labels cut off of clothes. I cut the labels off all my clothes, especially ones at the back of the neck because they itch on my skin and look naff when they turn out.

    • @Max_Mustermann
      @Max_Mustermann Před měsícem +8

      She also removed the labels from her cosmetics.

    • @_argurios8253
      @_argurios8253 Před měsícem +13

      @@Max_Mustermann i had the same opinion as above but yeah, removing the labels from cosmetics is a weird extra step which i can't rly make sense of

    • @dark_baphomet
      @dark_baphomet Před měsícem +3

      I dont think its odd, unless everything is removed like from trousers, blazers, coats etc places that wouldn't be as irritating or irritating at all and when combined with other weird shit

    • @kyumu
      @kyumu Před měsícem +4

      ​@@Max_Mustermann I take the labels off stuff like that and water bottles because I like to play with the glue while talking/watching something. Turns out it runs in the family cause my sister who lives across the country from me does the same thing. We be stimmin'

    • @nancybetters6243
      @nancybetters6243 Před měsícem +1

      I thought it was weird but I don’t think so any more because my 6 year old daughter HATES the labels on her clothes she always makes me cut them off..that’s when I realized wow I guess some people are just like that🤷🏻‍♀️ she says they itch her

  • @oliviawolcott8351
    @oliviawolcott8351 Před měsícem +213

    Tormund Bones is the best forensic investigator name ever.

    • @Kari.F.
      @Kari.F. Před měsícem +22

      Norwegian here. The thought has never occurred to me because we pronounce our names very differently. But when Bones is pronounced the English way, the name ABSOLUTELY fits the profession. 😅

    • @SkunkApe407
      @SkunkApe407 Před měsícem +12

      Or an adult video actor.😂

    • @--enyo--
      @--enyo-- Před měsícem +1

      💯

    • @justkiddin84
      @justkiddin84 Před měsícem

      FR!

    • @TheSamanthak86
      @TheSamanthak86 Před 9 dny

      His name was Tormund Bønes not Bones☺️

  • @SwayTree
    @SwayTree Před měsícem +69

    I am very surprised that people are so obsessed wirh missing tags while she clearly had egzema... Also I read somewhere that if a spy was to remove tags they would do it in a way not to leave any indication a tag was there.
    I personally believe she was hiding from someone. She wasn't mentally ill , she was in real danger. She is organized but her goal isn't to blend in. Her goal is to be so different from who she really is.

    • @PositiveOnly-dm3rx
      @PositiveOnly-dm3rx Před 9 dny

      She was hiding from the Nuremberg trials... she used a term only used by Germans during ww2... she's the right age too.

  • @XDeminox
    @XDeminox Před měsícem +180

    She was an early writer for Today I Found Out, but she kept using too small a font and no line breaks so Simon made her "disappear"

    • @andreagriffiths3512
      @andreagriffiths3512 Před měsícem

      🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @felixphoshoko1542
      @felixphoshoko1542 Před měsícem

      😂😂😂

    • @elphiegleason3899
      @elphiegleason3899 Před měsícem

      😅😅😅😅 that is my kind of dark humor. Kudos 😅on 😅😅😅

    • @dark_baphomet
      @dark_baphomet Před měsícem +6

      She also forgot to put her name on the top of the page, she knew she was done for so escaped front the basement but Simon tracked her down through her many aliases through his expert knowledge of spying from movies 😂

  • @kathryncumberland
    @kathryncumberland Před měsícem +156

    It's funny to listen to Simon argue with people who were actually spies about how spying is accomplished 😂

    • @stephenluttrell8958
      @stephenluttrell8958 Před měsícem +37

      Especially when he’s constantly admitting all of his knowledge comes from TV dramas.

    • @onimarutenchu6589
      @onimarutenchu6589 Před měsícem +10

      I just got to that part and I'm laughing my ass out 🤣🤣🤣

    • @semaj_5022
      @semaj_5022 Před měsícem +24

      He just wants so badly for her to be what his idea of a spy is that he's completely disregarding the different types of jobs involved in espionage even after it was spelled out for him. it's honestly hilarious. Especially for Mr. "I always try to be open to changing my opinions with new information." lmao

    • @PetrSojnek
      @PetrSojnek Před měsícem

      I think many of his arguments are "but they are spies, of course they are not telling us the truth!" Which in my opinion is not quite correct. But what do you want from person thinking spy = James Bond :)

    • @VMichaelLazar
      @VMichaelLazar Před měsícem +9

      @@semaj_5022 His confirmation bias is strong. It's hilarious seeing Simon argue the "belief over facts/expertise" side of a Decoding the Unknown episode.

  • @partyontheobjective
    @partyontheobjective Před měsícem +94

    She described herself as art dealer or antics dealer right? Maybe not a spy, but maybe art thief, or a conwoman? Corporate espionage also fits I guess. I'd probably rule out mental illness, especially the paranoia, since if she was paranoid, it was for a damn good reason, seeing she ended up murdered.

    • @Mavisdundundunnnmanston
      @Mavisdundundunnnmanston Před měsícem +11

      I agree with this. It is also possible she was a call girl who worked in certain circles. But maybe she overheard the wrong thing.

    • @matfhju
      @matfhju Před měsícem +6

      On the art thef theory. I cant comfirm this but I have heared rumores that the Nazies was hiding a bunch of their stolen gold and art in Norway.

    • @ijakoan
      @ijakoan Před měsícem +5

      Yep, she claimed to be an antique dealer.
      Seems very likely to me that she was perhaps not doing any due diligence on the antiques she was trading if you get what I mean and as for her death... some customer probably didn't want to pay and saw it as the easier option to kill her.

    • @justkiddin84
      @justkiddin84 Před měsícem

      This could also have been a serial killer or a pair of them. Lured her in with some story, then did their sick stuff.
      I wish there was some surviving evidence for dna testing.

    • @AvatAR42420
      @AvatAR42420 Před měsícem

      I agree with this.

  • @TheSpitfire88888
    @TheSpitfire88888 Před měsícem +110

    Well, since you brought up Death Valley in the states, you could do a decoding the unknown on the Death Valley Germans. A German family of 4 disappeared in Death Valley in 1996. If I recall they found the parents remains, but not the children.

    • @anna9072
      @anna9072 Před měsícem +34

      Yeah, but that’s not really a mystery anymore. They tried to take a minivan over a route that would be challenging to en experienced four-wheel driver, and got stranded in one of the deadliest places on earth. The fact that the children’s remains haven’t been found doesn’t mean much, children and their bones are more fragile and portable than adults, they were likely carried off by scavengers. A sad tale, but no mystery.

    • @Plaprad
      @Plaprad Před měsícem +34

      @@anna9072 I read up on it a few years back. There was mentions of people telling the father that the minivan couldn't make it through the trail they were talking about and him referring to how easy the "trails" are in Germany and the ones in the US can't be worse.
      Then he apparently mentioned something about they'd be right next to a US Military base if they needed help. He didn't listen to anyone telling him bases in the Western US are WAY bigger than the ones in Germany.
      Everything about it points to a family who wanted to have a fun vacation, but didn't understand something light and perfectly safe at home can be fatal somewhere else. No real mystery, just a tragedy.

    • @generalgarchomp333
      @generalgarchomp333 Před měsícem +16

      ​@@nharber9837 A lot of people forget how stupidly massive America is, like it's literally half of North America, a fuckin continent and not even one of the smaller ones.

