Love your humour JP, you can't beat the old Eric Morecambe paper bag trick 😂. The hose adaptor problem is so annoying, but since I've had my 3D printer it's been fixed, as well as many other uses for the workshop 👍.
4:19 The longer the hose, the worse the airflow. This is a chip collector, not a dust extractor; if you want to sweep the floor or deal with the hazardous fine dust you get out of sanders, saws, and routers, use something like a Aero 26-21 with the 302000490 filter, or some other wet/dry vacuum that can be fitted with M-rated filters. 2m of hose is plenty for connecting the chip collector to a lunchbox thicknesser, planer, or picking shavings off of the table. P.S. Yes, I see the Festool extractor, and I like it. The Aero with the 302000490 filter just seemed like a more cost-effective option to me.
I use 2 of these, one on my thicknesser and one on my table saw. Every time I checked the prices of additional hoses/adapters/blast gates/etc, I ended up giving up and in the end I just bought a 2nd one. Works well enough for me, it doubles the capacity (the table saw one takes ages to get full) and it allows me to use super short hoses, which means they work really well. Beats a big expensive system with expensive ducting all over IMO. I have everything on smart plugs so the correct extractor turns on when I turn a tool on, I love it. Nothing to do, just turn the tool on and off and the dust extractors follow.
@@Smallbarnworkshop Yeah, I'm not sure if an extractor like this is going to be able to run multiple machines with long ducting all over the shop. You're going to lose a lot of airflow I think :/ I would try it with additional hoses before installing everything on the walls if possible.
If you do put it in your car port with a cyclone- you can dump the filter. So little gets through it is not needed- you will not find dust accumulating. I have done this for three years now, in two installations, and there is no sign of dust being expelled. You not only save the cost of filters, you get better suction.
I got myself a HVLP extractor from Rutlands just before Christmas. It's old school can with clip ring to keep the lid on. Hooked it up to my Metabo thicknesser. I want to be able to hook it up to my table saw as well, going to have to experiment with hose adapters! One criticism is that it fills up really quickly, but a bigger bin or a cyclone would sort that out. I also got an adapter made for the thicknesser that has the extraction straight out the back instead of at 90 degrees to the blade. Clears the chips fast and without clogging the port.
@paulhodgson4790 I bought an straight extraction adaptor for my Makita 2012NB the difference it makes is amazing. Been looking at same Rutlands extractor,thinking I can remove clip ring base & mount motor unit to a wheely bin & adapt it to a large extractor..🤔
I’m with you on the dust ports JP they literally suck, I use the steeped hose connectors and cut to size. I’ve got a draw full of connectors and hoses.
I recently bought a 3d Printer, the first job I did with it was print loads of hose adapters for my machines so they all fit my cyclone/vacuum system. It is so annoying nothing fits anything else isn't it. Incidentally the DC100 is £158.99 here in screwfix, you got a good deal there 🙂
Hi Steve. The 3D printing is the way to go. I know nothing about. 3D P but I keep meaning to have a look. Does look like I got a bargain. ManoMano price was by far the best. Regards JP
Happy new year! As I was watching through I was thinking to myself "hmm... I really thought he would have built himself a cyclone separator system..." and then you read my thoughts at the end LOL
There are a lot of these 'oil barrel' vacuums about- they are pretty much identical, apart from the shape of the plastic top cover. They are pretty poor. They use a single, simple motor/impellor with the air going through the windings to cool them- they are massively inefficient. There are some that use more than one unit, and cost considerably more. I took that to be just profiteering, until I got to use a Camvac twin unit- not in the same league! It is much, much quieter and with greatly improved suction. They clearly use a much improved motor unit. Still a universal motor, but better made. I had a go at building a 3ph spindle (VFD) powered unit- way more efficient and powerful. However, I was uncomfortable at running it at more than 16000 rpm with a 3D printed impellor. It could have gone to 20,000 - and it is a square law for suction. One day. Question is- why are there no commercial versions? You can make adapters for the DeWalt AirLock system (probably the best on the market) using 32-40mm waste adapters. Make a groove to take the locking balls, and you have a mating adaptor for a few pence. Or 3D print them. I have fitted these to all my tools, and a simple twist locks them on.
Another good video Thanks. I have the Record version it sucks good but what use is 2m of hose. First time it was a bit cold the hose split. Tape to the rescue, it ended up more tape than hose, when you price hose up it costs more than Vac. I don't know why they bother putting 2m in then you would budget for vac and hose.
