Jesse James vs. Robert Ford: Did the coward who shot Mr. Howard get what he deserved?
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- čas přidán 22. 11. 2022
- What a bizarre, grotesquely domestic ending to one of the most legendary outlaws of the American West. Robert Ford was in cahoots with his brother Charlie and another gang member of the James Gang, Dick Liddil who killed Jesse's cousin Wood Hite and quickly buried him, turned himself in and ratted out the gang. When Jesse saw Liddil's name in the newspaper, he smelled a rat and Ford allegedly killed his hero before James could kill him. We will attempt to make sense of all this.
Bob Boze Bell is known as America's Western Storyteller. He is an artist, author, writer and serves as executive editor of True West magazine. Bell is a popular, sought-after figure in television documentaries about the Old West, appearing as an expert in dozens of Wild West history shows. Bell won an Emmy Award as Executive Producer of the PBS special, Outrageous Arizona, a zany look at the state's centennial, that he also wrote and helped direct. As an author, Bell has brought to life Billy the Kid, Geronimo, Doc Holliday, Wyatt Earp and Wild Bill Hickok in his best-selling Illustrated Life and Times series. His books Classic Gunfights I, II and III are must-reads about the most important Old West gunfights. Bell’s Bad Men is now in its fourth printing, while his illustrated autobiography, The 66 Kid: Raised on the Mother Road, gives personal insight into the passions that have driven him on his lifelong quest to interpret the history of the American West for audiences around the world.
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The Long Riders was good. But yes , this latest version with Pitt was very good. There was a tense atmosphere the whole movie no matter what they were doing. Even eating dinner gave you an on the edge feeling. All the acting was excellent. Each character seemed very realistic.
Dude… I’ve got to tell you… I LOVE your videos… You make these old stories and characters absolutely come alive… Your enthusiasm comes through with every story and makes ME love these old west stories…
I felt the same way when I saw the movie. I also think that Brad Pitt did a masterful job portraying Jesse James as a scary criminal.
Great, thanks Mr Bell.
Thing is, that song kind of makes me emotional etc, ... but on the other hand, Jesse James murdered innocent people. He wasn't a good guy by any means even though he has been celebrated in song and movies as such. I often wonder how the brothers, sisters, parents and widows of the innocent men the James gang killed felt about the James gang and all of the hero worship they've received.
Thank you for the history lesson. The assassination of Jesse James is one of my favourite films of all time. Superb acting, cinematography, underlying message, and like you said, Affleck was robbed at the Oscars, his best of all time IMO. Didn't decendants of Jesse say how accurate the film was?
That movie is a top 5 all time for me....Right up there with Gangs of New York, There will be blood, Das Boot, and a few others--Brad Pitt did Jesse right from my modern perspective...But the surrounding cast all deserved awards I thought
BBB's "storytime" is always informative and entertaining. 🙂
I was a extra in that movie. Really interesting to be there and see the way it was put together. A great experience for sure.
sure you were lol
@@bikerguy5829? Not hard to believe. Adam from YMS was an extra they needed tons up in Canada.
@@bikerguy5829 why ? Must of been plenty of extras
Cool. Did you get paid ?
The Long Riders is a terrific film and the soundtrack was written by Ry Cooder. It's very listenable by itself.
Long Riders had many false scenes in it
The movie is my #1 favourite. I can’t give it enough praise. I wasn’t particularly interested in the history until I saw the film. Great video. Thanks for the work.
Yes living here in James’ old stomping grounds and knowing the history inside and out, it’s a excellent movie. One of my favorite movies.
Bob,
Thanks for another wonderful video!
You praised the movie "The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford" at the end of the program. I'm in total agreement! It's one of my favorites. (Pitt and Affleck both deserved Oscar nominations.)
I've probably seen just about every Jesse James movie ever made (I'm well into my 70s), and none comes close to the Pitt/Affleck film or the Ron Hansen novel on which it is based.
