New Music Is Better Than Old Music. This Is Why!
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You've heard people say that new music is so much worse than old music-- but is it? I'm not so sure!
- Why the whole "computers ruined music" thing makes no sense (ft Despised Icon, Demi Lovato and Cryptopsy)
- Why autotune can't make me sound like Mike Patton or Ariana Grande (ft Jonny Craig and Slaves) and drum editing won't make you sound like Luke Holland
- Some eyeopening comparisons between 80s and 90s music vs today's music (ft Snapcase, Knocked Loose, We Were Sharks, Vengeance Rising, Archspire and $uicideboy$)
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Did you see Deborah Norville from Inside Edition a few years back? Can't sing, dance or write, but after a couple hours and good old auto-tune, she sounded like every other pop star on the planet. No amount of auto-tune is gonna make anyone sound like Mike Patton, lol!!
Thank you for the Mozart example. Finally someone who is also aware of that piece, that made me laugh a lot and made my day.
I saw a college professor who has proven that the pinnacle of POP/rock music was Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts club band and ever since then the talent/musicianship and experimentation has went down. I pretty much agree
The Punk Rock MBA hey Mr.jones is a great song!! His dancing is terrible but I totally vibe to it!
I feel like youre confusing feel with how well it was produced. To me, most pop music now has less and less feel to it. I think back then music had more feel to it.
I remember back in my day when artists could go deaf and still not miss a note RIP Beethoven
starcenter323 exact right kind of humor to shed a light on the stupidly these days love it
Oh you kids and your Beethoven, I miss the days of my youth where we beat sticks on rocks and grunted.
"are you guys excited for beethoven?"
"woo"
"I can't hear you"
I legit laughed at that oneXD
But people play better now!
I wish I was born in the 1540s, when music was good.
Did you know that Greensleeves was about King Henry eating the ass of Anne Boylyn since she could no longer give "head"?
Maaan now way 10 000 BC music was the Shit.
If you really want to get to the roots of REAL music you gotta take it to 100 B.C.
Make the Lute Great Again.
Oh hell no not Pump the Jam
How dare you good sir
How dare you
In terms of "Rock" music I really believe the producers are trying to record bands too perfect. Rock should have a human element, tempo change, dynamics and even imperfections.
John Reilly oasis
I agree with most of that but I definitely disagree with the tempo change. I don't want to hear inconsistent tempo when as a musician or as a listener.
@@brtshmvne7480 most of my music has tempo changes in it but I do it in a way that it flows together.
@@brtshmvne7480 All old music has subtle tempo changes and some speed up or slow down naturally.
I remember trying to explain to someone why I like Joy Division because he couldn't get past all the things they did musically wrong. It's the DIY ethic of old rock music that I like and it's why I really enjoy indie and DIY stuff now vs the highly produced, flawless music that gets played on the radio. Admittedly, I'm not a musician or trained in musical theory, so it doesn't bother me the way it bothers music people.
In the mid 2000s, I had a friend who want to start a punk band, he was the vocalist, but all his proyect's went down because of all his friends were always drinking, so he decided to replace them with a laptop (bass and drums) and also he learned to play guitarr. In local shows he played using laptop and guitar, for me that was something truly DIY, but for the "true punks" that was almost like an insult.
yeah, "true punks" don't know shit. hell, the underground edm/ idm scenes ie vaporwave are more punk rock than the current "punk" meta.
Chris farren?
while trying to find a knowledged an skilled bass player,your friend can continue developing his craft,playing guitar is a life long journey,not a destination,the more you learn the more i find out i dont know so for someone to say they master guitar thats where growth in the craft of great musicianship seases
R A T C H E T wut dude
Turned this crud off once I was presented with that sweet online rpg ad
Remember when Finn McKenty had an intro that went straight to your face?
Back in the good old days.
I wonder if he was getting demonitized for the Hatebreed sample
Not only straight to your face. Straight to your face, WITH THE TRUTH
I already miss it
Miss those wonderful lyrics to.
I'm just sick of rap/hip hop artists all using the exact same high hat beats.
@@rorz999 It's pretty much on its last legs now.
The high hat beats are half of it. There's also how an artist uses vocals and different production. Hip hop is one of the most experimental genres in popular music since new wave.
I wonder how many of them know about the amen break or where it came from
@@EsoraChan The amen break is seen more in jungle and drum & bass music.
That's because the artists using that sound aren't making standard hip hop, they're making trap, Memphis rap revival/phonk, trap metal/metal trap, and cloud rap. They all use the TR-808, but they use it differently, especially the latter three. House and techno music has primarily used the same drum machines/digital recreations of drum machines for well over 3 decades, like the TR-909, the TR-808 (for some), and the TR-707.
Call me a hipster but I can appreciate the gritty production static of older songs
They have character.
They sounded much more natural and realistic which is a better measure of objective quality than any digital alteration.
Yeah... clean production doesn't mean "good" production. Especially on punk & metal, they're not meant to sound clean & pretty imo... I hate how this dude says its "objectively better". Sounds like elitist talk to me
I think a lot of people are led to lofi productions (especially with the wave of lofi hip-hop) because of the showing (or "embracing," at least) of imperfections in recording. John and MrRobot are right; it gives character.
