After a LOT of requests ya man has finally got around to Baktria! The super power of the East and boogie monster of Parthia's dreams. What do you all think of my difficulty rating? Also don't forget to post your suggestions down below! And check out the official Immersaholic discord linked in the description :)
Baktria is one the first hellenic faction I played in Rome 2, cool colour scheme and interesting starting area all the way in Afghanistan. This One, Egypt, Sparta, and Seleucids are my favorite of the Hellenics. Baktria gave me trouble in normal Rome 2 as Rome I didn't even know they existed till I found them and was instantly interested in them, knew Alexander got to India and went through Afghanistan but didn't know the Greeks actually settled in Afghanistan. They get to fight some cool factions early on too. Plus it's pretty fun starting in the East since I don't like playing most of the Eastern factions.
My favourite faction, along with egypt. It's amazing to have access to both the best of the Greek and Eastern world. Greek elites for the backbone of the army, and Eastern plugs to add flexibility
@@Immersaholic The first thing that drew me was the history. I'll admit I'd never heard of a Baktria before. I did some digging and I was very pleasantly surprised to learn about the many traces it left behind, such as Greco-Buddhism. Then I took a look at rhe units and I was sold. I really like the blend of Greek and Eastern factions. When I can play the game again I intend to try other similar factions, like Colchis for example.
Thanks very much mate, a lot of people have been keen on Rome. Although a while ago myself and viewers decided to save Rome to be our final overview as a grand finale.
I fell in love with Baktria when I played EB, but the difficulty level (at least for me) was just too much. So since then I've avoided it. But after seeing this video I started a campaign with Baktria and am having a great time! Many thanks for the video!
@@Immersaholic The campaign map in EBI didn't end where it ends in RTWII, it went on into the Indus Valley, with very tough Indian factions. Then you had the Saka Rauka howling down from the north, and then you had what was called "the Grey Death", stack after stack of vengeful Seleukids coming straight at you. Baktria was not an easy faction to play, which annoyed me because I really like the region and the history there. So I was really glad to find your video and see that Baktria can be a going concern. Just one thing: you need farms. If you over emphasize trade and industry in the first few moves, food gets to be a major issue while you wait for the satrap rebellion (and after).
@@sirtim100 Thats awesome I didn't know about the map for it. It sounds like it'd be a rough campaign. In DEI I still think its pretty easy though and only made difficult if the Seleucids declare on you early and you really mismanage the campaign, for example like you said not getting enough food.
In my baktria campaign, Selukids satraps never rebelled its like turn 140~ and they have eaten all the middle east besides the indian and baktria area, so instead of attacking them I decided to just non agression and trade with them and all their satraps while I crusaded in the north, killing all those horse archer armies was pretty torturous to be honest.
Thanks for another informative and entertaining overview. To continue a (spottily-executed) tradition, the magnitudes of the faction traits are: +5% income from industry and commerce, -25 diplomatic relations with anyone of Nomadic culture, +4 Hellenic culture in owned territory. If I can make one suggestion, I know you said in some earlier videos that incorporating reform tier into the unit overviews is essentially too complicated, but with the new unit database on the DeI website, perhaps you could revisit this idea, as it impacts the usefulness of some of these units greatly. For example, you say that the Mauryan longbows are a great counter to horse archers, and that is true, but the fact that you have to wait until Thorax reforms to get them means you will almost certainly have many, many battles against horse-archer heavy factions before this comes into play at all (and, on normal difficulty, may well have eliminated them by the time you finally get them!) (Similarly with the Cretans -- if you're someone located near Crete, you basically get them from the start of the game. Not Bactria! Gotta wait for that Thorax reform...)
Thanks for the extra info tagtip! Now that the database is available I was debating how I can incorporate them into these videos. The problem is these rosters for factions like Baktria are so massive its hard not to add extra info without these vids becoming so long (even for this overview I only barely talked about a few of the lesser units and it was still over a hour long). Right now I'm debating on just doing an entirely seperate series where we focus just on reforms and what each reform means for the faction of that video. It'll probably be a solid 20 minute video especially for the larger factions. What do you think of that?
