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- Laundromat water heater laundromats should have. Don't get a storage tank and boiler. The on new water heaters are the way to go. ideas for installing water on demand heaters in laundromats.
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I wear a Gopro chest camera for a lot of my footage. I shoot the rest with a Canon M50. Nothing fancy just good one on one contact with people, day in the life type content. I will also add advice of thing to do when owning a business. Mostly based off what I have learned doing it. - Auta a dopravní prostředky
My father replaced their circa 1953 Hot Water Service with only 2 new elements in 55 years with a heat pump hot water service - it lasted 4 years until he needed a replacement. Goes to show of quality of a product in the modern era. We only wash in cold water mainly here in Australia
Exactly. Those Chinese heat pump units are designed to fail. You will NEVER recover the cost of that crap. Stick with the 8$ 4500 watt electric elements and super insulate the tank. Pretty much the same for many flow through units.
Keenan ... we are sold on on-demand tankless hot water systems. We put a RINAI system in the house we built in 2006 at a cost of about $1500 and it has saved us many times over its initial cost and is still going strong today serving our 4BR 4.5 bath house of over 4200 sq. ft.
thanks for another video with great tips
Hi Keenan. Thanks for a great video! I'm currently putting together a new laundry facility and I'll be running 65 lb Unimac washer extractors. I've been trying to figure out how to supply enough hot water for my machines and your video has been more helpful than all of the people and websites that I have gone to so far. I've watched this video several times now and learned something each time. I can't thank you enough for that.
I have the same 65 lb washer machine. Which water heather do you use?
I have that Navien NPE water heater in my house. Really nice unit and hasn't given me any trouble in about 7 years.
Thanks brother. I purchased a vacant laundromat. In the process of the remodel currently. Ordered Alliance Laundry, went with Huebsch. I appreciate all the helpful tips. Thank you.
Huebsch is top of their line. I like the look of huebsch better than speed queen. Brighter and easier to use. Take pictures as you go along. Love to see the progress. Hope your bucket full every week!
Great tips
man very good info... Im going to use that pipe. thanks
A friend who owns a bar recommends purchasing metal, seatless prison toilets. He replaced more than a dozen toilets in the first year. He hasn't had to replace any of the metal ones.
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I would take the two tank to the other place ASAP get that old stuff out you save more money there .we like your set up .It funny we have one put in and they about skip not put the outtake of air pipe to the outside as we watch them and made them read the book information again on it again told them to do it right way . Lol
This was an awesome video. Curious how many of those Navien tankless do you need for one laundromat? What type of GPM is sufficient. Love the content!
Thx for sharing full of information and tips, cheers 👍
Thanks for the great info, do you have a link for the scale tron? I have a Navien tankless hot water heater as well (in our rental house), the installers did the same intake from the room air mistake. Ugh.
Keenan, A really valuable video. Thanks for posting. Just don't know how 2 or 3 on demands can keep up at 5-10 gpm with all your demand during peak time - without a storage tank. Does it? Are you finding that efficiency is affected by maintenance? The old boiler with storage vs. tankless.... If you took over a store with the traditional burner and storage tank v. installing tankless . . . do you save over time if you invest in tankless? Your video is exactly what I'm researching right now.
you should install lidless penitentiary style stainless toilets
Just some legal advice if those stick says 15 years make sure to check if thqt is only in residential use if it says for business use make sure to download the documents that say so and save them so that if they fail you can say to them 'you guaranteed 15 years' and they say its only so for residential use you have the document to prove that when you bought them they advertised it for residential and business.
And in the worst case you have a stronger case in court
I wouldn't bother with a hole in the wall. You will just get crap in it anyway from your dryer exhaust outside. Go to Menards and get a few furnace filters and build a box for the intake. Throw out that screen. I use a large John Deere excavator air filter for my Polaris water heaters and also my large air compressors. Those are easier to adapt to an intake. $30 to 60$ dealer or Cheaper on Ebay. Also note that the warmer the air intake the higher the efficiency. I once ran a water heater air intake THROUGH the exhaust pipe to pre heat the incoming air. Standard practice on huge boilers. Hell, you could strap your metal intake air tube to your dryers exhaust.