Idk but the gritty and old sound makes a song sound better, I will never know why, but I would love new musicians to experiment with it
Computers didn’t ruin music, people with no talent did. And their tone deaf fans are the one’s making it worse.
How dare you speak ill of The Counting Crows lol 😂
Right? I love those guys lol
Don’t talk shit about Counting Crows!
Yo the counting crows are the shit! I cant bbn believe someone can just get away with disrespecting them.
MAN I WISH I WAS BEAUTIFUL
for real!
Finn: What happened to saxophone solos?
Rivers of Nihil: Hold my saxophone
I believe there's one on a recent Intervals album, Plini album, and a The Faceless one too if Im not mistaken?
@@asciicatface I think ghost and btbam as well had one
James Branstetter TESSERACT had a good one too
So basically more bands are bringing it back but imo rivers or nihil does it the best
@@iletthedevilin828 and then Ne Obliviscaris just _obliterates_ us with violin solos
Old music is still god bruh
Agree
I agree and I gave this video a thumbs down.
69 likes
@@dvir12345 which is 1/100 the number of likes this video has right now.
@@dvir12345 70 now 😉
I feel like modern music is less focused on being compelling than it is on being unobtrusive, and produced "professionally."
As though strict standards are being adhered to, rather than routinely challenged, and this stems from approaching the possibility of measurable perfection, as well as an oversaturation of producers.
What genre are you talking about though?
@@OngoingDiscovery Almost anything that isn't DIY.
@@getout940 You clearly don't know shit about autotune then. It really doesn't make 'anyone a singer' like they say. It only fixes one factor (pitch) and only so well.
I'd like listening to new music until I die.
Everyone gets to high school and college, finds out what bands they like, then just continue to listen to that until they die.
I'm 32 and a few of the bands i consider my favorites are ones I've discovered in the past couple years
Only if you're a normie.
I'm 47 and i love some of the new shit like knocked loose, vein and code orange. No way could i listen to the same songs for the rest of my life, I'm constantly finding new shit i like.
Jesse Slocum exactly. I’d even add, some of my current favorites are even from genres I’d have never listen to in high school or college, or genres that didn’t even exist then like dubstep or witch house.
Pretty much, at least the kind of people you constantly see commenting on CZcams videos about how music sucks now compared to whenever they were 18. I'm 53 and find new music pretty much daily that I love. It's definitely never been better than it is now because not only can you still listen to the old stuff of your youth there's tons of new bands out there, many playing music that sounds just like what you liked when you were 18.
The music that you were into when you were 15 will always be special music to you. It's science and psychology.
Paul Long Adam Neely.
Some of it but a lot if it i findi grew out of. Some things i thought were incredible back then were okay but i wasn't ready too digest truly incredible music yet. My brain just couldn't process it the way it does now. But i still love Motley Crue.
@@ASM881 I LOVE Nirvana. I have Kurt's name tattooed on my arm. So i leave you with this-Just because you're paranoid/ Don't mean they're not after you.
Yeah but now you have to listen to songs on the radio talking about nutting on a girls face as girls sing along lol. It's all just sexualizing teen girls if you listen to rap/radio these days.
Its definitely 13 for me, I will defend Avril Lavigne’s first record until the end of time, but a lot of the stuff I listened to at 15...oof cringe city.
I do agree that production quality has increased, but I don’t think overall subject content has gotten better.
I'd say production quality has decreased. Name one album from the 2000s that sounds more natural or realistic than Tom Jobim's Wave or Miles Davis's Kind of Blue.
@@ChristianBurrola I agree. Honestly the sound quality today is way worse then it was if you're comparing it to a HiFi recording from the fifties, sixties and seventies.
I"m sitting here after spending an hour listening to The Beatles songs "Penny Lane", "We Can Work It Out", "Hey Jude", "Help!" among others.
Yeah, there's a lot more to quality music than making sure that the computer-created music is self-declared "divine". smh
Oh, and is he saying that "Yellow Submarine" isn't brilliant? Oh dear.
It's about producing buddy
Hair metal horrible lyrics
The songs that I like from the 60's through the 90's sound great to me. Listening to them now, I can't think of one song that I would say, "wow, the production on this song sucks. In fact, it's so bad that I can't listen to it anymore."
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Exactly thank you👍👍
@@Andre-tu3km yessss
It makes me question the guy who feels that way haha
exactly. one of my favourite songs is space oddity by david bowie, the recording quality is trash yet there is not a thing wrong with that
good shit and bad shit in all eras. I agree.
I like music from the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s and 10s. There's also some really bad music from all of those decades too.
I'm a huge fan of 90s and 00s music but there is a TON of shit from those two decades
The problem is, there really aren't any good songs coming out now, at least none that are as popular as the good songs of the last decade.
@@raveyard4927 I agree the UKtop40 is fucking unbearable these days
@@raveyard4927 I think that's a problem of quantity. As far as I know there's never been a single now (eh, well. at least not in the last couple of centuries) that had better music than the best of the decade before it.
Yes but what good is anything that's been released since 1999
Two more points:
Sax solos are badass, especially the way Rivers of Nihil does them
and Scatman John was fuckin awesome
This is one of the comments that Finn should have given a heart to.
