iFlight Xing2 is the $22 drone motor to beat in 2022
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This is an excerpt from the April 2022 new product roundup. I've gone on this rant enough times that I wanted to make a standalone video about it. There absolutely are SOME reasons to choose another motor, and there are other motors that are very, very good. But the Xing2 is so good at such a great price that you have to at least THINK about how other motors stack up before you put down your money. But a lot of other motors are objectively worse, and/or at a higher price than Xing2, and those motors should just be ignored.
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a stupidity that you say and in particular on xing which are the worst engines on the market and I have proof of this several pilots, the axes which break and turn in a vacuum on the v1 and bells which twist at the first shock on the v2, then I said a "stupidity" because the purchase of robust, quality and more expensive engines allows you to crash and continue to fly during the session because the material is more expensive but above all more robust over time and therefore it's equivalent to cheap and fragile motors change frequently 🤷♂️ I speak in particular for beginners who will be more quickly frustrated and jaded to constantly change bell motors etc, so I recommend the investment of robust motors which are after the propellers the second consumables on a drone...
@@OSSMOZZ what motors would you suggest also remember quality control putting out thousands of motors there are lemons 🍋..but i am curious i want a 10mm bearing single strand thic titanium shafts and curved n52 magnet 🧲 with good design…i love the zing2s for cost i destroy motors i fly pavement …if you say rc n power or TOA ….tell the best indestructible motor i’m all ears
@@NOIZYB the f60 from t motor will not disappoint you, but also the axis flying motors which have a good reputation in terms of quality
@@OSSMOZZ 😂😂😂😂
There lot of misunderstanding here.
Like a LOT
If you can discuss about it.
Im open 👌🏻
Gotta try them out before we make assumptions right? 😆
@@BalkenxFPV yes and more than that motor is not just magnet or winding..
There at least 6 different magnet that all react different.
Winding
Size of magnets inside the motor
The gap etc etc
@@BalkenxFPV at minimum talk with the hundreds of pilots using them because they just have the best feeling possible for dynamic freestyle, it is not just hazardous or for the pleasure to pay a few euros more that we chose theme 😘
Yeah you can always make a video about these motors and convince us why they are worth it.
Joshua I really think that you'll learn something the day you test these motors 🔥🔥
Honestly even though I see your point I have to disagree. The higher cost of the BB motor comes because BlackBird obviously needs to get some money on the sells (IFlight doesn’t have to do that) but it also comes from testing. The thing is that making a good freestyle 2125kv motor that is not a battery killer and that have a good throttle curve in the low is a pain (That without mentioning the testing to see if it made desyncs on different types of esc)
I talked with BlackBird for months and months while he was testing them, and it probably took more than 6/8 months to get the feeling that he wanted, and you can really tell that when you fly them. I know that because I like to test new motors first freestyling in my backyard, and if a motor doesn’t have a good curve it’s almost impossible to make good moves in such a tight space, and even with the 2125kv version I had no issues at all.
For the durability, I honestly never saw advantages of an unibell design even though I flew many of them. These are not bando motors, but motors made to be used 1 year flying between trees at full speed without changing them and with the bearings staying smooth. They also have some cool features like the bearings shield and the reinforcement on the motor wire base with soft glue.
Cannot agree more ❤️❤️
Please do enlighten me what can you possible change on a typical drone motor, where just about every modern model has the same stator design, has the same magnet, which is probably supplied from one or two factories at best for the entire market, uses the same winding wire, and most motors use the same 7075 alloy aluminium for bells, and most have the same size, same manufacturer bearings?
I've been told that some cheaper motors do use weaker magnets, but the high end ones I can bet use the exact same ones. The only thing you can play with is either stator volume, make a 2207.5 and just hide that from the specs so people will feel it has "better punch", or play with the air gap, but most motors have such a small gap alredy that it's hard to squeeze anything extra.
This is just plain marketing, the difference between same volume, same kv motors, but different brands is so small that almost nobody will tell a difference. And at the same time there are so many other factors impacting a quads performance, like prop specs, even esc settings etc.