    • @eddyguizonde401
      @eddyguizonde401 Před měsícem +7

      @@nharber9837 i went into death valley once. in early november, the heat was hotter than anything i ever felt, and i lived in virginia during a heat wave and spain in the summer. i fried an egg on the roof of our car. it is unbelievable unless you've actually experienced it. a lot of my friends (french born and bred) don't understand when i talk about my life in the states. it is another world. my wife is native abenaki, and now that she lives here, she knows what i mean by culture shock. my friends look at her like an alien when she talks about her life stateside. i know she ain't lying. i lived it.

    • @NJRDC
      @NJRDC Před měsícem +4

      Oooo I only found about this case in the last couple months. It would be an interesting story for Simon to tell but I think the mystery was pretty much solved when they located some of the adult bones and a couple other personal items. The desert takes no prisoners.

  • @dominique8655
    @dominique8655 Před měsícem +9

    i know you’ve covered the isdal woman on biographics before but i just love how much you and your writers dig into these sort of historic mysteries on this channel. it’s not just feeding you information it’s really turning the wheels in your brain. just wanted to say i appreciate it and this is why decoding the unknown and the casual criminalist are my favorite channels in the whistle-verse!

  • @michaelvaughn1496
    @michaelvaughn1496 Před měsícem +20

    Not sure about the rest of the world but in the US in 1970, we did not have to offer any ID at any hotel or motel; nor did we have to show ID to purchase tickets or get onto an airline flight. Not any screenings at all. It was, needless to say, a much more lax time. Hence, DB Cooper. He gave his name simply to pick up the ticket at the counter then walked on board. Seriously and thus why he could not be identified.

    • @tinam4426
      @tinam4426 Před měsícem +5

      My mother was born in 1970 US, Ohio. Apparently my grandmother didn't need to show ID at the hospital she gave birth to my mother at because she put a fake name on the birth certificate. We don't know why she chose to put a name other than hers on her daughter's BC, but she did.

    • @betaich
      @betaich Před měsícem

      You have to show an ID here in Germany, but you have to fill out a so called Meldekarte, a card with your details on it. That Meldekarte is mandatory since 1985 when the SHengen agreement went into effect. It is only in effect for non German citicens.

  • @Demonslayre
    @Demonslayre Před měsícem +28

    Just remember; a desert is classified by the amount of precipitation it recieves, not the temperature of the area.

  • @nicolelake5848
    @nicolelake5848 Před měsícem +39

    Epilepsy doesn’t cause mental illness, but on the 90’s I was briefly on an Epilepsy medication which made me hallucinate. A few of the medications I was on made me anxious and paranoid. Epilepsy medications were not as good as they are now.

    • @mekabare
      @mekabare Před měsícem

      Actually it is pretty common for people with epilepsy to have comorbid mental illness, from what I’ve heard.

    • @calebbean1384
      @calebbean1384 Před měsícem

      Depends on the kind of epilepsy. Temporal lobe type is notorious for causing psychotic symptoms

    • @DaleDix
      @DaleDix Před měsícem +1

      ​@@mekabarefrom what you've heard?

    • @DaleDix
      @DaleDix Před měsícem

      Neurontin? Horrible stuff.

    • @DaleDix
      @DaleDix Před měsícem

      ​@@calebbean1384receipts.

  • @Ohforgodssakethatsme
    @Ohforgodssakethatsme Před měsícem +113

    I cut tags out of my clothes when they keep flipping up. My family and I also cut tags out of clothing that is going to be donated to discourage resellers, so that the clothes have a better chance of getting to people who need them.

    • @oliverbosson3217
      @oliverbosson3217 Před měsícem +5

      There is very often more than one tag, usually an annoying one with laundry info etc, and one thats sown in, the annoying one is fairly normal to remove, however usually people do not remove the ”unnoticable” one.

    • @Blinkerd00d
      @Blinkerd00d Před měsícem +2

      Did they have the same kind of tags on clothes in the 1970s?

    • @kcbarbo78
      @kcbarbo78 Před měsícem

      @@oliverbosson3217you would remove every single tag if you have sensory issues.

    • @CaseyBDook
      @CaseyBDook Před měsícem +13

      I remove all tags because they irritate me to no end. Autism isn't always a super power.

    • @parrotstories
      @parrotstories Před měsícem

      @@CaseyBDookthat’s what I was gonna say. I have to because autism

  • @loka7783
    @loka7783 Před měsícem +29

    Another theory that never gets mentioned.: She was the ex-wife of some horrible man who had enough money to make his marriage a secret so he could control her. If I'd stolen a large amount of money from a man like that I'd be paranoid also.

    • @vulcanfeline
      @vulcanfeline Před 28 dny

      nvm stolen money, if i was trying to get away from a man like that...

    • @jessiehorn4616
      @jessiehorn4616 Před 10 dny +3

      Came on here to give the same theory. This sounds way more like a woman trying to stay hidden from some dude than a spy.

  • @Cysubtor_8vb
    @Cysubtor_8vb Před měsícem +29

    Simon refusing to accept that she wasn't a spy 😂

  • @RealMoukeycat
    @RealMoukeycat Před měsícem +18

    She was a "secret guest" travel critic. Like a secret shopper. She was about to give the last hotel she was inspecting a very bad review. The hotel manager learned of this.

    • @lizajane2971
      @lizajane2971 Před měsícem +7

      😂 It's as plausible as the "spy" theory

  • @valolafson6035
    @valolafson6035 Před měsícem +20

    Removing the tags due to itching makes the most sense. Tags don't add much to figuring out a person's identity.

    • @friskybitzboi
      @friskybitzboi Před měsícem +1

      Tags, especially back when things weren’t as mass-produced, could be used to track down where clothes were bought- I think it’s likely she just had sensitive skin but also it did make finding info about her harder

  • @stephenluttrell8958
    @stephenluttrell8958 Před měsícem +26

    I like how Simon’s definition of spy kept getting broader as he kept desperately holding on to his pet theory as the video went on.

  • @Savasvania
    @Savasvania Před měsícem +112

    Her movements sound like someone who was paranoid and believed someone was following her. Or maybe she was actually running from someone.

    • @Lisss-eo3vp
      @Lisss-eo3vp Před měsícem +14

      I find it more likely that she was actually running from someone (or someones), because if it was just paranoia, then why did it end that way

    • @betaich
      @betaich Před měsícem +2

      Or a salesperson of some kind, would also explain the shorthand/code and the multiple languages. Also Belgium is a 3 language country so that could be just that.

    • @carolinec3951
      @carolinec3951 Před měsícem +3

      @@Lisss-eo3vp Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to kill you. lol.

    • @Victoria-dh9vb
      @Victoria-dh9vb Před měsícem

      Yeah, crazy exes exist across all time lines. There are a lot more battered women than there ever were spies....

    • @_argurios8253
      @_argurios8253 Před měsícem +1

      @@carolinec3951 i think the keyword in their sentence was "just" paranoia. It's not mutually exclusive, you can very much become paranoid as a consequence of feeling threatened for a while, whether the danger is real or imagined, right? Sure it can still be a random homicide but i lean towards "she knew there was someone coming for her"

  • @erinthesystem9608
    @erinthesystem9608 Před měsícem +13

    Buying an extra mirror makes sense if you're changing your appearance, as it's one way to see the back of your head (or to see yourself from different angles). I cut my hair at home, and that second mirror is crucial to not messing up the back of the haircut!