Great news this morning: Finally the long hoped Bactria review is out! Like always a huge pleasure to see your content. Many thanks! Now my day is saved.👍😀
@@Immersaholic yes. And I can agree with like 90% of your analyze. But at least I did struggle and found the campaign quite challenging. But I am a very average player at best. At the start, I already got 2 problems: food and public order. I have nice trade goods but almost no trade partners and due to missing resources some buildings are not available. Then one neighbor declares war on me rather early and once I solved this problem Mayrian Empire had already captured the South. In my campaign it took me until round 80 to be able to capture most of the East and knock them out. At that point I had to face a strong Seleucid Empire and Armenia. Both got very strong cavalry and the Seleucids even amoured elephants and better pikes. I am not sure if I will be able to kick them out and how long it will take me.
@@andresalphie5400 Sounds like you got a bit unlucky with your neighbors like the Seleucids doing well since they often don't. Usually I'd recommend you lower your taxes combined with having a general or faction leader sitting in your major cities working on public order traits. Plus don't build up your cities before you can handle the food/squalor issues. If you have the money its tempting to rush and build everything all the way up but food can catch you off guard.
Surprisingly enough I'm not that keen on playing as them but if you are I'd suggest trying out all the different AOR units since they have a lot of variety nearby :)
Hey man if you've made it that far in a campaign your probably doing great :D Although most of their units are so good its hard to mess up. How is your campaign going mate?
@@Immersaholic Doing good. 34 regions, 10 provinces. Control everything between Baktria in the East to Nabata in the West. Have long held positive relations with Rauxsa-alanna (conquered their rivals in Xvarazm) who control Scythia so no worries about nomadic raids. 6 full stacks (4 mixed armies, 1 city assault focused, 1 major cavalry focused), 1 fleet and 1 high level governor general. Stable economy which I'm trying to improve now as I forgot about Baktria's increased commerce and industrial income trait (facepalmed when you mentioned it in the intro section). No wars right now except for Pirates (actually offered me peace lol) who control Antiocheia but looking to deliver a swift assault against the Seleukidai to secure Mesopotamia, Palmyra and Syria. Ptolemaioi was my next target but Rome has just arrived in the East, so I'll have to think over my next steps. No doubt the Heirs of Alexander and the Wolves of Mars will come head to head, good luck to everyone caught in between.
@@mongrelfox4569 Wow sounds like a awesome campaign mate! The industrialization of your provinces and extra commerce buildings should help blow up your economy for sure. I hope this overview was helpful, good luck taking on Rome! Pikes will be devastating against their infantry too!
After watching this, I'm very pleased that in my Maurayn campaign, I defeated Baktria fairly quickly before it had time to finish me off. But I paid the price :D I had to ally myself with the Parthians and now they block my entire expansion on east and north. Does great Immersaholic community have any ideas how to counter almost all cavalry (and most archer) Parthian armies with Maurayn units? :D I tried to use old advice "dont fight Parthia on open field" but that mechanic "enemy sally out from the city to fight you" drives me crazy :P
Sounds like you have a awesome campaign! One of my tips would be to try and force sieges but your right the ai will often sally out if its a small town (although for the larger capitals of regions they should stay inside). Umm but anyway Baktria should have Scythian horse archers in their core region as AOR units so if you have access to them try to use them. In addition, some low tier siege equipment could help pretty massively. Scorpions in particular can decimate cavalry quickly. Ballista are okay but pretty inaccurate. Also don't be afraid to use low cheap units to soak up the horse archer fire away from your core units so they ended up having to charge into your spears, which the ai will do eventually. I hope this helped!
@@Immersaholic Thanks a lot, I'll try :) I totally forgot that I have access to scyhians. It seems like I need to get on with developing siege technology. Thanks for the tip about using cheap units, I usually try first to build a massive economy capable of supporting armies conisting of almost only elite troops.... but then it hurts terribly when those troops are ripped apart by Parthian arrows :D
@@publiuspertinax189 Yeah its tempting to have Elite heavy armies BUT the population mechanic in DEI punishes that heavily if you aren't careful. IRL armies had a mixture of elite/low tier men for good reasons that can be reflected in the game.