@@kacimierz and that is exactly where the price difference is coming from! 😉 90% of the motors are manufactured in the same factory and they all use the same part, basically the only difference is kv and the look of the bell. Instead a motor like the BBv3 is completely custom in every piece, which obviously makes the price higher. Other than that finding the right combination of magnets/airgap/windings to get the exact feel needed is SOOO difficult, simply because there is 0 documentation on how to do so. For example a stronger magnet is not always better than a weaker one, same things for ultra small airgap vs bigger airgap. It’s all about a combination of all of these factors that takes months and months to be found with many different prototypes being made (without saying the testing to find the best esc settings for that motor, in a way that if someone buys them he already have a really good starting point).
Also, as I said before, the pilot have to get some money from the sells. So I think that a 3/4€ price difference is way more than justified :))
I love my xing2s so much every time I look at them I remember my worst crashes and everytime I was still able to fly my quad back to me and replace one. Also they have the looks 🥰
I feel you I'm so confused on these guys saying there butter
Motors seem to be great! Good review
It's good to have a standard to judge all others against. Like the d6 for chargers.
Love love love my Xing 2208 1700s and xing e 2207 1800s. Surprisingly great motors 👍
Bardwell lmao thanks for that I flew the axisflying 2004 and compared to other 2004 they are the best so far and was making me lean towards getting axisflying for my 5in rigs I think I'm going to try the xing2 and see how I like them
Good I’ve got a couple sets ready to build with.
I have three Apexes and I have the 2306 1755 Xing2 and I constantly have to replace them. They are super soft and even crashing into branches will bend them. With 12 in circulation at all times I bet I have to replace at least 2 after every session and I am not a bando basher mostly tree spots and office parks. I will be moving on soon but I need to find a good alternative.
I have xing ii 2306 2555kv motors for around 2 weeks and I already love them
Well yeah! Known this for a while. Only draw-back is they do seem to get hot during the summer.
Just saw this video Joshua! I really like how you share your experiences with a motor. I have a similar looking motor which is xing 2604 1650kv. Can I build a 7 inch quad with this type of motor? I'm thinking of using motor output limit so it performs like a 1300kv motor.
I have a Iflight Mach R5 with the Xing2 2506's and they freakin rip. Love these motors and have them on a freestyle build with Gep mark 3 frame
I have a set of xing2’s. Good motors but the bearings get sticky after even light crashes. Ive only had one get notchy enough to need replacement though. However, I have a set of racerstar fire edition 2207s on my other quad and they perform just as well and seem to be more durable if anything. Oh and they’re half the price
Unibell motors ftw!!!
The Pacer v1 and v2 are good budget motors too, but they've came out with a v3 which is quite a bit more expensive than what I paid for my v1 and 2s.
I've got a set of the Xing 2's for my next build, I refuse to buy more expensive motors these days.
Motors have definetly been the thing holding me back from flying more and finishing up builds, they're so many options and all pretty pricey. For a noob like me, breaking one is terrifying. I have a Cinelog 2.5 that constantly had motor problems, spent too much money on like 3 individual motors with shipping from china. Said Heck it, getting some nice 1404 4600kv XING motors. Those bad boys are butter and take some hard abuse. I've been buying XILO stealth motors for my 5 inch for sometime because they work as expected and are suuuuper cheap but I've gone through a set and a half already. Might pull the trigger on some nice XING boys for the 5 inch after my current set die
I have at least 3 five inch quads with racer star motors that have had no problems. I've had great success with those.
I've been flying Xing-E motors on my freestyle kwad. Even though they're lower quality they're super smooth and durable, not to mention cheaper. Don't think there's a better bang for the buck really, but I sure wouldn't mind trying out some Xing2's.
I switched to xing e motors a year ago and only broke one so far. Before I was breaking a motor every month
I fly the Xing2 2306 and 2506s absolutely amazing motored.