Hi. That’s a good point. My Dad’s extractor that I briefly showed used to have more tape than pipe 🙄 He has some cheap kitchen extractor pipe on at the moment. 2 M is poor and it means you are constantly moving the thing about. Regards JP
Update on my Record power version loads of fireworks today sparking and nasty noises and I haven.t used it much. wish I had put the £170 towards a festool. always do it get this its half the price then something else and then added up to the price of a good one, I won't be rushing out for thier bandsaw now @@Smallbarnworkshop
Its took a while but a new motor arrived from Record Free, Dosen't time fly. I didn't realise it was 5 months. I've bought a CTL Midi since then cheers
The extra 15 litres compared to the previous models will come in handy, as this chip collector fills up quite quickly. I have two of the older models (One Scheppach and one from another brand). However, Scheppach only sells OEM tools, meaning they are the same - down to the last atom - except for the color to all the other low end brands. Scheppach is usually more expensive than other the other identical machines, so it's generally better to look for the same machine in a different color, at a lower price. By the way, when it comes to dust ports fitting within one brand, since all the OEM tools are made in China/Asia - and the OEM sellers do nothing but mark up the price - you cannot expect them to match... Sad but true. All that being said, I bet you that this will last for many years. Longevity is in my experience not the problem with OEM tools.
Scheppach are pretty often the cheapest here in France, and they offer a 10 year warranty. Their warranty service is slow but you do end up getting a refund or a new machine. That alone is a big bonus with cheap machines like these that end up having pretty big issues half the time.
This is one thing that bloody infuriates me. Dust extraction fittings should by law be standardised. We are forever being bored stupid by health and safety but dust extraction is always a saga.
Update: I felt intrigued enough to look up the performance specifications of this thing, and it appears to actually be a gender-bent wet/dry vaccuum trying to play itself off as a chip collector. It's got the peak suction of a wet/dry vac or dust extractor, but the airflow of one as well, and I can't find any M-rated filters for it either. So it has the suction to work well with sanders, jigsaws, scroll saws, and other small-scale dust-generators, but at the same time it's got the cumbersome hose and nonexistant fine dust filtration of a chip collector... And at 215m³/h it'll only move a tiny fraction of the air that a "normal" 1200W chip collector would. To give you a point of reference, the 1100W axminster AW82E is rated at 1530m³/h, and if memory serves, even Scheppach's own entry-level 550W chip collector is rated at 900m³... This halfbreed honestly looks like a "worst of both worlds" scenario. It's a bit late for me to tell you to return the machine, and I hope you can put it to good use somehow. The fine dust shouldn't be *too, bad since your workspace is outdoors-ish. Just remember to don a mask whenever you're using the machines, and then keep it on for the rest of the day or until the shed's properly aired out). I'm not sure how it'll cope with the added resistance for a longer hose, but putting it outside the workshop proper seems like the best option at a glance. I'll at least thank you most sincerely for alerting me to the... existence... of this thing. To elucidate: * I'm aquainted with someone at my local community center for the disabled. * They've already been pressured into the mistake of purchasing an unuseable Meec-brand planer-thicknesser combo (We even tried putting perfectly straight pieces through it, and they came out *bent*, nevermind what the blasted thing does to palletwood) * They've also purchased a cheap-ish wet/dry vac. It's a Nilfisk Multi II, so it's good for what it is, but what it is is a general-purpose home appliance, it wasn't made for professional use in woodworking like the Aero or Attix series, let alone chip collection, (and chip collection is what they bought it for). * As it's been unable to draw enough air to cope with the planer/thicknesser, They're now trying to upgrade the wet/dry vac to a proper dust extractor with better filters (which to my knowledge aren't available for that model, because again, that one's a general-purpose household appliance, not a tool for fine dust mitigation), and they're also interested in aquiring a decidated chip collector * I haven't a clue as to what collector they're looking to buy, but if by some great misfortune it happens to be this thing or something similar, I might be able to prevent the hattrick, thanks to you. Kind regards. Gustav.
I think Matt at Badger Workshop found someone selling sets of adaptors for hoses. But it's the whole bl**dy sector that needs to sort itself out. Some faltering steps were taken on batteries. You can buy adaptors - I got one to revitalise an ancient Makita so that it uses the modern batteries - a new Makita drill for £20! Meanwhile, please rant on. Perhaps a consortium of CZcamsrs could make a joint case to the sector?
10:17 😅 Imagine your French language skills are improving being there all the time, but this was so unexpected, really made me laugh. Great video. Agree 3D printing the way to combat extractor adapter woes and the way I plan to go. ‘woodwork journey’ has some good videos of adapters he has printed.
Had the same with my Triton planer. Does the shepach have an antistatic wire for the hose, may be an idea to fit one if not I've had a few shocks when planing lots of wood
👍Completely agree with you about the hose adaptors / fittings. It's a complete pain in the f*+=ing arse that they can't standerdize them & it's not a massive rocket science difficult ask👍🏴
Thank you. I can't remember exactly as I've had it for so long but something like this. Regards JP High Density Foam Tape,2 Inch Wide x 1/8 Inch Thick Door Insulation Tape,Adhesive Weather Stripping for Doors Window,Foam Seal Proofing Tape,16 Feet Long a.co/d/1Y6eueb
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Love your humour JP, you can't beat the old Eric Morecambe paper bag trick 😂. The hose adaptor problem is so annoying, but since I've had my 3D printer it's been fixed, as well as many other uses for the workshop 👍.
Thank you 😂 What kind of start up cost for 3D printing? Regards JP
4:19
The longer the hose, the worse the airflow.
This is a chip collector, not a dust extractor; if you want to sweep the floor or deal with the hazardous fine dust you get out of sanders, saws, and routers, use something like a Aero 26-21 with the 302000490 filter, or some other wet/dry vacuum that can be fitted with M-rated filters.
2m of hose is plenty for connecting the chip collector to a lunchbox thicknesser, planer, or picking shavings off of the table.
P.S.
Yes, I see the Festool extractor, and I like it. The Aero with the 302000490 filter just seemed like a more cost-effective option to me.
Hi. Yes, I have come to the conclusion that is the way it needs to be. I use my Festool for sanders and small tools. Regards JP
Morn JP. Take care & stay safe.
Morning Doug, hope your all well. Regards JP
I use 2 of these, one on my thicknesser and one on my table saw. Every time I checked the prices of additional hoses/adapters/blast gates/etc, I ended up giving up and in the end I just bought a 2nd one. Works well enough for me, it doubles the capacity (the table saw one takes ages to get full) and it allows me to use super short hoses, which means they work really well. Beats a big expensive system with expensive ducting all over IMO. I have everything on smart plugs so the correct extractor turns on when I turn a tool on, I love it. Nothing to do, just turn the tool on and off and the dust extractors follow.
Hi. That’s a good point about short hoses. Regards JP
@@Smallbarnworkshop Yeah, I'm not sure if an extractor like this is going to be able to run multiple machines with long ducting all over the shop. You're going to lose a lot of airflow I think :/ I would try it with additional hoses before installing everything on the walls if possible.
@kz.irudimen Hi. Yes, I was thinking of experimenting in the garden first. Thanks for your tips and information. Regards JP
Love the foam tape trick JP! It's not right that there are so many different fittings for every vac very frustrating to say the least!
Thanks Mike. It’s so annoying! Regards JP
If the people in the EU that forced the mobile phone makers to use a standard connection could get on this that'd be great! 😂
Great point. we should take it up with our MEP’s . Oh, wait…..Regards JP
If you do put it in your car port with a cyclone- you can dump the filter. So little gets through it is not needed- you will not find dust accumulating. I have done this for three years now, in two installations, and there is no sign of dust being expelled. You not only save the cost of filters, you get better suction.
Thanks for the comments, some interesting points you’ve raised. Regards JP
I got myself a HVLP extractor from Rutlands just before Christmas. It's old school can with clip ring to keep the lid on. Hooked it up to my Metabo thicknesser. I want to be able to hook it up to my table saw as well, going to have to experiment with hose adapters! One criticism is that it fills up really quickly, but a bigger bin or a cyclone would sort that out. I also got an adapter made for the thicknesser that has the extraction straight out the back instead of at 90 degrees to the blade. Clears the chips fast and without clogging the port.
Hi Paul. That’s a great point a forward facing ejector Shute! Regards JP
@paulhodgson4790 I bought an straight extraction adaptor for my Makita 2012NB the difference it makes is amazing.
Been looking at same Rutlands extractor,thinking I can remove clip ring base & mount motor unit to a wheely bin & adapt it to a large extractor..🤔
I’m with you on the dust ports JP they literally suck, I use the steeped hose connectors and cut to size. I’ve got a draw full of connectors and hoses.