Great video as always! It’s a bit sad that their hoplite roster is miniscule compared to the other greek faction. But hey, they got one of the best elephants and I won’t complain. Then again I use just use the bactrian infantry to fill the army since not only they have 300 man but good armour and take from the 3rd class... Maybe you should also explain what class you recruit them too?
Yeah its kinda strange but its also fair enough I think because they have such a powerful roster in general anyway. The few pikes/hoplites they have are pretty great too. I would go through the pop classes but I'm focusing on trying to shorten these videos and I'm already doing terrible as it is :D lol. I usually talk about the pop when its super important like say for Sparta.
How is your campaign going mate? I'd love to do them BUT they are actually being overhauled in the new update that should be out in a couple months. Hence I'm waiting for that to do them :)
Fair enough :D I can see how that'd make it more difficult. Why do you play on legendary if I may ask? My experience on there is facing literally every nation because they all declare war and then the battles area annoying because the stats aren't balanced.
@@Immersaholic because otherwise I find it too easy to win. I also modded the Major factions a bit so the will get very strong in the late Game. At least in Vanilla. This is my First DEI campaign but I watched others to learn like you rn. Your Video will help me !
Rome has a good Marian Skrimisher with 28 armor base and spear and shield a good tough skirmisher that with support takes on cav pretty damn well as long as they don't get charged. Otherwise spearmen archers usually feel disappointing since they usually don't have good morale anyway being archers/skrimishers.
Am I the only one who doesn't like Cretan archers much? I find the range being lower is just a huge downside and allows you to take a lot more free damage. The DPS from them is great but longbow men are much better in my mind.
I think their damage is just so devastating people love them, I swear I can recall something about how their arrows are special too beyond just the extra AP damage stat we can see. But I can't recall specifically. Stat-wise they don't seem too impressive but its something about them that just gets so many kills.
Their archer roster is quite OP. I guess that along with horse archers that can be used as devastating shock units after they run out of ammo makes up for their lacking pike and hoplite roster.
Yeah I think its a bit too powerful tbh. While they don't have a lot of variety for pikes/hoplites the units that they do have in that category are still really solid. I'd rather see the faction have to rely on getting units like this through a special merc pool or aor.
Just found out that Baktria infantry lose _badly_ to even garrison Greek hoplites, even in shield wall. Granted that was on very hard, but I doubt it would have been much better on normal.
So for this faction, is it considered wise to just build tall in your territories for the first several turns? Build up your culture, economy, public order, make your army and dont conquer anything? But as soon as the satrapies rebel, THEN you start expanding?
That's if you want a really easy campaign then yes. Although you can kill Parthia while your building tall as they aren't a satrapy nor are they allied to anyone on turn 1. So rush Parthia, then hold and wait for the rebellions :)
Haha waiting for Rome but for now I am playing as Seleucid and I am only winning with them because I have better cavalry xd. I don’t know how but AI is disgusting as Rome. Legionaries have 16 mele attack and 20 mele defense so even my silver shields swordsmen work as meat to hold the line only xd. And I really admire you playing on legendary difficulty.
The Legionnaires are probably getting buffed from having multiple levels of XP ranks plus resource building chains helping (e.g. from iron) and then generals get experienced very quickly which can increase stats of the units.
@@vladboch No worries mate! I love DEI and any other historical games/mods that provide great immersion so it won't always be just DEI but I'm definitely focused on it at the moment. I'm also thinking of checking out Attila's 1212ad mod soon!
@@Immersaholic haven't tried it yet, but I might as well do it someday. It's really good and immersive for medieval era fans, I just find myself more keen to antiquity.
As Baktria you'd probably have a few different armies. One Greek-style where you have lots of pikemen and cav combined. Another more Indian style army where you use the AoR units to give you a fast moving frontline of swordsmen/axemen combined with their super long range archers. And you can do a all cav army if you like, just use the Sogdian horse archers and others you get access to early on in the North. The main thing about Baktria is you get variety that lets you fight anyone else on the map quite easily. You just have to know what you want.
I'd argue before Parthia to be honest. Although in a 1 v 1 with core roster units ONLY (no aor/mercs) then Parthia should win if its an all cav army. Otherwise I'd say Baktria is easily more powerful.
