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- čas přidán 26. 05. 2024
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The fact that Alan Wake II has MULTIPLE (2-3 depending on how you look at it). Musical sections to break up the dark tones sound crazy, and it would never work. But it somehow defies all logic and works incredibly well.
It's so true
I haven't hit one of those yet. But, I've been playing for 8-10 hours and feel like I've made no progress.
@@outlaw451 here are the chapters where you run into them, check wich chapter based of your Saves.
Saga: Chapter 3 Local Girl (Ahti sings Yontön Yön in one of the Buildings)
Alan: Chapter 4 We Sing (just you wait)
Saga: Chapter 7 Summoning (you will know when it happens)
@@outlaw451 that's just the gameplay dragging you down. I recommend changing to easy. The game was a boring slog (not difficult, just tedious and unfun) until I lowered to easy where I was able to get to the good stuff sooner (literally anything else)
@@diablotry5154 wrong lol
That is a game where I question if I’m having “fun” the gameplay is wild and unlike anything else… but I don’t know if I would consider it an”good time” 😂
Ye literally. I can appreciate how good it is and for what it's trying to achieve its undeniably a 10/10. But everytime I play it its just depressing.
It's why so many people love the Berserk manga. Yes, there are some seriously f-ed up and miserable moments in the story, but there are also moments of beauty, reflection, companionship, humanity, and love intertwined in the story that makes all of the sandness so so worth it.
Dont forget puck
Puck is the happy pill to wash down all the doom and gloom
@@slipipipi7971Puck was ruined after 2 arcs. He used to have depth and actually push Guts to question things and change, and then occasionally would be goofy chibi Puck with meta references. And he’s literally ALWAYS chibi now and has none of that depth. He become purely comic relief and nothing else. Massive disappointment.
My only serious criticism of the character writing in Berserk. Puck deserved better.
They went all in on subverting expectations until it was a game I simply didn’t want to play anymore
The more depressing the miserable the better for me 😅 They went all in on it the way very few games dare to. I loved The Last of Us Part 2.
absolutely agree with this. what i find is that it wa s breath of fresh air since a lot of AAA games follow what they think is tolerable by mainstream audiences.
Right. Mfs just always want that stale ass “happily ever after” and when they dont get it, then all of a sudden the story is “lazy” just because important characters got killed off.
(Spoilers for Mad Max)
For example, recently I was watching people play Mad Max and mfs said the story was lazy cuz hella people die at the end like 😂😂😂 how did you expect this shit to go in the world they live in??
People are so conditioned to thinking the main villains in fictional stories ALWAYS have to “take their time” with or “spare” named characters before they actually lose or die in order to give the named character that extra plot-armor time to get out of a deadly situation or to get saved.
Imagine if they made it so that Scrotus didn’t kill anybody important just because “the audience wouldn’t like that”. Or if they only made him kill 1 person and spare everyone else for whatever reason and unnecessarily watered down his ruthlessness just to cater to the audience smdh.
Max started alone, and he ended alone.
Ellie started with everyone she cared about and ended with almost none.
Thats literally just how shit goes in the world they live in. You go looking for trouble you’re GOING to lose people. It WILL happen.
That’s not lazy, it’s beautiful writing.
Mfs are so used to everything revolving around what they WANT to happen.
Garbage game you’re in the minority
That's why the last of us 1 is Goated! It didn't feel as miserable as part 2.
Part 2s story still is light years ahead of 1. It's so much better told. Not every game has to be feel good games, especially not the last of us.
@@sapphicmystery2734 cap😂😂😂 Because I definitely want to play the person that killed the best character in the game for half the fucking game
Abby or whatever the fuck her name is is one of the shittiest characters Ive ever seen. Only even remember who she is because of joel
The narrative and pacing is absolutely horrendous 1 is lightyears better@@sapphicmystery2734
@@sapphicmystery2734 What? lol, 2's story is a convoluted mess of trash ideas and terrible writing. So revenge is cool for Abby but not for Ellie? Not only that but they make you hate a character within the first 10 minutes of the game, then force you to play through the entire first half of the game as that character. The writing team for TLOU2 was on crack. It's horrible and could've been done so much better.
@@sapphicmystery2734No it isn’t…lol
Hmmm now I understand why in some story telling characters have moment of downtime. Chracters joke around, have fun inspite of the situation at hand. It is a form of break. Making you calm before the storm
I hated the game because they let nothing breathe or any moments of levity to contrast the extremely depressing story. Even in Shakespeare’s most gruesome tragedies he understood the necessity of having the jester be an integral part of the story.