I have a question: At the beginning of the film (and in the novel, if memory serves), the narrator tells us that Jesse was missing the nub of a finger on his left hand -- and that he had a condition known as "granulated eyes" (which, although Pitt's Jesse doesn't blink much) "...caused him to blink more than usual". Many sources corroborate the "granulated eyes" story.
I have found multiple sources which claim he DID lose a finger (or a large part of it), but sources differ as to which finger. Can you shed any light on the missing finger claims?
-- Old Matt
The most common self-inflicted injury for people practicing the two-handed "combat stance" fast draw is to shoot of the tip of the middle finger of the left hand. And that was precisely what jesse james was missing. He claimed he did it while cleaning his gun but my suspicion is he didn't want to explain why an innocent, guiltless citizen such as himself was practicing the fast draw. It also shows the two handed grip was popular then also because it's effective, even though the never show it in Western movies.
I agree with your assessment of "The Assassination of Jesse James." I too had a great deal of sympathy for Robert Ford.
I find it amazing how many families, Areas has a story about James gang or Frank or Jesse stayed there.
Hi Bob, long overdue comment, your stories our amazing but mainly because of the way you tell them and the knowledge you have, here’s an idea for a video, your top 5 western films and why, anyway keep up the amazing work
I really like this movie, I'm so glad it's accurate bc I feel cheated when a movie based on history just makes it up as they go along. Thanks this was really informative!
Thank You Bob, Happy Thanksgiving
Jesse and Frank went to California one year to see their uncle Drury James, jesse was wounded and stayed in Paso Robles to heal up. Thanks for the video, Happy Thanksgiving 🦃
I just found your channel and I love it. Western history is one of my favorites. Glad you do this. Keep up the good work
Well told, sir. Always a pleasure.
Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family.
$14 per month in 1882 is equal to $409.08 per month today. And $115 equals $3,359.94. Auction wasn't too shabby.
I love your videos …. Please do one on LoneSome Dove !!! Greatest western of all time !!!
Love your stories I’m a Okie keep them coming.
Brad Pitt is from Missouri, so it was probably a movie that was a little more important to him.
To me, this movie was kind of creepy, because it immediately reminded me of the guy who shot John Lennon. He was a fan of Lennon's, and he was also a nobody who thought he would become somebody by shooting Lennon. It didn't work out for him that way, any more than it worked out for Robert Ford.
Well, now I have to get the blue ray! Another fascinating story. Thank you.
Reading the book again.
Another great video, and that is a fantastic movie you mentioned too.
Most people I know do not like that movie but I found myself watching it 3 times because of the very reason you said, it seems to be spot onn with books I've read & bleak has it is thats probably how it went down, a very cold movie I must add alot of snow and dark. Thank you
And the ," He's on a journey...." as Jesse's cousin was shot . A little creepy , that line.
I love this movie, awesome that its more of a psychological thriller about existence, fate, celebrity, America, etc..
Hello Bob, always enjoyed your articles, videos and the true west documentaries you made appearances in.
Hell ya man! You got our SUB!
Thank you, Sir! I was looking for a good movie to watch on this Thanksgiving of 2022!
where have you been this movie was released 2007, and how could any one felt any hate toward robert ford , he got rid of a criminal though he was one too , and dont say the war turned them that way , war have ruined many a young men over the millenniums and we have only us to blame .
Always enjoy your videos and your style of delivering the stories
Thx ! Great Story Jss
Elton John had a song with the lyric:
I feel like a bullet in the gun of Robert Ford
I know what a paid assassin is
You know I'm cold as a hired sword
That is a great movie I loved it ,very sad all around and your typical western and that's what i loved about it! (but I still love Clint Eastwood ,John Wayne ext; movies too)!
Good job!
I agree with your assessment of the movie.
I would pay for more videos lol I love this channel and your storytelling
I love these 😎👍🏼
Great job Mr. Bell. Have a happy Thanksgiving!
Love your channel, paid subscriber also - but I’m having a hard time with your mustache being off kilter, no offense - just an observation.
Thank you so much for doing this
At the end of the day, a crook killed another crook. Neither were worthy to be remembered as anything more than that. Idolizing criminals is one of the strangest of human behaviors.