    • @khallkhall7237
      @khallkhall7237 Před měsícem +4

      To do drugs, to read backward writing, to do kinky stuff in bed, to send coded flashes, to be able to tell who is coming into a room, to hiding something in it, to realizing that hotel mirrors never show the whole outfit, to having religious or spiritual beliefs that involve mirrors, to wanting to confuse people. If she was involved in anything shady it's more likely that she was attracting a lot of attention and diverting some surveillance assets away from someone else. Also codes or ciphers don't have to be unbreakable. They just have to make a message harder to read than normal. Something that someone who knows you can read and someone who doesn't will be thrown by works just as well in the right situation. If you're just telling someone where to go, where you've been, or hiding a decryption key in plain sight, a simple to break shorthand isn't that big of a deal.

    • @madamepampadour
      @madamepampadour Před 11 dny +1

      @@khallkhall7237 Yes, to hide something in it, like plans.

  • @meepmoopiethe3rd
    @meepmoopiethe3rd Před měsícem +9

    As an American, encountering people without much of an accent whose first language wasn't English is so common. Where I grew up, I knew so many people whose first language was Arabic or Spanish (primarily those two), but spoke perfect English. Some of these people hadn't come to the States until they were like 10, but little kids pick things up so quickly. I woll also never cease to find it impressive when someone's parent doesn't know a word of English and the kid is the translator. I can barely speak Spanish in the present tense, yet this 6 year old at the store is switching from perfect Spanish with his mom to perfect English with me like it's nothing.

    • @Werevampiwolf
      @Werevampiwolf Před měsícem +2

      Yeah, I had a coworker who spent most of his childhood growing up in Nigeria, and I had no idea until he mentioned it in passing.
      He only mentioned it because we got new security guards, who were also Nigerian and basically only spoke Yoruba, which was also his first language. Apparently they were jerks and my coworker didn't want to have to talk to them, so he just pretended to be a born-and-raised American (who didn't speak Yoruba). But he'd already worked here for quite a while, and he hadn't been pretending to be local prior to that point; that was just how he talked.

  • @klocugh12
    @klocugh12 Před měsícem +28

    > Who falls forward into a fire?
    A rather drunk person certainly can.

    • @kristinelsenbeck3288
      @kristinelsenbeck3288 Před měsícem +3

      My first thought as well. “Drunk people, Simon. Drunk people.”

    • @andiward7068
      @andiward7068 Před měsícem +2

      The same people who fall away from fires, but who cares about the safely landed face plant?

    • @johncromer2603
      @johncromer2603 Před měsícem +3

      I've fallen face first into a fire... thank goodness my buddy was there with a jug of iced tea to put me out.

    • @addicted2monster88
      @addicted2monster88 Před měsícem +3

      That was my first thought lol. I've seen it happen half a dozen times

    • @yorkie23D7
      @yorkie23D7 Před 23 dny +2

      Absolutely. This happened to my brother one bonfire night after a few drinks. He went to warm his hands or so he said and ended up falling over and burning both his hands. Knowing him, more likely he was doing a fire walk on the embers (the sort of thing that sounds like a good idea when you're drunk).

  • @lizlee5052
    @lizlee5052 Před měsícem +63

    Abused women have been known to go to extreme measures to escape their abuser. Especially if she’s being pursued. Just a thought.

    • @carlllewellyn
      @carlllewellyn Před měsícem +3

      Doubt she’d set her self alight 6:00

    • @kawnilsen
      @kawnilsen Před měsícem +15

      ​@@carlllewellynIt would probably be whoever she was running from that finally caught her and set her on fire

    • @GrievousReborn
      @GrievousReborn Před měsícem

      So what a woman who fears that she's going to be deleted by the person who abuses her just deletes themselves by setting themselves on fire. Sorry about using the word delete the other word may get my comment deleted because CZcams's comment moderation bot sucks

    • @calebbean1384
      @calebbean1384 Před měsícem

      ​@@carlllewellynpeople do insane things when they break mentally

    • @deschain1910
      @deschain1910 Před měsícem +1

      This thought crossed my mind too, but it seems like more than just abuse when the last sighting of her might have been two men following her up a mountain to burn her in a fire after dosing her with pills...
      What was it, her husband and his brother? Some kind of weird honor killing? Maybe, but it's a pretty weird outcome to her abuser catching up with her...

  • @michaelmoore7975
    @michaelmoore7975 Před měsícem +10

    @28:10 I dunno....in 1968 my Dad tried to sneak a .38 Webley Mark III police revolver in my diaper bag my Mom was carrying, along with a disassembled Kimball double-barrelled shotgun in the check-in luggage.
    Both were found and confiscated. My Mom was allowed to continue back to the States with me, and my Dad had to stay and "answer a few questions."
    It was _mostly_ above board; the purchases were legitimate, his method of transport was not.
    Mom said she stayed pissed at Dad for years after that. She said she felt like a Kray brothers moll when they pulled the pistol out with seemingly the whole world watching.
    And get this, sometime in 1986, we got a package in the mail. In it were both guns, with a letter of explanation from customs.
    True story.

    • @truxton1000
      @truxton1000 Před 21 dnem +1

      Well I travelled in 1985 from Norway to London, since it was just before new year and we were supposed to celebrate New Year in London I thought it was a good idea to take a signal pistol with me on the plane. And so I did, it travelled with me over, I used it to fire some "signal rockets" at Piccadilly Square in London, and it travelled with me back to Norway, I was young and stupid. Well it proves that the checks was not really that good in those days, it became more serious not long after.

  • @drew9734
    @drew9734 Před měsícem +83

    Simon: It's always a simple mundane explanation!
    Also Simon: SPIES!!!!
    😆

    • @st0rmforce
      @st0rmforce Před měsícem +6

      The thing is, SPIES!!! is actually a relatively mundane explanation

    • @itarry4
      @itarry4 Před měsícem

      Simon: I need proof for everything
      Simon on a few strange details and no facts: it's spies 100% spies and cover ups...

    • @betaich
      @betaich Před měsícem +4

      @@st0rmforce more mundane would be salesperson, would explain the movements of her and the different languages.

  • @sj-art
    @sj-art Před měsícem +28

    I got asked what high school I went to when I was in my 40s and got carded for a pg 13 movie when I was in my late 20s. My aunt who is several years younger than my mom, was asked how old her daughters were...pointing at my mom, my sister, and me. Some people do just look a lot younger than they are.
    Also, with excema it makes sense she would cut out any potential itchy stuff that could irritate her skin.

    • @ceg8677
      @ceg8677 Před měsícem

      Similarly; turned 32 this year. Was carded at my birthday drinks.

    • @augiegirl1
      @augiegirl1 Před měsícem

      My mom’s family is the same way. My maternal grandpa was 90 when he died, but appeared to be 65-70; my mom is 73, but appears to be 50-55, & I'm 45, but appear to be 25-30. We call it the “genetic gift”.
      FYI, the my profile photo was taken before my 10-year high school reunion, so I was 28.

    • @augiegirl1
      @augiegirl1 Před měsícem

      My mom’s side of the family is the same way. My maternal grandpa was 90 when he died, but appeared to be 65-70, my mom is 73, but appears to be 50-55, & I'm 45, but appear to be 25-30. We call it the “genetic gift”. FYI, my profile photo is just over a year old.

