Lenovo Thinkpad T14 VS My Old T440p: Was it Worth It? A Melancholic Upgrade
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Last week I asked if the Lenovo Thinkpad T440p was still a good laptop? • Is The Lenovo ThinkPad... Well, it is good for the money, but does it compare to the more expensive Thinkpads? Not really... however, there are still reasons why it is better and many of you could opt for it rather than dropping 3x as much money on a fancy new laptop. Let's talk about the differences in my new Thinkpad T14 compared to the ten-year-old T440p. #thinkpad #lenovo #laptop #laptopupgrade
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• Ultimate Lenovo T440p ...
Here's the upgrade parts for the Lenovo T440p:
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the idea of a giveaway would be sweet but also there’s no shame in getting some money for a laptop that clearly has functionality and value
I think a giveaway is a fun idea. I really wish more laptops were as up gradable as the T440P. Soldering everything to the main board just6 creates more E waste, and do we really need more ewaste?
Also, I really appreciate that you've been emphasizing living smaller and simpler. I find that most of the big tech youtubers, intentionally or not, contribute to this toxic cycle of constant upgrades and make their audiences feel like they need the latest and greatest hardware when they really don't.
It's a shame the direction lenovo went with their newer laptops. They had the golden opportunity to be known as the most serviceable and reliable laptop pc OEM.
Might be controversial to say, but I think Dell might've taken that spot. Working in IT, most businesses use Dell anymore and are decently ok to service.
Thanks for making this!
HP elitebooks where the same, servicebility was nice back then :-)
@@kitecattestecke2303 Hp gen 6/7 fail so often - my company had some deal with hp but now some smaler offices just requested to be allowed buyind dells instead of hp because of failure rate.
A year ago I needed a fairly cheap laptop for the university, that was resistant and easy to repair, because I was starting to do field practices. your video from 3 years ago was the push that made me decide for the t440p, I am totally in love with it, I have been doing the craziest mods to it, thanks for your video
What mods?
I went from a t430 to a t480s last year, totally worth the upgrade :D
When I moved due to university studies I was considering a thinkpad like this because of its upgradeability. The only reason I didn't end up with one is because I first wanted a notebook with about the same performance of my desktop, and I also wanted the upgradeability, which as you know is hard to find on a new system unless you fork up the cash for a "gaming" notebook, which is what I did. I wish more companies made actually upgradeable notebooks but I guess that's not enough stonks.
checkout the framework laptop
@@tonynguyen725 Wish it was the rule and not the exception...
The T440p is my dream laptop because of its upgradeability, ports, etc. And since I didn't own a laptop ever in my life, I plan to earn and buy a 2nd hand of it online. What a great comparison though since the T440p still capable despite of a 10 years of age.
I’m running a Thinkpad x270, replaced the screen to a 1080p one, love the thing, don’t have a use for it often but I hope it never dies.
A giveaway would be a good idea.
I liked your thoughts on the weight versus function of the two.
I have found the Thinkpad community to be very loyal and to cherish the older models. This is my first introduction to your videos, (thank you, CZcams algorithm) but I suspect your audience would give your T440 a good home. I think a giveaway is a fine idea.
Best of luck moving to Japan. I have visited 3 times and fell deeper in love with every visit.
Giveaways are always fun. I'm sure there's somebody who would really like that.
The old thinkpads are fantastic. A T480 is another great option for a budget used laptop. The ram and ssd are still upgradeable and come with an 8th gen Intel processor
amen
Moved from Italy to Australia and watching this from my T440P - you're right: it's been tricky to carry it when moving with all my stuff but i just couldn't leave it behind! Still working fine and relying on GeForce Now so i don't have to give up on gaming :) Nice video! If T440P is ever going to fail i'm moving to T14 just like you did
A giveaway would be nice. My old Lenovo 17.3" laptop died. I am now on a Lenovo 10" tablet typing this. I also have a HP 11" laptop that was given to me. It has a bad switch and can't be shut off, closed, or be put to sleep so was useless to the person that gave it to me. I have a script on it to just shut off the display with a key combo. Being retired and considered disabled I'm not running out to buy anything, damn property taxes bit me this month. Some day...
This is very nice! Thanks for always finding a way to bring new life in older hardware Logan!
A giveaway would also be cool!
Which T14 you got?