I have two of the same Navien NPE-240A s. I had the same issue when they were first installed they set the intake to take air from the room. I ended up having to pay the same install plumbers to fix it and put a pipe to the outside. It must be in the installation manual to have them take air from the rooms. I was constantly cleaning the intake filter after the fix I check it once a year and it’s barely even dirty.
90% stuff all has a outdoor flesh air intake. Alot of companies skip the step. Even the 90% furnaces have this same thing, needs to be vented outside. But hardly anyone does it.
Nope manuals say to run both pipes to the outside. So many plumbers dont read and make sure they are doing their job properly. Just like if you put those vents out the roof you cant just go straight up with both. They have to be offset so the intake doesn't pull in exhaust.
We have one in the house the gas company said we need to up the size of the gas meter? We have water filters went the water come in to tank and cold water to drink
Great water and heater system you showed us today
The water pipe thing is magnetic
I love your life Keenan. Wish there was a way to switch.. I love your new laundromat. Will you be changing it at and build it like a tank?
No gloves touching that nasty seat.......
Can I get that the link or where you got the “scalatron” pipe from? Thanks
First!
Hi Keenan been enjoying your channel and I heard you say something about new laundromat owners and not making money, I’m buying a run down laundromat with good demographics but I don’t want to buy all new machines and most are broken in here, should I get used machines? To me that sounds a little counterproductive
I would be putting in one of those stainless steel prison toilets.
I agree need to get the other 2 laundromats changed out.
Following Keenan ! By the way love your channel and videos keep up the good work.
You can get 2 inch water meters, they are a lot more expensive. The city crew seems to not like to use them.
Sorry to see that people damages your laundry carts. Hopefully the toilet seat in the public restroom will last for long time.
Surely you can reclaim the exhaust air heat from the driers to heat the hot water or at least preheat the incoming cold water off the waste water temperature
I'm sure you could but it would cost more then I can save to do it. Great idea!
I use to wonder if i could help heat the buildings with the dryer vents.
Where do you purchase the Scaletron from? Trying to search for it online with no results
How many washers are in the mat and what is the water flow? Thanks
Which tankless ones do you like more? The navien or rinnai?
How many washers in your tankless store?
I see water pipes like electrical cables. You woildnt have a 15 amp cable if you know 30 amps would be going through it and it's the same as water pipes. If several washers all start at the same time you need the pressure to be there on demand and having wider pipes just makes sense. Notice you have a bit of a tan there Keenan looking good. Are things getting back to normal were you are
Looting here has just started. Last weekend was rough. Hoping this weekend is better. Our Police aren't playing this week they have arrested alot of the looters. Scray to see all the boarded up buildings. Otherwise things are good.
How are things across the pond? Doing well?
@@FollowingKeenan We've had protests over the way police have dealt with George Floyd and we have the highest rates of deaths caused by covid. Our government is useless and certain parts of England will be going back on lockdown soon as rates of covid 19 are spreading fast again. I seen the trump speech on the news and the way he's talking it's like it's all back to normal in America now
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I took all my baskets out because they tore him up but before that when I bought a new I would take one wheel off of them that way they wouldn't want to take him out rolling down the street to their house they do I'm just like they do buggies from the grocery stores in like Walmart and they don't realize those buggies cost about $500 the ones for the laundry mats you know you've been in the business you know what they call yourself space stuff you get to hang on park for them to hang up clothes some people said I did wrong by taking them out they didn't like it but they do still wash their I do try to keep my place clean sometimes it's hard when they smear c*** on the walls in the bathroom And they write stuff all over the walls in the bathroom and the door so I keep a couple spray cans you know in a little bit of you know sandpiper to kind of sand it a little bit and I just paint over I usually start with black and then go with the white or Gray cause the black will cover up the riding but they do get in the carving on the walls and you know you're in business and that's one of the things that comes with it space would a laundromat my family's been in the laundromat business About 50 years now Keep the videos up though I do like those don't with that news is that I don't know that I understand when you said you take off the sleeve off a drum that you take it off with heat and then pull it off I couldn't mind off like the factory does and then I heated up put some ice around on top and then I drop it down on there and have my flat welding helmet kind of make sure of my body hammer you know my body works Hammer and tap it down and make sure it's on there But you know like on the new hills if you have to put in a bird you need to do that pulls the d*** cause it's almost like a torque fit othat's alright pool feed I don't know what I'm trying to say here but I think you do if you've ever changed any on something other than that is you know in the last 4 years
The set of four Tankless Water Heaters.