@@Immersaholic yeah I ended up going Egypt and things are going smoothly. Still need to work on learning how to properly use archers because I keep fucking up and getting them slaughtered lmao
@@hereforthecommentsection_11 Oh nice! Just watch out for that cultural issue they get with the Egyptian culture coming up against your Hellenic one. Yeah archers in DeI actually really aren't too great except for like in sieges. I prefer archers because I just like them but you'll find it hard to get good kills with them.
I love it and HIGHLY recommend it! I just didn't use it in my current Parthian campaign because I wanted to try a vanilla- DEI experience. I usually heavily mod my playthroughs. Our next major campaign will use it and many other mods.
Hahah that's understandable :) DeI lowers the stats of all units across the board in order to extend combat and allow for more immersive battles and tactics to occur. You'll get the hang of it mate, good luck in DeI!
Really why is that? To be honest I'm just grateful we have Indian representation at all in DEI but I have heard of a couple other people who weren't happy with the roster. But I'm not familiar with what Indian units historically were at the time period so I'm pretty easy to please on the topic.
@@Immersaholic I too am very grateful that they were able to do it better than CA but what I am saying is that the roster is truly a bit lacking when compared to actual historical armies. Despite that other factions have access to some of the strongest units from their roster makes the Mauryan a bit of a handicapped faction. Btw Great videos. You dont know how much i had struggled before stumbling on these.
@@samarthmisra6064 Fair enough mate :) If you can I'd suggest you leave feedback on the DEI discord, their very receptive to feedback. I'm glad the vids could help you out mate, thanks!
After a LOT of requests ya man has finally got around to Baktria! The super power of the East and boogie monster of Parthia's dreams. What do you all think of my difficulty rating?
Also don't forget to post your suggestions down below! And check out the official Immersaholic discord linked in the description :)
fun fact: Make sure you build some farms at the start else bactria will starve. trust
Nice tip mate! Very helpful I'm sure.
Baktria is one the first hellenic faction I played in Rome 2, cool colour scheme and interesting starting area all the way in Afghanistan. This One, Egypt, Sparta, and Seleucids are my favorite of the Hellenics.
Baktria gave me trouble in normal Rome 2 as Rome I didn't even know they existed till I found them and was instantly interested in them, knew Alexander got to India and went through Afghanistan but didn't know the Greeks actually settled in Afghanistan. They get to fight some cool factions early on too. Plus it's pretty fun starting in the East since I don't like playing most of the Eastern factions.
Just imagine the map would go as far as the indus river valley… would add so much to the campaign 😇
Just another province or two added would be game changing :( If only....
I'd love to see a Medewi overview sometime, they seem pretty unique!
Sounds like a plan fam, thanks for the request!
tar Immersaholic great video mate
Thanks mate!
My favourite faction, along with egypt.
It's amazing to have access to both the best of the Greek and Eastern world.
Greek elites for the backbone of the army, and Eastern plugs to add flexibility
That's cool man! What draws your interest to Baktria? The units like you said or is it the history of the region?
@@Immersaholic The first thing that drew me was the history. I'll admit I'd never heard of a Baktria before. I did some digging and I was very pleasantly surprised to learn about the many traces it left behind, such as Greco-Buddhism.
Then I took a look at rhe units and I was sold.
I really like the blend of Greek and Eastern factions. When I can play the game again I intend to try other similar factions, like Colchis for example.
You know what immersa? I think that with all the factions you’ve covered so well so far, it’d be fitting to see your take on Rome.
Gj as always.
Thanks very much mate, a lot of people have been keen on Rome. Although a while ago myself and viewers decided to save Rome to be our final overview as a grand finale.
I fell in love with Baktria when I played EB, but the difficulty level (at least for me) was just too much. So since then I've avoided it. But after seeing this video I started a campaign with Baktria and am having a great time! Many thanks for the video!
Oh wow why were they so difficult in EB?
I'm glad I could help out anyway! :)
@@Immersaholic The campaign map in EBI didn't end where it ends in RTWII, it went on into the Indus Valley, with very tough Indian factions. Then you had the Saka Rauka howling down from the north, and then you had what was called "the Grey Death", stack after stack of vengeful Seleukids coming straight at you. Baktria was not an easy faction to play, which annoyed me because I really like the region and the history there. So I was really glad to find your video and see that Baktria can be a going concern. Just one thing: you need farms. If you over emphasize trade and industry in the first few moves, food gets to be a major issue while you wait for the satrap rebellion (and after).