    • @augiegirl1
      @augiegirl1 Před měsícem

      My mom’s side of the family is the same way. My maternal grandpa was 90 when he died, but appeared to be 65-70, my mom is 73, but appears to be 50-55, & I'm 45, but appear to be 25-30. We call it the “genetic gift”. FYI, my profile photo is just over a year old.

    • @augiegirl1
      @augiegirl1 Před měsícem

      My mom’s side of the family is the same way. My maternal grandpa was 90 when he died, but appeared to be 65-70, my mom is 73, but appears to be 50-55, & I'm 45, but appear to be 25-30. We call it the “genetic gift”. FYI, my profile photo is just over a year old.

  • @arfived4
    @arfived4 Před měsícem +54

    If someone has done a bunch of things that make you think they're a spy, the chances are they aren't a spy.

    • @SoManyRandomRamblings
      @SoManyRandomRamblings Před měsícem +11

      Back in the late 70s my parents saved up and then quit their jobs to do the van-life thing. And my dad's parents were convinced they had to be spies because who quits their job to travel the U.S. 😂😂

    • @vetinaris1297
      @vetinaris1297 Před měsícem +3

      Awww. Does that apply to witches too?

    • @Max_Mustermann
      @Max_Mustermann Před měsícem +6

      As part my prior job as an IT consultant I once met a guy (a Russian colleague on a project in Germany) who nonchalantly mentioned to me and another colleague that some governments were willing to pay for information, implying that it would be a way for me and the other colleague to make some additional money. Suffice to say we didn't take him up on the offer.

    • @vetinaris1297
      @vetinaris1297 Před měsícem +3

      @@Max_Mustermann hope you reported it. He might have had success elsewhere

    • @Max_Mustermann
      @Max_Mustermann Před měsícem +5

      @@vetinaris1297 I thought about it, but by that time I was no longer on the project and didn't really have concrete evidence besides that off the cuff remark.

  • @TheKalaxis
    @TheKalaxis Před měsícem +60

    I have fallen forward into fire exactly once. I was 5 and trying to put some sweet wrappers into the flames and I tripped on the carpet. My dad and granddad grabbed me out incredibly quickly thankfully.
    A quick run under the cold tap and some crying later and I was back to happily watching Ferngully with the guard in place covering the fire.

    • @ThirtytwoJ
      @ThirtytwoJ Před měsícem +3

      13, drinkin beer, and goofin off with a bonfire. Also lost some hair when my idiot ex roommate tried to fry everyone suddenly walking up pouring gas from a low fume filled can onto a bonfire from directly above the open flame. Me and another dude hit the deck backwards "noohhhhshit" The other female, her, and the dude 12 beers in all lost eyebrows and other bodyhair. Still not as bad as the time she built a fire 4 feet from my bedroom wall in the driveway... I walk out goin wtf to a sheriff driving by and flippin round and her divin into the bushes on more than beer. 3 mins after i put it out while im calming everyone else down, them amazed he left after i talked to him.. i hear "Wooo its snowing"... And my near new car is covered white in extinguisher powder. Yeah.. fun times, just not for me so much. No, was not dating her. The older, heavier, and more a lush she got the more a pattern developed of her getting smashed, bangin someone, then making accusations... Like 4 in 5 relationships included. Wild times tho.

    • @bannankev
      @bannankev Před měsícem +2

      I don’t know why but I just picture a British person looking at you going “ you alright mate? You know that hurts huh?” 😂 idk why I just do 😅

    • @ThirtytwoJ
      @ThirtytwoJ Před měsícem

      @@bannankev a bearded father hiding his shame shielding his eyes with his hand and asking "bet ya wont do that again huh?"

    • @SkunkApe407
      @SkunkApe407 Před měsícem +2

      My nephew fell into a burn pit filled with embers and hot ash. He wound up with second and third degree vurns on 80% of his body. Thanks to the Shriner's Burn Hospital at Shand's UF, he was fine and his scarring is minimal and nearly completely faded. It becomes evident when he tans, but is otherwise unnoticeable. Burns are terrifying and horrible.

    • @jcook693
      @jcook693 Před měsícem

      Batty ftw

  • @Alex-ug9wx
    @Alex-ug9wx Před měsícem +29

    A perfect case for this channel would be the death of Mikas Alps. I live in guernsey and, as it’s a very small island, everyone knows everything about everyone else. The main narrative around his death, which was said by authorities to possibly have been murder, is that it was orchestrated by the Russian government due to his links to anti Russian groups. Additionally, there were rumours of a pair of Russian men entering and leaving the island on the same day of the death.
    Either way, it’s certainly an ‘unknown’ that’s yet to be decoded, and it would be really interesting to see you guys take a crack at a case from my home island!

    • @dark_baphomet
      @dark_baphomet Před měsícem

      That would be cool I thought Guernsey was free from horrible stuff tbh being so tiny 😂 maybe Sark is?

  • @o.mcneely4424
    @o.mcneely4424 Před měsícem +17

    Age can be such a tricky thing to judge, depending on not just a person’s physical appearance but also their demeanor, sense of style, and even where the guesser is from. I’ve had clients at my job be appalled and even loudly outraged upon first meeting me in a professional setting, because they think I’m 17-19 and thus far too young to be working in something as serious as refugee resettlement. One person even refused to get in a car I was driving because “I’m not sure you’ve even reached the driving age yet, you’re a damn child”. I know she was mad but it was complimentary in its own way 😬
    I do understand why they think this (I’m a bit baby faced, I don’t have to wear a suit or other bits of business attire, I tend to be more informal and less stiff than social workers are expected to be, etc) but the shock when I show them on my ID that I’m actually almost 30 is truly quite the show.

    • @joniroxanne96
      @joniroxanne96 Před měsícem

      When I was 19:
      A shopkeeper refused to sell me beer (I went to buy for my mom); after I told my mom about that, and she went to confront them, I've never seen them again. 🫥
      A kid in the park I was ~12 instead. 😄

    • @settame1
      @settame1 Před měsícem

      My drivers license was from Minnesota when I was in my 20s, which has a weird texture and could fold in half. My name is also strange so when I first left the state for school I got carded and denied all the time because it looked like a fake ID with a fake name for someone who was obviously younger than 15.
      I also sound young and once tried to cancel an account (I believe it was internet) and the person on the phone wanted to talk to my parents because I was to young to have my own account despite being in my mid 20s.

    • @u-neekusername4430
      @u-neekusername4430 Před měsícem

      Yep, I'd 100% believe that she looked that much younger. I have blessed genetics n everyone from my myself down my mothers line have looked easily 10 yrs younger (more than 10 depending on what they were wearing n the shape they were in). I didn't know it until I was 8 n my mother told me that my babysitter was only 5 yrs older than her n not my grandma age. Meanwhile our teeth & eyes age twice as fast! LOL

    • @koivunen2489
      @koivunen2489 Před 22 dny

      My Dad still got carded in his 40s.

  • @itarry4
    @itarry4 Před měsícem +8

    Simon on every other decoding episode - "I need proof, not circumstantial but real undeniable proof!"
    Simon in this episode - "She's a Russian spy nothing else can be possible not even a spy working for someone or a lady on the run for some reason." cos Simon has such intimate knowledge of who is or isn't a spy. Like what they look like. Apparently generic which doesn't have to be true what about those used in honey traps etc. I especially love how he knows more about it than real people involved in the spy industry, man!

