Proto-Germanic Short Vowels into the Various Germanic Languages
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- čas přidán 24. 05. 2023
- In this video, Scott Shell discusses the systematic shift of Proto-Germanic SHORT vowels into the various Germanic languages.
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There was no short [o] in Proto-Germanic if anyone is wondering.
This is so informative and interesting. Thank you. Looking forward to more in the series.
Fantastic!
I like these videos a lot. Thanks for not forgetting Old Saxon.
I could never forget Old Saxon!
That old high german version of to eat is because of the second consonant shift. All the low german dialects still retain the t in the middle. ✌️
About fæder.
What I've noticed in Dutch is that language in old scripts often are not direct ancestors of our standard language, but dialects instead.
There's a lot of Dutch text of which standardized Dutch is not the descendant, but e.g. Brabants is.
Are there any modern dialects in England in which they say fæðer? Because then that would explain it.
The words you used for /u/ in ON gave me the following results on wiktionary:
Sunr has an alternative, sonr, and is sonur in Icelandic.
Dumbr just has no page.
Sunna is only used poetically in Old Norse.
Sus?
For the short E, how do you trade off (a) the majority of the daughter languages having short E, versus (b) Gothic, where it goes to short I, being generally "closer" to Proto-Germanic?
That’s a really good question. We see the earliest runic inscriptions preserve the [e]. Also, it is highly unlikely that ALL of the other Germanic languages would go through an unconditional change like that.
Additionally, we can go outside of PGmc and look at the PIE cognates. For instance, we see “edo” (I eat) in Greek and Latin “edere” (to eat).
What made you opt to specialize in Old-Saxon? Did you do an exchange in the Eastern Netherlands or Western Germany?
Dear Scott, wich Dictioanary you are using on Proto Germanic language
9:03 short u
Very helpful, thanks a bunch. Gothic is extremely interesting, how similar is the Silver Bible to the Heliand, on that note?
Extremely different. Wulfila tried to be true to the original Greek. Gothic is basically a Greekified Germanic language. Even his excessive use of present and past participles is very odd. But again, he was basically just trying to calque Greek phrases throughout the text.
The Heliand is very Germanic. The source for this text was actually Tatian's Diatessaron. In the Heliand, Christ is referred to as a warlord, and his followers are called gisîði (this is an old military term used for the Germanic retinue in times of war). I can go on, but you get the point. The Heliand is FAR more interesting, imo.
@Scott T. Shell (Germanic Beliefs and Religion) Sounds like it. I bet someone could do a series comparing just the two. The Silver Bible was what inspired me to studying in the first place, then I saw your videos on the Heliand and I'm traveling linguistically from there.
Was the final B sound silent or spoken in the various versions of dumb?
@@paolosasso2189 it was spoken. The -b here is etymological. This is unlike words such as “numb” or “thumb” where the is written because of the close phonetic articulation between [m] and [b]. Etymologically, “numb” and “thumb” had no [b].
I was wondering, you are thus far a small channel, but there are ads on your video.
Does that mean you are partnered with CZcams and that you gain income from these ads?
Or did they place ads on your videos and you earn nothing from it?
Because I thought they only partner from 10k subs up.