That's not to talk about the Xing E motors. 🤷♂️
Great rant, Joshua! And spot on, Blunty!
Stay safe there with your families! 🖖😊
yo i have had those pink xings for a while. prob gone through 15 of them in the last 2-3 years. things are super nice. I've even had to change the bearing on them they have lasted so long. Like i run them till they break and abuse them. 2306 1700kv
For a 5 inch fpv drone which xing 2 2306 should I get? 6c and what kv 1755 or 2450?
My Xing motors are AMAZING !!! Even on my little 3 inch tooth pick THEY are the overpowered ToothPick Rig. Feels like a 5" quad ! . Got Xings on my new 5" build.. I should finish that
I only fly xing(2) motors and i love them.
I am about to attempt building a drone, which motors would you recommend to use if I want to have 8 inch props
i have both the iflight black edition 2207 1755kv and regular 2207 1855kv and both are freaking amazing. personally i like the black edition’s performance a bit more
Would the xing2 1404 3000KV be suitable for 6S? I see 3-4S recommended everywhere on this kind of motors and never 6S
💯! Imo higher price motor is just gonna hurt my feelings more when I break it.
I HAVE THE 1950 XING AND I LOVE THEM
I liked my xing2s but the one issue I had repeatedly with the xing2s was a light crash would send the bell into the windings and scrape the top of the windings up. Its happened more often with the 2205 12x12 one but its also happened to 2 of my 2405s as well. They are great motors I just wish the bell spokes were a little further away from the windings
I beat the heck out of my Quad. Not once had an issue with the Xing2 motors.
I think they tough
Absolutely agree! They are super soft
@@FlyingSasquatch1 I beat these in concrete you guys must get bad batch
@@NOIZYB I have bought many replacements from Amazon and RDQ and it’s always the same. I fly Apex frames so maybe your frame provides better motor protection?
The motors on iFlight Chimera 4 and 5 with unibell construction?
Do you think the same about the xing2 1404?
I am with bluntly and wish manufacturers would provide more specs. I have a quad that goes in and out of saltwater and titanium shafts/ nsk bearings are a must (although nsk is only marginally better than nmb with saltwater durability) but so many motors don't tell you these 2 specs on their product pages. xing2 ftw😉
I do love my t-motor f-40s more than my 2207 2777kv xing 2 but i would like to try the 2306 2555kv for a better comparison
I think that the best motor are the iflight xing-e pro 2207 1800kv, they are cheap, they are efficient and very well done, in my opinion the best of the iflight series. Sometimes one of the issue of the iflight motors is the distance between the coil and the magnet. Well, on the 2207 you don't have this problem, I bet you to find motors specs as cheap as good as this that I mentioned, and by the way, I don't think that the xing2 are made better than that.
The Xing 2050kv Racing motor is the same excellent .. Xing motors are very efficient and run very cool ,, I believe the 2050kv is 51 amps max a beast and the xing 2 1855 is 39 amps max which is great for freestyle long battery life and lots of power and run super cool without the need for a massive esc 45 amp os perfect for the 1855 and a 55 amp 128k for the 2050kv all you need
Which type of motor could I use to lift a drone that is powered by let's say a DeWalt battery. ?
You would need to know the voltage of the battery, and then based on the expected weight of the drone, you would decide an optimal prop size, which would lead you to the optimal size and kv for the motor. There are too many variables here to give a simple answer.
Would love to hear your opinion on the new T-motor f-60 with "titanium steel shaft"
Titanium alone snaps add a lil steel in the mix you get the stiffness ov ti but not the snapping problem
@@williamgambill3922 I have never seen anyone snap a ti motor shaft...ever. is that really what t-motor is doing or are you speculating? I thought it was just poor use of english in a marketing hype vid.