  • @56qwertyuiop
    @56qwertyuiop Před měsícem +9

    It's insane to me to have rarely been out of cell phone range. I can drive a little over an hour from where I am in the middle of a city and be out of cell service. We generally camp with no or extremely spotty cell service off of logging and pipeline roads. Canada is pretty empty in the middle and the north.

    • @valolafson6035
      @valolafson6035 Před měsícem

      Or any part. I was on the TransCanada through BC a couple weeks ago and lost service.

  • @mcguckin13
    @mcguckin13 Před měsícem +51

    The forensic expertwas called "Bones"? 🤔
    Kathy Reichs has entered the chat☠️

  • @AkDragoon
    @AkDragoon Před měsícem +14

    I think we are missing an obvious hypothesis here. International THIEF fits the MO better than spy.

    • @schnetzelschwester
      @schnetzelschwester Před měsícem +3

      That was also my thought. Pretending to buy antiques or artefacts would give her access to rich people's houses and the opportunity to scout for burglaries. It would be interesting to know whether there has been an increase in burglaries or thefts on her route. Maybe she betrayed some gangster boss and had to hide from them. That would explain the overkill, too. Stating an example and punishing.

    • @mirandagoldstine8548
      @mirandagoldstine8548 Před měsícem

      That’s actually a good theory. It would fit in nicely with her cover story of being an antiques dealer and all the men she was seen with. But then why kill her? Did she figure out something fishy was going on and she suddenly had a guilty conscious? Who are you really Élisabeth (my name for her)?

    • @truxton1000
      @truxton1000 Před 21 dnem

      No, I have watched all documentaries bout this and it points in the direction of an eastern block spy that was there in regard of NATO activity.

  • @morrigan908
    @morrigan908 Před měsícem +11

    Simon would completely freak out living in the US. Until I moved several years ago, I was so remote that I had zero cell service at home. When wifi calling became a thing, I could use that unless the internet was out, but I had to drive about a mile and a half down the road to get an actual cell signal.

    • @vetinaris1297
      @vetinaris1297 Před měsícem

      Misread as 'when *wife* calling became a thing'
      Retracting funny comment 😊

  • @denimvelvet4670
    @denimvelvet4670 Před měsícem +5

    Companies making clothes without tags is one of the greatest things fashion has accomplished in the 21st century.

  • @aw9307
    @aw9307 Před měsícem +16

    When the camera zooms in and you can’t see the desk. Simon looks like a floating head.

  • @TheMisterMescudi
    @TheMisterMescudi Před měsícem +4

    This case had oddly similar aspects to that of “jennifer fairgate” which also occurred in Norway, Oslo specifically.

  • @carl7255
    @carl7255 Před měsícem +4

    This is another mystery worth researching
    The Body In The Tree is an unsolved murder of a woman whose remains were found in a hollow tree in Hagley, Worcestershire, on 14 April 1943.

  • @DFSJR1203
    @DFSJR1203 Před měsícem +13

    I have seen a young Asian woman sitting in a field with a soda bottle in her hand. She then started pouring it on herself and the next thing she is alight. Several people nearby rushed to her aide. One had a fire extinguisher. They put her out and got her to a hospital 1/4 mile away. She was so burnt she passed away the next day. Never heard why she may have done it.

  • @December954
    @December954 Před měsícem +9

    I don't know if it was the case during this period, but art dealing and antiquity dealing are common and effective methods for money laundering.

  • @jessicakluck6565
    @jessicakluck6565 Před měsícem +15

    Sadly, Simon is my most consistent "relationship " these days. Lol
    Love seeing a new video pop up!

    • @DaleDix
      @DaleDix Před měsícem

      There are countless people with a parasocial relationship with Simon.

  • @elizabethgrey9157
    @elizabethgrey9157 Před měsícem +4

    Technically, Italian and German were my first two languages. My parents spoke them to me until we moved to France when I was almost 3. Then I was taught French. Then we moved to the U.S. when I was almost 14, in '83.
    So, English is, I guess, my fourth language. I speak it better than all of the others combined.

  • @nickp3177
    @nickp3177 Před měsícem +7

    I am again reminded of how US rural defers from Europe rural, in that he called the Isle of Man the middle of nowhere, when the county I grew up in was about twice as big as the Isle of Man land wise, and had about 1/5th the population.

  • @seanprzybyla2157
    @seanprzybyla2157 Před měsícem +3

    cutting tags out of clothing is actually really really common. its done for many underlying reasons but basically lots of people have medical conditions that give them sensitive skin so they cut the tags out so they dont get irritated by them. Very common in any clothing that touches skin, dresses, blouses, t-shirts etc.

  • @dwaynne_way
    @dwaynne_way Před měsícem +95

    So many channels, so many frequent uploads. I cant keep up 😂

    • @VosperCDN
      @VosperCDN Před měsícem +5

      I don't feel so bad now, it is a bit of a full time job, isn't it?

    • @Legalgodzilla
      @Legalgodzilla Před měsícem +9

      Rookie

    • @johnd5740
      @johnd5740 Před měsícem +8

      True OGBBs can.

    • @TheCanagoose
      @TheCanagoose Před měsícem +6

      Speak for yourself. I run out of "new simon" in one day after not listening for just my weekend (mon-wed) every week.

    • @demonflowerchild
      @demonflowerchild Před měsícem +4

      It's literally a full time job at this point😂

  • @Ms.Pronounced_Name
    @Ms.Pronounced_Name Před měsícem +3

    Regarding her looking young for her age, my grandfather was an absolute mutant when it came to looking his age. In a WW2 photo he's the oldest guy in his unit, but he looks 14. In his 40's he was mistaken for his wife's son (she was younger than him), and in his 70's he looked like his 40yo son's brother

  • @misterblakk3690
    @misterblakk3690 Před měsícem +6

    Actual former spies: "So here's the facts about how this all worked at that time!"
    Simon who definitely knows more about how spy work in the 70s worked: "I disagree."

  • @maironamakesstuff
    @maironamakesstuff Před měsícem +17

    36:23 It's possible with good genes - my mom was commonly mistaken for being in her early 30s when she was in her mid-40s. She still looks about 10 years younger than she really is. I seem to be following in her footsteps so far - I just hope it stays that way! 😅

    • @lindyjohnson4293
      @lindyjohnson4293 Před měsícem +2

      Came to comment the same. I’m in my mid-40s and most people believe I’m at least 10 years younger! And not said just kindly, but insistently. I have oily skin, use sunscreen religiously, and never smoked - all of which protect against wrinkles 😉

    • @u-neekusername4430
      @u-neekusername4430 Před měsícem

      Yep, another one here. All down my mother line, male & females, all look 10yrs younger, n even less if they keep physically fit. I've had people insist that I'm lying about my age & demand ID (n not at a bar), but honestly, these days I just avoid mentioning my age at all & just go with whatever they think it is. LOL

    • @Luubelaar
      @Luubelaar Před 6 dny +1

      I have a friend who looked so much younger than he really was for a very long time. He finally stopped getting carded when buying alcohol when he was nearly 40. He grew a beard out of desperation to actually look like an adult.