The truest comment in the section
Scatman John was awesome- legit Jazz artist czcams.com/video/EkrN52UA8Jc/video.html
Came here to say exactly that. Rivers of Nile nailed those sax solos
Shrezzers does sax solos too
New music isn't necessarily better, old music isn't necessarily better. Just enjoy good music from all time periods.
Couldn't agree more.
Old music is far better in my opinion. Not heard anything worth buying in decades.
@@maccagrabme Depending on what kind of music you like there is tonnes of good music out there. It's just not the pop music anymore
It's really just correlation, there was music I love and enjoy back, there is less and less now. But I think its impossible to save it really, we're on a trajectory where if somebody releases something actually and unlike something on the radio, it's just not gonna get played and the average person who doesn't care about music isn't going to like it.
Truth be told, I don’t actually care about peoples’ preferences in music. What mainly bothers me is when classic music lovers either put down other people for liking modern music, or claim they were “born in the wrong generation.” Like, how the hell does that affect the quality of the music in any way?
Someone:
"Computers ruined music."
Me:
"Laughs in Prodigy."
❤️
funny how people say that when one of the biggest bands Pink Floyd was using synthesizers in the 70s.
@@getout940 stay crying
Music for the jilted generation is one of the sickest albums ever...change my mind.
Nostalgia plays a much stronger role in what people determine is "good" than most people want to admit. It meant something to me when I was 12 yr, therefor it is good and Means Something!
Yeah especially when it comes to the idea that if it's harder to make then it's automatically better. Anyone who can play the guitar can tell you Nirvana is simple shit in the guitar but they are still the GOATS.
@Conrad Nickelson really? thats awesome
Nostalgia only plays a small role, though. If music is objectively bad, that doesn't mean we're just trying to relive our glory days.
@The Dali Llama I mean, that's more because they're ingrained into the American Lexicon of Boomers because they were on MTV (Shocker that people in their 60's today remember bands from 30 years ago). Nowadays, the Internet craves to every niche, so shits not dictated by what's on TV, so everyone can have their cake and eat it too. Because of that, we have THOUSANDS more subcultures and sub-genres than before the internet
@@idkmynametho8391 oh God, I hate Nirvana in general!
There’s no doubt that recording technology is far better today. Song writing is an entirely different matter.
^this
I can think of no sensible counter-argument to your statement.
@@anthonystark5412 that's because his statement doesn't actually say anything or make any points. 'recording is different than songwriting' is what he said. how can you respond to something that means so little?
@@BenBenRanger
Are you being deliberately obtuse, or did you not bother to process Mike Kelley's comment?
His opening sentence quite literally makes the point that "recording technology is far better today".
Based on the context supplied by said opening sentence, one can rather easily infer that he holds the opinion that contemporary songwriting is inferior in quality.
@@anthonystark5412 an implication is not an argument, and therefore doesn't provoke strong counter-arguments.
Theres a reason old amazing albums keep getting remastered and I’d rather listen to that remastered album.
Aja (1977) - Steely Dan
The Dark Side Of The Moon (1973) - Pink Floyd
Days Of Future Passed (1967) - The Moody Blues
I challenge you to find 3 modern records better than the ones listed above.
This guy's thinking on audio quality is completely backwards. He judges quality on lack of roughness which is the opposite of how quality should be measured which is how realistic and natural a recording sounds. In terms of audio quality nothing from the past 20 years has surpassed Tom Jobim's Wave (1967), Miles Davis's Kind of Blue (1959), and Burt Bacharach's Casino Royale (1967).
Zieg dich (2019)- Rammstein
Here Comes Revenge (2017)- Mettalica
Deutschland (2019)- Rammstein
Maybe they aren't better but in my opinion they are some of the only modern songs I listen to
@@CelestialCimmerian Deutschland Is amazing.
(2020)The New Abnormal- The Strokes
(2016)Kids See Ghosts- Kids See Ghosts
(2015)To Pimp A Butterfly- Kendrick Lamar
@@CelestialCimmerian Rammstein new album was just incredible. Id say the best one they got. . . Deutschland, radio, Auslander, sex. . . i cant remember anything else
Some valid points however the only conclusions met here is that newer recordings are better than older recordings. This can’t be generalised to music is better now than before.
G Duncan yeah that’s what I’m saying. This is the third video I think I’ve watched and gave a chance by this guy, and well... I’m not feeling this channel.
He is asshole his points are assholes also. Generally assholes everywhere!!!!!
Old music is much much more legendary!
@@deanmartin7924 I dont like what he said, so he's an asshole! Get a life
@@Lucknow472 boomer
A couple years ago Keith Buckley was asked about being in the old band on warped tour and what he thought of all the new bands. His answer was roughly along the lines of "most of the new stuff is not really for me but it's not supposed to be. I'm an almost 40 year old man. This music is supposed to be for the kids and I love that they're out here doing it and we can still be out here doing it with them."
Gregory Pronovost Keith and the ETID boys always seem to get it right
You proved exactly why the 80s and 90s sounded better than the 00s and 2010s. Every older recording had space and groove and movement than every newer recording felt stiff and stale. Older rap was much funkier than the newer rap. Natural sounding recordings will always objectively sound better than unnatural sounding recordings. This is why many modern jazz and funk albums still sound awesome today and music from most other genres these days sound like crap.