I never have snapped 1 ether I suspected some people have broken the shaft therefore adding steel to the ti mix allows for more malubility of the shaft for a lil flex ti alone is stiff and strong but known to shear
I am not quite sure we need it maybe it's another way for companies to push more Motors
Possibly cheaper for them to produce
I have a set of Xing 2307’s and they have never let me down. They fly really nicely. What else is there to say? Their price to performance is unrivaled unless you buy a set of t-motor f80 pros on clearance for $10 each 🧐
Please tell me more?!
what is that band on your hand
Was the motor to beat in '21 as well wasn't it?
i just got the same xing2's from amazon for like $56 for 4
I just paid $17usd $26aud for these motors! Wicked price for the best on the market!!
I think you have been living under a rock for over a year because the xing2 motor was the one to beat in 2021😅
Cant wait for the xing3 motor!!
YES
updated thoughts on the FPVCycle 25mm?
When they were closer to 35 grams they were exceptional. Now that they're closer to 40 grams, they're still very good, but not as exceptional compared to the iFlight 2506.
I had xing-e non unibells and I have tmotor f40s. I had multiple xing-e cases where the bell would separate while I have never ever had such an issue with the tmotors even though I had beaten the crap out of them. Their quality is much better.
Yeah but we aren't talking about Xing-E we're talking about Xing2. Also, F40 is a $26 motor while Xing-E is a $15 motor so they're in completely different categories.
@@JoshuaBardwell I do not disagree. My comment was mostly to point out that there are different qualities of non unibellness and of course you pay for the better quality.
What do you think of the xing-e pros? I have them too on another quad. I haven’t bashed them properly yet but they seem pretty durable. Compared to xing2? They are much cheaper and unibell too.
Emax V2 are good motors.A T-motor on sale I’ll buy
🤔...✍...🤘In a month this will be critical for me potentially.
I certainly agree regarding the cost to benefit ratio, but I would say that the quality of the Axis BB V3 feels nicer than any other I’ve encountered during my 6 years in the hobby. Whether the durability proves sufficient with the split bell however, we will see.
I like how the BB v3 motors feel too. They are a really nice motor as far as performance. Not sure they're worth $27.50, but they are nice.
What is so nice about them that's not found in xing 2
@@qpmkro for sure you never try it...
No, poor me, just been flying tmotors pro and xing, i did not get to experience perfection. Sad that you cannot articulate what is better about them, just the vague idea they feel better. Totally subjective.
@@qpmkro For me the BB motors feel like I have more fine control of my quad than what I normally feel. I don't bobble like I did with my last motors. For me that is probably because I came from Velox v2 motors that are a little heavier and the BB motors I am using have 175 more KV. The lighter BB motors probably spin up and slow down faster and I have less weight at the ends of the arms. The only Xing motors I have are the original Xing 1404 motors. I have nothing to compare them to but they are fine motors and I've been using them on my 3 inch for over a year now and they still work just fine. I think feel is subjective but still important. I cannot see a delay from stick movements to video in the 60fps Caddx camera anymore than I can see a delay in the 120fps camera, but I can feel a difference in that I get disoriented when I get use to flying one of them and then switch to the other. I won't buy anymore BB motors because they cost too much but I will try the Xing 2207 motors.
Ok here's your chance. Which motor is better than Xing2 and why?
For 95% of the FPV community, i'm pretty sure no one can tell the difference, maybe some really seasoned and skilled pilots will, but for most of us, knowing the xing motors quality, there is no reason to buy a more expensive motor.. if You can find another unibell motor with curved sides for the same price then it's worth investigating :) imho
Zing 1s when you find them cheap
The motors are the spinny part right?
Amax performante are Amazingly smooth, fucking durable (guarantee), looks amazing, light(for how it is strong) and very powerful. I know I'm a amax team pilot so i dont paid 33$ for these motor but there are seriously amazing
The purple/gold JB 2407 of course!
Xing motors are great, but the emax eco 2 are also really good and half the price
I have eco II on a 7 & 5in kwads
They’re good, but KOREAREA TOA motors size 2208 are the absolute king of fpv. I have spent thousands of dollars and hours of test flying and my opinion TOA motors are supreme. Yes more money but the durability is wild and what power. Wow
I don't know if it's a joke but you should come in session with us and you'll see that the xing is like foam ... just like the pacer v2 soft like butter 🤷♂️
IDK why some people in the comments think I haven't flown and bashed the shit out of Xing motors. Like, I get it if you disagree or have a different experience but you also have to respect if I have a different experience than you. For me they have been some of the most durable motors I fly.