@@sirtim100 Thats awesome I didn't know about the map for it. It sounds like it'd be a rough campaign. In DEI I still think its pretty easy though and only made difficult if the Seleucids declare on you early and you really mismanage the campaign, for example like you said not getting enough food.
In my baktria campaign, Selukids satraps never rebelled its like turn 140~ and they have eaten all the middle east besides the indian and baktria area, so instead of attacking them I decided to just non agression and trade with them and all their satraps while I crusaded in the north, killing all those horse archer armies was pretty torturous to be honest.
What?! That's crazy man. I've never heard of them getting past turn 40 at the most.
Do you have submods that adjust the Seleucids?
@@WelcomeToDERPLAND Wow I wonder how the Seleucids managed to do it!
Thank you for this! :) Great video.
Thank you for watching!
I like how they always get Parthian-shotted into oblivion in every campaign.
Except when we play Parthia and they send army stacks after army stacks😅
Would be nice to see Rome
Rome will be our grand finale for our grand campaign overview series :)
You made me LOL when you said silver splatted crap on the ground.. hahahah Now finely I have to try Bactrian campaign..
Thanks a lot for great DeI content ^^
What about Mercenary overview in the future? (Maybe as a side series? :D)
Yep for sure mate I'll be covering mercs in the future as well as AOR units :)
Hey Immersaholic,
As DEI Team has updated Bactria, when will you make the review 2.0?
Gday mate, I don’t know when I will but I definitely will at some point. I have a lot of factions to do.
Thanks for another informative and entertaining overview. To continue a (spottily-executed) tradition, the magnitudes of the faction traits are: +5% income from industry and commerce, -25 diplomatic relations with anyone of Nomadic culture, +4 Hellenic culture in owned territory.
If I can make one suggestion, I know you said in some earlier videos that incorporating reform tier into the unit overviews is essentially too complicated, but with the new unit database on the DeI website, perhaps you could revisit this idea, as it impacts the usefulness of some of these units greatly. For example, you say that the Mauryan longbows are a great counter to horse archers, and that is true, but the fact that you have to wait until Thorax reforms to get them means you will almost certainly have many, many battles against horse-archer heavy factions before this comes into play at all (and, on normal difficulty, may well have eliminated them by the time you finally get them!)
(Similarly with the Cretans -- if you're someone located near Crete, you basically get them from the start of the game. Not Bactria! Gotta wait for that Thorax reform...)
Thanks for the extra info tagtip!
Now that the database is available I was debating how I can incorporate them into these videos. The problem is these rosters for factions like Baktria are so massive its hard not to add extra info without these vids becoming so long (even for this overview I only barely talked about a few of the lesser units and it was still over a hour long).
Right now I'm debating on just doing an entirely seperate series where we focus just on reforms and what each reform means for the faction of that video. It'll probably be a solid 20 minute video especially for the larger factions. What do you think of that?
@@Immersaholic Sounds like a solid plan to me -- making the reform video a sort of appendix to your faction overview. I like it!
@@tagtip Thanks mate I might post a poll in the discord and see what people think :)
Great news this morning: Finally the
long hoped Bactria review is out!
Like always a huge pleasure to see your content.
Many thanks! Now my day is saved.👍😀
Thanks a lot mate I hope you enjoyed! :D
@@Immersaholic yes. And I can agree with like 90% of your analyze. But at least I did struggle and found the campaign quite challenging. But I am a very average player at best.
At the start, I already got 2 problems: food and public order. I have nice trade goods but almost no trade partners and due to missing resources some buildings are not available.
Then one neighbor declares war on me rather early and once I solved this problem Mayrian Empire had already captured the South.
In my campaign it took me until round 80 to be able to capture most of the East and knock them out.
At that point I had to face a strong Seleucid Empire and Armenia.
Both got very strong cavalry and the Seleucids even amoured elephants and better pikes. I am not sure if I will be able to kick them out and how long it will take me.