Yea with digital manipulation it sounds clinical. Leave the sound analog is always more natural than breaking it apart with softwares.
You have a point but this is subjective asf
Like take any Led Zeppelin album, it will sound amazing! Any! Beattles were recording veeeery well! I rarely can find any old recording that doesn't sound good, including the concert live recordings.
"Do you remember when lyrics actually meant something?"
Lol no
It’s not even “old songs had more meaning.” It’s old songs had more meaning... to me. It’s not so much about the content of the lyrics, but the personal life experiences people had when listening to music when they were young. Nostalgia will make certain things hold more weight in our hearts because of what it means to us, and for some illogical reason, we want people to acknowledge that.
Hit the nail on the motherfuckin head man..I agree 100%
That sounds just about right. People get stuck in the past more often than not.
I heard that men will get the same haircut when they’re 50 as they did when they felt the best about themselves when they were young.
Explains why I meet so many old dudes with really long hair in the back when I go to shows.
Truer words have never been said
This is an excellent observation, I never had a real solid reason for why people grow more out of touch with newer music the older they get, but this explains it perfectly. The music a person loves was playing on their first date in their first car (an intentionally exaggerated example), while the "shitty music nowadays" was playing on their way to work last Wednesday when their phone charger broke so they had to listen to the radio.
David M music today is shit. Wasn’t born in the 80s and its all i listen to so no nostalgia here
I wish I was born in 35 BCE, when the music was TRULY good
LIKE IF U REMEMBER BEOWULF
Hrothgar really knew how to open up a pit
Smashes rocks on skulls: yeah that beat is nice
Harpcore
I hate when people generalize all modern pop music as just being “talentless garbage” or whatever you wanna call it. I don’t listen to much pop, but you can’t tel me that Ariana Grande, Beyoncé, John Legend, etc. aren’t incredibly talented, skilled singers. Anyone who tries to deny that loses any musical credibility in my opinion
Yea Yea yeah but they overuse there voice and are bland. For e,g Liam Gallagher doesn’t always hits the notes but he has heaps of passion and a unique voice.
Of course they’re talented but the vocal ability isn’t what makes the songs bad. It’s the writing, lack of actual instruments, the same beat used in every song.
For example, Brendon Urie (imo) has the most powerful voice in mainstream music right now, but the current songwriting from him is terrible compared to P!atd’s older music.
losing my musical credibility, according to a random internet noobie's opinion - omg I will not survive it, such a tragedy :(
@@AB-vl6et ikr?? Lmao
@@AB-vl6et LOL the guy thinks his opinion is that significant
Pink floyd doesn’t sound bad at all
They are amazing
Were you born 9 months ago or something
Finn forgot to mention the part where it's bad because they can't understand what they are saying.
Julian Mendez Deathcoredeathcoredeathcoredeathcoredeathcoedeathcoredeathcoredeathcore
I've heard that complaint from countless oldsters about every type of genre they don't like. My favorite was some old lady saying that she couldn't stand her son listening to PEARL JAM because it was all screaming and she couldn't understand the lyrics.
@@connercampbell9086 At that point it's just someone not making any effort to give something a chance. I've seen this a million times over.
I really can't hear the mumbling vocals in the part where the producer is auto-tuning. Is that recording a guy singing a song in the shower and making up the words?
Cuase everyone knew what Kurt Cobain was saying when they heard teen spirit the first time?
Those examples of over-produced drums is literally why I have a hard time with most metal recordings of today. I can love the band and the songs, but when I feel like the drummer isn't a human anymore I just lose interest. Humanity in music still a good thing? I hope so.
Yes. They take all the reverb out of it and it sounds like someone tapping on a textbook
Then you have the people who wanna learn how to play said songs on drums. They sit there for who knows how long trying to match what they hear on the song, possibly physically hurting themselves trying to match it. Then end up giving up on there dreams completely cuz they are not good enough to play there favorite songs, so they take it as not being good enough entirely. Kinda depressing esp when they had no clue it was edited that heavily in post.
what is "humanity" for you? Just the ability to make mistakes? Not the thing I would be proud of.
A drummer can just simplify his part a bit, make over 9000 takes and record it so tight that it would sound like a computer.
On the other hand, you can randomize and "humanize" notes and timings and velocities and make computer sound almost like a human being. Do you know why not so many bands do that, at least at the level you'd like to hear? Because the audience wants (and demands!) a more technical, more tight and compressed and "in your face" sound. Blame the audience, not the computers
It's just bad production, in a good production you wouldn't notice that the drummer is not human
Couldn't agree more. When I listen to Led Zeppelin - that's not my favorite band. But I'm always stunned by the organic quality of it. No click, you know.
I think what you just said is exactly why people think it used to be better everything is so perfect and polished; and often I want to hear the humanity and the imperfections.
But that's still only your definition of what 'good' or 'bad' music needs to fit into. Hell, I'll bet people thought electric guitars were the devil when they first became widely used. Things evolve.
Old music, better songs, new music, better sound. Thats about it.
"Better sound" is not the case. A good song is a good song, has character about it.