@@JoshuaBardwell it is true that I have to respect your choice 👍 but I think that you have the opportunity to try a lot of material and to be more objective..
Respectfully, you say, "I think you have the opportunity to try a lot of material and be more objective," but why aren't you saying, "obviously you have tried a lot of material, so maybe there is something to what you're saying". I have tried a lot of different motors. I have participated in designing and manufacturing motors, including my own signature motor. But when I say something you disagree with, you say, "why aren't you more objective?"
I respect your prerogative to disagree with me. At the same time, when I say something controversial, it's so intellectually weak for people to accuse me of being paid off, or of lacking perspective. Maybe I just disagree with you. Even worse: maybe I'm right.
@@JoshuaBardwell I think sometimes people miss "for me", or "in my opinion"... I usually say the same when people ask me about certain parts. Whether it's good or bad, it is MY experience. You can try it yourself, and you may have the same experience, or you may not. There are things you recommend that don't work for me, but there are other things that do...
I don't know man every xing motor I've ever had the bearings sounded like they'd been through a cement mixer before I even hooked them up to the ESC.
Man, that almost sounded personal... do you feel the same about hypetrain pilot motors?
100% I do. I canceled my own sponsored motor the JB2407 in part for this very reason. So if you think I'll give Rotor Riot a pass because they're my friends you don't know me.
@@JoshuaBardwell good to hear ( to read even) cause in this video it looked like you targeted a specific one while there are a few out there.
The reason this came up regarding BB motors is that they showed up in the "new products" listing of a store, which we review every month before we do the new product roundup.
I fly xing e pros 2450kv. Good enough bc I crash and break motors.
Is iflight owned by DJI ??
No. The iFlight company that is tied to DJI is a different company that took the same name as the iFlight company we know in FPV.
Hi JB
Test out some of the cheap $16 Flash Hobby Amazon special brushless motors. I tried to cook a 2207 2600kv on 6s and still didn't cook it 😎🤙
* running gemfan 4032 props
Use some 5 inch props and see how that goes
@@qpmkro even with the nazgul 5140's still running strong
I put 4 of these on my friends drone and they broke from a 10 ft vertical drop 😅
i am working on my drone progect but i dont have the money to pay for motors that is wye i need motors
UPDATE!:!: I think what I was feeling in the Axis Flying motor was the 175 extra KV & that's it. I think I just thought the expensive motors were better because I expected them to be. The Axis Flying motor bearings have lasted longer than the Velox V2 motors, but I don't believe they're worth 2 times the Velox V2 motors. I finally broke one of the Axis motors, but I won't spend nearly $30 for a replacement, so the 3 good motors are in a drawer now, waiting for a use.
I bought the Axis Flying Black Bird motors because I wanted to try a high end 5 inch motor. I can tell a difference in them from the Velox v2 motors and I really didn't think I would. The KV is 175 more on the BB motor though. The BB is also a lighter motor so there is a small difference in feel. I want to try the Xing motors too, but the $13 Velox v2 2207 motors are a really good motor at a really good price.
I bought an I flight Mach 5 recently and I’ve never flown a prebuilt quad so smooth. The ding 2 motors are incredible!