Would putting the date or "replace in 2035" on the pipe when you need to replace it approximately... would that help?
You're 100% right I need to mark it.
I don't know if you've ever had one but we have had 2 laundromat over the last 50 years to where they got talked in to put in a unit and then the water runs all the way through and goes through the dryers because they said that would keep the water heated in things and it was a pain i* t** a** when you had to work on the d*** drivers in the top
Is the scaleatron on the hot water return line right? cleaning the already heat treated water?
Cold water coming into laundromat. Before hot water heater and cold split off to rest of building.
Thankless are only good in warm climates.
5:18 -- How many washing machines do you have in the location that, you have the 4 Rennai (brand) tank machines, in?
17. It setup for 24 to 28 washers. I planned on expanding it later. Really for 24 washers i only need 2 rinnai heaters. I actually moved 2 of them to another laundromat.
So how much to convert from boiler to tankless?
Hi Kennan, I have got laundrette in Oxford, uk, I’ve got 7 washing machine and I am in process to change my water heating system. I have been recommended rinnai n1600i. Do you think one of this would do the job or I need two. Thanks.
I have two in my stores. One i dont think would give you enough flow at peak times.
Thanks for quick reply, I will go for two. I hope i am doing the right choice by going from tank to tankless. Thanks
Hey Keenan, I'm opening a laundromat, that has a boiler set up and the tank and heater are leaking so I was thinking of going with a tank less set up. What would you suggest? I have 35 washers.
I have both Navien and Rinnai on demand. Rinnai is a really nice water heater. Both I have no issues with. With proper maintenance. With either I would also add the Scaletron Pipe. Last 15 years and keeps the minerals in water from effecting water heater elements.
Great content! Learning a lot about Laundromat, Buying two 20kg washer, do i need 2 hot water or 1 will do? From Philippines
With just two washers one unit should be more than enough. One on demand procduces 200,000btu.
Laundromats have 2 units for like 30 washers. To give you an idea of vol.
Hope that helps!
I am a builder and do a lot of water heaters and radiant heat. Be very careful with the flow through because your water quality is key to a trouble free working and efficient unit. Any level of hardness usually gets precipitated out on the inside of the heat exchanger and the efficiency drops to less than 50%. Dealers dont tell you that. Then you need to do a vinegar or acid flush often. Its in the book, but way in the back. For the money get a POLARIS. They have a full stainless USA build and are so efficient that they are essentially flow throughs but WITHOUT point heating - the circular submerged heat exchanger is 500x the size of a flow through. www.google.com/search?q=polaris+water+heater&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS757US757&sxsrf=ALeKk03aY01fg2kLKEDIaTKkYzcDlDrWCw:1591692628458&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=VJbR5HVpOjrLIM%253A%252Cmqmc-S5sbs9H8M%252C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kQT2zjONg9N9zcQq-N9j8k6G5ymMw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwifuNeNrfTpAhWXqZ4KHZdvAh4Q_h0wAXoECGIQBA&biw=1680&bih=939#imgrc=VJbR5HVpOjrLIM:
Keenan, every time I see these carts damaged it gives me a tear. I'm very fond of these carts, don't know why. :_(
Me too!
@@FollowingKeenan I'm in the process of getting my 1st laundromat. How long did it take your laundromats to become profitable? We negotiated the 1st 3 months free rent to build up a customer base in hopes that'll give us enough time to become profitable.
Keenan would you still recommend the descaler for a boiler/tank system?
Yea, any hot water setup would benefit from it.
I am putting 2 60lb 3 40 lb, and 2 20lb speed queens do you think i can get away with one or do i need two on demand rinnai? That is the most space i have i can't grow past that. Hope you answer me because the salesman wants 2 $6500 HTP tank ones and its way overpriced
One on demand would be ok. I have 24 washers in one mat running off one on-demand.
@@FollowingKeenan thank you so much for the reply you just saved me like 10k.
Scaletron -- website is unavailable -- where can I buy one for residential use?
I'll get a link added today.
great video how cold does it get there in the winter
20 or 30 degrees F below, Midwest US. How about where you're at?