Exactly I will take music in the 90s and and 80s any day then music of today
Every has opinions get over it
No one:
Every old head: “AlL ThE sONgs aRE AbOuT pARtying! MuSIC uSEd tO MeAN SOmEtHiNG!”
Me: Because Motley Crüe’s Girls Girls Girls means sooo much.
I know, right?
Girls Girls Girls is a dick album tho & it aged really well
Lol yep so deep I wonder what the true meaning behind it is.
You have to look at the subtext that the wordsmiths of hair metal packed that song with to understand it's true meaning. Lines like
"Crazy Horse, Paris, France
Forget the names, remember romance" could have seemlessly fit into any song off of Bob Dylan's Highway 61 Revisited!
Like in the video there have always been those songs but in rap at least it didnt feel shoved down your throat until now where no matter where you are online you see it
It depends of the style... For hard rock/heavy metal/thrash metal I love the old prod/sound of the 70's/80's. Same for synthpop in the 80's and hip hop/pop/dance in the 90's. It's all about the charm of the prod/sound. For death/black/hardcore/punk new prod are better.
60ies and 70ies still rules. Led Zeppelin, The Beatles, The Who, Jimi Hendrix, The Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, Black Sabbath, The Kinks, The Ramones, Deep Purple... Come on...
Andreas Chlapek 90’s had oasis, green day, nirvana ;)
Oasis is dog shit
Yea
People: Pops the best
Others: No way 200s music for life!
Even more random ppl: Nah man rock n roll for life
Me: *listens to 1700s Sea Shanties with the boys
a person of culture 😌
Same
cringe comment
Two albums that hold up insanely well are Motley Crue's Dr. Feelgood and Skid Row's Slave To The Grind. It's insane that both are over 30 years old.
Girls, Girls, Girls from that era is also solid today
yeah, because queen or pink floyd or the smiths or rush or thin lizzy dont hold up either. lol. if we start to write the great albums of 60s-90s, our keyboards will be destroyed.
How do hair metal bands hold up well? That fad was a short time period in the 80s...no hair metal holds up well today lol
@@katiemcweeny8196 Talking about recording quality here of course. And Skid Row was never "hair metal" outside of the few ballads, they have always been heavy metal.
For me, To Fast For Love is my favorite Motley Crue album.
Old band good! New band bad!
Kids these days bad
Old band good! New album bad!
Music in a nutshell
My most memorable day was driving 4 hours down south to watch PWD. I remember thinking in the car "theres no way parkway hasn't edited there drums". Get to the tiny school hall and end up on stage as they play flesh bones and weakness. "OK, I think I found my new favorite band". With there talent and the work they put in, they deserve how big they have gotten
You need to listen to the album Aja by Steely Dan. It was recorded in 1977 and it sounds like it was recorded today.
Also their album Gaucho, released in 1980, it's a proof that music back in the day could sound as good as today's music.
Bruh "kid wearing classic rock shirts while in the 10th grade" that hit me hard
I am that kid
Me along with every street punk and oi band you can think of. I’m still that guy haha at 29
Back in high school I loved to call kids out who pulled that shit and be like “hey can you name me 3 songs from dark side of the moon?” And when they said “Wish you were here, Another brick in the wall pt. 2 and comfortably numb” I’d kick them in the jaw.
@@Zach-ec5pw I did that too. But those were mainly girls wearing Nirvana or Guns n Roses shirts lmao
Shouldn't even be a roast I don't get that
I think computers and technology have given crappy musicians a way to sound less crappy and an easier way to reach audiences to gain traction hence some people get the illusion that music sucks today. There are a LOT more crappy artists now than there were in the 80s and 90s because they can get out there easier.
I do however believe that there are musicians in every genre that are just as talented as some of those old time legends if not MORE talented.
100 per cent.
literally exactly what I think.
agreed
Basically the entire trap genre.
Nah, we just remember the great ones, and kinda forget the Dog's Eye Views or the strange Eurodance obsession we had between 1990 and 1997.
I’m getting to the point where I feel like everything was better in the past but I’m skeptical that my bias might be acting out.
When people say old music is better than contemporary music, they’re not talking about the production value.
The biggest problem is that if things are always fixed by computers, most artists can't reproduce the same edited sound
Sean Lishman thats what a skilled producer is for. Finding the middle ground. The video literally included a clip of a producer discussing that EXACT issue.
And the “biggest problem” is actually that streaming platforms and their algorithm-based nature rewards novelty and quantity over quality, discouraging artists from fine tuning projects and crafting challenging art. It also creates a massive incentive to release the absolute *shortest* product possible, so listeners can stream it a maximum number of times.
The result is a paradox wherein musicians are encouraged to release 40 track ‘albums’ full of 90 second songs. (See Chris Brown and Tierra Whack). Ironically, this also means the breakdown, which birthed hiphop, is about to go extinct in a world ruled by the genre. Basically, the problem is - The future looks like Minor Threat’s ‘Greatest Hits’ album on the high end and Demolition Man’s joke about advertising jingles as ‘classic rock’ on the low.
Sean Lishman this is why Live performances are everything. There is many artist like Mayer for instance Stevie Ray Vaughn jazz and blues players that are better live. There’s a lot of punk bands I’ve seen over the years that are good live too. You ever seen some of the big stars like Drake or someone like that live? They suck and just mouth words over the song playing
Keith Remedy DRAKE played my university shortly before his first album dropped. He was... not good. It’s very hard to be a dynamic live act doing hip-hop/rap. Especially outside of a club setting.
Kirk hammet can't do it neither, and never could (even before computers), so fcking what?
The quality of a music is not determined by time, but by concepts... .
Well said
Even if the drums are edited, it still sounds good that THATS what makes music good, not how it’s made
Yes.
Music is timeless, anyone that considers themselves to be a music fan knows this. It transcends recording quality and equipment, but good songwriting will always be good songwriting. There's a reason why people will still be listening to bands like Slayer, Led Zeppelin, Motorhead, The Beatles, etc for many many years to come. New music isn't better or worse than old music, it's just music. And if it excites you and makes you feel good listening to it then why does it matter if its from 1974 or 2074?
How dare you “pump up the jams” is a classic!
When he insulted the scatman, I got legit angry.
Don't pump up the jams, kick them out.
scatman defense force united
I miss back when music was lyres and epic poems about killing dragons.
Richard Gerlach Maybe give power Metal a try 😁
Your Friendly Neighborhood Smark that’s poser bullshit.
Vocal editing takes the soul out of anyone's voice, even a tiny bit messes it up, great singers shouldn't use it
Maybe to you but that's only your own definition of what 'good' music needs to be. People would have hated electric guitars and called them fake long long ago.
I’m currently growing up with this new music (I’m 16 and no I don’t wear classic rock t shirts). I’ve been looking through music and listening to music from decades ago, and in comparison to today’s music, it just feels like there’s more substance to some of it. Of course, I’ve heard lackluster songs from the past, but the quality of newer songs in terms of lyrical substance, meaning, and instrumental quality really seems to have gone down, it’s almost depressing. Just because production is better doesn’t mean the quality of the substance in the music is better. It all sounds either too dull or too over saturated with no in-between. That’s just what I’ve noticed, though
Well said.
👍👍👍 this.right.here!
The problem is the over saturation of sounding the same like rap now a days has this trap rhythm as a base. And metal, hardcore consisting of the djent sound. 2nd is the lack of recognition cause people say stuff like this as well because a record company not diversifying their palette and introducing them to artist that are out of the norm.
I also went to youtube settings and changed the playback from 1080HD mode to 144 mode so I could watch this like I used to in the early 2000's.
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Legend
so to sum the video: new music has better production while old music has better songwriting
Incorrect
you want to tell me that the songwriting in music has gotten progressively better
@@ThePunkRockMBA Look dude this is what I'm gathering from the points you're trying to bring out but its ok were all entitled to our own opinions even if they aren't right
I find it really weird that people classify music in "centuries" and not in "genres". When people say "80s music is the best" do they mean like... All of it? From soft rock and trash metal to post-disco, synth-pop, Michael Jackson, Joy Division etc etc? Or do they mean only the top selling artists? I don't get it.
I genuinely like a lot "bad recordings" or "lo-fi" shit. In some genres, its an aesthetic, like black metal.
I will admit though, that listening to a ton of glistening beautiful sounding mixes for a while and then going back to older or intentionally lofi stuff is quite a shock. I just dont believe that inherently detracts from its artistic value.
That's a fine thing to say, but that's not what Finn was saying. He was just saying that it doesn't automatically make the older artists better.
One thing I first thought when I saw this video was up is a quote from the relatively new slipknot song “All Out Life” where it says “old does not mean dead/new does not mean best” and that rings true for me. I love old music (even before my time), but new stuff is just as valid. What matters to me is songwriting (in the context in which it was intended).
I think it's easy to say older music is better, especially when you didn't live in the decade you wanted to lol
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Exactly
Music is way better back then. The music of today cant hold a candle to music of the past.
Do a whole video with that Harms Way neck.
fe3bal not harms way if he doesnt pop his shirt off 3 mins into the vid
Inb4 Harms Whey
Hahahahahah
I agree that the amount of cherry picking is in HIGH GEAR. Quick example: why do you always here the same stuff on oldies radio if the music was so great?
Rock/metal station I typically listen to play a mix between newer and older, but on a typical 8 hour work day I do not hear the same song twice, maybe the same songs the next day. But not twice in one day.
Whenever I put it on one of those current pop music ones tho I hear the same songs every two to three hours or so. Which I like both to an extent but there is only so many times I can listen to "bad guy" in one day before I get annoyed with it. Even tho I like that song every now and then lol.
Turn your cap around sideways and start talking niggah-whigga shit.
@@Staz1313 I think the reason that works is there's a far larger pool to pull music from. For example if you have, say, a station that's focused on modern pop vs one that pulls from everything from the 70s, 80s, 90s and 2000s, one has a far wider library to pull from. It's easier to listen to a "classic hits" station than a station with a strict playlist for music that needs marketing now for that reason in my opinion.
@@deathmetalderro Meanwhile, in 1960, Itsy Bitsy Teenie Weenie Yellow Polka Dot Bikini was a Billboard number 1 hit. In 1958 you had The Chipmunk Song (Christmas Don't Be Late) do the same thing. I'm not sure I want to go back to those days.