  • @dusso4231
    @dusso4231 Před měsícem +3

    Actual professional spy: “it doesn’t work like that.”
    Simon: “Yes it does!!”
    Lol

  • @theferalindian8434
    @theferalindian8434 Před měsícem +20

    My wife removes all tags from her clothing. It's not uncommon. She doesn't like the feeling of tags rubbing on her skin. Usually someone with sensory issues or sensitive skin will remove every single tag from all the clothing they own to avoid the rubbing of the material from clothing tags.

    • @bboops23
      @bboops23 Před měsícem +4

      I used to do the same thing and now most shirts have the tag printed. She also had eczema cream in her bag

    • @truxton1000
      @truxton1000 Před 21 dnem

      It's not only the tags, the missing tags was just one of MANY open questions, but the missing tags confirms that something very unusual with this woman.

  • @Ohforgodssakethatsme
    @Ohforgodssakethatsme Před měsícem +16

    I don't get why someone would go to the trouble of cutting tags out of clothing, removing lenses from glasses, etc. To hide their victim's identity instead of just getting rid of the stuff. She also seems to have gone out of her way to make herself memorable; people, like the shoe salesman, remembered her clearly weeks after. I'm thinking she intended for something to happen to her and wanted her things found but not identified. Why, though?

    • @hwplugburz
      @hwplugburz Před měsícem +5

      All good points, but I dont think she nesersearly went out of her way to make herself memorable...
      I think what would be an almoest perfect disguise in any metropolitan european city in 1970 would stick out like a sour thumb in a "rulal norwegian fishingvillage" due to cultural diffeances..
      I may be scolded by some for saying Norways 2`nd biggest city is a "rural fishingvillage", but compeard to Paris, Brussels or London, I think it realy was back in 1970.. (and Stavanger even more so at the time..)

  • @migangelmart
    @migangelmart Před měsícem +54

    Amazed that he was "vaguely familiar" with this, because typically he's familiar with absolutely nothing

    • @Plaprad
      @Plaprad Před měsícem +1

      I think he was referring more to the feeling of having no clue what was going on. Probably just confused that with knowing the story.

    • @gk5891
      @gk5891 Před měsícem +1

      He could almost be an Amercan Zoomer.

    • @eksaus42
      @eksaus42 Před měsícem +6

      He did a biographics video about her 2 years ago

    • @Bildgesmythe
      @Bildgesmythe Před měsícem +2

      He did do a video about her on another of his channels

    • @better.better
      @better.better Před měsícem +1

      some of these topics does so many videos of for the different channels that he knows the stories by heart. most probably it's more surprising to him that he doesn't remember something then that he does. in this case it's probably the name doesn't ring a bell at the start, but then once he gets into it he probably realizes he remembers the smaller details. this happens to me all the time at my job. I do retail inventory for a living so I go to a lot of different stores, and there's a lot of times I think I've never been to a particular one, but then when I get there I'll be standing in a particular spot and all the sudden a memory will snap into place. with regards to Simon there's a lot of times where he spoils what the writer is writing one line ahead as he starts remembering the details from a previous video

  • @EllEmm1313
    @EllEmm1313 Před měsícem +14

    Generally "John Doe" is used in the UK by the police. "Joe Bloggs" or "John Smith" can also be used but not usually in legal / criminal matters, you'd be more likely to see them as anonymous sources for journalists etc.

  • @Aoibhe_Ni
    @Aoibhe_Ni Před měsícem +12

    One small point.
    Tags cut out of clothing means absolutely nothing. I do it to all my clothes, because the tags itch. There's nothing at all spyish about me, I'm afraid.

    • @lucietigger1641
      @lucietigger1641 Před měsícem +2

      I was thinking 2 similar things around the tags being cut out.
      The woman had excema - if her skin was very prone to itching and irritation, maybe cutting all tags out had become just habit to avoid further scratching and reactions.
      Also - the whole cutting labels out is something I've heard of in other insilved cases, but mainly pre or just after post war era. I suspect that clothes producers and retailers were pretty niche and so someone could be track to a country or city by an item. But by the 70s in the time of mass production would it have still been so easy? I guess the names of a national clothing chain is easier to spot but maybe less so. On the flip side of that, as global clothing markets in the west would have been slightly more joined up - even without tags I'm surprised nothing could have been made out looking at the styles and fashions of the clothes, colours and patterns and types of fabric to identify particular countries of origin.

    • @ivettegutierreztorres3211
      @ivettegutierreztorres3211 Před měsícem

      Can't fool Simon, you're a spy

  • @kayleecharles6307
    @kayleecharles6307 Před měsícem +3

    Simon: “but why were her tags cut off?!??!!”
    Previously also Simon: “her luggage included eczema cream”
    😅

  • @WesmacWorldwide
    @WesmacWorldwide Před měsícem +5

    My opinion is she wasn’t a spy, she was a high class sex worker. She pissed off the wrong rich person and she took a forever sleep.

  • @jenniferlindsey2015
    @jenniferlindsey2015 Před měsícem +24

    When is Coca-Cola Zero Sugar going to start sponsoring Simon’s videos. I’ve never seen anything else on his desk but coffee.

    • @NnH_Kairyu
      @NnH_Kairyu Před měsícem +2

      Speaking purely from a potential profit view, why give him free drinks that he already pays to drink? Any marginal increase in their sales based purely on what he has on his desk would be below a blip, and would already be part of their sales before even thinking of losing his money to give it to him for free. 😂
      If I was watching, as part of their marketing department, I see this as a free win.

    • @GenusMusic
      @GenusMusic Před měsícem

      ​@NnH_Kairyu giving one person free drinks when they have exposure to millions of people is exactly what a marketers job is. You're right he already buys the drinks, but giving them for free means he can convince way more people.

    • @NnH_Kairyu
      @NnH_Kairyu Před měsícem

      @@GenusMusic But it's already there on his desk. If someone was going to buy it based on what Simon drinks, it's already there. 😂

    • @better.better
      @better.better Před měsícem

      yeah it would make more sense to do if he wasn't already drinking a Coke product, so for example it might make sense for Pepsi to pay him to pretend to switch... supposing he gets enough views across all of his channels.

    • @better.better
      @better.better Před měsícem

      from that perspective it might make sense for him to actually hide which beverage that he's drinking with a self-branded koozie

  • @ignitionfrn2223
    @ignitionfrn2223 Před měsícem +6

    2:20 - Mid roll ads
    3:45 - Chapter 1 - A body is discovered
    8:55 - Chapter 2 - Initial investigation
    21:50 - Chapter 3 - The case re opened
    31:35 - Chapter 4 - Who was the isdal woman ?
    40:00 - Chapter 5 - A spy in our midst
    52:30 - Chapter 6 - Other theories
    58:00 - Conclusion

  • @luckyspurs
    @luckyspurs Před měsícem +15

    Ilze is the Danny of Decoding the Unknown.

    • @jrmckim
      @jrmckim Před měsícem +9

      Ilze is the Ilze of Decoding the Unknown

    • @luckyspurs
      @luckyspurs Před měsícem +5

      @@jrmckim A very fair correction. Apologies Ilze.
      Only meant as praise.

    • @davidspencer7254
      @davidspencer7254 Před měsícem +1

      Danny is the Ilze of Decoding The Unknown.

  • @malcolmcarter1726
    @malcolmcarter1726 Před měsícem +1

    Im surprised that I had never heard of this case before. Ive been studying crime mysteries for 40+ years now and this one eluded me.
    Thing is now we have this marvelous thing which actually does all your research for you and makes it good fun at the same time.
    Its called Simon Whistler and The Casual Criminalist!
    Thanking you much very.