Look!
Someone who didn’t play the game☝️
@@jesseoverdijk318Look!🖕
Someone making assumptions because he was no leg to stand on.😂
@@jesseoverdijk318????
@@marianrucareanu8802I can see why he would think that when the og comment is not really accurate.
@@SethG3600 maybe, but being a condescending asshat sure doesn't help people be on your side.
That’s kinda how I felt about the most recent dead space
I personally find horror games far more heavy than TLOU 1&2.
It got to the point where people just make up head cannon to explain how good the ending is. If anyone supports the ending, it's for reasons that are "off screen" or "implied"
So in other words you think the ending bad and anyone who disagrees with is doing so for irrational reason?
I disagree. I think the ending could have done with one more rewrite to polish it but for the most part the characters decisions are pretty clear and understandable on screen
@DemonicLemur
Just from what I've personally seen, anyone who defends the game or the ending or story just brings up
"well afterwards ellie did this off screen"
Where is this ever implied?
"Well you would know if you had game sense"
Same people will say "Ellie lost everything when she left Dina, there's no going back"
Tell people "Ellie goes back to the commune and raises the baby"
If any of these things are true and intended, you're right I don't understand the game at all. maybe I need to get high enough to make it make sense.
@@x0gucx If it's talking to Dina, it's the bracelet she wears in the ending
If it's her choice to let abby go, on screen it's pretty clear she doesn't want to fight this woman but does so thinking it will fix her issues but being in a winning position over Abby made her realize she didn't need to kill her
Again I think one more little rewrite to make her motivation to change her mind more clear but for the most part it does make sense
@@x0gucx or they like the ending for reasons that are very much shown.
Your initial statement assumes everyone who likes the ending is irrational. Its the same as saying that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong.
LOU2 has a lot of levity and love and hope. Like 1/4-1/3 of the damn game is flashbacks with Joel and Ellie having powerful moments together. Jfc
Does that say something about me as a person that I've never been fazed by any of that????
Ig so or maybe you are really good at filtering stuff out of your brain
You are like a otaku you have a mechanisms of defense called gore, nothing fazes you
Nah man you are ok the others are to sensitive
@@mihaicapra1108especially when it comes to lou2, people need to eat their bigot sandwiches xd
I mean most folks can seperate video games from reality. Atleast 10 years ago anyway. We live in a pretty delusional world right now.
In my opinion depressing stories are good stories
Yeah and some of my favorites are Xenoblade Chronicles 3 and the Nier games are absolutely haunting.
@arkofpolaris4646 two examples with levity between the harsh story telling. That's kinda the example Luke was trying to say.
Depressing stories told well are great.
Depressing stories told poorly are worse than a regular story told poorly.
Druckmann couldn't write his way out of a wet paper bag, and they shouldn't have let him off a leash like George Lucas in the prequels.
So am I just different then where I love their to be lots of dark themes? It’s one of the reasons I loved attack on titan so much
I love stuff like Black Mirror, but giving the audience a breather is important. Levity not just in a comedic sense, but something as simple as a brief flash of romance or a small victory for the heroes, or a humbling moment of defeat for the villain.
These moments reward the audience for their endurance, and it them rally their strength for the next gut punch.
This is why even in shows like Black Mirror you get episodes like “San Junipero”, “Hang the DJ” (my personal favorite).
I love dar themes too. My favourite type of games and movies^^
There's nothing wrong, but it's something that you should perfectly understand why it's such a problem for others. I think that's why it was so divisive with people. I didn't like what I experienced nor the story beats as I watched the characters I fell in love with get completely demolished as part of the experienced.
This is coming from someone who KNEW Joel was getting the axe (or golf club in this case) before the sequel was coming. I just wasn't prepared for the route they took.
I was harsh on the game, but in no universe would I expect others to feel the way I do. Because I acknowledge people like you exist and shouldn't feel bad for liking it. Simply understand why people didn't like it. These are risks for a reason.
AoT is not just misery and despair though. There’s also a lot of epicness, heroism, mystery and sense of wonder. I haven’t played TLoU2, but from what I understand it’s just very depressing throughout and the vengeance story doesn’t take a satisfying or liberating turn it just stays miserable.
@@MerryBlindAs miserable as the main story is, the levity within the narrative comes with Abby’s storyline with the literal embodiment of levity within the character Lev (perhaps intentionally made to be on the nose?) Abby’s story isn’t one without loss of course, but Lev lightens a lot of the emotional burden, but i guess that kind of relief comes if the player is willing to accept Abby’s narrative precedence.
TLoU2 is really a work of art. Fun games will always be less memorable when talking about story. For me the musical sequence in AW2 completely broke the immersion, sacrificing the game's depth for the sake of being more paletable.
Truth, if you ever need to work on a story with darker themes, take inspiration from One Piece. Some very dark moments throughout but still holds out and keeps smiles from vindication and funny moments.
But One piece isn't a story ultimately about being dark, so that doesn't really work.
Imagine if Berserk were written like One Piece. It wouldn't be anywhere near as great as it is.
One piece is very light hearted. Yes it has dark themes but the story is light hearted. That is not what they were going for in the last of us. The story woyldnt work if they did that
One piece doesnt even have crap for dark moments. What are you even talking about, people who enjoy one piece are just dumbest people I swear. That series is so trash as a whole and drags on the story just way too much for it to be even remotely okay.
@@NeowMeowhuh? Doesn’t have any dark themes whatsoever? Clearly you never watched lmao come on bruh. There’s literally a whole arc about how a scientist kidnapped children by telling them that they were sick and that they had to be taken away from their parents to a faraway secret island but the reality was those mfs weren’t really sick, he just wanted to experiment on them with a drug he was working on. The only reason they were even found (obviously for the plot) was because luffy is a crazy mf and likes going to the crazy islands with the most action cause ya know he about that action 🗣. But yea to say one piece doesn’t have dark themes like bruh.
@ryosuketakahashi5731 ooooh yeeeah so dark and totally not a concept that's been done 200 times before. You named 1 dark theme which is the most stereotypical creepy bad guy thing.
Final Fantasy 6 was very depressing, but the comic relief sections really balanced it out.
Im more convinced niel needed that contrast he got from bruce straley (the first games director), bruce was able to reel in niels outlandish ideas, and bruce was also the one who said "we need some levity here" and they came up with the giraffe scene.
There's also different levels of being emotionally drained. Being mentally taxed playing TLOU2 and mentally taxed playing COD mp are different beasts
Miserable stories is best to experience once. You don't watch a movie like Schindler's List
multiples times and you wouldn't want play a game that makes you depressed every time you play it.
I’ve got many thoughts on last of us in terms of its unrealistic story and characters, but the world is just too dark in the last of us to the point it’s not realistic and borders on being ridiculous and absurd. I mean every character is a sociopath and a murderer.
Which is what many would devolve into in the given circumstances. It actually isn't that farfetched.
That’s because every human is a deep down inside is it’s just events that will unlock it. People are fine if they have all their needs meet and when there not especially with food the second there is no food security, and you see another group of strangers your going to want there food but at what cost. Because you could try to hail them but then if food has been hard to get for everyone they might come after you also.
I have seen people lose their composure after not eating for just 1 day now just imagine 4 days or maybe a week with little to no food
Any chance you live in a first world country?
Are you dumb? Its the apocalypse
I think the point of last of us is showing humanity and kindness in that world is a weakness but it's also the only way anyone finds happiness compared to the brutality needed to survive that requires you to lose a bit of yourself
Oddly i had this when I recently beat mass effect 3 for the first time. I loved mass effect 1 and mass effect 2 was my favorite game for a few years. I chalked it up to series fatigue and that maybe a mass effect marathon of all 3 games wasn't the best idea. But then i noticed when playing the citidel dlc i got fully recharged and was able to continue on like normal, instead of basically beating a mission, talking to the crew, and not picking it up for the rest of the day. so i think it was just the misery of the war and ptsd of Shepard, even seeing former crew mates just made me ask "how long before they die?"
That's how the 1st one felt when 1 brothers died I had to put the controller down for the night and just stop everything.
I said this when I played it the first time, but you have to play it in bursts. The horror from the infected just brings out over the top at some points.
to me that what makes the game great, it's like the pathologic conversation about whether or not games have to be "fun" if they are a part of a great artistic and narrative product.
like, the feeling of grinding through enemies and feeling like shit because ellie feels like shit and you don't want her to do this, then you climb up on a truck to see how far away you are from your destination is and its ages away, you feel like you've made no progress despite the dozens of people you've killed. it's fantastic- it's a perfect example of how games can merge player gameplay experience and the narrative and tone the game is trying to convey
I think tlou2 would feel a lot better as a game and more rewarding emotionally if it gave us the players the satisfaction of eliminating every one of Abbie’s crew and Abbie. Or even options for each character either spare them or eliminate them instead of forcing us to play through the whole game expecting a meaningful payoff at the end only for them to spit in our faces and waste all our time.
It’s not scared to put you in a miserable place and keep you there, you’ve got to take your hat off really. But it’s also not that deep, yea the subject matter is dark but I still get a crazy amount of enjoyment from the gameplay.
Gaming media outlets can try all or judge my character but i still wont believe its a 10 out of 10 masterpiece that every journalist says it is
That's because you're a rational, normal person that actually played the game. It was horrible.
Horrible? How so? I'm genuinely intrigued how one could even come to that conclusion?
Personally it's a 10/10 for me but can understand others didn't like it
It was not a 10/10 for me and more like 9/10. I liked the story but the major gripes I had with it was that it was way too slow. Major turning points in the story happened way too far away from each other. I think if they shortened the length of the game it would have made it a lot better.
Gamers are allergic to opinions I swear to God lmao
I believe last of us 2 to be a story about war and hence feeling miserable shows how good the game is
I look at most games as an interactive story. And just like books, I need to be in the mood for different genres, especially dark themes. I love the Last Of Us and it is dark, but that’s the point. Just like books, they entertain and explore themes that when I’m in the mood for that is nearly perfect.
I lived it. Platinum ps5. Took a week. Incuding work. Ad a hgv driver. The story is epic. And, its just a story. A game . But. epic
Last of Us 2 is miserable but not in the way the devs intented. It is just so subpar, it is basically Uncharted 4 without a jump button and Indiana Jones setpieces.
It is boring to play, it is either walking simulator sections or a generic third person shooter that is more miserable than anything that Druckmann wrote for the story.
I've nevee been very good with horror or depressing games, so I usually find myself making jokes to myself to break the misery. The only game I've haven't done that with is The Last Of Us Part 1. The story in that game was so good, it broke through all my mental barriers and for the first time I enjoyed a horror game.
First game I ever had to resell on eBay in my entire video game career
Damn that much of a softie huh
* Spongebob roller-coaster meme*
I remember watching the game when it first came out and how much I was anticipating a hopeful ending and then they beat me over the head with all the misery they could summon.
Now that you mention it, that might be exactly why I stopped playing The Last of Us Part II.
After playing Alan Wake I barely felt anything after Joel died (I cried like a little girl when Abby killed him, I'll admit it.) but after that, nothing.
I am desensitized to horrible things due to my own past, but the game series that bored me or killed my gaming mood was batman.
The sky is always filled with smog, there is no sunshine, there is nothing happy about that game series, no jokes to break the monotony of seriousness in the series, its about batmans past, ita about his reason for fighting crime, the horrible criminals wanting to torure and hurt people.
Its just depressing.
I love the spiderman series cuz you get sunshine, you get jokes even in the most serious moments to help lighten the atmosphere of whats going on, despite the intense moments its still not 100% depressing or serious.
I love depressing things but i can only handle it for so long cuz i already have depression and trauma.
I understand when a game is trying to get you to understand a characters trauma or their misery or confusion about things im cool with that.
But again these things can be taxing even on people like me, i will close a game like that after maybe 5 hours of gaming and play something more light hearted.
I loved the last of us 2. It's a great piece of art because it brought such string emotions and feelings and was fascinating. That said. I generally enjoy depressing stories 😅
I appreciate TLOU2 for that reason exactly
That last statement just explained self deletion
Spec ops: the line is like this too. Such a good story and subversion of shooters like COD. But on subsequent playthroughs. It has a building anxiety throughout a lot of it. Still a great game though.
honestly, last of us too it’s not the best game in the world, but the story behind it help me through like thinking about things and a bunch of shit that went through on in my life the fact of wanting revenge and then realizing you just got a let it fucking goit’s a very dark and sad game and at the time I needed that the ending going out on your own
As someone who writes a lot of stuff and as someone who likes to think they have a fairly solid outlook on story writing, I wholeheartedly believe in telling the story you need to tell even if that does involve creating some unrelentingly miserable. If that’s what best fits your world and your vision then don’t compromise it by conforming to what a general audience wants. If things need to be miserable, let them be miserable even if it’s everything that needs to be miserable, the same applies to levity and hope.