I just like music both old and new. To me there are 2 types of music: Music I like and music I personally don't like. And those 2 types of music can be found in all time periods
6:47 Thats also the case with cars. We objectively make them feel better, work better and more efficient than in the 70s and 80s, but that doesn't mean they don't look like shit.
*plays a bunch of classic hits*
"hah see nobody likes that trash"
The answer is BOTH old and modern music CAN BE good.
Ha- well thats kinda what i said
Also what’s wrong with sax solos? I personally love them
How does this guy finds bands that no one knows and talks about them like if they represented a whole generation. Need to get out of the bubble you live in boy.
Yeah, what an asshole
Honestly, aside from the 80's cheese he played, I don't recognize any of the others.
I've literally heard songs from the 60's with better sound than those 90s unrecognizable songs.
I mean a lot of those sounds from the 80s and 90s are pretty aesthetic ngl. Love vaporwave
“The Baroque Age was throwing down! Nobody plays them like that anymore.”
The Forest Rebel Dude! Vivaldi and Bach is the shit!
ugh, the baroque age is so derivative. everyone knows that gregorian chant is the pinnacle of music.
Carlos Jimenez nah, the true music is lyre music from the ancient greeks
I'm glad someone said this with your type of platform. There are pros and cons to every era of music and like you said I love all the genre bending that's been happening lately. I'm way too musically diverse to just lis to the same stuff. Thanks dude you're doing a public service!🤘🤘🤘
89s/90s kid here. I do like some newer bands and hip hop artist, but as much as I try the slick digital production sucks the life from music. I cannot stand a perfect sounding song. Now give me Misfits 'Earth AD", Nirvana "Bleach" or Op Ivy and I'm game. As a guitar player tone is important and the flat metal sound gives each band the same exact tone. The old German metal band Accept had killer tone. Guns n Roses "Appetite for Destruction has great guitar/bass /drum tone. Huge!
I cannot explain it, but something is lost these days. Maybe the humanity in music?
Simply my opinion.
Yes, music is constantly evolving. However, this growth is not being reflected in the mainstream culture which I think is the most frustrating issue here sadly.
But you are hardly in the impartial situation to say that. No one is.
"What happened to saxophone solos?" They ended up on Ghost and Japanese Breakfast records.
Hannah Elisabeth and even nine inch nails and m83
The Revivalists - Wish I Knew You
or Rivers of Nihil
'Computers ruined music!'
... Trent Reznor begs to differ...
I kinda agree Trent reznor is a fucking god tho.
@@bryanshore2257 Oh definitely!
Marilyn Manson
@@hurricane_valence Was discovered by Trent, yes.
Trent Reznor is nearly an EGOT, nobody should ever say such a boomer statement! His film scores like The Social Network & Gone Girl are works of genius, can't wait for Mank.
I was today years old when I learned that autotune is the name of a program and not just a technique of making vocals sound more in tune.
If it wasn't for old music, this new music wouldn't exist
I really love the old music, because the artist had so much freedom and so many ideas, which happened to creat completely new genres and subgenres. Todays music kind of lacks originality and it lacks in slmething new and inovative.
You seem to be confusing the quality of low budget music production with the quality of song writing in general; if you look at the most popular songs from each year the standard of song writing has definitely declined. There was a study I read about which investigated what you need to do to a song to make it sound more modern and their conclusion was basically to make it louder and simpler (removing harmonies etc).
The quality of recording you are able to achieve today with a very low budget is way higher than what you could achieve say 10-20 years ago before computer-based home recording became popular/affordable, before that your only option for budget home recording from around 1980 onwards was basically one microphone in the middle of a room, which is how they would record pop music in the 50s and in the 50s it just wasn't possible to record music at home.
So yes, modern technology has allowed more people to produce better sounding/mixed music at a much lower price than ever before but that does not mean that the song writing is better.
@jvalex18 It did.
Shaquan Jamison Bro there’s so much great music being released today
@@Lightning-gg5iu There is some, but not much.
Shaquan Jamison No there is a lot of good music today. Just this year there has been some awesome albums released
OMG exactly!!! This is so stupid
As an engineer, here's my 2 cents about vocal tuning and drum sampling.
People like good performances but they also love to see the effort it takes to give good perfomances. Auto-tune and drum sampling are great at polishing the mistakes out of a performance, but they can also make them feel effortless. Join that to the fact that every engineer (even the beginners) nowadays can do basic tuning and replacing and also to the natural lack of confidence and doubts players have when they're recording and you can see how easy it is to end up with everything overproduced. And that's the real problem, the sonic quality of nowadays' songs is (on average) way higher, but also feel every new producer is slightly less experienced and the computer is also taking a way bigger part on the recording process and that leads to newer bands having a less diverse sound than they used to.
I feel like every decade or so we repeat some of the mistakes done a few decades before and to me this one is kinda echoing the 80's but instead of linndrum snares and gated reverbs everyone is using slate snares and reverbs. Point being, the pendulum is swinging hard to the overproduced side of things right now, but it will eventually swing back one way or another. Hell, in the past 6 years or so, there has been a huge lofi craze in the indie scene where everyone records with 8 track tascam reel to reels, all playing live with minimal mics on the instruments. Bands like Parquet Courts, Ty Segall, King Gizzard, Mac Demarco... I don't know... it's just trends I guess...