Hi Wayne. I also have a bag of connectors I’ve collected over the years. It’s like the krypton factor putting a system together! Regards JP
I recently bought a 3d Printer, the first job I did with it was print loads of hose adapters for my machines so they all fit my cyclone/vacuum system. It is so annoying nothing fits anything else isn't it. Incidentally the DC100 is £158.99 here in screwfix, you got a good deal there 🙂
Hi Steve. The 3D printing is the way to go. I know nothing about. 3D P but I keep meaning to have a look. Does look like I got a bargain. ManoMano price was by far the best. Regards JP
Happy new year! As I was watching through I was thinking to myself "hmm... I really thought he would have built himself a cyclone separator system..." and then you read my thoughts at the end LOL
Hi Steven, Well definitely use the cyclone once I have rescued it for storage in the UK. Regards JP
There are a lot of these 'oil barrel' vacuums about- they are pretty much identical, apart from the shape of the plastic top cover. They are pretty poor. They use a single, simple motor/impellor with the air going through the windings to cool them- they are massively inefficient. There are some that use more than one unit, and cost considerably more. I took that to be just profiteering, until I got to use a Camvac twin unit- not in the same league! It is much, much quieter and with greatly improved suction. They clearly use a much improved motor unit. Still a universal motor, but better made.
I had a go at building a 3ph spindle (VFD) powered unit- way more efficient and powerful. However, I was uncomfortable at running it at more than 16000 rpm with a 3D printed impellor. It could have gone to 20,000 - and it is a square law for suction. One day. Question is- why are there no commercial versions?
You can make adapters for the DeWalt AirLock system (probably the best on the market) using 32-40mm waste adapters. Make a groove to take the locking balls, and you have a mating adaptor for a few pence. Or 3D print them. I have fitted these to all my tools, and a simple twist locks them on.
Hi Mike. Thank you for the pointers. Regards JP
i have the same dust extractor solely for my thicknesser. noisy as heck but does the job
H Debs. Yes it does the job and that’s all we need 😊 Regards JP
Looks to me like it's designed so that the dust coming into the barrel is blasted straight at the filter, probably causing it to get caked up quicker.
Hi. It does exactly that! Regards JP
Another good video Thanks.
I have the Record version it sucks good but what use is 2m of hose. First time it was a bit cold the hose split. Tape to the rescue, it ended up more tape than hose, when you price hose up it costs more than Vac. I don't know why they bother putting 2m in then you would budget for vac and hose.
Hi. That’s a good point. My Dad’s extractor that I briefly showed used to have more tape than pipe 🙄 He has some cheap kitchen extractor pipe on at the moment. 2 M is poor and it means you are constantly moving the thing about. Regards JP
Update on my Record power version loads of fireworks today sparking and nasty noises and I haven.t used it much. wish I had put the £170 towards a festool. always do it get this its half the price then something else and then added up to the price of a good one, I won't be rushing out for thier bandsaw now @@Smallbarnworkshop
Oh no! Sorry to here about your vac failure :-( Regards JP
Its took a while but a new motor arrived from Record Free, Dosen't time fly. I didn't realise it was 5 months. I've bought a CTL Midi since then cheers
The extra 15 litres compared to the previous models will come in handy, as this chip collector fills up quite quickly. I have two of the older models (One Scheppach and one from another brand). However, Scheppach only sells OEM tools, meaning they are the same - down to the last atom - except for the color to all the other low end brands.
Scheppach is usually more expensive than other the other identical machines, so it's generally better to look for the same machine in a different color, at a lower price. By the way, when it comes to dust ports fitting within one brand, since all the OEM tools are made in China/Asia - and the OEM sellers do nothing but mark up the price - you cannot expect them to match... Sad but true. All that being said, I bet you that this will last for many years. Longevity is in my experience not the problem with OEM tools.
Hi Nomad. Hope your well. Thanks for the information it’s very interesting and welcome.. Regards JP
Scheppach are pretty often the cheapest here in France, and they offer a 10 year warranty. Their warranty service is slow but you do end up getting a refund or a new machine. That alone is a big bonus with cheap machines like these that end up having pretty big issues half the time.
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Much appreciated John. Regards JP
This is one thing that bloody infuriates me. Dust extraction fittings should by law be standardised. We are forever being bored stupid by health and safety but dust extraction is always a saga.