  • @jrmckim
    @jrmckim Před měsícem +6

    There are usually 2 tags inside clothing. There's the brand tag and the washing instructions. Usually, the washing instructions are around the bottom and sown into the side stitching. The brand tag is up near the collar. The size is most likely going to be onnone of these tags. The tag around the collar is more likely to be removed since it touches the sensitive skin of the lower neck.
    If you remove both tags, I'd find that iffy. Having been an elementary teacher for almost a decade, many of my students have the tag around the collar removed but the one toward the bottom doesn't seem to bother them as much. Probably because that tag usually sits where the top of the pants are. Not saying some of them didn't cut off both tags, only that it's rare.

    • @settame1
      @settame1 Před měsícem +5

      Funny the one around the waist is the one that annoys me more because it tends to be bigger.

  • @GamingTeacher
    @GamingTeacher Před měsícem +32

    “Who falls forward into a fire?!” Let me introduce you to Christopher Titus as a teenager…

    • @DeathByBlonde1
      @DeathByBlonde1 Před měsícem +1

      😂😂😂😂 but wasn’t that “liquid courage” induced?

    • @Soppakauhanpainajainen
      @Soppakauhanpainajainen Před měsícem

      😂😂😂

    • @tamsel814
      @tamsel814 Před měsícem

      I also recall an episode of surviver where one contestant fell into the fire (I think they were in Australia).

    • @betaich
      @betaich Před měsícem +1

      @@DeathByBlonde1 she had a bottle of liquor on her so that isn't out of the question.

    • @peterbonucci9661
      @peterbonucci9661 Před měsícem +2

      Possibly someone with epilepsy. Falling down with a loss of consciousness near a fire happens.

  • @MrGozer23
    @MrGozer23 Před měsícem +11

    I don't think she was a spy, but she could be a con woman or she was hiding from someone who maybe caught up to her.

    • @itsapittie
      @itsapittie Před měsícem

      That’s plausible. However, there was a LOT of spy activity in Europe in the 60s and 70s.

  • @nargileh1
    @nargileh1 Před měsícem +1

    Aside from the heat, the unsettling thing of death valley is the lack of sounds, no birds, almost no wildlife, no leaves that rustle. Same feeling as a soundproofed room I once visited at a university.

  • @cornpowa
    @cornpowa Před měsícem +3

    I was leaning towards A Beautiful Mind type of situation. The school they think she attended made me think she was a mentally unwell lady that thought she was involved with a spy ring, but she caught the attention of people involved with real espionage and they took her out thinking she was a foreign asset. I like the art theft theory too though.

  • @daftirishmarej1827
    @daftirishmarej1827 Před měsícem +2

    The podcast for this was really good.
    Thanks for the extra bits and bobs!

  • @DebMustard
    @DebMustard Před měsícem +2

    There was an excellent podcast on this a few years ago on the BBC

  • @patriciaposthumus6684
    @patriciaposthumus6684 Před měsícem +4

    Good job Simon you just gave the networks and idea for a new CSI spinoff.

    • @mariakelly90210
      @mariakelly90210 Před 12 dny

      You also have to remember that everything Simon knows about spaceflight he learned from Stargate SG-1.

  • @jamesru1
    @jamesru1 Před měsícem +6

    Us Australian listening hearing him talk about the SOS only service we get that plus no service that SOS won't even work

  • @TrollbaitMage
    @TrollbaitMage Před měsícem +2

    it makes me think of the guy in Australian the Somerton Man.

  • @seanbinkley7363
    @seanbinkley7363 Před měsícem +11

    Yes, a true classic mystery of the internet. A great way to end the week DTU crew! Thank you!

    • @TheCanagoose
      @TheCanagoose Před měsícem +1

      CC crew? As in casual criminalist? Because this is DTU

    • @seanbinkley7363
      @seanbinkley7363 Před měsícem

      @@TheCanagoose Haha lol caught me out. But thanks I changed it. Could also go on CC too I suppose.

  • @Jason-fm4my
    @Jason-fm4my Před měsícem +4

    I spent two weeks in Bergen for work and it rained the entire two weeks straight. Apparently that's a normal occurrence in Bergen.

  • @emnorfolk5559
    @emnorfolk5559 Před měsícem +7

    I'm 48 and got id'd the other day for buying alcohol "are you over 25?". Made my day! 😁😂

    • @bo7341
      @bo7341 Před měsícem +4

      Lucky you...I'm in my 20s and instead of getting carded, my birth year was guessed as 1980.

  • @dimahrvatska7352
    @dimahrvatska7352 Před měsícem +4

    This was one of the most entertaining videos I’ve ever watched

  • @barkere51
    @barkere51 Před měsícem +3

    Easiest explanation - She was a sex worker, just as today where sex workers travel around various states and countries (now days advertised via Only Fans or Twitter). Guys were buying her stuff as part of payment for her services. She had wigs, various outfits, and potentially knew a variety of languages (all to meet the fantasies and needs of her clients). Also, this would explain why she was seen with a variety of men but none of those men ever came forward to say how they knew her.

    • @mariakelly90210
      @mariakelly90210 Před 12 dny

      Seriously, troll?

    • @barkere51
      @barkere51 Před 12 dny

      @@mariakelly90210 it is the easiest and most logical explanation. Nothing trolling about it.

  • @cuatro336
    @cuatro336 Před měsícem +3

    *Conspiracy theory Simon hates* : LISTEN TO THE EXPERTS, THERES NOTHING HERE.
    *Conspiracy theory Simon likes* : I completely disagree with the experts.

  • @curtislindsey1736
    @curtislindsey1736 Před měsícem +44

    For the love of god, Simon please stick with one mic. You're super loud one side projects and really quite on Decoding the Unknown. How dare you make me turn my phone volume up and down😂

    • @lijohnyoutube101
      @lijohnyoutube101 Před měsícem +2

      It’s shocking that someone could pick up on sound difference in that manner.

    • @gemmascupoftea
      @gemmascupoftea Před měsícem +1

      Oh I get that, I listen on my walk to work, so I make a play list of all the videos from the past week. You can imagine me half way to work pulling out my phone to adjust the sound. Lol (and yes I heard all the drilling.) ❤

    • @hutchio
      @hutchio Před měsícem +1

      ​@@lijohnyoutube101Watching videos from him back to back (say he releases two videos around the same time on different channels & you want to watch both), the difference is noticeable enough that those with normal hearing could pick up on it (some needing to adjust the volume). It's not the biggest difference, but it isn't that slight that it's shocking people would notice.

    • @BlessedChaos911
      @BlessedChaos911 Před měsícem

      ​@lijohnyoutube101 that's an acoustic thing to pick up on for sure

    • @lijohnyoutube101
      @lijohnyoutube101 Před měsícem +1

      @@hutchio I would never notice that or even process a sound adjustment in that manner. It’s astounding how different humans all are.

  • @TheCanagoose
    @TheCanagoose Před měsícem +7

    Thanks for another one simon and team. ❤️❤️❤️

  • @jclaxton5714
    @jclaxton5714 Před měsícem +4

    Finally! You did a shorter video on this and just been waiting for Decoding The Unknown!