I really like this as a follow up as not long after 2011, Id say maybe 2013ish? I noticed laptops really started to slim down a lot at this point likely in part due to things like the removal of the CPU socket laptops commonly used to have (not exactly sure when this change began to happen) and battery packs were getting slimmer and so on. Really quite a transitional time period for laptops in general where we'd finally start to see good 1080p screens and touch capability, usb 3, ssds you name it. At this point, if you compared a 2013 laptop to your average laptop from 2008, the changes were massive.
Give it away, give it away, give it away now. Also, you can pry my T430 from my cold dead hands. Yes, the display is horrible and the intel hd4000 graphics is getting old, but it works with geforce now, and with an external monitor and keyboard it makes a usable replacement for a desktop when needed. And just admit that you're jealous of my i5-3230m dual core cpu with it's 4-thread awesomeness that runs any OS pretty much still. And since it weighs 5 pounds I can use it as a weapon in an emergency. I'll probably have this thing until I die, unless I get a better one.
I also have a lenovo thinkpad T440p, but it has an i5 4200m, 4GB RAM with no M.2 SSD Card and I do not enjoy playing GTA5 on my PC and some older 3D games, the idea of a giveaway would be nice. maybe having that laptop would be a huge thank you.
Nice comparison. I've been considering an old Thinkpad or some other laptop that's not a "soon to be e-waste" for a while. I'm in the process of configuring/building my main machine as a hypervisor, so having a laptop around helps a lot. I'd probably go with older machine, since I don't travel a lot and it wouldn't be my main machine anyway.
Besides Thinkpads I also looked into laptops made by framework. They are made to be modular/repairable, basically an antithesis to Apple products. Nice taller 3:2 aspect ratio screen too. Although CPU on them is still soldered to the motherboard, MB+CPU combo upgrades are available, but somewhat expensive. They also have replaceable/customizable ports as modules and ability to buy OEM replacement parts to even different weight/resistance screen hinges! Not sure about their keyboard quality tho. But again, it's a new laptop which makes it expensive.
My old ASUS died few months ago. Had really weird problems with it for the pas 4 years, where windows kernel decided that it wasn't compatible with that hardware anymore?? Some voltage regulation missing / not working, so probably a hardware failure. Worked fine with Linux, but finally died few months ago. The only windows that could potentially run on it was the version that they use in ATM's or gas pumps, but yeah, not doing that. :D
I sometimes wish it made sense for companies to re-release some old models for people that would like to get them new and in spec they choose. Laptops, cars too. Would get some chunky thinkpad with all bells and whistles and a bmw e30 or such. :D
Funny how when I got a T440p you had upgraded one ,Was watching the video taking care of a family member at the time .I recently got a $500 gift card from Amazon and just got a 1st gen T14 i5 16gig
Why did you upgrade from the t440p? I'm about to buy one.
@@jackjack4412 great laptop just too big , before that I had a 2012 MacBook I found myself using smaller laptops more enjoyable
I had a chunky laptop like that once, a Dell Precision M6800. At least with a giveaway it has a better chance of not becoming e-waste and ending up in the hands of a Thinkpad enjoyer.
Personally I don't need a new laptop but a giveaway for a community members in need would be cool. Also - what would you recommend for on the go workstation / gaming machine that can drive more demanding games?
I use a Framework laptop and love the upgradability on it and how user serviceable it is.
A giveaway would be cool. I love how user serviceable and upgradeable that laptop is. Wish there were more like it.
Wow, I had to comment when I saw you pulling out that American Mcgee Alice game. Did not expect that while looking for info on the T14 Thinkpad. It's one of the few games from my childhood (originally bought by my dad to play) that i was able to keep in perfect condition. :)
I love my 230x, I do wish it was more powerful because it does easily ramp up cpu usage. its capable for daily task like a chrome book is and at the time it was the better deal, but I wouldnt mind more
I recently bought a T450s off ebay to replace a busted chromebook. It's my first Thinkpad. I love it. I didn't know you could swap the function key like that. I need to do that, as I hit it by accident all the time! Anyhoo, a giveaway would be cool. Cheers.
t440p here still in 2023..:)
solid notebook with good upgrade options..
use mine mostly for music editing/archive /live performance
or browsing and email/open office.
a bit on the heavier side, but its build like a tank!
These older thinkpads were amazing. Yeah you should give it away absolutely! I'm sure theres someone who really needs it.