You are 100% correct Dessie! Regards JP
Great video JP !! thanks
Thank you too Michael! Regards JP
Update:
I felt intrigued enough to look up the performance specifications of this thing, and it appears to actually be a gender-bent wet/dry vaccuum trying to play itself off as a chip collector.
It's got the peak suction of a wet/dry vac or dust extractor, but the airflow of one as well, and I can't find any M-rated filters for it either.
So it has the suction to work well with sanders, jigsaws, scroll saws, and other small-scale dust-generators, but at the same time it's got the cumbersome hose and nonexistant fine dust filtration of a chip collector... And at 215m³/h it'll only move a tiny fraction of the air that a "normal" 1200W chip collector would.
To give you a point of reference, the 1100W axminster AW82E is rated at 1530m³/h, and if memory serves, even Scheppach's own entry-level 550W chip collector is rated at 900m³...
This halfbreed honestly looks like a "worst of both worlds" scenario.
It's a bit late for me to tell you to return the machine, and I hope you can put it to good use somehow.
The fine dust shouldn't be *too, bad since your workspace is outdoors-ish. Just remember to don a mask whenever you're using the machines, and then keep it on for the rest of the day or until the shed's properly aired out). I'm not sure how it'll cope with the added resistance for a longer hose, but putting it outside the workshop proper seems like the best option at a glance.
I'll at least thank you most sincerely for alerting me to the... existence... of this thing. To elucidate:
* I'm aquainted with someone at my local community center for the disabled.
* They've already been pressured into the mistake of purchasing an unuseable Meec-brand planer-thicknesser combo (We even tried putting perfectly straight pieces through it, and they came out *bent*, nevermind what the blasted thing does to palletwood)
* They've also purchased a cheap-ish wet/dry vac. It's a Nilfisk Multi II, so it's good for what it is, but what it is is a general-purpose home appliance, it wasn't made for professional use in woodworking like the Aero or Attix series, let alone chip collection, (and chip collection is what they bought it for).
* As it's been unable to draw enough air to cope with the planer/thicknesser, They're now trying to upgrade the wet/dry vac to a proper dust extractor with better filters (which to my knowledge aren't available for that model, because again, that one's a general-purpose household appliance, not a tool for fine dust mitigation), and they're also interested in aquiring a decidated chip collector
* I haven't a clue as to what collector they're looking to buy, but if by some great misfortune it happens to be this thing or something similar, I might be able to prevent the hattrick, thanks to you.
Kind regards.
Gustav.
I think Matt at Badger Workshop found someone selling sets of adaptors for hoses. But it's the whole bl**dy sector that needs to sort itself out. Some faltering steps were taken on batteries. You can buy adaptors - I got one to revitalise an ancient Makita so that it uses the modern batteries - a new Makita drill for £20! Meanwhile, please rant on. Perhaps a consortium of CZcamsrs could make a joint case to the sector?
Hi. I have some badaptors, they are brilliant. Thanks for your comments. Regards JP
10:17 😅 Imagine your French language skills are improving being there all the time, but this was so unexpected, really made me laugh. Great video. Agree 3D printing the way to combat extractor adapter woes and the way I plan to go. ‘woodwork journey’ has some good videos of adapters he has printed.
Hi. 3D does seem the way to go Chris. The French is improving we attend two classes per week. Regards JP
Had the same with my Triton planer. Does the shepach have an antistatic wire for the hose, may be an idea to fit one if not I've had a few shocks when planing lots of wood
Hi Derek. No but I will fit one with the install. Regards JP
You could try pieces of bicycle inner tube to seal some of those ill fitting joints !!!!
Hi Roger. I once tried inner tubes and it made an horrendous farting noise 😂😂 Regards JP
@@Smallbarnworkshop 🤣 Of course it was the inner tube 🤣
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👍Completely agree with you about the hose adaptors / fittings. It's a complete pain in the f*+=ing arse that they can't standerdize them & it's not a massive rocket science difficult ask👍🏴
Great video - what foam tape do you use?
Thank you. I can't remember exactly as I've had it for so long but something like this. Regards JP
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As another mentioned find someone with a 3d printer.
Hi Graham. I probably will but it does let the manufacturers off the hook though! Regards JP
@@Smallbarnworkshop yep totally agree and it annoys me, but in the absence of common sense from manufacturers, needs must.