Building the BEST House: Full Metal Roof Installation Details
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- čas přidán 20. 01. 2023
- In this episode of building the best house, we go thru the full metal roof installation. This includes all the details I thought necessary to understand the process. I show metal roofing layout, trim details, Full Metal Valley Install, and ridge cap.
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As a former aircraft mechanic in the USAF we had a saying we lived by, "attention to detail". I love watching the attention to detail you give to your profession. I hope I can find a builder like you if I have a house built. I love the post frame concept.
20 year nuclear navy submariner here, i feel the same way you do.
I am fully impressed! It’s just a complete czcams.com/users/postUgkxGqOCINHE0Z0E5gxzSdNi9NWGugRY5Hm2 plan with the best resources and step by step instructions . These shed plans are so satisfying as if the sheds build themselves on their own. Worthy work Ryan!
I'm sure y'all may have tried it but in case you haven't thought about it, you should run the long side of a ratchet strap through the core of those ice and water rolls and make Greg a loop so he doesn't have to wingspan those rolls to unroll them. I used the ratchet strap through the core of my house wrap rolls to hang the roll on one corner of my house so I could pull out the whole side and staple back to the roll. Worked great and made it easy for 1 person to manage the roll and keep it straight
If you don’t use special larger shank screws going directly into plywood your screws will eventually back out. We put 1x4’s down whenever we go on top of OSB to give the screws some solid wood to hold on to.
Which, most screws still need to be re-tightened or replaced eventually.
Watching your videos has helped me big time when I did my first metal roof last year!
Home builder here ✋🏻 Man you guys do awesome work, your a legend in the north. Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦
Great work as always gents, you are the only person I've heard talk about stretching or shrinking those panels my dad pops taught me when I started.✌️✌️
Great communication. I appreciate the attention to detail and your openness to how you decided the method you use. Thanks
Awesome video! I will be taking lots of tips and using them on our next valleys and roofs! Thanks 🙏⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
I’ve never seen such an awesome weather/moisture proofed system in my life, we’ll done!
Kyle. I hope you get well soon. No one likes to feel like crap, especially at work. Great video and great info. I have had something since Christmas and believe me I am ready to see this thing gone. Keep up the great work.
Beautiful work guys, as always. Take good care of yourself Kyle.
what I like in this realization is the sense of detail so that no drop of water passes.
This was the highlight of my Saturday morning. Thanks for the great content.
Great video, good education on valley installation and sheet metal craftsmanship.
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40 year carpenter here;
My favorite shoes to wear on the steeper metal roofs is skate shoes, aka, skateboard shoes. VANS are my favorite, but, DC's, OP's, etc...are good too. The tight tread pattern & softer rubber have a badass grip!!
I've never bothered hemming the bottom of my w-metal because it can't be seen if gutters are being used, but, I've always cut & folded the rib like you do. As far as valley panels go, OG triple techniques are my way of conquering valleys... a chalk line in the valley, a framing square held to the previous panel & finding where 3' hits the valley line. Nothing but good old Malco Andy's, with coated handles (for what, 10-15 years now) & the standard lefts, rights & straights. Cut on the ground with a knee holding one side down, a hand holding one side up & the other hand snipping away! 🤣😂 I like the ridge cap dive though, I've always stopped mine even with the valley panels & left the valley open, everything cut, folded & sealed tight tho. You should definitely show how to terminate ridge cap at the gable sometime. That ridge cap has more bends than the standard cap does, but, same technique, I would imagine...cut to the bends & fold accordingly. 👍
I have recently used my Dewalt DCS579 Track saw with a metal cutting blade and cut the sheets on the valley upside down. it leaves a perfectly straight and clean cut and its also quick. you should give it a try mate.
I am blown away with the details you include in your metalwork. Outstanding every time. New details that I have never seen before. Common details done better than I have seen before.
We love watching you work you do amazing job, airborne for the cold chewables is what I like, it really helps
Another nice video Kyle/Greg. Like to see more of the math formulas, i don't spend a lot of time in the " Construction Pro" app to be proficient. Will be starting my shop this summer and got drawing and cut list to start with.
Kyle
A handy tool used in the hvac world is the malco folding tool. I believe it comes in a few lengths. Check it out for your valley bends at bottom.
Man thank you so much! I've watched quite a few your videos and they're always very informative. This is the first time you've done a metal roof that's the same material I am installing on my house next week and the Valley comes together with 2 pitches. Your timing couldn't be better! Here in Florida we have to install our peel and stick horizontally because of high winds. Otherwise the metal installation looks the same. Couple small things I wasn't 100% sure about and you've made it very clear thank you again!
We always run underlayment horizontal, and there are quick and easy ways to get your angle, but that works ok too,
Beautiful, precise work. Bravo
Thanks for filming Kyle! 👍😁
35:39 your a beast man. Walking on frosted metal roofs with untied tennis shoes….2023 goals.