Your channel is so interesting in the computer space
I wish Lenovo add an extra row for Funcion keys, remove the Fn key entirely, and make the left Ctrl key bigger.
I also wish they move the PrtSc key and make the right Ctrl key bigger.
Also, they should just delete the Window key or move it somewhere out of the way.
a giveaway would be cool. not even just saying that out of bias of being someone who could possibly get it, but when i had to get rid of my old desktop that I loved, instead of selling the parts on ebay, i sold the whole thing to my friend for a really good deal. i knew i could have made more money, but it felt good to know what i hooked someone up with something that was high quality and sparked their interest in computers. obviously a giveaway is different, but youve got a dedicated following who would be happy to get the t440p. just my 2 c
My daughter needs a laptop upgrade. She's using an ol Toshiba C2D laptop from 2009. So I'm in on a give a way.
Good old T440, reliable, serviceable, strong.
Thanks for the update! I'm definetly interested in a giveaway!
The previous video made me go look up a shell, buy and upgrade all the parts soon. A giveaway would be cool.
A give away would be awesome.
Long live ThinkPad!!
The IBM t420 was the last with IBM design greatnes
Loving the new for me Thinkpad X270 I got off ebay. Love it so much I put my much more modern and powerful Ideapad with Ryzen 5500U in a drawer and haven't touch it since!
I ordered an X260 off of Korea's equivalent of Amazon and mistakenly received an X270 (there was a typo in the header, but the X270 was what they intended to sell). It is my first Thinkpad, but I can't imagine loving a different laptop more. The second she dies, I suspect I'll order another. Of the different bits of technology I've had over the years, it is by far my favorite and exceeded my expectations in every way. I wholeheartedly endorse this little workhorse.
Funny to find this video, was thinking of a similar upgrade, T440p to T14, though probably Gen 1 or Gen 2 as I'm going for something under $400 secondhand. Based on the CPU model number you said (6850U) I guess this is a Gen 3 (might be nice to add that to the title). The 21CF003XUS showing on Geekbench also confirms Gen 3. I should've probably taken the hint when you mentioned the 16:10 screen because I've been seeing 16:9 screens in all the T14 models I've been looking at (though I'd love 16:10, I use 16:10 external displays at my desk). For me I don't care about the weight, I want better temps (my T440p is cooking itself on a regular basis and thermal throttling pretty badly) and a bit better performance, particularly from the iGPU and for playback of modern video files (HEVC, AV1).
I'm trying to figure out how much stuff from my T440p I can move over. I took the optical drive out of it and run two 2TB SATA SSDs with the OS on one and the other just for extra storage. It would be nice to at least move the storage one to the new machine even if I have to get a new M.2 drive to put the OS on. The specs on the Lenovo site don't mention anything about SATA. Gonna have to find a teardown to see what all you can connect inside I suppose.
T14 has been my Work Daily driver love it
There is T14 with a card reader. Like, it is literally an option on every Thinkpad since ages. (Lenovo has it as an option, I think 10$, only because of some weird governmental regulations about removable storage, so they need to have both models with and without it).
I'm going through the same thing with my Lenovo T420 right now. Even with a 16GB RAM upgrade and 500GB SSD, it's definitely starting to show its age. It can run some games, but Morrowind is about as heavy as it can handle. The 1366x768 screen feels abysmal now that I'm used to 1440p on my desktop, but I feel like the screen upgrade isn't really worth it just because it still won't be able to handle what I'd like it to.
A giveaway or auction for charity would be awesome
I want to buy T14 , is the other laptop better than this on the same price ? I want to use it to install software like Windows server and kali Linux virtually and run labs for cyber security and IT training
me to! what did you buy?
Thanks for the video.
If you are wanting to give the t440p away it will have a great home here.
Yes a give away would be appreciated.
Owning a well cared laptop without a functional crappy trackpad (only good trackpad I’ve used is on a MacBook) sounds sick. Idk heard some guy rambling about potentially giving one away
I’d love to be a recipient of that T440p. Retro laptops got attitude
Nice video, I share the same opinion about the t440p an the T14. I have a t440p and still using actively, it has the i5 CPU. If I change the i5 CPU for a i7 CPU in the same TDP (37 watts), do I need to change the AC adapter? My t440p has the 65 watts AC adapter. Thanks!!