Well said
Modern music just sounds uninspired or maybe I’m just to old
Never really judged a band or singer/musician heavily on the quality of the studio albums. Because I think the true test for a musician or singer is the live show. Especially when you have been on tour for a while.
If anyone here knows Pink Floyd, Metallica, the eagles or Bob Marley they know why I prefer old music.
Just for you to know, I play guitar so my music taste is different anyway
boomer
@@HennyESP ignorant zoomer. In 70s artists were almost free with experimentation and artsy
Ps: I'm a zoomer too
If anyone here knows pink Floyd who doesn’t know Pink Floyd
John Lemon many people sadly
Pratiman Gautam there’s still music that is still free experimentating with music, such as meshuggah getting crazy with the chug and created djent. And microtonal lofi, that’s some hard thing you know
This video speaks volumes of truth man. The funny thing is, people were saying the same "today's music sucks" thing 20 years ago. I remember in the 90s, one of my buddies telling me that sex pistols and the Ramones were the only "real punk bands"
I like how he basically ignores how auto tuned singers carry it into live performances these days.
On the whole, there was a lot more talent in the top 50 in terms of playing instruments as well as live singing. But things were far more primitive.
I personally prefer music nowadays. When I was younger I found it difficult to find music I really connected with. I had my favorite bands and songs but I always felt something was missing. The benefit of today is we have all the knowledge of things that worked in the past with music and improved on it. For example I am almost 30 and can find songs that have been recently released that I absolutely enjoy pretty easily which was near impossible 15 years for me.
I love it when people are like "Hip hop used to have a message, now it's just about partying and sex." Hip hop STARTED at parties and there is no shortage of braggadocios hip hop from acts like Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five or The Cold Crush Brothers. These days hip hop is so diverse, to say that it's ALL about partying and sex is absurd.
Exactly
MrMysterious they were bragging about who’s the best mc more than just jewelry and hip hop started at parties yes partys yes but that was before the concept of an mc came along
Jeg Hunckel oh that’s good shit man
Not to mention, a lot of those people say "you have to be able to freestyle to be a real rapper"... Well, "freestyle", the actual original meaning of the word was "free of style", because you threw away stile in favour of talking about how great you are. A lot of people need to know their roots.
I love all of your casual roasts in these videos. "Like the kid who wears classic rock shirts to school even though he's in 10th grade" lmao
@Frank Sennholz it's a joke, don't be such a pussy
He said "wears...shirts", not "listens to". Many of those wearing the shirts have no idea what the bands on their shirts sound like.
@Frank Sennholz that's the spirit!
Lol You're such a groupie
That's me
I found out about your channel a few months ago and I find myself just watching this older videos because I can't wait for the new ones 😅
I really like your channel Finn, thank you for giving me a reason to watch CZcams videos again.
Thanks man, appreciate it!
Better production quality does not make the music (songs) better.
I wish some people could realize this...
Some angry white dude: "Rap used to be all about social commentary, and now it's just meaningless party music"
Sugarhill Gang: "I said a hip, hop a hippy, a hippy hippy hip hip hop and ya don't stop"
David Greenwood that was before the concept of social commentary Came into rap
@@nejayandnick454 Sugarhill Gang was practically before the concept of rap came into rap
David Greenwood well the concept of rap or rapping was way before Sugarhill gang was put together
David Greenwood and released rappers delight in 1980 and Sugarhill gang didn’t write the song which I find funny about it
Even better example that can't get you into "Sugarhill Gang doesn't count". Summertime from back when Will Smith was still the MC in DJ Jazzy Jeff and the Fresh Prince.
Just found this one. I appreciate your respect for all music. It's really a resolution I have made this year to not shit on artists or people that like those artists. It's nice to see.
Couldn’t agree more.
I can understand the production argument. Go listen to rock and metal and even country in the 70's. Then go to the 80's, 90's and the 2000's and you can hear the difference in the technology they was using to record it.
But however, the problem isn't really the technology it's the fact the blues has been removed from rock music. That's the reason us 44 year old gen X'rs are saying stuff like "back in my day, people could actually play"
I remember watchin this Deep purple documentary & Ritchie Blackmore saying how much he was born in the wrong generation & wished he lived in the 1600's. Like people in their 20's these days that fetishise 70's rock as much as I adore 1970's rock in its many forms. Like Thin Lizzy are my Favourite band.
First of all, how DARE you include Counting Crows as an example of a crappy 90s band
Other than that I agree with this video 1000%
Yes lad
'Born in the wrong' generation kids:
"Guys! Look! I listen to pink floyd amd queen! I listen to pink floyd and queen! Aren't you impressed?? I said i listened to pink floyd AND queen!"
Edit: Oh, cool. Likes.
Man I love pink Floyd. Dark side of the moon is the most abused logo in pop culture though.
and van der graaf generator too and ac dc.
As somebody who was actually born in the (Read:The not 'le') wrong generation, these kids really piss me off
Hawkwind and rory Gallagher too.
Camel and Jethro Tull too.
Way I see it, there's good and bad in every era. It's just how you choose to look at things. If you go into something looking for the garbage, guess what you are going to find? If you take the time to look for good stuff, you will find it.