You are correct when you hear that money going chain chain chain like when you hear the beat beat beat at Walmart you know that you're making money or you should be during the quarter crisis here where we're at South Carolina I had people though come in in and you know change in 5 twenties and then I had my machine cut off you know for that 25 minute wait. Cause businesses was coming and getting my quarters Save up your quarters calls it's probably coming around again until we get the democrats out
Hello Keenan, after watching a lot of videos. I bought a small laundromat. I have the old original furnace tank system, and I like your new tankless setup. I live in California. I’ve talked to a couple plumbers and try to explain your system. But they don’t understand. I have 27 washers (9) top loaders, (6) 30lbs, (6) 40lbs, (4) 60lbs and (2) 65lbs. Can you please help me or anyone following you.
Thank you
Should be able to handle that with 2 on demands in tandem. If you wanted instant hot water you could add a loop line a d circulation pump.
I have both rinnai and navien on demand 199,000 btu. Both great heaters. Add a corrosion pipe before on demands for hard water.
Have to remember your only getting water to around 130 at max. Hope that helps.
Keenan I Don't Why The Carts Get Damage Its Makes Me I Hope You Get Them Fix.
I don't remember hearing it in the video but where does the fresh air come from, the back room?
Large wall Vent in wall to outside.
Okay, here's my laundromat NOOB question. If I have a small laundromat, say maybe 4 to 6 washing machines in the 30 to 50 pound range, could I take 2-3 standard residential 40 to 50 gallon water heaters and just manifold them together to share the demand for hot water? Almost as good and a whole lot cheaper!
Nope, water heaters could never keep up. For the 1st use maybe but you would not have enough recovery time to heat the water again. Boilers and on demand water heaters work way different than a tank water heater. Plus 3 tank waters heater cost as much if not more than 1 199,000 btu on demand unit.
@@FollowingKeenan Thanks, I did a quick search at Lowe's, and I see what you mean. Most gas 40-50 gallon water heaters have a rating in the 32,000 to 40,000 BTU range, far less than the 199K BTU units you spoke of.
So much for that idea. I've been researching putting together a small local laundromat for about a week now, and it's been interesting to learn the technical details, I enjoy that sort of thing. So far it looks like there's no good cheap way to do it.
Great systems! Where can I get that blue pipe?
I got it off amazon. 1.5" pex. Need some speical connections to hook it up to copper. Fitting called 1.5" water service coupler. Company that makes them is Legend Valve. Can get on amazon or ebay.
Sorry I mean the ionizing pipe the one you have to change in 15 years.
We do 2" on all our laundromats there's no way a 3/4 if you got 20 machines that it will do it if you got like on the weekends you know we got so many people coming early on Saturday morning a 3/4 water line or 1" would not do it
hi, im opening a laundromat, expecting 5 pcs 15kg washing machine. and also expecting to set each load with 120litres water usage. how big /litres of my water tank i need?
I would use on demand water heaters no tanks.
Most mid size laundromats here use a 200gal tank with boiler and circulation pump.
@@FollowingKeenan hi thanks. Most of the washing machine and dryer have heater installed. So im looking for water tank to store water just incase the water flow is too slow from the outside.
#3 laundromat looks expensive sir. What should a beginner be looking for here?
Navien is a good start it cost around $1600 unit. 2 units would be good no tank.
Check Lowe’s pro-desk. I got a great deal on Rinnai 9.8 commercial.
How many washers do you have in the laundromat with the tankless heaters? Trying to decide how many on demand water heaters I will need for mine?
24 for 2 on demands that are 199,000 btu works fine for me.
@@FollowingKeenan thank you.
did having a tankless save you on your water bill ?
Yes it saves on gas, alot. Why heat water at night if your closed and noone there. Or heat when your slow.
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Thanks Keenan
I'm jotting down everything from washers to dryers to change machines.
Where did u get the flexible metal for your walls. Thanks again for all your help. Videos are awesome and helpful.
Please wear gloves
Well he might not make money he might just be getting out under where he bought it if he hadn't had it alone we've done that in the past and what we did was is we swap some machines around from older laundry Took the newer units some of them out of that laundry and moved them to one of our other laundries and let it do the business that it would do because if you don't watch out you'll get cold and you won't even be able to make the d*** utility bill
The moral of the story is let plumbers PLUMB and not think too much. They are not engineers by a long shot. That meter looks very much like a 1" to me, not 1.5" You should get about 60 GPM on 1" and 200 gpm on 2". Depends on your rush hour traffic.