Hi, I recently discovered your channel. I enjoy watching you talk about the t440p. I purchased mine about 4 years ago used, and I upgraded the (TouchPad)... lol, I know you loath them. Well, I'm not a "tec" guy but was able to change the pad and repair the fingerprint reader, which was not working. My point being I think this is an amazing computer for guys like me who like to fix and tinker with their own stuff. Yeah, I said Tinker, lol. You get it. Anyway, may I have your recommendation for a new screen? I do not game much. I like tetris and old school stuff but I write every day. I saw on one of your videos that it was an option to upgrade to a higher resolution. However, not knowing much about tech, I just need a point and shoot type deal. Tell me which one to get and I can replace it. I'd like to make my flat dullish screen look like yours. 👍 I would be grateful for your help. Possibly a link I can just click to and pick the one I need. I have seen a lot of different choices. I'm just not sure which to choose. Thank you! O and the entire time I've owned this computer the ONLY thing I hate is indeed the TouchPad. When I'm typing my big hands always seem to touch it and before I notice I'm typing in some random paragraph. I hate it. So I'm going with your thoughts here. I'm go to figure out how to shut it off and get a mouse. Any recommendations on that too would be great. Should I get wired or no wire 🤔 thanks and Merry Christmas to ya!!
Btw, the t440p could be lighter, if remove HDD and set an empty case instead the cd-drive, and install SSD nvme, only.
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2022 thinkpads and onwards (like your T14) have their key travel reduced to 1.5 mm from 1.8mm on older T14's / T490's from 2019-2021.
your T440p has 2mm key travel I think.
I am planning a T470p soon. Should I get it? i5-7440HQ 2.80GHz 16GB RAM 512GB SSD.
Hi Logan!
Do you have a list of games you like to play on laptop?
Looking for something lightweight and offline that I can play on the go.
(Also got a T14, coming from a xps and I love this machine).
Can’t wait for more Japan videos ! Be a great new laptop to go write a book in a little Japanese bar
I have a T440p fully moved with a dock but I also have a Lenovo Legion 5 Pro with a i9 and rtx4070
I just recent got a P52, my first thinkpad. Love it! Wish I had used these from long ago.
i like the giveaway idea. there are some people want a laptop since they really need one but had constraint by the budget and because of that they don't care if it's hi-speed or old secondhand laptop
I would like to have a T440.
A giveaway could be fun, but I don't really even go anywhere and take mine unless I'm flying (which I haven't done in years). My laptop just stays plugged up all the time. About the only time I ever open it is if I've already put my desktop to sleep and I need to SSH into something before bed.
Excellent idea to do a giveaway, it is a great laptop.
Giveaway! So many people would appreciate such a thing. I wont be alone in saying ive come to your channel to watch videos old (ancient) and new to get into making old tech good. Started for fun but now out of necessity as things are tough in the UK atm with inflation and wages, and probably the same there too. Whoever wins it is a lucky person as the added value of having watched it on your channel and learn from it is something we cant buy.
It really sucks that laptop CPUs are no longer upgradeable and they nearly all have at least some RAM soldered. 😢
What does it mean when ram is soldered?
In all fairness I think Lenovo does not get enough credit for the big jump in display quality since the first gen t14 was first introduced... gone are the old days of dim, low color accuracy displays, can now work on excell, vscode and enjoy netflix on it... all t14 from gen 1 have a beautiful 500 nits 4k display option which is worth every dime imo, rivals a Mac screen but with a massive boost on built quality and ports!
I have the t440p fully upgraded and i bought it because its durability, easy of repair and cheap parts, after having bad experience with expansive laptops in the past. i do miss the 3k-4k displays because below those resolution im getting pain in my eyes which higher resolution don't do to me. other than that the t440p is perfect even though it's hevier and miss the thunderbolt connector
I still use my t440p fully molded with a dock
Hi, I have the T550 and I think it might be a similar generation as your T440p.Over the many years I have had it, Ive replaced the screen with the 1080p version, the mobo with the nvidia discrete graphics version (had to get an import), upgraded the ram, and installed a sata m.2 into the spare pcie slot. I had upgraded in 2020 to a Samsung Galaxy Flex 15, super sleek, all aluminum, nvme, qled, glass touch pad, touch screen, type c power on left and right of machine. Very expensive. Broke after 1 year of normal use. Turns out the aluminum top uses a plastic frame to attach to the base... Very disappointed. Will never buy samsung again. Now I am back to the T550 which I really had no business moving from except I wanted that type c power, beatiful blacks and lightweight, low power design. Something else to consider. Windows 10 Support will End in Oct 2025. Another thing to consider: My T550 can still run Win7 and is activated in the bios. I think Framework looks attractive but I wish they had 15 inch models. Believe it or not microsoft also makes great laptops.