  • @DizzyedUpGirl
    @DizzyedUpGirl Před měsícem +3

    One of my favorites! I've watched/listened to the Buzzfeed Unsolved video on it many times. So I'm over the moon that you've done a video on it (or shall I say, another video on it and a way longer one), and I have a new one to over consume.

  • @amaryllisart798
    @amaryllisart798 Před měsícem +10

    So like... The neurotypical idea that only spies cut the tags out of their clothes is a pretty limited world view. As a neurospicy person, I frequently cut the tag out of my shirts and pants, sometimes even pulling the tag out from under the stitching. The material that tags are made out of is usually stiffer and scratchier than the fabric of the clothing, especially back when I was younger. Cutting tags out of clothing can just be for comfort.
    Also, she doesn't have to be a spy to have multiple identities: she could be running from a bad-natured ex. The ex could just generally be a jerk, or involved in organized crime. Violence towards women was certainly a lot more common back then, so it's entirely possible that this woman was just trying to enjoy life, take a wild whirlwind of a vacation, or even just doing her best to escape her ex based on some pulp spy novels she'd read.
    Not to say that any of this is true, but I've noticed that, in a lot of cases like this, the majority of opinions tend to be from a masculine and neurotypical point of view. That's it! Keep up the great videos, though, Fact Boy.

  • @JamesAnderson-dp1dt

    I have a big objection.
    The ML - MM annotation is not the last entry.
    It is actually in the bottom left corner of the page, not in line with the Nov entries. It is this:
    "10 M
    ML23 N MM"
    It appears to refer to 10 March (it is located beneath the March - early May column).
    At the top of the March column was an entry for 10 March, but with no location or end date.
    The ML - MM entry appears to have been supplementary info for 10 March, dropped in later several inches under that column.
    If the entry reflects the standard format, it means "10 March -- traveled from ML23, through N, to MM".
    At another point she had N678 T N8 TOS, which meant Nov 6-8 Trondheim, then traveling later on Nov 8 from Trondheim, through Oslo, to Stavanger.
    In case you're wondering, in the first column she wrote dates as day-month ("10 M" for 10 March), then in the rest changed it to month-day ("A23" meaning 23 April).
    Apparently she learned that letter-number-letter (month - day -city) was a clearer annotation than number-letter-letter (day-month-city), especially when you might occasionally have to use two or more letters to designate a place or a route or a month (she later uses "JJ" for July).

  • @senaruryuin2773
    @senaruryuin2773 Před měsícem +2

    I don't know if you've covered it before, but mentioning Death Valley at the start of this episode reminded me of the Death Valley Germans mystery- It'd be an interesting story to cover if you haven't!

  • @tamlandipper29
    @tamlandipper29 Před měsícem +6

    The argument that a Soviet spy wouldn't make mistakes (like being memorable) seems a little overly generous.

    • @jagodadelega8130
      @jagodadelega8130 Před měsícem +3

      Also, making a memorable persona is a good way of hiding too. If you fake a limp or wear a red wig, they'll search for someone with a limp or red hair and not the real person. You can set people on a wild goose case after someone who doesn't exist.

  • @dakotaflower9464
    @dakotaflower9464 Před měsícem +4

    Lisbeth Salander. This story reminds me of the "Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" series.

    • @eadweard.
      @eadweard. Před měsícem

      You'd need to be more specific really.

  • @kristianjensen6104
    @kristianjensen6104 Před 5 dny

    I am born and raised in Bergen, and have spent most of my life here. For me, the biggest issue I have in regards to the suicide theory, boils down to the geography of Bergen. I am an avid hiker, and, as a matter of fact, just two days ago I hiked in the Isdalen area. Here is the thing: The Isdal woman checked out of her hotel at 10:30 am and then took a taxi to the train station. This would be, depending on traffic, about a 7-10 minute drive. We also know that witnesses reported seeing smoke from the Isdalen area around noon. Furthermore, the partially melted wristwatch found next to her body, had frozen at the time 12 : 32. We can therefore assume that time of death probably was some time between noon and 12:30 pm.
    This leaves between 75-90 minutes for the Isdal woman to get from the train station to the isolated forest patch where she was found, In order to make it from the train station to this part of Isdalen in this time frame you would have to walk extremely fast. Basically you would have to run for 75-90 minutes straight with no breaks. Even for an active hiker like me, it would be difficult. However, considering all the stuff that was found at the crime scene, this would be, I would argue, pretty much an impossible feat, considering everything she would have to carry. If we ,in addition, assume that she had swallowed dozens of sleeping pills before she arrived at the spot where she died,, it would be even more unlikely.
    It is possible, in theory, that she could have taken another taxi, or a bus, for part of the stretch, but even if you get off at the closest current bus stop to Isdalen, you would still need to hike at a brisk pace for 45 - 50 minutes to get to the forest patch where the body was ultimately found. However, no taxi drivers, bus drivers or bus passengers, observed the Isdal women in the relevant time frame.
    The only possibility left is therefore that she must have been driven in a private car for most of the stretch. Which means that there must have been other people with her pretty much up until her death.

  • @magnusgreel275
    @magnusgreel275 Před měsícem +2

    "There's no CSI L London"
    Poor Silent Witness :p

  • @pr0xZen
    @pr0xZen Před měsícem +3

    You know, especially back then, much of the work of the security services were to run down individuals _suspected_ of being foreign intelligence assets or associated with such. If they were all any good at their jobs, that in itself would suggests quite a lot of suspects looked into turned out _not_ to be associated with foreign intelligence (security services need to cast a wide net, otherwise you're gonna miss and overlook a whole bunch of real threats that do a good surface job).
    Given the state of such affairs here in Norway back in the 70s, just the details of the initial police and media reports would be plenty of reason for the services to look into this case. And if they did so with a heavy hand, even if they didn't find anything, that heavy handed intrusion could have been reason enough to kill the police investigation. To minimize the risk of who and how intervened ending up in official police reports or court documents further down the line.

  • @fehmeh6292
    @fehmeh6292 Před měsícem +4

    People used to cut off clothing tags because they were damned uncomfortable.

  • @--enyo--
    @--enyo-- Před měsícem +1

    I knew this one would come up eventually! Thanks Ilze, Simon, and team.

  • @aremoreequal
    @aremoreequal Před měsícem +1

    5:14 in the US, that is definitely a 911 call. I've called the non-emergency police number to report a dead pet dog that I found on the side of the road (it had a collar on it) and they patched me through to 911 for that, so I think a burned person would definitely be a 911 call. 911 is directly to the dispatcher, they're the ones who have the ability to dispatch all the correct and necessary things, if you call the non-emergency police number you get beat cop at the desk who doesn't have the ability to dispatch police officers and such, and so he's just going to patch you through to 911.

  • @skleedleplotchnu3713
    @skleedleplotchnu3713 Před měsícem +5

    this is one of the quietest videos on youtube. Have to be quick on the controls to prevent deafness when ads come on

  • @sirshrubberyvonfoliagethef3332

    Turn your volume up Whistle Boi.

    • @Martin_Koepl
      @Martin_Koepl Před měsícem

      Good, so I am not the only one. The damn background music is to dominant in the mix.

  • @bevjackson7853
    @bevjackson7853 Před měsícem +1

    The pod is definitely worth listening to I found on BBC Sounds 9 years ago whilst on holiday. Ok😊 thx Simon great reminder of this case

  • @filmparrico1754
    @filmparrico1754 Před měsícem +1

    Bravo. This one was a belter!