@@andresalphie5400 Sounds like you got a bit unlucky with your neighbors like the Seleucids doing well since they often don't.
Usually I'd recommend you lower your taxes combined with having a general or faction leader sitting in your major cities working on public order traits. Plus don't build up your cities before you can handle the food/squalor issues. If you have the money its tempting to rush and build everything all the way up but food can catch you off guard.
Damn this makes me wanna play them
Surprisingly enough I'm not that keen on playing as them but if you are I'd suggest trying out all the different AOR units since they have a lot of variety nearby :)
great video as always some suggestions for future factions overwiews would be the galatians , the ardiaei and nabatea
Thanks mate and thank you for the suggestions!
Great review! Cheers.
Thanks mate!
Currently on turn 176 of my Baktria campaign. Time to see just how wrong I've been using my units lol.
Hey man if you've made it that far in a campaign your probably doing great :D Although most of their units are so good its hard to mess up. How is your campaign going mate?
@@Immersaholic Doing good. 34 regions, 10 provinces. Control everything between Baktria in the East to Nabata in the West.
Have long held positive relations with Rauxsa-alanna (conquered their rivals in Xvarazm) who control Scythia so no worries about nomadic raids.
6 full stacks (4 mixed armies, 1 city assault focused, 1 major cavalry focused), 1 fleet and 1 high level governor general.
Stable economy which I'm trying to improve now as I forgot about Baktria's increased commerce and industrial income trait (facepalmed when you mentioned it in the intro section).
No wars right now except for Pirates (actually offered me peace lol) who control Antiocheia but looking to deliver a swift assault against the Seleukidai to secure Mesopotamia, Palmyra and Syria. Ptolemaioi was my next target but Rome has just arrived in the East, so I'll have to think over my next steps.
No doubt the Heirs of Alexander and the Wolves of Mars will come head to head, good luck to everyone caught in between.
@@mongrelfox4569 Wow sounds like a awesome campaign mate! The industrialization of your provinces and extra commerce buildings should help blow up your economy for sure.
I hope this overview was helpful, good luck taking on Rome! Pikes will be devastating against their infantry too!
After watching this, I'm very pleased that in my Maurayn campaign, I defeated Baktria fairly quickly before it had time to finish me off. But I paid the price :D I had to ally myself with the Parthians and now they block my entire expansion on east and north. Does great Immersaholic community have any ideas how to counter almost all cavalry (and most archer) Parthian armies with Maurayn units? :D I tried to use old advice "dont fight Parthia on open field" but that mechanic "enemy sally out from the city to fight you" drives me crazy :P
Sounds like you have a awesome campaign!
One of my tips would be to try and force sieges but your right the ai will often sally out if its a small town (although for the larger capitals of regions they should stay inside).
Umm but anyway Baktria should have Scythian horse archers in their core region as AOR units so if you have access to them try to use them. In addition, some low tier siege equipment could help pretty massively. Scorpions in particular can decimate cavalry quickly. Ballista are okay but pretty inaccurate.
Also don't be afraid to use low cheap units to soak up the horse archer fire away from your core units so they ended up having to charge into your spears, which the ai will do eventually.
I hope this helped!
@@Immersaholic Thanks a lot, I'll try :) I totally forgot that I have access to scyhians. It seems like I need to get on with developing siege technology. Thanks for the tip about using cheap units, I usually try first to build a massive economy capable of supporting armies conisting of almost only elite troops.... but then it hurts terribly when those troops are ripped apart by Parthian arrows :D
@@publiuspertinax189 Yeah its tempting to have Elite heavy armies BUT the population mechanic in DEI punishes that heavily if you aren't careful. IRL armies had a mixture of elite/low tier men for good reasons that can be reflected in the game.
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Great video as always! It’s a bit sad that their hoplite roster is miniscule compared to the other greek faction. But hey, they got one of the best elephants and I won’t complain. Then again I use just use the bactrian infantry to fill the army since not only they have 300 man but good armour and take from the 3rd class... Maybe you should also explain what class you recruit them too?
Yeah its kinda strange but its also fair enough I think because they have such a powerful roster in general anyway. The few pikes/hoplites they have are pretty great too.