Fascinating information! I am glad to know that you feel the movie is an accurate representation. I saw the movie and was impressed by its realism and the dark, depressing lifestyle of an old west outlaw (Jesse James). Thanks for sharing this!
Any thoughts on Wyatt Earp and The Coeur d Alenes. I read somewhere that Wyatt was fined for claim jumping near Murray Idaho 188?. I am new to your vlog and very much enjoy it. John in N. Idaho
It's my favorite movie I totally agree with you on every level. I was at the cemetery when they exhumed his body for the DNA test
how did he look ?
Your assessment of the movie is spot on! Very well done flick!
60 some years ago, while on a family vacation, my dad, a history major in college, pulled our car off the road. The sign said The House Where Jessie James Was Shot. We went inside and toured the place. Besides old memorabilia, they had a set of steps so you could, as advertised, Put Your Finger In The Hole. This was supposed to be the same hole that the killing bullet was removed from. Pretty wild stuff for a 10 year old boy! My dad reminded me, afterwards about a note on our tour that said all of the wood in the house had been replaced 2 or 3 times because of all the people who carved off a chunk of the house for a souvenir. We were both sure the bullet hole in the wall would have been an early target. My souvenir was a reprint of a Dime Magazine on the Murder of Jessie James.
In the movie, the house is on a hill. Today, the house is on another location and they used the dirt of the hill to level off the streets of the town.
Rip 🌹🌹🌹 JesseJames .✝️ ♥️
Ford used a colt peacemaker, famously photographed in fords hand. Idk why the movie makes it a schofield.
There were claims it was a Smith and Wesson but even Jesse Edward James, Jesse's son said it was a Colt.
The movie shows Jesse James as a cruel and sadistic man. That would fit his history as a bushwhacker who rode with Bloody Bill Anderson. No one who rode with him was safe. Of course, the ten thousand dollar reward would tempt anyone, especially criminals like him. A great movie worth investing the time to watch.
His history as a guerrilla fighter with Quantrill's Raiders give you the origins of the college rivalry between Mizzou & kansas.
I loved it, I've watched it more than twice lol. It's so gritty and the scenes in the hideout in the woods were great.
It was a different time, you need to know how his family was treated to understand why he went hard out like he did. Do a lil research.
@@williamm7194 History is my hobby, so I have done research. He was born into the war at its worst. Civilians always suffer the worst and his family certainly did. He had reason to join Quantril and Bloody Bill. He became a killer equal to them during his time as a bushwhacker. After the Civil War, he waged his own war against Allan Pinkerton and his agents. I don't judge him, but he certainly wasn't the hero Hollywood has portrayed him in many movies. This movie doesn't do that, so it's worth watching.
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A thin line between famous and infamy
Great video, if I may ask Mr. Bell , how well do you think the movie done with the characters personalities compared to the real life people? Dick Liddell seems to be kind of a ladies man, and Bob Ford is kinda quiet and shy but yet fascinated with Jesse James, even as far as knowing what size boot Jesse wears. I was just curious how historically accurate all that was?
The MO Star has a different account, that was published 3 or 4 days after this event. It involves a Franklin Stove being delivered to Mr Hward.... and he took his guns off to get it thru the door - because they would be a problem.
I was watching the history channel one day, there was guy who was a retired detective, from Kanas City I think. He made a case, that James might have lived. His theory was that some one else was killed, the Knights of the Golden Circle, helped with the details. Along with the finances after the death of JJ. I was wondering had you seen this show and what are your thoughts on it. I have enjoyed your comments and books over the years
Happy Thanksgiving, Bob!!
Jesse James is one of my favorite outlaw I still learn about. One of my coworkers a long time ago is a cousin of Jesse James. It shocked me.
The ballad of Jesse James is still my favorite wild west ballad, I hum it from time to time.
I hope you do a life and times of Jesse James book as you did with the others.
Also it was $10,000 for Jesse and Frank dead or alive, not $5,000.
My question to Bob.. is do you think the gun that killed Jesse James still exists?