me too I bought the frame put the speedy bee v3 in awesome czcams.com/video/9uPYmCYkT6Y/video.html
Dont think i can buy more motors from iFlight, i had 15 of the Xing 2208 1700kv's on 3 quads for a year, defent motors, a year later I needed more, and the new version was Xing 2208 1800kv, now with Unibells, but they original was waay stronger. Never dropped a ring on the original, but the unibell version would break all the spokes when ever i barely tapped a tree branch. I've got 7 shafts in a pile where the spokes all broke, usually light crashes into wood. Never in the first 15 motors did i ever break a spoke, but half of the 2nd 15 brike this way. They claimed the same 7075 alum, but the 2nd version was absolutely weaker when they sold me that they're stronger. Burns me every time i hear JB say how much he loves the iFlight Xings 🤣 cuz i'll never buy em again...lol, just saw you relabel this section 😮🍆
The original xing definitely had a faulty batch or something with this issue I experienced it on a few motors myself but before then and after then they have been solid for me
@Alf FPV what i experienced was a drastic decline in durabilty from the original to the 2nd version...i'll never buy anything from iFlight again...motors the most decent thing they sell, their boards are straight trash
the bells ding way easier then the first xing I was running whats funny is all my xing 2 now have xing one bells on them
Too bad you never tried BB motors honnestly, specially V3 in 2125kv that are just incredible, and no it has nothing to do with any other 2207 available motors, first it is 2207.35 technically, and you just have to test them to understand the incredible work done by Damien to get a such responsive motor in low throttle, and so explosive top end at the same time, I tried many motors and could never find anything close to that feeling. And the reason for that is simple, months and months of testing of various prototypes done by Damien working with Axis team to get the perfect balance and feeling, and that has a price for sure and I am proud to pay for that hard work done because I am then sure I will get something absolutely corresponding to my expectings, something that iflight just has no idea what that means....
When sooo many pilots all over the world are getting credits for now nearly 4 years and 3 generations of BB motors, I just cannot understand why you are so resistant to them, when it actually represents a real and positive contribution and efforts in designing a perfect product made by a great FPV pilot, for FPV pilots, and not just a brand willing to make money at lower costs, I love your work JB, but I can't understand that position really...
Well said! 👏🏻
I have been using these motors for little over a year now. Their availabiltity during the pandemic was welcomed.
They fly nice when they work.
Only complaint I have is durability, they have none.
Yeah they are cheap, but the amount of money spent replacing them from minor hits just isn't worth it.
This is what i've been saying
@@Fly_High_FPV the two biggest problems, is the bell getting knocked and the magnets then rub the stator. And the motors also make a loud ticking noise if you take a crash that can bend a prop.
but tmotor velox veloce is even cheaper lol. also unibell also durable
@joshuabardwell can you make a video where you flight the Xing and Axis bbv3 on same build for see if they have difference. It s little bit easy to say it's the same things without prove it...
I said that, in my experience, there is usually not enough value in a $27 motor compared to something like the Xing, for me to recommend the $27 motor. So if I were then to do a test where I flew both of them and said I didn't feel any real difference, what would that prove?
The real test would be to take a pilot who thinks they can tell the difference and do a blind test where they try to verify it.
@@JoshuaBardwell so good idea : "The real test would be to take a pilot who thinks they can tell the difference and do a blind test where they try to verify it." i want to watch that !
out of stock in Australia buddy.
I picked up some zing-e pro for 16$ each 2207 2750kv
Fully agree, iFlight are my goto manufacturer for many components. Their motors, frames, electronics... even their bnf's are great quality and value (most of the time).
My nazgul despite being my cheapest and 'lowest quality' quad is by far the most reliable fpv aircraft I've ever had.
@@definingslawek4731 I definitely would not call the Nazgul low quality, its considered a great "beginner" quad but only because its reliable and extremely well designed/built ^^
EMAX ECO II FTW
lol same chit as every year since what? 2017? 2207/2306. Want a new motor? Change the color & text on the bell & it's the new new.
iphones be like
Xing-e pro for $16. def possible to make a cheap motor that has good qualities. the fact there are motors for $10 more and still don't use unibell is maddening
I've flown them in 2207 for over a year now. Fast and efficient. More power and longer flight times. They have channels in the magnets.
Gee, where have you been?
But keep your mouth shut about the price!
Hi Joshua, just a quick reminder , the Rush Training motors uses a special Teflon wire that's practically the most un-cuttable wire , making it very suitable for training, the wires can't be cut off by propellers
The wire or the jacket?
@@Fly_High_FPV to be more specific , the wire jacket
These motors are fragile like glass. Never replaced so many bells. Switched to axis flying 2207 1960 better thrust, strong bells.
My biggest complaint with XING motors... that's why I don't use them anymore. The lightest crash would warp the bells, and I've used 14xx, 15xx and 22xx, all the same
The unibell designe is not the holy grail for motors. It is just use weight to exchange some durability, so U can see most of the top end racing motor is still using steel ring+ Al Cap. If you are playing extreme just dont buy unibell motor.
I don't think it's fair to judge an engine (BB V3) that you've never flown yourself. this video has a stale aftertaste as if this would only go to sponsored products. So far I could only positive comments about the BB V3. i fly it too and the difference for me is enormous compared to everything i have flown so far.
You fly it and you must justify paying for it. Or did you not pay for it and are one of the "testers"
@@qpmkro Iike many many other pilots I use BB motors on all my regular freestyle quads since version 1 (nearly 4 years now) Do you really believe I would spend that money for nothing for 4 years now if they were not that value?? Aren't you close to the community? Don't you see the incredible amount of great pilots over the world using them? have you ever seen one bad review or comment about them? (except from people that never tested them like in this comment section).
@@qpmkro I don't make excuses for flying these. They are self paid and not sponsored and I'm not a tester either. The only thing that bothers me is that it talks about the motors (weak magnets and wouldn't buy them for $27) ever having flown without them.
You guys think to highly of yourselves. First guy only flies these motors for the last 4 years. Have you tried tmotor or rcinpower smoox ? Yeah, did you ? What was different and so bad about them, how were they worse than these axis ones ?
To say a motor is better because some guys fly it says nothing about the motor really. Some guys fly other motors and swear by them. How are they different ?
I see evan turner winning everything with his motors, are those the best cause the champ is running them ?
Whatever axis puts out is way more expensive than it should be. Because some pay to brag or to project or whatever the case may be. If you accept elrs tx at triple the price of others just bacause axis is making it, it's your choice. Is it the best ? I don't think so. But as long as you are happy, whatever
I wonder why the emax eco perform so well in all tests. I mean, why does it perform soo good and better than axis. Tests must be wrong. Only you pros know what a quad should feel like because you fly the best motors. We don't know perfection cause we didn't spend enough on motors, the cheap bastards we are
@@qpmkro I am not saying they are the best motors, as you said this is not only but also a personal aspect, I am just saying they are worth the value for the use they are designed for 😉
And yes I use a lot of other motors and brands aside and In years and on other type of quads and sizes, but for the use of 5" freestyle I like yes these motors are for me over others as they are specially designed by its creator for that and it not something you can assume for "generic" motors as they are not specifically created for a very specific use, that's all 😉
Today I saw a 60$ motor on Amazon 💀
People buy name brand anything for several reasons. One often overlooked reason is in our society, name and price equates to quality and bragging rights in the eyes of many. I have seen some get downright pissed when I compare my less expensive clone quads to their $1000 name brand I'm stupid take my money quads!
The new xing motors has slotted magnets thus reducing magnetic field why try so hard to get magnets close to the stator then slot the magnets would be the same as pulling magnets away from stator it was tried in rc cars years ago and it robs motor power more so than the slight cooling effects. Don't buy into the hype of slotted magnets they will not be around long because the performance loss is much more than the slight cooling effect
He wants the money!
Excerpt from product roundup but no product roundup???? Nooooooo
It's coming tomorrow :-)
JUST MY OPINION !
Multiple things.
AxisFlying is still a super small company, they don't earn that much money which also explain why the motors are 27 dollars. (which btw is the standard price for a high end motor, T-Motor, XNova, RCinPower, and even your friends at rotor riot all sell their motors for the exact same price man, and for years.
BlackBird v3 are not here just because they wanted to make a pilot motor, damien been working on them for years with T MOTOR actually and every time he was getting something better with prototype tests he released a new version. He did it with AxisFling this year because it's just better manufacturing.
Can we please talk about iflight manufacturing which isn't really consistant and precise, i had the Xing v1 back then, they were kinda nice but it looked like they all had magnets differences, fragile bearings, and just bad durability overall. (from my experience)
you don't talk about what can make bbv3 better Joshua, you just said that the flight was cheaper, so we all have to buy it... So then we will just buy some T MOTOR velox for 10 dollars and it will be fine ??i mean Cmon, do a proper comparaison before ! the feeling is different, not every 2207 feels the same ! Black bird motors also have BTS bearings btw, which basically works as a shield around the bearings so then the dust stay away from the bearings and you probably don't have to change them ever. You don't have such of things on iFlight.
Blackbird motors are made by one of the most talented pilot on earth, and he is actually the dude that works the hardest on his own branded products. And his motors the exact throttle curve, smoothness and power we need for today's freestyle ! Some people will not feel any difference but most of the people do, and if you ask me to pay 6dollars more per motors for something that supports a pilot, supports a growing brand, and has an insane manufacturing reputation i'm down ! ( and looks better LMAO haha ! the Xing V1 looked so much nicer)
I did not say iFlight was cheaper so buy it. If I wanted the cheapest motor, I'd buy FlashHobby, which are really poor quality motors. I said that iFlight has all the $27-motor features, at a $22 price point. Features like 7075 aluminum, titanium alloy hollow shaft, high quality Japanese bearings, unibell, notched magnets, shock absorbing bumper, and so forth. So when you look at a $27 motor that is lacking some of these features, I'm saying that you have to justify to yourself the decision to spend more on that motor. If you love the motor for some other reason, then you justify the decision and you buy it.
Look at the Hyertrain Vanover 2207 2021Kv with a unibell hell it's only 25.99
In my opinion you can‘t make decisions based on the look. I have flown them all and if you have ever flown a Blackbird v3 motor, you probably won‘t go back to other brands if you want to spend the extra few bucks on a top tier motor. Damien (aka Blackbird FPV) puts all his love into this hobby to bring out the BEST gear possible. He has done hard work to bring out those motors and you guys are killing his work a bit, by just saying „all in all its a motor with magnets and a winding…, so why would you spend the extra money on this“.
If my sources are right, the main difference in the Blackbird motor is that it uses weaker magnets so you get less top-end power and torque, but more smoothness. This is somewhat offset by the high kv, which makes up the RPM a little bit (but at the expense of higher peak amp draw compared to lower kv motors). In that respect, at least the motor's design is somewhat unique, and if it gives you characteristics that you want, then more power to you.
French quality 🇨🇵... 👌
@@JoshuaBardwell Use a part of the iflight's money to have a try of the bbv3... May be you could learn something today ;)
@@sveavoncubs3780 haha loved that one, and agree with you 😘😘
@@fab0423 actually Damien is not french, he is from Switzerland 😘
*crys in New Zealand*
Iflight has become a favorite. Seems they really want our business and provide a great value proposition. No I don’t work for them, just like getting good stuff for a great price. Thanks for reminding us not to pay for “PFM”.
Agreed. Although this status is something they will have to work for to maintain and is EXTREMELY easy for them to lose.
fpvcycle motors are overrated too!
the reason for xing 2 motor to be so cheap and amazing is slave(like) labor in china 😅.
All FPV motors are made in China.
@@JoshuaBardwell sorry for generalizing 😅. . I feel bad for all the underpaid people out there in china.
would be interesting to see how much would a fpv motor cost if it was made in the western countries.
xing2 are the best never buy others
God Steele motors are garbage. 4 out of 8 v4’s were unbalanced out of the box not mention other issues I had
Oh the wannabe stoner botgrinder. 🤣
I'm rich and I believe that it's time to stop the working class from flying fpv. I'm tired of mixing with the great unwashed. The manufacturers are doing a great job but prices need to at least double again to keep these plebians out.
Regards. T. Watt.