I would go through the pop classes but I'm focusing on trying to shorten these videos and I'm already doing terrible as it is :D lol.
I usually talk about the pop when its super important like say for Sparta.
True enough, talking about population is important for those that lack one and bactria centainly doesn't.
@@edricklim3765 Its definitely one of its strong suits!
Doing a Massalia game right now, it’s a ton of fun and I think it’d make a great video.
How is your campaign going mate? I'd love to do them BUT they are actually being overhauled in the new update that should be out in a couple months. Hence I'm waiting for that to do them :)
@@WelcomeToDERPLAND I've seen pics, they are looking fantastic so far. Much more mix for Celt/Hellenic style :D
I currently Play with Bactria on legendary with hardcore submod. That makes it less easy 😅
Fair enough :D I can see how that'd make it more difficult.
Why do you play on legendary if I may ask? My experience on there is facing literally every nation because they all declare war and then the battles area annoying because the stats aren't balanced.
@@Immersaholic because otherwise I find it too easy to win. I also modded the Major factions a bit so the will get very strong in the late Game. At least in Vanilla. This is my First DEI campaign but I watched others to learn like you rn. Your Video will help me !
@@haraldschnauzer223 Sounds cool mate, enjoy your campaign! I'm glad I could help out at all :)
Rome has a good Marian Skrimisher with 28 armor base and spear and shield a good tough skirmisher that with support takes on cav pretty damn well as long as they don't get charged. Otherwise spearmen archers usually feel disappointing since they usually don't have good morale anyway being archers/skrimishers.
Great video,mb Rome next time?
Thanks mate! Rome will be our final video for this series as a sort of grand finale. We might even end up doing 2 videos just for Rome.
Am I the only one who doesn't like Cretan archers much? I find the range being lower is just a huge downside and allows you to take a lot more free damage. The DPS from them is great but longbow men are much better in my mind.
I think their damage is just so devastating people love them, I swear I can recall something about how their arrows are special too beyond just the extra AP damage stat we can see. But I can't recall specifically.
Stat-wise they don't seem too impressive but its something about them that just gets so many kills.
Their archer roster is quite OP. I guess that along with horse archers that can be used as devastating shock units after they run out of ammo makes up for their lacking pike and hoplite roster.
Yeah I think its a bit too powerful tbh. While they don't have a lot of variety for pikes/hoplites the units that they do have in that category are still really solid. I'd rather see the faction have to rely on getting units like this through a special merc pool or aor.
Just found out that Baktria infantry lose _badly_ to even garrison Greek hoplites, even in shield wall. Granted that was on very hard, but I doubt it would have been much better on normal.
Battle difficulty should be set to normal in DEI, otherwise this will happen as ai gets all sorts of buffs
So for this faction, is it considered wise to just build tall in your territories for the first several turns? Build up your culture, economy, public order, make your army and dont conquer anything? But as soon as the satrapies rebel, THEN you start expanding?
That's if you want a really easy campaign then yes. Although you can kill Parthia while your building tall as they aren't a satrapy nor are they allied to anyone on turn 1.
So rush Parthia, then hold and wait for the rebellions :)
You should do the Boii, great video though!!!
Thanks mate! They might have to be our next barbarian faction O.o It's between them or the Medewi next I think!
Haha waiting for Rome but for now I am playing as Seleucid and I am only winning with them because I have better cavalry xd. I don’t know how but AI is disgusting as Rome. Legionaries have 16 mele attack and 20 mele defense so even my silver shields swordsmen work as meat to hold the line only xd. And I really admire you playing on legendary difficulty.
The Legionnaires are probably getting buffed from having multiple levels of XP ranks plus resource building chains helping (e.g. from iron) and then generals get experienced very quickly which can increase stats of the units.
@@Immersaholic thanks! I have to check that
Would be nice to see now Saka Rauka, Ptolemaic Egypt and Rome
Thanks for the suggestion! Rome will be our last one for a grand finale but I can add the Saka to the list of factions coming up :) Egypt too.
@@Immersaholic thanks man! I appreciate your enthusiasm about Divide Et Impera)
@@vladboch No worries mate! I love DEI and any other historical games/mods that provide great immersion so it won't always be just DEI but I'm definitely focused on it at the moment. I'm also thinking of checking out Attila's 1212ad mod soon!