What is up with those ‘Fords”?
It is a pretty good movie
Interesting 🤔
Oooo boy
I agree Brad Pitts movie is great. Loved everything about it.
I have a question, Jesse never took his guns off. No one has ever seen him without them. The reasoning I have heard about the heat and the door open doesn't fly for me. Why did he take his guns off this ONE Time? Something doesn't add up. Thanks
I dont think rober was a coward like everybody say he was beause when jess found out that little trun himself in to the cops he would of kill him an his brother knowing something was going on but when he made a play about it was a little over to much of killing jess Jane's I think that was uncalled for
Was it a preemptive strike i think it was.
The Long Riders is the best IMO.
Jesse james son was jesse edward james his daughter was susan
3 children.. Jesse had 3 children
Pitt was good. What happened to pat garret? He got his "reward" in the middle on the road like FORD.
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He can't even get the title of the movie correct.
I love “The last days of Frank and Jesse” with Johnny Cash and Kristofferson.
Being a "yankee" who's mother's family was from Northfield, I see all these people as weak and cowardly. If they weren't, they'd been hard working citizens rather than thieves and murderers. Younger's, James and Ford! I do agree with that movie being probably closer to the truth!
You don't get it for Jesse James the Civil War never ended. Bloody Bill Anderson and Archie Clements we're his brother in arms and friends. I'm sure getting whipped as a kid and thrown salt in you wounds by Redlegs while watching your Stepfather being hanged seriously messed him up. Sure he committed terrible crimes but in his mind they were justified.
@@digenesakritas1107 Justice? Why not go after the ex- redlegs? Why rob and murder those who had nothing to do those injustices? They where CRIMINALS not heroes
TAOJJBTCRF is like watching poetry. It has been in my Top Ten list for years.
brad pitt movie was good they follow the book close
No money ? Jesse was a millionaire from all of his jobs !!!!!!!!!!
He used it up. Also, not very many big hit jobs
Jesse james shot a lot of people from behind, so i can't summon a lot of sympathy for him. I think some of his fame derives from that great song about him, "Poor Jesse had a wife to mourn for his life" etc.
If he was really shot dead!
There’s evidence to suggest that he lived to be a ripe old age!
Just saying!
But even if he was shot dead. Bob did the right thing. Wait until the killer was vulnerable and not ready and shoot him cold. It’s how the James brother’s and their gangs and the other criminals of the day treated their victims in the banks that they robbed.
I never heard of one time them waiting patiently for someone to get their gun before shooting at them!
Live by the sword, die by the sword! 😊
A couple of decades ago, they dug up Jesse and did a DNA match to the relatives. Interesting note is Jesse had a wound in his chest just at the end of the Civil War. The movie claimed it was still a wound and didn't heal properly. They found a lead bullet in the vicinity of Jesse's chest area in the casket. Zee, his cousin and later wife was his nurse.
@@shooterqqqq it’s interesting that Jesse James attended his Regimental reunion many times “after” his death. He signed the book to show his attendance (which matched earlier copies of his signature) and had his photo taken with other members of his Regiment.
I would have thought he would have been thrown out by his ear if he was an imposter?!?!
@@johncrouch8988 The DNA matched. Jesse was killed by Robert Ford. The lead bullet survived long after the flesh. Jesse's other wound was half of a missing finger. He lost it during the war while "cleaning" a revolver.
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The story of Jesse James accidentally shooting off a finger tip only appears in one source, which was written years after his assassination. ….Sticking with the facts, the autopsy showed no interest in the fingertips of Jesse James ..
@@rebelhorse1882 Jesse Edward James wrote there were two wounds on the right side of his chest. A wound on his leg. The absence of the tip of the middle finger on his left hand. I am saying wounds and not scars because that is how it was written.
thug got killed. victimless crime.
Well its been proven that jesse wasn’t killed. He died in 1934.
There is no evidence he died in 1934. There is DNA evidence and multitudes of evidence he died at the hands of Robert Ford.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dick_Liddil has a photo that looks a lot like your art