Dare I say as well that I think TLOU2 had a lot of lighter moments in it with the banter between characters however rightfully so, there was always at the very least some hint of sadness or mourning permeating every moment of the game. I don’t think anyone could argue that game didn’t have you feeling at least something. I think too many peoples’ tainted view of the game stops them from being able to see the hope and the brightness in the seemingly dire ending. Ellie has not lost her humanity and is in fact able to move on and begin forgiving Joel whilst Abby and Lev are free to live the life that they both yearned for, closer together than ever.
Part 1 is miserable too. The only difference is that its the good kind xD
I honestly didn’t play the last of us 2 because of the incredibly graphic trailers. My wife ended up playing it and I had to leave the room when she did. The game made me really uncomfortable.
I view the Dark Souls games like Comedy games. Where you are the joke and how you die is the punchline.
Last of us 2 is the greatest piece of art ever created by humanity.
It was hard for me to get through because of the strange pacing choices with the narrative. If they had let you play as Abby in the first half leading up to her killing Joel and you not finding out about her true mission until the end. THEN have you play as Ellie to hunt down Abby, instead of constantly switching and going back in time in the story. It would have made it a lot more easier to sit through. It was an odd decision to constantly switch up the points of view, we didn’t need to know what was happening with each character at every moment throughout the story.
this is why i love lisa: the painful because that game has really fun humor and writing that sort of lulls you into a sense of security and makes you almost forget about the heavier and more dark parts of the story, and then when you least expect it you just get punched in the gut by something unbelievably depressing
I hated all the time with Abby. They should've had you play her first and then flash back to the Joel scene. Just half a game of resentment. I quit when it got to the theater and she was trying to kill Ellie. Watched what happened later on CZcams after a couple months. I didn't for any moment feel bad for her and thought her friends dying was karma
I prefer playing her after knowing what she did. It's hard to feel anything for her friends but I like the way she's almost irredeemable at times and her humanity shows through by caring about something other than revenge and death for once
I'm ok with non-stop misery because few games go that route. If you need a break give yourself one, play some Crash bandicoot and come back when you're ready (not a jab, I love crash bandicoot and its by the same studio)
I donno, some segments in which I was able to blast away or brute force my way out of a group of clickers were pretty thrilling and satisfying. Stalking and hunting down human enemies as Ellie like Rambo would was exciting. the weapons that Abby gets to use are fun as hell. The gameplay of Last of Us Part II esp if u crank up the difficulty to Survivor or Grounded makes it such a thrilling game to play.
So for me I would feel a lot of dark stuff with the story but would jist enjoy the game play moments as they happened.
So for me TLOU2 was not a misery simulator
I never get the obsession with getting platinum. Like it it's easy then sure but you just make something that is fun and relaxing a job.
This is the first I heard of Tlou2 being "very dark" and "mentally taxing". I played it and thought it was good, but I also like dark amd twisted theme media.
I feel like the game was so miserable to the point of parody. Like I remember just dying laughing when I saw Manny get smoked because of how depressing the game has already been up to this point that I just stopped taking it seriously. Everyone in the story serves to get like 5 seconds of screen time and then violently die in a hilariously anticlimactic way. But for like all of Ellie's part of the game, I was so hooked. It's Abby that ruins it
I see this as a compliment towards what Naughty Dog accomplished…. Im still waiting for a game that hits as hard as The Last of Us 2
I’ve been playing through Wolfenstein for the first time and get the same feeling. Never played Last of Us 2 but remember the controversy around it
wolfenstien 2 gives me the same feeling
If they struggle with LOU2, they’d need counselling after Life is Strange and BTS.
I actually felt this way about Hellblade 1. Thank god that game was only like 4 hours hecause it was seriously hard to play and watch her go through such misery. I felt like Hellblade 2 did a much better job at sprinkling in some happiness and hope for humanity to keep you going while still being quite dark a lot of the time
I felt like this when playing the first Hellblade. Didn't really feel it during my playthrough of Hellblade II though
It's the same issue with movies/tv-series. Most have dark themes nowadays. Which just gets depressing and taxing over time.
A couple of games I've found that balance misery well are the Witcher 3 and Evil West.