Appreciate all the videos you guys make time to put out on the jobs. Wish i could work with you guys for a while just to learn more and hone my skills. Great job.
This is done very well, great work. Everyone who keeps saying it need to be standing seem metal has either never done standing seam and had to pay for it. I totally understand why you like standing seam but most of the stuff your doing only has a couple of valleys so you can get away with charging less to install than a roof that would have 5-9 gables which would require almost every piece to be cut. The screw down metal comes at a decent price point for most consumers and it’s not going to leak. You will have to replace screws every 15-20 years but the cost savings over standing seam $$$. Thanks for the video and great quality work.
Got a solid chuckle out of Greg getting his 'leg work' while carrying the rolls to the truck and then next shot is of him getting his 'lats and delts' workout rolling down the freeze guard...
You guys do amazing work!!
35 years experience roofing Old homes I've learned a few tricks and here in Franklin county Vermont i have the metal jobs everywhere and they look great my reputation is excellent
Absolutely beautiful job. I'm at construction to and I think I would trust you with my house .
Great video the attention to detail is awesome
Great work. This video was over 38 minutes. Loved every minute of it. I enjoyed the detail which was supported by rock solid math.
We always struck a line to have nice straight ridges and hips, definitely more noticeable when capping hips though. But I just found your channel, and you do great work,Kyle! I just got laid off. I worked at a production line making rvs so me and my good friend partnered up and we’re working on building our business. Doing roofs, porches, decks, Barnos and ect. Watching some of your videos has opened my eyes to new things I wanna try so i appreciate all the hard work and attention to detail you really do amazing work. I love watching builders who care about their profession and enjoy the little details of quality 💯
I bet you live in Northern Indiana! We just had a layoff at my plant but I survived the cut but I'm also doing construction on my days off... I did construction for 15 years before starting in RV'S 2+ years ago.
Nice work man! I wish you were closer to Pennsylvania. Would love to hire you for a future pole building!
As always great job even better explanation I'm curious about the valley flashing why not tape the edges over your nail penatrations probably would never get water to them but it just seems like something you would do thank you
Good video! Thanks for sharing!
impressive work and amazing skils wow greetings from the netherlands
Looks great Kyle
Water protection sheets have to be installed in from one side of the roof to the other and not from the top of the roof to the bottom like in this presentation. Because if the metal sheeting starts leaks water it flows down the roof but not necessary in strait a line which means it could go under the water barrier sheet. If the water barrier sheets are along the whole roof side, each sheet overlapping the bottom sheet all the way to the top, there is no way the water can run under the water barrier. You may say, that all the sheets are completely sealed with adhesive but this adhesive can be weekend by moisture and eventually degrade.
Actually not true
@@RRBuildings Tarco installation demonstration below has it opposite to your method. czcams.com/video/Ywj9YdYnGW8/video.html
I can't believe you're the only one who noticed the first thing he did was wrong lmao. Horizontal ice and water, think like a rain drop.
@@59chandler I thought the same thing.
I know the one guy says to watch the tarco video but I don't care what the video says. You are right about the layout. There is nothing gained and everything to lose by their vertical layout.
They are doing it properly can you see the fasteners from your coach these men do great work
Was wondering if you can do a video someday (tool Saturday?) about the Metabo tools you have and go over the pros and cons.
Another awesome video thank you Kyle! However I was taught to put ice and water horizontally but you installed it vertically. Please share spec on ice and water that says you can run it vertical… put it horizontal so water can roll off and not under?
I was wondering the same thing. In another area it was ran horizontal. Curious as to the logic.
Grace calls out that it can be ran either way in their engineering details. Some local codes, think hurricane country, only allow horizontal though.
Nice work 👍👍
Kyle noticed when you did the valley section you had the ice and water shield below the drip edge. But on the first section the ice and water shield overlapped the drip edge.
Ya I noticed that too, I always install ice and water over the drip edge never under.
Another Great Video!
You guys do great work
I so wish I could find a builder like you in NE Kansas!
Awesome work. I really like no fastener roofs.
SO IMPRESSIVE!!!
Hey Kyle! Big fan. Love your work and videos. Just wondering why you didn't go with a standing seam metal roof? I would think that would be a better choice for "Building the Best House" Wishing you continued success!
Client choice… I wanted to and would always recommend but it’s much much more expensive
What shoes do you recommend for roofing best grip?
Great work impressive
Never had to cut sheet metal before, so this may be a dumb question, but could you not use a track saw, instead of the nibbler, laid across all the ribs to make those long straight angled cuts? I heard you say something about shavings, so maybe that is the reason, but wondering if it was something you ever tried (or already know that wouldn't work). Thanks for all the great content and explanations of your craft!!
We bought a Jamesway square for our Valley angles works fantastic. I know you like to do the math. I hate doing the math.😀
I'm adding a new wood shop to my existing garage and I'm going to put a metal roof on it - 700sq ft of roof 6/12 pitch; was quoted $17K. Going to do it myself - these details are exactly what I need to do - thanks for sharing!!
Bro that’s like $2500 per SQ
@@manifestmetalroofing Yep. Materials are $3,900 delivered (arriving in a week).
Feel better i had that cold early January its still hanging on almost killed me of course I'm 75 so sickness hits hard.
We always run the short roof first run the ridge then the long roof goes over but that's good too
Yes there are some metal shavings but I bet the track saw set deep with a metal cutting blade would make quick and clean work cutting those panels.
Ice and water shield was made to put on horizontally at the bottom edge of the roof to keep ice from creeping uphill from bottom edge underneath the roof material--shingles, metal roof, tile, etc. The ice doesn't stick to the bitutain sobit can't grow/creep uphill from the edge. I really think it needs to go on horizontally, especially if you cover whole roof. You lose your water expulsion lap if you don't run it horizontal starting at bottom going to top to get you lap right. Also read directions to make sure you have it installed correctly at the bottom to stop ice creep.
No it doesn't. Nobody has ever lapped ice and water shield up the rake or a valley. When it adheres to itself it will essentially form one sheet. The reason you almost always see it applied horizontally is because it is usually applied to eave locations. You literally just watched a video of two professionals install a metal roof that is not positively lapped and you've probably never questioned that.
Well. There were a few hundred multimillion$$ houses built in the Truckee/Tahoe area back about '99-2000+ and everyone of them put the bituthane (Grace Ice and Water Shield) on horizontally and DID lap the valleys the way a good roofer would. It's just like framers. Some are hacks and take short cuts. You don't know it till you start installing doors and windows and finish work. You really appreciate framers who attend to detail and do things right if your a finish guy. Now if Grace has said in their instructions that it's OK to install it vertically, then it's OK. But if it's just roofers say it's OK, then ....😂😂😂 BTW, Grace I&W she'd was made to just put a horizontal strip from the edge of the eve the width of the strip to keep ice from crawling back up the roof under the shingles or tin. It was only the rich who could afford to put it on the whole roof. Great if you can. But, you can put it on anyway you like. You can frame anyway you want🤣🤣 But this guy is my kind of builder. He frames like a finish guy. So, he may have check with Grace and found out they approve of vertical install??
You can't get a more professional job on that roof than you and Greg.
It is interesting the way you orientated the peal n seal roof underlayment, is there any advantage to laying it that way other then laying it down
that's the angle i was looking for @16:08 😊😊😊
Hmm? Flashing on the first side was installed on the plywood with the ice shield over. Perfect. The valley side has the flashing over the top of the ice shield? Like an old roofer of 55 years reminded me: "water runs downhill". Any condensation under the metal will run under the flashing and come into contact with the substrate. In the long run, I doubt it will have a bad affect on the building. But since you are doing such a great job on the rest, next time you might consider doing as you did on the first side. Not trying to pick on you. To rectify the misplaced flashing, you could have used your tape or strips of the ice shield to seal the upper edge of the drip cap. As a retired builder, I would be glad to use use you as a sub.
So, I am putting a metal roof on an unvented timber frame home in Michigan. I plan on putting 3.5" foil faced polyiso directly on the roof deck to add more insulation (because 1/3 of my house has no attic space). I then plan on taping the foam board and then placing I&W shield on the entire surface. I plan on venting my roof by running purlins first vertically across the deck, then horizontally to create an air gap. I will then place the metal on top. Do you think this will cause any condensation issues in my house? I am hoping the air gap will help.
Let the steel be your guide...words to live by.
Is the barndo build complete? Any plans for a full walk through? Keep up the awesome work!
That's the plan!
Hey Kyle. I was wondering what kind of ¼ bits do you guys use? The screw doesn't look like it wobbles at all when you run it in!👍🏻
Why did you run ice water vertically versus diagonally so there is no back water lap? Just Curious if you had a specific reason
I love your videos, because I’ve learned so much. I’m curious about the ice and water shield running lengthwise instead of horizontally and shingled in? I’m sure there’s a good reason so I’m not judging I’m just curious.
Good Day!
Awesome work. The attention to detail is something missing nowadays.
With punching the roofs, i've wondered for years, how do you account for the stagger in the perlins? Are you counting sheets or what?
What do you think about the "lifetime" metal screws with the cup shaped head to fully capture the rubber seal so it's not exposed to sunlight for the corrugated panels? Seems to make sense to me, but it doesn't seem like many people are using them yet. With the main weakness to the corrugated panels vs standing seam/hidden fastener being the longevity of the screws, I wondered what your thoughts are.
I really like the lifetime metal screws. We use WoodZAC screws everyday for our metal roofing company. These screws have a zinc alloy cap over the head and rubber seal.
These screws are a very popular up sell and I think you should check them out Kyle!
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Hey man i really enjoy your content. you've helped me a lot with bringing my metal work from pretty good to next level so I thank you very much! i am confused though. I have never seen any underlayment laid down vertically... why are you doing that here? does that have something to do with the ice & water? Yet, I've studied Ice and water a lot and I've still never seen this technique. Could you explain please?
Ok now I'm really confused. In the first 11 minutes of this video your underlayment is installed vertically later in the video You're underlayment it's horizontal like I am used to seeing... PLEASE help me to understand your purpose behind that.
🤣 do your best then caulk the rest!! People will love that in the comments!! Made me laugh pretty good!!! Love the video like always great work today like always again you 2!!!
Does it matter if you screw down metal roofing in valleys or on the ribs. I've seen it done both ways. I live in East Texas and I plan on installing a metal roof soon over existing shingles with 1x4 lathes. Thanks for your time.
He wasn’t lying a lot of CZcams trolls in the comments😂…great work guys and there’s always room for improvement like you already said no need for me to be negative
That's because this guy does chit work obviously you don't know chit either😂😂😂
Hard Dawg! Being under the WX makes for shite working icnditions especially when the WX conditions are also bordering shite for real... well done builder warriors.
Forget the calf workout. That's a forearm workout for gregg unrolling the ice n water membrane 🤣🤣
Have you ever miss the hole punch and damage panels? Just curious as you swing pretty comfortably
Wondering what length roof capping are you using? They seem kind of short, I would have thought longer and less joins would be better?
It appeared that you laid the weather underpayment horizontally on one side of the roof and vertically one the other side of the roof. Why? Does it make any difference which way you lay the underlayment? Thanks
I noticed ice and water shield over as well as under drip edge eaves. Is this based on conditioned space?
Why is the ice & shield underlayment run vertically on one roof plane, then run horizontally on the roof plane where you detailed the valley?
I have a double wide house and it only has 2/12 pitch with shingles and it has small overhangs. I want to put on new rafters at 4/12 pitch and put steel rooking on it. I also want to make the overhangs longer. What would be a good length for an overhang? Mine are only 8"
Do u ever come to Michigan to build I want to build a post frame building and wish I could have u do it
Just a question... I thought the screw in this type of panel is suppose to go on the hill not the valley of the sheet. Was told this is because majority of water runs in the valley of the metal not the hill. Love your content. Much respect in regards to your skills and quality of work. Learning so much.
Manufacturers want you to screw in the lows per their instructions. That said, I have always screwed into the highs. Just have to be careful not to overtighten. I have been doing this for 30 years with no issues. Someone made the comment that screwing only into OSB will have backouts. Never had that happen either but I am installing on 1/2" OSB.
If one was to use footers and posts instead of the entire foundation are we setting footers 8ft ?
You put the water & ice horizontally on the valley side and from the opposite side you folded over the peak. Do you cut out the peak later for vent? Could you elaborate on the water & ice layout? Thanks
I was wondering why they ran the underlayment vertically on what appeared to be the main part of the building, and horizontally on the places where they had valleys. I must admit, that's the first time I've ever seen underlayment ran perpendicular to the roof line. Maybe it doesn't matter with this material?
I was also wondering about the Water and Ice underlayment. I’ve never seen this underlayment or it’s proper application but I know that roofing felt is rolled out horizontally starting at the bottom of the roof.
What’s the best brand name and kind of ice and water shield to use under the steel roofing?
Requiring a ridge vent is not the heat, but vapor accumulation. Ice&water is 0 perm and your ridge would 100% rot over time in a hot roof/conditioned attic
We do things abit different in New Zealand. Looks good but can someone tell me why would you put a screw in the pan and not on the rib.
Hi Kyle, I have metal toof on my cabin and sometimes I have to shovel snow and I have to go up, especially in the valleys and I would like to know if you could tell me about a place where I can buy shoes with a magnet for better support and avoid an accident, I settled in California... thanks
Question:. I was once told to screw thru the rib?? What ya think??
Big RR fan. A query: Why not drip edge below the ice&water? Wouldn't installing the drip edge before the I&W "shingle" the drainage better?
I would agree...two things, first the ice and water was installed prior to having my metal package delivered...second I am not concerned with potential water under the roof , the ice and water was used specifically to self seal all of my screws penetrations. I am not worried about bulk water being under my metal
Why not put the underlayment on horizontal
What were those sauna tubes you used called and how did you get them?
Did the peel and stick underlayment you put on state that you could run it vertical? I heard this would void the warranty and also would not keep water intrusion out completely.⁷