@@Immersaholic haven't tried it yet, but I might as well do it someday. It's really good and immersive for medieval era fans, I just find myself more keen to antiquity.
I just bought Rome 2 Emperor edition and does any one know if Sebidees successors kingdom mod expansion work with the game ?
I also vote for Rome next
Thanks for the suggestion but we are waiting for them to be our last faction overview as a sort of grand finale :)
How would you build an army as Baktria?, Do you go purely cavalry or do you attempt a Greek style army?
As Baktria you'd probably have a few different armies. One Greek-style where you have lots of pikemen and cav combined. Another more Indian style army where you use the AoR units to give you a fast moving frontline of swordsmen/axemen combined with their super long range archers.
And you can do a all cav army if you like, just use the Sogdian horse archers and others you get access to early on in the North.
The main thing about Baktria is you get variety that lets you fight anyone else on the map quite easily. You just have to know what you want.
Yes power house of the east after parthia
I'd argue before Parthia to be honest. Although in a 1 v 1 with core roster units ONLY (no aor/mercs) then Parthia should win if its an all cav army. Otherwise I'd say Baktria is easily more powerful.
I’m about to start a grand campaign but can’t decide between Bactria or Egypt
I'd suggest Egypt, a lot more fun and challenging but you still get to use similar units to Bactria. Bactria is easy and pretty straight forward imo.
@@Immersaholic yeah I ended up going Egypt and things are going smoothly. Still need to work on learning how to properly use archers because I keep fucking up and getting them slaughtered lmao
@@hereforthecommentsection_11 Oh nice! Just watch out for that cultural issue they get with the Egyptian culture coming up against your Hellenic one.
Yeah archers in DeI actually really aren't too great except for like in sieges. I prefer archers because I just like them but you'll find it hard to get good kills with them.
Any thoughts on 12 TPY mod? I see you dropped it.
I love it and HIGHLY recommend it! I just didn't use it in my current Parthian campaign because I wanted to try a vanilla- DEI experience. I usually heavily mod my playthroughs. Our next major campaign will use it and many other mods.
i wish i knew how to mod it never works when i try
Same to be honest mate haha. I wish I could do it but I’m terrible at programming
I was used to playing the regular rome 2 and all these stats look ridiculously weak.
I'm used to having 100+ morale and like 50-60 attack xD
Hahah that's understandable :)
DeI lowers the stats of all units across the board in order to extend combat and allow for more immersive battles and tactics to occur.
You'll get the hang of it mate, good luck in DeI!
Egipt maby next
They'll probably be our next Hellenic faction :)
I do factions by cultural category usually!
Thanks for the suggestion!
Though I love the mod, I am somewhat salty over the handout of the Indian roster (which I think need a bit of an overhaul) units to them.
Really why is that? To be honest I'm just grateful we have Indian representation at all in DEI but I have heard of a couple other people who weren't happy with the roster. But I'm not familiar with what Indian units historically were at the time period so I'm pretty easy to please on the topic.
@@Immersaholic I too am very grateful that they were able to do it better than CA but what I am saying is that the roster is truly a bit lacking when compared to actual historical armies. Despite that other factions have access to some of the strongest units from their roster makes the Mauryan a bit of a handicapped faction. Btw Great videos. You dont know how much i had struggled before stumbling on these.
@@samarthmisra6064 Fair enough mate :) If you can I'd suggest you leave feedback on the DEI discord, their very receptive to feedback.
I'm glad the vids could help you out mate, thanks!
What about Arverni next?
Hmmm possibly! People have been suggestiong Boii for our next barb faction so it might have to be between those 2 O.o
No love for Ptolemaic Egypt? :(
Egypt could maybe be our next Hellenic faction? :D
When can we expect to see athens? 😊
After the next DeI update, Athens roster is getting new units/visual overhaul :)
Need a new update
Indeed! All of my overviews that aren’t a part of the 1.3 series will be updated.
@@Immersaholic can't wait! Love this series
@@dietricklamade7417 Thanks mate, will do my best to get to them all :)