They're both dark fantasy and the world sucks because of monsters and people being people, but there's enough humor, levity and a great combat loop that brings you back for more
There was no levity or gratification at all, you had Joel going out like a chump a stupid pregnant lady travelling half of America for someone else's revenge, another stupid pregnant lady on the front line, and for half the game you're playing as a character you hate and the writers used brain dead tricks to make you empathize with general abstrong with "oh she likes dog"
And it ends WAY past the point where its base revenge bad theme was relevant, by the time the credits rolled everyone made stupid decisions and got what they deserved except for the most hated character.
Just like real life. You can do everything right and still get the short end of the stick while the bozo next door wins the lottery while doing everything wrong in life
Wow you obviously didnt understand the game at all, there was no happy ending just like real life.
@@AwesomeGuyOwen right because nothing good ever happens in real life and games should only be realistic without being fun. In case you don't understand 1. Saying it's like "real life" isn't true. 2. Most games shouldn't try to be realistic because that's makes a bad game.
@@MrFlyersFreakdoesn't mean it's a good game and it also doesn't make it more realistic.
@@jet100ayour second point is not set in stone.
Games can be realistic while still being fun especially in terms of story.
Obviously you dont want the realism of dying and not being able to play again, however, a story being relatively true to life can be a great story
I genuinely feel like im the only person in the world who absolutely loves the last of us 2 and thinks its an great contrast the last of us 1
This exactly how I feel about Hellblade great experience but it’s a one and done.
This is why I don't really wanna go play more Cyberpunk. I did one playthrough and played partway through with a couple other characters but the world is so depressing i feel it in the soul. And on one hand that makes me wanna go play other stuff, but on the other hand it indicates to me that Cyberpunk is good art.
Good art should make you *feel* things, imo. Even if it's negative. So even though I don't play it much anymore it has my respect.
I hated the story on its own but the misery of the story made me never wanna play it myself. Its like playing a 35 hour version of "The Road". NO
Fable music in the background makes me happy
I mean, The tiger woods scene was quite wholesome imo
We're seeing "Art".
That is what we're doing.
last of us 2 is the definition of depression p*rn, the game is more about things looking as bleak as possible for the sake of it just to make you feel like shit rather than to tell a cohesive story where the characters aren’t actually dumb and use logic
The characters aren't really that illogical in the game. Their decisions are made through a lens of anger and grief but I think besides one dumb decision made by joel, everyone elses decisions make sense in the moment
Go to ease of Access. Turn on invisible while prone. There you go.
it’s funny cause when i got the platinum for this game i straight grinded it with no stops and just got it within 60 hours
Fire Emblem Three Houses does a lot of this where it's balanced so well with misery and enjoyment
I need a tall glass of whisky just to get through the whole last leg of the game lol
TLOU2 combat is absolutely fantastic
I love how dark and depressing tlos2 is my heart couldn’t decide what rhythm to beat and my lungs switched to manual to breathe
Am I like the only person that wasn’t that stressed out while playing?
I don't think the misery kicked in until I realized im starting to like abby...
Then I felt conflicted, for the first half of the game all I wanted to do was kill Abby. Killing my way through WLF, Scars, and infected. Then stopped playing the game once I realized I had to play as Abby. It took me awhile to get back to the game but I ended up playing and I ended up realizing I like her and Lev.
I love the fable background music
Yeah, fully agree with this...
I think horror games in general have that feeling.
Silent Hill, Puppet Combo, Amnesia....
But on the other side, games with intense moments and writing can make me take a break ...
Hellblade, Anodyne, Nier/Drakengard
ESPECIALLY Nier/Drakengard
Nah the chatter meant the game is so bad it's mentality taxing to even play it.
The first Last of Us , I've played countless times. Part 2 , I've played once and have no desire to play again
Same but maybe for different reasons
I loved part 2 more than part 1 simply cause it had a stronger impact to me but it's miserable in tone which can bring my mood down a lot whereas the first has a very hopeful tone throughout most the game
Idk to me the gameplay itself, while brutal, was so much fun to play that I didn’t feel like I need to step away from a game or smth that seems a bit too much lol. I don’t know what would need to happen and how depressing it would have to be for me to stop playing for a moment. It hasn’t happened yet so….
This is how I felt about rdr 2 took me like 3 attempts just to get through the tutorial and after that I was just like yea I cba, heard great things but when your tutorial is that obnoxiously draining and aids I cba
Still wish we got a multiplayer with how good the game felt to play, loved MP in the first game.
Yeah I can’t disagree more. If the game wasn’t emotionally taxing the story would be flat.
There’s a difference between emotionally taxing and just straight up misery and pointlessness
@@Noir-c9k yeah man that part where Joel plays the guitar to Ellie was miserable and pointless or that time at the museum etc
@@SethG3600 funny, because Joel’s flashback sequences and moments with him carried the whole game. I wonder why
@@Noir-c9k because people like him, I’m just pointing out what you said is not accurate.
@@SethG3600 You don’t say 😯 it’s almost like they didn’t kill him off for a totally pointless revenge plot or anything, and Ellie never ends up losing everything she loves at the end of the game, yea you’re right bro! the game is totally delightful and NOT miserable at all!
I can't play games like last of us part 2 anymore. Now that I have a life and a job, when I get home, I just need something fun to recharge. There is just nothing in the tank to play a game that takes my energy away.
Honestly the game tries so hard that it completely fails to evoke anything out of ne other than frustration regarding the drop in quality from the first game
Art is not always meant to only evoke positive emotions.
When we switched playable characters in last of us 2, I deleted the game. It was deceitful and I will never support the studio in any of their future endeavors. Complete scum to switch and bait like that
They literally showed you playing abby in promotional footage? How is that deceitful?
Maybe I'm just dead inside
I really loved Lou2 never felt miserable playing it
The end product of TLOU2 is exactly what I would expect to happen if a first year creative writing student picked up the lord of the rings and tried to make a sequel. They clearly spend so much time trying to reinvent the wheel they forgot the basic rules of story telling so it fell flat. There was clearly no one in that writing room that stopped and asked ‘but why though’ or ‘that’s not how normal people respond’ or ‘character arc’s exist in fiction for a reason’. Great gameplay, beautiful game, God awful writing and not a single likable/relatable character
So why is it so universally praised and loved by those whos entire career it is to rate games, movies, books and music? They don't know how to rate storytelling? Nah, feels more like you're projecting your subjective opinion in a Dunning-Kruger esque way.
@@Othawaii of course that’s what you think because you’re feelings are hurt that someone doesn’t like something you love.
It’s so ‘universally praised’ because critics are very worried about saying the wrong thing and upsetting a behemoth like Sony.
Imagine for a second that they panned a game that has a gay couple lead, an oppressed trans young person and a game that offered so much to ensure that it was inclusive to everyone like the controls and settings and such. Also not forgetting that they hired a very prominent feminist advisor to ensure that they didn’t follow video game stereotypes of women. Naughty Dog made themselves immune to bad reviews. The Twitter mob would have crucified them and we’ve seen the power that they can wield and pressure they can put on the employers of the critic.
That being said there will of course have been critics that really liked the game just like fans.
It has to be noted that there are an equal number of independent critics that slaughtered the game but many were shouted down as bigots or transphobes which proves my point. I acknowledge that some of them probably do hold such views but many were simply offering honest, constructive criticism and faced a significant backlash from fans and even the creators. After seeing that I don’t blame the critics for fawning over it to ensure a peaceful existence and protect their livelihoods.
@@hellalive8973 Nah, you're just making the same excuse as all the other haters. "Everybody who likes the game is paid off or scared of Sony", while your side is the honest and pure ones. Almost like flat earthers - "Everybodys corrupt and bought but MEEEE". You gave it away with that Sarkeesian schtick that's been debunked a million times.
The only ones i see hating the game are mostly "teenstreamers" like Pewdie, AngryJoe, Tyler1 etc. Common denominator - shouting, chaos, juvenile humour and low IQ content. These are the kind that downvotes the game before its out. These are the kind that make world class jokes like "The lesbian of us", cuckman and a variety of not-so-cool trans content. Guess what. These are NOT the kind of people who works as reviewers, critics or in the gaming industry.
So the only one with hurt feelings here seems to be you. You have nothing to back you up but fefe's and conspiracy theories. While i have the most rewarded game ever (until Elden Ring came out), most completed game in history (60% that started the game, finished it). No point to add more, those two speaks for themselves...
That’s art
I honestly love it for that reason
Dark themes mixed with any lack of resolution. There is no ACTUAL POINT TO PLAY IT.
There was a resolution though, what are you talking about?
TLOU2 is not anywhere in the neighborhood of "fun". It's an ordeal.