Very interested in that laptop give away. Might be able to get something better than my e8400 core 2 duo desktop 🤞
I'm still on my old W520, it's lightning quick for the stuff I actually need to do on the go and the keyboard is great. It's also ungodly heavy, but luckily that's not a big problem for my purposes.
It even games a bit, things like GTA V and Burnout Paradise Remastered are perfectly manageable at 1080p on the 2GB Quadro 2000M. The latter even runs at 60 fps.
I have the T14 Gen2 and it's just so flimsy.. it's on it's _third_ motherboard. That's fucking pathetic.
The battery life is kinda bleh. No SD card slot. And just weird body warping and twisting...
At the same time it feels like no modern laptop is really worth it either
I like the Idea of a give away though I'd have to say I'd pass. I have 7 laptops sitting idle that I revived from work and I'm trying to find the right people for. So I'm good.
I got the T14 from work and overall it's a really good laptop with nice performance, battery and display the one and only problem that it has is the thermals, they are awful in my opinion, it constanly get up to 90-100c under medium load i have resorted to just use it without boost most of the time ( performance is enouth ) and only use turbo when i really need it
A gift would be good for someone in need, if you can
Yes to the Giveaway. That would a sweet gaming laptop for my firstborn.
I hope that your still thinking about doing the giveaway! I first became interested in the thinkpad by watching your video years ago. While I have not been able to get my hands on the t440p due to financial issues, I would like to have a chance to maybe even owning one. Hopefully you see this and make the giveaway happen.
I dream about this laptop i definetly use linux on him dwm, will be best choice i think. Now i have dilema take t14 for work and gaming 3d becouse vega 10, but i not like touch screen in any laptop. Or bay t440p and upgrade matrice from tn to ips full hd... Used price is not so high, other choice for me is still thinkpad x1 becouse have LTE modem. Then i can have network everywhere. Cheers from Poland.
T4xx series are the best thinkpads ever.
Linux and Thinkpads are amazing saved a t440 from ewaste and I am amazed at how capable it is even today
You Can get a portable disk drive, small and usb driven :)
And adapters for sd, vga etc
Choose the ryzen version for more performance myself but miss the touch and ofc no Thunderbolt for me
I’d be willing to sign up for a raffle.
Go for the giveaway. I would be sure to enter. It would replace my 14 year old laptop with cracked screen. I put tape on the edges so shards of the glass wouldn't fall off it lol but its still chipping away
windows 11 do need to be modified for old Lenovo laptop
o i want t440p in this place hard to get it good one
Give it to me I have a 15+ years old Dell laptop!
Yes!!! Logan!!! Please giveaway your old lenovo laptop to me! I need a backup, plsssssssssssss in Portugal hahha love u brother.
Yeaaaah do a give away!
Do a giveaway!
I would gladly appreciate give away from Tek Syndicate, cheers.
I have Lenovo Thinkpad T400 on WIN 10 x64
I just upgraded from the T440 to the t14 3rd gen.... man the new keyboard SUCKS.
yeaah do a giveaway
13:52 mouse model?
I would love a give away. I am a huge Thinkpad fan, and would love to try the T440p
Do a give away! I would love it! I love tinkering and I am using an old atom processor laptop from about 2017... so do a give away!
Am I too late for the giveaway? lol
The T440p was a fantastic laptop for it's time, but I wouldn't recommend purchasing one for more than $150 nowadays, especially if it's not fully upgraded. There are too many tradeoffs compared to modern laptop; The big three being battery life, performance, and weight.
One thing the T440p and all ThinkPad laptops have going for them is the fantastic keyboard and the trackpoint. I can understand not wanting to use the touchpad, but why disconnect the trackpoint? It's the best pointing device you can use on a laptop!
150$ for a fully upgraded t440p? Where? And battery life is still fine, for performance, the i7 4810mq is plenty fast even by today's standards
I could use a old new laptop
I want your old laptop just in case you want to give it away the only thing is I'm located here in the Philippines.
give away give away.. (: