The Problems with the OK Corral
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- Many things about the shootout at the vacant lot behind the OK Corral are misunderstood.
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Being a Brit Western fan a few years back I had a vacation in Arizona, Tombstone and Boot Hill were amazing, loved every minute.
Thank You!
My dream was always to visit Langtry Tx ,the saloon of Judge Roy Bean - he's always been a love of my heart! We went one summer on vacation and it was fantastic! We also went to the Alamo and to Alamo Village movie set where the John Wayne movie was filmed.Ih the Longhorns were incredible on that ranch,as it's private property.I live in Texas and have years before our trip.Amd then I discover through ancestry search that my family has been Texans since before the Alamo and I'm related to Col.Travis by me paternal grandmother who was born a Travis. And settled in Abilene( near where I live) and in Morgan Mill,not far from the house I own
I now know I've come full circle ..right back toy roots where I needed to be I suppose!
The wife and I drove up to Tombstone ourselves. I grew up in Tucson, so very familiar with Tombstone.Her, my wife, being from California enjoyed the experiences of the outing 😷👍
My favorite detail about the shooting - that, bafflingly, still hasn't been filmed to my knowledge - is that it was lightly snowing in Tombstone on the day of the gunfight.
That would look absolutely amazing on film. No idea why no one has done it.
Maybe someone will.
I guess it's too unbelievable?
“He’d sell his own mother”. Sixty years ago my mother emphatically told me Wyatt Earp was a bad man. On the basis that her mother told her so. Grandma had an opinion on everything
He was clearly an opportunist. Not sure he was that bad of a man, compared to others.
@@ArizonaGhostriders Take away his fame and he probably isn't someone any of us would want to associate with, that's for sure.
@@ArizonaGhostriders … my grandmother was a widow with a grade school education in a small Iowa farm town. She had no connection to Arizona or the Earps. She probably got this opinion from a sermon.
@@Idahoguy10157 Either way, she may not have been wrong!
@@Devin_Stromgren I agree
Having worked with law enforcement it makes sense to me that the Earps would have their weapons drawn. After all, if you think you may need it, the last place it should be is in the holster.
Plus it adds that, "They've already got their guns out" psych-out which I bet throws the baddies off their game.
As they all had a legal right to do. Nevermind the fact that Wyatt later claimed that he believed they were there to kill him and his brothers. Why walk into that with a pistol tucked away if that's what you really believe?
Many believe that this shoot-out,was about controlling the profits that was to be made in Tombstone,rather than law enforcement.
As someone who’s been in the middle of a gun fight, shit happens fast and I think everyone sees what they see.
Trauma, shock, adrenaline whatever.. It really goes down quickly when bullets start flying.
Add to that black powder smoke restricting vision and it's amazing there was any accuracy at all.
Santee, I have a Co-worker who is a Grandson of the Clantons and McLaurys. His family records state that the Earps were Cattle Rustling also from Mexico. His family Diary states " That he didn't understand why the Earps were bothering them, because they rustled Cattle also. Enjoyed the show, and thanks for sharing this great History Lesson.
LOL! Well, that sure is interesting. I knew they were opportunists, but that's just funny.
Competing businesses then?
@@la_old_salt2241 According to my Co-worker's Mom, they knew what was going on with Earps. They didn't understand why they were bothering them, when they also were Cattle Rustling. His Mom has her Grandfather Clanton's Diaries.
Something that always bothered me is Doc Holliday's clothing in movies. eyewitnesses said he often ( and at the actual O.K. Corral gunfight, ) wore a black bowler hat with a black bow tie and a gray shotgun coat. I think a movie where he is portrayed that way would be fantastic.
Yes!
You know, you can just hear the joy and total excitement in Dan's voice when he said, "Wow, you're a wealth of knowledge." You can tell that he really meant that. Another great video. I look forward to reading the coroner's report on that. I always enjoy that. I may even post it in the mortician's group. I'll have to link it through your video so folks can get a better picture of what happened. Thanks for always being informative and entertaining.
As I mentioned. Prepare for bad grammar.
Last visited Tombstone 4 years ago. Was surprised how many longterm locals still seemed to hold to a grudge over the famous gunfight. I thought, if I, a descendant of Devil Anse Hatfield, can get over the Hatfield and McCoy feud, then these folks should be able to move on. But different places and slightly different eras. It's all good.
The Grahams and Tewksbury's still hold a grudge. I saw it first hand in Holbrook a few years ago.
There was a RPG called Boothill, it the boxed set was a map set with the full casting of the OK corral. We worked through what supposed to have happened, and we discovered some odd inconsistencies. At least as far as the mechanics are concerned. I've often wondered how off history is.
Most history is distorted. Sometimes on purpose. Just look at the modern news media. Future historians will use it to document "facts" even though they're outright lies.
Napoleon said......"history is a set of lies agreed upon.....". So why visit school regularly if bunch of lies is taught there....?
I remember boot hill!!
That makes 2 of us.. I still have the box set.. somewhere in my donjon
I saw that RPG!!
I forgot all about the Star Trek one. It'd be pretty neat to see every film version of just the shootout, different actors, directors and cinematographers. Very cool video Santee!
Thank You!
I do get a kick out of the fact that both the 1950’s movie and that Star Trek episode ‘Spectre of The Gun’ had actor DeForrest Kelly in them.
@@cha5 Oh yeah!!! It never occured to me.
One of my favorite star trek episodes.
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And playing the role of Frank McClowery too, I believe.
I went to Tombstone in the late 80's. Back then they had some gallows set up. I read a notice nearby where they listed the hangings that had taken place in the 1880's. I was surprised how few there were. At one point there was an interval of over 20 years between them, probably fewer than you might
get in a modern town
It's still there. At the Courthouse museum.
The Earps were charged with murder and a trial was held. There is a transcript of the trial on the internet. Many years ago I read a book titled “Wyatt Earp: The life behind the legend “ by Casey Tefertiller and is very interesting account of Wyatt and his life. I guess it is time re-read it again. Thanks for your videos. Always interesting.
They were never actually charged with murder, and no trial was held. They were indicted, and the inquest was held to decide whether there was enough evidence to bring the Earps and Holiday to trial. It was presided over by a Justice of the Peace, Wells Spicer, and there was no jury. Just an inquest.
Sorry, my bad. You are correct sir. Thanks for the update
It was pretty much a landslide for the Earps that "preliminary hearing"
Preliminary hearing was about it.
@@richiec7602 No prob.
Excellent recap, Santee! Like life, there is a lot of grey in this conflict. Neither groups had any angels among their members. As a side note, last time we were back in Nome we saw a plaque commemorating the location of Wyatt’s bar/saloon during the gold rush there. That guy got around!!
He did. Followed the opportunities.
Fun fact: Wyatt Earp’s authentic barstool had the seat replaced three times and each of its four legs and crossbars replaced several times each.
First rule of law enforcement…..Never bring a drunk dentist to a gunfight. Made for an interesting serial on the very early Dr Who. Thanks again Santee. Thoroughly enjoyed this.
LOL!!!
Who better than a dying psychopath drunk dentist with a shotgun?
@@veramoore9186 An advantage...if he's on your side.
I think that got slightly rubbed out from people always pointing to that rule
You solved the "who started it" issue - in both the movie Tombstone AND the Star Trek episode one of the bad guys makes the first move for his gun which precipitates the whole shootout. Congratulations Santee! Thanks for resolving a long disputed issue.
Well....Kirk knows all.
@@ArizonaGhostriders maybe Russell saw the Trek episode & believed Roddenberry had the facts...
@@mherod51 No doubt!
Great video. It is astonishing how myths, dime novels and movies have clouded the true story of what happened that day.
I know, right?
As a kid born in Arizonan, but only lived there till I turned 3 these videos really help me learn about the history of my state even if I can’t travel, thank you!
You're welcome!
Thanks for helping to blow away the smoke of mythology from this incident. I always thought it was simply the Earps cornering the Cowboys on the empty lot as they tried to leave town. A side note. The original metal bars in Earp's jail were dug up in Tombstone's garbage dump. The flat bars had a big rivet at each crossbar connection. The bars were very twisted and rusted. My friend Doug Thamert got the contract to use his forge to straighten and clean the bars so they could d be reinstalled in the old jail for historic authenticity. This Thamert did and when delivered for payment as per the contract no payment was made. Thamert was unable to get his money. The shadiness of this incident seems quite apropos for this shady time period snd history.
I'd say!
Amazing, you included Star Trek TOS in the scenes, a favorite episode of mine. Subscription earned!
Glad you enjoyed that.
Always a pleasure to watch your vids.
Brings the old west history, mood and flavor to all of us (France in my case).
Thx and keep going. 👍😃
Merci!
Lor, but seeing the Wyatt Earp TV series takes me back to my very young childhood. More recently I had a colleague, now sadly deceased, who was related to Wyatt - her surname was Earp too. Apparently the Earps, Clantons and Hollidays originally came from the British West Midlands (where my friend also lived) and some local historians wonder if the feud between them really began over here. PS - for my money the best OK Corral movie was an late 1930's film, almost now forgotten, starring Harry Carey Snr. It was certainly more accurate than the Burt Lancaster or Kevin Costner versions.
There were a few Earp children. Even though Wyatt never had any, others did.
Another awesome episode Santee! Always cool to learn about the gunfight in the vacant lot by CS Fly's studio next to the OK Corral.
Fun fact, I was born on the 100th Anniversary of the gunfight.
Glad you enjoyed it. WoW on sharing the date!
Excellent and very informative. It has been interesting to see how this incident has been spun over the years. Thanks Santee! Have a great weekend!
You're welcome.
One of your best yet! Thanks for that y'all do!!!
Glad you enjoyed it
Terrific video, Santee!
I've discussed this with many modern proponents of both sides, that the Earps were heroes, and that they were villains. One argument of the anti-Earp side is that there is no real evidence that any of the Clantons or McLaurys ever threatened any of the Earps.
Of course, we know that morning, Virgil "buffaloed" Ike Clanton, and Wyatt did the same to Tom McLaury. Here's what I think happened. Prior to the gunfight, as they were preparing to leave town, the Clantons and McLaurys were were talking, very publicly, about what had happened, and were letting off some steam. "I'm gonna kill Wyatt for what he did to me," ranted Tom McLaury. "Yeah, and I'm gonna kill Virgil!" replied Ike.
They probably were not serious threats, but they were heard saying this by the witness called H.F. Sills and others, who reported those words to Marshal Earp as serious threats. Of course Virgil took these threats seriously, and set out to disarm those men.
But I do not believe that the Earps set out to murder the Clantons and McLaurys, just to disarm them.
Just my educated opinion!
-Desert Rat Rick
I think Virgil was probably the one who would have just disarmed them, but the others were maybe out to settle the score.
Great episode as always. Love the perspective you put on it. Great to see Dirty Dan!
Thank You!
Very interesting and well done as usual, and it's great that you included the classic Star Trek clip. While I've seen a number of versions of the story over the years I've seen that one the most.
Right?? Me too.
Bat Masterson had been in Tombstone with Wyatt Earp before the incident next to the OK Corral but had to go off to assist his brother and by the time he returned the fight was over. If he had been there the chances are he would would have just cuffed a couple of them at the side of the head with his pistol and then thrown them in the jailhouse. Masterson had no time for Doc Holiday as he viewed him as a drunk and a troublemaker.
Interestingly all four of the Star Trek actors appearing in westerns. In fact DeForest Kelley had made a number of western prior to appearing in Star Trek and has said that it was his best time as an actor.
Eye witnesses not being able to agree as to what happened has been a long known problem. There is also the Rashomon Effect which is about how the more times witnesses retell the story of what they say the saw the more they change what it is they saw. The Rashomon Effect comes from the film Rashomon which is the story is about the rape of a bride and the murder of her samurai husband and are recalled from the perspectives of a bandit, the bride, the samurai's ghost and a woodcutter. It was later remade by Hollywood as a western with William Shatner.
It might have been a different day with Masterson. We can only speculate.
Thanks for another fun and well presented video. Good to see Dan back too!
Thank You!
Thanks for the coroner's inquest! Have a great weekend.
You're welcome.
Thanks for including the coroner's report. Some of what you had said I had learned on various shows over the years. The only thing for sure is it wasn't at the coral. One thing I would like to see would be a reenactment using appropriate powder. I expect and others seem to agree that after the first couple of shots that it would be difficult for both sides to see each other. I would love to see a forensic reporting on that reenactment.
I plan to do an episode on black powder and its effects in a room and outside during a shootout.
Another great video, Santee and company... You NEVER disappoint. *I think you have the best correlating audios and videos of all the CZcams channels.🤠 Arguably, the most famous shootout in all Western history, and there are still some *questionable aspects... Now, to go back and read the coroner's report.👏🌵👏
Glad you like them!
I love watching CZcams videos about Tombstone. Mainly because I grew up there. Off and on, I lived there over 40 years. I graduated from Tombstone High School, and even went to school with both Susan Goldstein (her family owns The Longhorn Restaurant and Big Nose Kate’s Saloon) and Bill Hunley (he owns The Birdcage Theatre).
I could tell you stories that would curl your cowboy boots. LOL
Very cool! Thanks for sharing.
Another good one Santee! Enjoyed your stream with Richard the other night!
Thank you very much!
Great episode Santee! And you even brought out the famous Tombstone/Star Trek episode!! Looked as if they crashed the Bonanza sets on the Paramount lot. Thanks for the visit, have a Happy Thanksgiving! See you next week
LOL!
The street on which Edith Keeler gets run over in Star Trek’s “City on the Edge if Forever” was the same set as Mayberry. Kirk and Edith pass “Opie’s Steps”, Andy’s Courthouse, and Floyd’s Barbershop (with the name still on the window!) It was all DesiLu Studios.
What's really interesting is the affidavits they found a few years ago. For instance Mrs King was buying some Meat for dinner at Bauers Meat Market, when the Earps and Doc Holiday passed the store, she ran to the back.
LOL!
@@ArizonaGhostriders true story might have not been an affidavit, I think it might have been a witness statement
@@mistervacation23 Probably.
You guys are so much fun. Salute from down the road in Bisbee - where a lot of bad guys hid out from the law in Brewery Gulch.
Thank you much!
Great video again. I agree with you about reading the inquest for the story. The primary sources always tell it best
Thank You!
Great video Santee. I've have always been interested in the shooting at the OK corral. The link to the corners report was amazing thank you sir.
With all the grammatical errors, it's a tough read. I actually copied it and fixed them all so I wouldn't cringe.
@@ArizonaGhostriders I found it very interesting thinking about that was the period and grammar back then. 🤠
Another fantastic video as always. I always enjoy them and I am always learning. Hope to one day hit your way and do you up some good ol' Brunswick Stew.
I hope so too! I love me some o' dat!
As usual a great video. I read a short article, I forget who wrote it, but the arthur had taken Jophin back to Tombstone. After the rode he said you could not convince him that Mr Earp was an out right killer.
Well, they all were guilty of killing.
I really loved watching this video you did on the OK corral.
Thanks again Santee!!!!🤠🤠🤠
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is a good one! Nice info.
Glad you liked it.
Over the years I have seen so many versions of this event I often wondered what was the real story' Thank you for giving new insight into it in an awesome manner. Great video. Tried to read the Coroners report with difficulty due to the brown line down the center . Keep Safe ❤Keep Well ❤
I copy and pasted it to a blank document, then cleaned up the grammar. Try that.
@@ArizonaGhostriders I certainly will go back and check that out Thank you
Thank you so much Santee: That was really interesting. Will check out the link you posted. Thanks again. :)
My pleasure!
Perfect Saturday morning viewing!
Thank You!
Having spent many years investigating homicides, shootings robberies and such....you can get all kinds of stories from witnesses in the same room. Point of view, fear, bias etc...good job Johnny two names
Thanks, Columbo.
Thanks for the new video.
Be safe out there, and take it easy man.
Thank You!
Great information on the event…never know what happened.. great in-depth
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome as always bud! Well done 👍
Thanks again!
Another great episode! I really enjoyed my visit to Tombstone.
JT
Glad you enjoyed it
History is always slanted to the perspective of the writer. Nothing is ever really neat and wrapped with a pretty bow. Really good one folks 🤠👍 Keep them coming.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good Job Santee, That's the First Time I've Ever Heard About The Running Iron Starting the Trouble
We will never know what really started the trouble. The running iron was just one part of it. There was a stagecoach robbery/killing and the murder of Fred White to name a couple more incidents.
Very interesting and informative video, I really liked and enjoyed it.
I learned a lot about the OK corral from the old west.
I got a lot of inspiration for the old west/classic retro sci-fi/weird fiction story I’m writing.
Thank You! Glad it inspired you.
@@ArizonaGhostriders thanks and your welcome 🌟😎👍🏼
Hey Santee, your videos always give me something to think about or teach me something I didnt know. LOL. Super Cool my friend. 👍👍👍👍
Glad to hear it!
I am pretty firmly convinced; the writing of history is very similar to that kid's game of telephone.
Somewhat!
That was a great bit of history. You really smoked it. I got a bang out of it.
I aimed for greatness.
That was a really good video. I appreciate you gentlemen so much.
Thank you!
@@ArizonaGhostriders you buckaroos are top shelve for sure. I appreciate y'all for sure. My alias is handlebarslim.
@@handlebarslim78 Thank you, Handlebarslim!
I always love enjoy it when you "only the facts ma'am". As best you can concidering the facts we know. Fun to talk about anyway. Good one.
Thank You!
Nova , rana doc several years ago , on PBS ....which used information , including eye-witness accounts ......from the Tombstone town hall .......which shows / proves clearly that the shoot-out took place in a space between 2 buildings .....the back wall , of which , separated that space ....from the OK Corral ..The space was approx 16 feet wide , the shootout took less than 30 seconds .
Yeah, the other house is gone now (Harwood house) but it was, like I outlined in the diagram, a very tight spot.
I grew up with that Hugh O'Brien show and that theme. Hearing it again today, so campy! 😅
I know, right?
Glad you had the Star Trek episode, that's how I got my OK corral knowledge.
HA! Good.
Great job and well done.
I’m definitely going to be adding a old West shoot out to my old West/classic retro sci-fi/weird fiction story I’m writing.
I’ll be combining it with esoteric occult concepts to make it even more interesting.
🤠
@@ArizonaGhostriders thanks 🌟😎👍🏼
Sounds like you’re all over the place with it.
I can’t even count how many videos about the OK Corral I’ve watched.. but the second I see one.. I click
HAHA! It's a drug.
Awesome vid, Santee!
Just one bone to pick... Even if it is just opinion!
I'm not sure I'd describe the Clanton and McLaury family members as actually being members of the CCC. They appear to have been more along the lines of business associates. (I forget his first name, but one of the McLaury sons, not present during the fight, was a lawyer, who was part of the inquiry. Hmm. Talk about conflict of interest!) The Clantons and the McLaurys were ranchers, and used the "services" of the CCC to boost "revenue". Like not being part of the mob, but asking them for, um, help with the competition. Except, most of what went on was more about selling/buying stolen cattle, and less about breaking someone's legs.
With that stated, they were also known to have engaged in cattle rustling, personally, as well. So, they could also technically be considered members of the CCC. The CCC were loosely organized, and the "membership", at any given time, varied greatly. It's not like they issued ID cards, and collected monthly dues. Lol. Of course, if the Clantons and Mclaurys were "members", that would make Sheriff Beehan one as well, considering his own connections.
Oh, and one other thing... Right on. Wyatt had a pretty checkered past. However, he seems to always have been "righteous" when conducting himself in his actual boots-on-the-ground, lawman-about-town law enforcement duties. That's not to say he didn't profit from office, as many lawmen did. Even sheriffs often were paid with a percentage of county taxes collected. Plus, Wyatt did what he did, like running a gambling outfit (often strong arming others) in his off duty time. Yet, he seems fairly honorable in his actual dispensing of the law. That's why I generally come down on his side.
There is Doc Holliday, as well. He was never the outlaw that legends make him seem, but he was an outlaw, and not the nicest of individuals. However, he seems to calm down a bit, whenever he is around Wyatt. It's like Wyatt was good for him, and he, possibly, good for Wyatt. Though, that is just how I interpret what I've learned about the Georgia dentist, and the Peoria "bummer". If some analysis of historical information is correct, that they had a falling out over antisemitic comments by Doc (Josephine Marcus having been Jewish), than that is indeed a sucky ending of their friendship, and John Henry Holliday's life.
Yeah, that's why I said they were "loosely organized."
What I've grown to understand is that most people take one side or the other and defend it to the point of ridiculousness.
Those rustlers and their CCC cohorts would have eventually been shot or shooed out of AZ by other lawmen. It just happened to be the sketchy Earp family that did it. Ike was killed about 6 years later doing outlawy things...so, there ya go.
Great documentary. Always puzzled by people who make a point of saying 'But the gunfight wasn't in the OK Corral, it was at Fly's Photography studio.' Well I've been to Tombstone. You coulld spit from Fly's into the OK Corral (if you were inclined to do such a thing). The use of the name 'Gunfight at the OK Corral' is fully justified.
A lot of people don't know this, but about 20 years ago the current owners wanted to copyright the name so that anyone who used it payed them a royalty.
New friend here.
Congratulations for this perfect video.
Happy Sunday. Greetings. 🔔💕1521
Thank You! Welcome to the channel.
Excelente informe sobre el controvertido hecho. Agradecido desde ya Mr.Santee. 👍🔫
Thanks!
Very cool. I read Jeff Guinn's book, 'The Last Gunfight' which for me cleared up a lot about what we know and don't know!
Lotta info out there.
Great video! Very informative as usual
Thank you JJ.
Another awesome video 🙌🙌🙌
Thank You!
Thanx!! Your addition(which I find interesting perspective) adds to the collection of other perspectives of the famed gunfight @ OkyDoky Corral(just as real as O.K. CORRAL). I've believed only parts of them, because of several reasons. Gossip, Gossip and Gossip being top three. Observation and Actual Evidence being @ bottom. BEST(IMO) Re-enactment/ Examination being one hosted by Kenny Rogers, many years ago.(It may have been one of HISTORY CHANNEL's) I found it very PROBABLE scenario. I found yours very interesting/w/ new info/ perspective. It appears you put sweat-equity into it. TY.
Much appreciated. I feel it's always good to go off of the eyewitness testimony to get the closest feel for what happened. Sure, witnesses lie or mis-remember, but what else do we have to go on?
I think Tom Calvin’s “Tombstone” does a good job recounting the events. You may want to read his work “Dodge City” first. Though it doesn’t focus totally on the Earp’s and some parts are repeated in “Tombstone” it does background context to Wyatt and other players life before the move to Tombstone.
Thanks.
Awesome video!
Thank You!
The key to a good video is a properly placed goat scene. Well done.
Thanks.
love your videos! what movies have you and the rest of the ghostriders been in?
Thank you! We've been in a couple INSP movies and some that can be found on Amazon. "Legend of 5 Mile Cave" is one.
This shootout has so many different tellings and viewpoints it's never going to be settled. I would like to see one about Reilly and the shooting at the "Crossing" just for your take on it.
I'll look into it.
Yep...."A wealth of knowledge" appreciate you folks
Thank You!
You should do a video on Crown King, AZ and the old Bradshaw city area and it’s old cemetery.
One day. Thanks.
This was a good video about this shootout. It was good to have more info on it.
Do you think you'll cover Bill Hickok and Davis Tutt's duel in future?
I have! INSP did a documentary on it, and I reviewed it with some history added.
@@ArizonaGhostriders oh. Is there a link to that video?
Thanks for another video! :)
You're welcome.
The thing many people, and most of Hollyweird, get wrong about the shootout is that it was not a battle between good and bad. It was a battle between bad and worse. The Clantons were part of the Cochise County Cowboys. They were cattle thieves, killers, and all around bad hombres. The Earps were lawmen and wore badges. In his spare time, however, Wyatt Earp was believed to have a partnership interest in the Oriental Saloon and gambling (Faro). It was also rumored that he had some control over prostitution in the town. Wyatt had a reputation for pistol whipping anyone who stood up to him. The Earps used the law to protect their financial interests in town.
Yup! Kinda what I was saying. Neither party wore "white hats"
looking the next instalment (or show), but till Dirty Dan and you Sans have happy and safe Thanksgiving!
Same to you!
Another excellent video, Santee! I do have one issue is the use of the word "Cowboy", back in my ancestor day a "Cowboy" was a lad who had to "mother" a dogey, and for a man to do it was an embarrassing event and often called "Cowboy" as an insult. My ancestor was called a cowboy, taking care of an orphan calf and other calves for a while. Anyways, with "eyewitness" stories, often at the time, try to make themselves part of the event. I suppose what I would trust would be a newspaper wrote at the time. Anyways, excellent video Santee.
Well, we know in 1881 it was used to describe the Clantons & McLaury's (It's in the testimony).
Cowboy, at that time, had not yet made the switch to being used to describe cattle workers; i.e: ranch hands. (Some places it may have already begun to be used in that way???) From what I've researched, it was used as an insult for cattle rustlers, initially, though I have heard it used in the way you stated. (That may have been the origin, but history rarely ever records etymology (word, and usage, origins) perfectly!) Eventually, it progressed to being used for any sort of brigand. If you called someone a "cowboy", then you'd likely end up in a fight, at a minimum. (However, the switch to a positive connotation varied in time and place. For example: Call someone a "cowboy" in Tombstone, at one point, and it's an insult. Call them that in Saint Joe, MO, at the same time, and it wasn't an insult. (
Thanks for the great video.
You're welcome.
Santee. Hey pard how ya doin? Got snow here yesterday, the 11,11. Hey I was wondering, whats with the dotted lines on the side of Hffords Saloon, and a few businesses further down the street? Thanks, and take care yourself. Mild Bill
Snow, eh??
I can't read what is near the dotted lines to tell you. I imagine it was a property line...?
My favorite was "Tombstone". It wasn't necessarily historically accurate, but I loved the movie, anyway.
And yeah, it didn't happen at the corral, itself, but way I heard it, in an adjacent empty lot.
Correct, it was an unofficial exit behind in an empty lot.
Good morning santine. It's Ted from Texas. I definitely enjoyed your interpretation of the okay Corral. I would definitely enjoy you doing something on the Alamo but I don't know if you do other state. You stay safe my friend and see you in the next video.
Thank You!
I have the Time Life Old West Series from the 1970's, in one book there is a document by Virgil Earp talking about keeping certain Policemen on the force, why did he not call for them to help that day ? As a Brit I visited Tombstone and the area some years ago and for a big birthday Dodge City this year, the museum in Dodge is one of the very best museums I have visited anywhere.
I hope to check it out.
Love visiting Tombstone it's a great tourist area. What struck me was the period clothing and how abjectly HOT Tombstone was, like to wear ALL them clothes in that heat with no AC back then? My GOD
Yes. However, on that day it was pretty chilly. Some say there was a dusting of snow on the ground (unseasonable for AZ).
@@ArizonaGhostriders lol last time i went to AZ my wife and i went in the end of june in a black ford van no a/c and had to stay in the van at night we finally headed north and stayed at my aunt and uncles house in vegas first a/c we had gotten in a week watched fireworks on the 4th of July and headed back to washington state i probably lost 6 pounds on that trip ... fat guys like me should never leave the rainforest for Arizona in the summer 😆🤣😉👍
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well edited and researched🤠
Thank You!
I would like to see an episode about Mysterious Dave Mather, my relative!
Will do
@@ArizonaGhostriders Mysterious Dave Mather seems to be the most underrated gunfighter in the west and was connected to the most famous gun fighters in the west, and not included, or mentioned in western movies?
Hey Santee! Which movie did you like the best? Tombstone or Wyatt Earp?
Tombstone. However, Wyatt Earp followed the history closer.
Another very cool history lesson!
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@ArizonaGhostriders always do!
Love this channel. 👍
Glad to hear it!
I know one thing - the 1950s TV Series, "Wyatt Earp" had him all wrong! Especially seeing that the actor was clean shaven. Typical 1950's television, I guess.
Oh yeah. Back then if you had a mustache, your were either the banker, sidekick or a bad guy.
Always great to see Dan in an episode, but where's Scourgette ?
Getting bitten by a 3-year old girl.
"Narrow beds" I like that
Good
Here’s some paragraphs from my old West/classic retro sci-fi/weird fiction story story I’m working on writing:
Long long ago in the now forgetter by most, times now unknown during the ancient ProtoFrontier paleo-old west era of PreMyth during the cryptozoic eon there was the frontier settlement once known as Koiyukàn outpost within the frontier wilderness of Nèhànnu territory.
Near that from town were the Dutchman mines within the Eldon-Corral caverns
The frontier Koiyukàn outpost had constant raids and other issues with the outlaw-cult members known as ‘the order of Oculis.
The sheriff of Koiyukàn whose name was Mathaius ( pronounced as Math-Ai-yis) Hopeton was really busy for much of the days being on guard, watching out for the cult outlaws ‘ the order of Oculis at the towns entry lookout tower.
The infamous yet feared dreaded deadwood forest/Ordovhai shadow woods is near the Koiyukàn outpost.
Everyone in the town fears the place and they avoid it at all times.
It’s said that a lot of high strangeness goes on in those woods, there’s always a hazy grayish crimson ectoplasmic mist that hangs over the area at all times.
A eerie unsettling feeling permeates through out the entire forest, including around it as well.
That same forest is where the from mining outpost of CopperCoal Creek would be founded in the coming years by the Wickersham-MacCloud brothers on top of the Blackwood hills by CopperCoal Creek.
The Wickersham-MacCloud brothers currently live in Koiyukàn outpost, their father is deputy to sheriff Mathaius Hopeton.
Their fathers name is Mekailiel Hopewell.( pronounced as Me-kai-lee -el)
I hope you all really like these paragraphs from my old West/classic retro sci-fi/weird fiction story I’m writing.
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@@ArizonaGhostriders thanks🌟😎👍🏼