Hybe acquired 100% of Be:lift Labs, whereas it used to be owned 48% Hybe and 52% CJ&ENM (Mnet). When Hybe acquired all the shares from Be:lift Labs, they lost the relationship with Mnet. BUT! Mnet had the I-Land trademark. So I-Land was Mnet's doing, not Hybe's. Hence I-Land being moved to Wakeone with Wakeone contestants and trainees, since Wakeone is an Mnet Label. Hybe had to create a new show, R U Next, to create the next Be:lift Labs girl group and aired on MBC.
@@Maria-uv9pd I don't think so. There were duplicate challenge songs in Girls Planet and Boys Planet as well. It's just a thing these shows tend to do, as it demonstrates how well contestants do in certain positions.
I think IZNA isn't going to be explicitly girl crush. If the songs are anything like what the original songs they performed during the show (IWALY, Drip, Fake It, and Final Love Song), it's probably going to be closer to a female empowerment concept of some sort.
@@mehdihouoiry7560 Yh they literally only gave storylines for the contestants they wanted to debut so we were forced to like the ones the producers liked when contestants like Minsol, Yui, Juwon, Soul, Jiwon and Yuju would have been just as popular if they had a good edit and a storyline
@@mehdihouoiry7560 well its kpop survival show there is no way it'll be 100% fair. Moreover it's a survival show some dissatisfaction and disappointed is expected. Not every participate will debut. Yh fuko one was sad but it was pretty expected. She was not many ppls one pick also most of the time she was given support role. She was not really main focus. And in survival show talent most of the time doesn't bring shit, the story mnet play, the more focus you get determines you chance you debut
@@layla-vb5no this is a survival show. Y’all should of known what you were getting yourselves into when you decided to watch. I’ve seen way worse survival shows than iland2. Infact this is one of the best survival show final line ups I’ve seen in a while. At the end of the day people are not gonna make it. There’s like a 10 % chance that all your favourite picks would debut .
@@fatimasummaray784 Yh ik not everyone's gonna make it but in a lot of other survival shows there are way more contestants so obviously they can't focus on everyone but I land only has 24 contestants. I like the lineup I'm just saying some of them I didn't even hear from until they were eliminated.
While I don’t think the show rigged the final lineup, I do think there were a lot of unfair judgements that took place during Part 1. Overall, though, I’m happy with the results and looking forward to izna’s debut.
@@rymia I wish there were some way to get the complete, unedited feedback from the judges. I think that their scores, etc. might have made more sense with that context, but the show producers edited the feedback to further whatever storyline they desired.
I mean if you went to the ground you wouldn't be considered for debut which was the whole point, so I think the the screen time was pretty fair for the most part.
@@thurayyahadi6101 i say unfair by the fans, bcs yui was literally a amazing rapper and dancer but ppl slept on her and didnt vote for her while gyuri who didnt even stand out once went in
Fuko failed to do the easy rapping that was required from her and I'm sure that affected how the fans and producers thought of her. It definitely disappointed me.
I-Land 2 is a show I refused to watch specifically because every contestant was so endearing and strong in their own way. There was NO WAY everyone would be happy with the lineup because EVERY CONTESTANT WAS DESERVING TO DEBUT IN THE FINALE. EACH ONE. You can’t ask for a better set of finalists, but at the same time, you’re doomed to always have people mourning what could have been bc everyone was too good for their own good….
You should honestly cover RUNext, that’s honestly the most disgustingly rigged shows I’ve ever watched. Nothing tops it truly. Obviously all survival shows to an extent is rigged but I’ve never had that bad of an experience to the point I still can’t even look at the debuting group. Obviously no hate to illit but due to how badly the show was handled I still can’t vibe with them at all. Normally after survival shows I can at least casually stan the group or such but with RUNEXT and illit it’s simply not possible.
@@denisse3883 moka is a greta singer bro, hear her behind the scenes in the actual eopsidoes of runext shes rlly good, i can tag u, its jsut its obvious magnetic is way under her vocal range, she always did higher parts and in songs like my bag where there was a low range, she did 5 seconds
@@denisse3883 The concept imo was only made for Wonhee in mind but yh their songs are catchy. I was hoping for a more mature concept tho bcs thats what suits more of the members. Still love and support them and they are doing really well
I think you’ve properly articulated how I feel about the show. As someone who’ve watch the first I-Land, I feel disappointed in the fact that it lost its authenticity compared to the first season. The judges basically became mouthpieces for production, and the line up was predictable (but I do think the group has a lot of potential). But we’ll just have to wait and see. Side Note: I remember someone saying that even if Fuko was added into the group she wouldn’t be utilized. Sadly, it makes sense since Jiyoon and Jungeun are probably gonna be the main vocalists. I love Fuko (I voted for her), and believe that she deserves more than a few seconds in a song.
We need Produce 101 Japan season 4 (hopefully girls again) and hopefully Fuko will debut there! LAPONE Entertainment is actually 70% owned by CJ ENM, btw
No cause Chanelle did nothing wrong and was the victim during the whole show from being forced to perform concepts she doesn’t fit so that she can be eliminated easily to mocking her when she explains why she doesn’t want to do that while Sujung lost the love of the fans because of what she did to Mai if that’s how she acts in front of the camera how does she act behind the camera also teamwork is very important in a group if Sujung can’t even do the bare minimum and say it to Mai’s face that she’s not on the right path than she needs to work on her teamwork
No Chanelle was much worse! I also think they used the American stereotype against her. Sujung just got caught talking behind Mai's back and lost whatever fans she had. But even if that hadn't happened, I still think the producers would have eliminated her.
No cause she was a fan favourite coming in and would absolutely slay at any intense concepts and they threw her away anyway... like at least with Fuko and Gyuri you can kind of think, well they wouldn't suit the TBL vibes so they were edited out for that reason, but for the life of me I won't understand not wanting her in the group, literally the only reason was they preferred Koko, that's it...
i think the lineup was pretty predictable since before episode 6 😭 jeemin was obvious since the start, jungeun since drama, jiyoon since enl, saebi since panorama, mai since fls (they kept giving her wayyy high scores) koko since she made it to part 2 and sarang was really the only surprise to me (but a good one she’s my 1 pick)
i feel like koko was more of surprise than sarang, i could see a bit of favouritism from the judges for her in part 1 and the performances in part 2. Sarang was pretty predictable but with the average screentime koko had in part 1 i didn't think she would make it
Same, I was only surprised by Sarang because I though that she would be made the sacrificial lamb and become the member that despite her favouritism was not picked by the judges in an attempt to make the show look unbiased at the end. Genuinely though she would get the fallen angel storyline.
@@youdonotknowwhoiamlol It was either her or Fuko because Mnet's idea of a global group is a 1/3 ratio and Koko was locked from lovesick girls onwards. So the only route in which Fuko is picked is if the group is having a softer concept, which was unlikely given the blacklabel's proclivity for girl and teen crush
So if it rigged then, Go watch R U NEXT (show which formed ILLIT). It's more rigged than I-Land. Only 2 fan vote (1 of the member chose by fan vote left before debut) & 4 PD pick. At least I-Land give us 5 fan vote.
That’s not why we said it was rigged because that also happened in Sixteen not just R U NEXT we said that it was legally rigged because they announced last minute that all of the international votes were going to be removed so BeLift didn’t do anything illegal because they had made a public announcement of how the voting was going to work
It's the fact that the end group literally only had 1 member picked by the public, and that is the member the most people are mad about being in the line-up is low key wild.
I will never not understand how everyone's upset that Fuko didn't debut (I am too) but nobody talks about YUJU. MY GIRL DESERVED TO DEBUT. IT WAS HER 3RD CHANCE- she was more than ready!
I think because everyone already expected her not to debut, the judges didn't like her at all and she always had low ranks since IWALY. Fuko was more of a surprise because the whole show she always ranked in the first 6 positions, the only time she didn't was in the finals where she ranked 8th
my thoughts on the "riggory" of i land 2. this turned out way longer than i expected; i just couldn't stop ranting lol. just my opinions, don't come for me 🙏 tbh iland 2 was not as "rigged" as a lot of other survival shows. the final lineup is amazing and the girls made it who absolutely deserved to debut. i'm glad that most of them are older contestants. (honestly crazy to say that they're older, bc they're so young. but in this day and age they're on the older side for debuting idols 😭 i hate ageism in kpop but that's a discussion for another time) i totally agree with the sentiment that some trainees got way more screen time and storyline compared to other trainees, and the original ground contestants never really stood a chance. but honestly this happens in every survival show, so i'm not too surprised. what i am salty about is the fact that the judges were definitely NOT objective at times. especially for the "rain on me" performances and the entirety of part 2 ngl. fuko, yuju, sujung, and juwon deserved so much better. but other than that, all the eliminations in part 1 made sense. they simply weren't as talented as the remaining girls. other than yui, umji, and minsol- none of the girls in part 1 had the talent of the girls who made it to part 2. perhaps this made it "boring" but i'll take boring over ACTUAL "riggory" any day. i guarantee if contestants like lingling and yeeun made it to the finals or even debut, people would be up in arms about choosing visuals/popularity over talent and the show being rigged. a good example of this is RUNext. i will genuinely never get over the fact that all of the most talented contestants didn't make it. to this day, people are still talking about bad boy unit and the other talented trainees. we don't need a shocking twist where the girl who looked frightened on stage makes it to the debut lineup (sorry wonhee. i love u girl.) we just want a talented lineup. one of the reasons you love mai is probably bc she's one of those less talented trainees who had a major improvement arc and shockingly made it to the final lineup. that's totally understandable, and i'm also very happy for mai. she deserves it as i said before. it's just that iland 2 (mostly) prioritized talent, and it's also what i'm looking for. i don't really care about the entertainment value of shocking twists as much. anyway i'm adding fuko, sujung, yuju, and yui into my pocket of ex survival show contestants who didn't make it and i'm waiting for (along w jihyun, jiwoo, chanelle, jeongeun, yurina, and more 😭) i'll always miss u guys 💔
I think the best part of Iland 2 is we know the group coming out of it is extremely well rounded. We all know there are conflicts of specialties if any of Gyuri, Yuju, or Fuko would've been included instead of Mai or Saebi. We have two for each main position as well as two visuals, two centers, and a distinct FOTG. We also still have a good group of leaders in Jungeun, Mai, and Jiyoon (even though I don't think she'd be interested). I think we have the best ground available that wouldn't cause conflict.
I love the girls, but they would not be able to have a concept that works for all of them and frankly the all deserve better than fading into the background of a concept they don't suit for 7 years, or even worse gaining no recognition because the group never get's itself a solid conceptual identity. I think Fuko, Gyuri and Minsol would all be great together in a lighter concept and Juwon, Sujung and Yuju (alongside Yui) could also become a fierce girl crush style group. Combine them with some of the RUN girls to beef up the numbers and we would have some winning groups on our hands
okay everybody is calling iland 2 rigged but i really think 'rigged' is a bit far fetched. there was def favoritism but like we literally got the best possible lineup to have gotten, we got jungeun, jeemin, jiyoon, koko who is in majority of peoples picks and we got sarang an all rounder who has a big one-pick fanbase. i think a lot of people just say its rigged because fuko didnt make it. we got to pick 5/7 members and people mainly complain about the pds pick mai and saebi... i love fuko but like her one pick fanbase just wasn't big enough and if she did make the group she would of been overshadowed by the other vocalists, i think she'll be better off in another company other than wakeone and in a group where she can shine more! of the recent survival shows id honestly say I-land 2 has been the least rigged but thats just my opinion :)
Be realistic here, if she wasn't shown she would have been the producer pick anyway. The only reason they did it was because it would reflect poorly on the show's editing and the fans if no Japanese girls made the top 5. Because otherwise they would have placed 6,7,8 by votes. It would not have changed the final line-up it just would have pissed people off and had them cry racism.
I'm used to watching competition shows. I know it's always rigged in some way. But the Rain on Me result made me so mad. Clearly, clearly not based on the performance ar all. I also felt sooo bad for Fuko in the finale. They did her so dirty with the part assignment, and then a bonus member at the end on top of that?? (I'll admit Saebi was one of my least favorite but clearly loved by the judges.) Fuko's devastated face still sticks with me. She had every right to be angry.
even though i loved fuko i feel like its because they thought she didn't suit the overall concept of the group and when everyone was given a challenge in the last few rounds like jiyoon performing in a concept she was not used to do fuko was given the challenge to rap in english but then she just gave up on that chance and instead sarang took that opportunity. they probably chose saebi because she was more versatile and could perform in different concepts while being stable in every performance. mnet made it seem like fuko could only do concepts like after like performance. this was the same for gyuri. if they made fuko do a concept like the money performance and she did well, fuko probably could've debuted
@@abbieie287 I agree. I think it is important for trainees to show versatility and I think they were looking for that in the end. I think how Sarang did well and fitted rapping and Fuko didn't keep trying and accepted the main vocal over the other hurt her. While Mai did well. I think If Fuko did something to show versatility or a surprise in the last few episodes especially that last song I strongly believe she would be in the group in place of Mai. I think the judges were going to stick with the ranking picked by voters.
@@denisse3883 I also agree on this. It is based on creativity and creativity for the Iland Rain on Me was not just pigeon-holed on dance. They "used" the stage as part of their performance and honestly that is enough to be a wow factor because they are thinking outside the box. PLUS their facial expressions went with the song. IF you watched the Ground Rain on Me they were continuously smiling throughout the whole performance. It lacked story it lacked expression. I think people really look over the creative aspect.Hands down Iland Rain on Me was great. How many performances in Iland 2 used something more than just the stage. I think having a creative challenge is a great category to add.
I wanna talk about this because I really like Fuko. Do you feel like Fuko is a better and more versatile vocalist than Jiyoon and Jungeun? I bawled when Fuko bawled, but no matter what having a couple main vocalists and a well rounded group is more important than anything. Fuko will debut somewhere, but the existence of Jiyoon and Jungeun made it impossible for her to be able to be in this group. I am interested in your perspective thought :)
I want a series where you could never tell who’s gonna be safe. The second those girls went to GROUND in the first episode, you knew they were done. That’s how it always is Very rarely do those who do terrible in the beginning end up in the finale/final group. I understand why but there’s NEVER been a successful underdog story? Like I need examples
The final line up is good, not everyones favorite will make it in the final line up, some people need to move on from their sourness cause whats done is done 😂.
THANK YOU SOO MUCH FOR TALKING ABOUT NANA. I was everyday defending her ass and trying to make people see her improvement, but it was already to late, the Cake performance already put a bad taste in people's mouths about her. She improved much in Bad Bay and Rain On Me I thought she would be an underdog, she didn't deserve to get eliminated, she was a better dancer in Rain On Me than Chaeeun and Yeeun, they could never make me hate you nana...
It was rigged in the sense of screentime and story line. They're main focus were Mai,Jiyoon,Jungeun,Jeemin, Sarang, Saebi,Fuko & Koko. The rest they didn't care much for or they turned them into a villain and had beef with some of the girlies. Honestly i think the elimination were fair because nana eunchae chaaeun yeeun jiwon and yuiko lacked talent I'm mad about that.
@@yawnzzn1206 she did at first. The one who helped everyone out and was a good leader, after part 1 she didn't have anyone to help because everyone could help themselves and hold their own. Fuko had a good amount of screentime until part 2
Jeemin was bound to have the most screen time and Saebi bounced in popularity after the Panorama performance because of her "Wonyoung aura/vibes" people even started calling her mini Wonyoung
Mai didn’t really have a lot of screentime expecially in part two.She was known for her appearance and that’s where most of her screentime stems for and her leading the ground team but apart from that just crickets
@@rina_core i mean that was a reason why her fans "forgot" about her and tried to vote for other talented ones thinking she was safe edit: i get your point now, it's just that i don't think she was a main character at all. maybe she was in part 1 but then mnet changed their minds and stop giving her screentime, i think the channel Soft 4 Taeng had a great analysis on this
I don’t understand this take… she was a monotonous performer, looked boring on stage and didn’t fit girl crush/ BLACKPINK concept at all If she is going to debut she should debut in a group with a more delicate concept
@@mariasol1545 I don't think izna will have a blackpink concept, I think their songs are gonna be more like somi's (dumb dumb, xoxo, birthday) or like StayC (iwaly was very StayC coded imo)
Did you finish Boys Planet? If so, I'd love to watch a retrospective on it analyzing where the contestants are now with ZB1, Evnne, One Pact, Ampers&one, Toz, TIOT, etc.
its not just the lineup thats the problem its the shows inconsistent judgement criteria as well as favoritism and blatant sabotaging that makes iland 2 rigged.
@@nabi6261 Help its like you didn’t even watch the video, even if your picks debuted you can see the riggory of I-land 2, stop hating on anyone criticizing the show or the lineup cause its true on how much they sabotaged the contestants and the favoristism they had rumors the chances of other contestants, ive literally seen you in other youtube comments hating on other contestants and people criticizing the show, maybe you should ask them why they think that why and hear then out instead of immediately hating and getting mad, you literally did the same for the creator of this vid…. Like you literally called him insecure just cause he said izone brainrot, thats not something mean to the group , even many people think that it sounds like iz*one cause they are from the same company , you literally were mean to him just cause he called I-land 2 rigged….
Personally I thought most I-Land 2 trainees were mediocre at best, so it was obvious that the few, slightly more talented ones were gonna debut. It also didn't help that there were only 24 contestants, again, most of whom just felt like girls who had pretty faces and some singing/dancing ability. I think both of these factors contributed to the show being boring overall and the final lineup ended up being very predictable. I just hope IZNA doesn't end up in the Black Label dungeon like Somi, or that WakeOne manages their career sloppily like Kep1er.
I think Izna has a well balanced final group. I feel like overall it is a very talented dancing group with high level of stage presence. The overall vocal level averages to a similar level to other 5th gen group with much room for improvement. The rapping skill is also very encouraging but also it does not take much perceived rapping skill to be able to perform it well. The group overall fills the holes other members have perfectly and this group has a good chance to be successful even without the flopping Wakeone causes.
@@mariasol1545fuko and gyuri aren’t boring,expecially with how fuko managed the ground team and her overall leading qualities.She was the only true leader of Iland that could have molded the groups chemistry and overall vibe.Not only that but she was like a mix of jiyoon and jungeuns vocals.I also kinda dislike this whole maknae image in kpop and how some idols have made it their whole selling point.Its really just being the youngest
gyuri would've turned into wonhee from r u next and i'm so happy they didn't shove her down our throats, i honestly think she is talented but she's too young to debut and needs more training and also it's best for her to debut at a healthier age
@@Manuelita0001 yeah no....gyuri was actually talented from the very beginning had stage presence, decent dance and not too mention a good vocal and she only IMPROVED even more during part 2...don't every try to compared gyuri to her.
It’s biased imo. When you have judges who judge on potential over current talent mixed with judges who will base purely on performances and current talent the judging criteria isn’t consistent.
@@nayshine7875 YES! Monika got on my nerves most of the show, tbh. I really hope it's the editing cutting stuff out, because she seemed very inconsistent in her criteria most of the show.
I don't think the show did Fuko dirty. She got a lot of screentime throughout the show but by the end she wasn't just everyone's first pick. She's talented yes, but by Part 2 of the show, we can see that she just doesn't add any versatility to the debut group especially when we already have people like jungeun and jiyoon as vocalist, jeemin and saebi as center, koko (and sarang) as rappers, mai with the insane visual (she's a great dancer too) and jungeun is a great leader ( as shown by the end when her groupmates in fake it chose her over fuko). It's sad that she did not debut but so did the other contestants, everyone is destined to not debut in a survival show.
I had never seen judges so clearly biased (the runext ones are a close second) both against and in favor of trainees. Aren't judges in survival shows supposed to be unbiased mentors/coaches? Why are they acting like fans and antis of these girls lately? Like that ain't your job dog 😭
idk why would be cool to have a show where they add on random idol to the lineup, and the remaining trainee who haven't been chosen will have to perform their audition song. the trainee who improved the most since the start of the show gets into the group.
Mai was my 1-pick as well, very sad that Fuko didn't debut (and Lingling in pt1) but at the same time I think they are debut ready for a different group. Mai will always be a bias of mine even if I don't end up liking their debut (or maybe I will).
I feel like for me, i can't take anyone too serious if one calls any of the people in the final group "rigged" per say. For me, you can't take a double standard kind of approach and toss around the word "rigged" without understanding the whole scenario for iland (not just at face value thru assumptions, but also understanding what perspective and understanding did mnet want their final group to have) cuz at the end of the day, this shit is their business regardless of our votes. I personally don't think anyone was "rigged" into the group as each girl has shown herself enough to be provided a reason why they should be in this group! Whether it be thru raw talent/skill, positive attitude/personality or by just being a unremarkable kind of likable, all of them absolutely deserved to be debuted :DD
i'd defintiely love a "riggory of" video abt produce 48, produce 101, or even idol school. so glad these videos exist because i love the drag detective's videos too
i think ground cleared the unit battle. Jiyoon and minsol did better. Koko carried where yuna ,yui and sarang cleared them. Rain on me did better than iland but they couldn't lose 9 of them because it would leave 3 and jungeun ,koko, saebi and mai are 4 it's better to have an extra 2 then losing one person. In the position battle they knew koko was more popular than saebi when though koko did better as a main dancer. Sarang beating jeemin made sense but i can't help think she would picked even if jeemin did better because jeemin would bag the votes same with yuju vs mai.
--Bruh the "CAKE" Speculation is mad crazy as it is really scary if true. -- As an ENTP i really got bored tbh. When I was at the 10th episode, I stopped because IDC who debuts since it looks so predictable I predicted 6 members (suprised that mai was added). - IWALY sounds good, FAKE IT sounds good, FINAL LOVE SONG sounds addictive. If IZNA debuted with this sounds it sounds so serene, almost like a farewell song, it sounds like departing yet love. IF IZNA debut with these concepts I would listen all day. If they did a girl crush concept, I would rather stream ILAND 2 songs LMAO -- i already predicted FUKO will not debut, when she was assigned on DRIP, she could have rap but didn't take it. But I really want to see other sides of her yet it I feel short as I crave more., -- We have seen FUKO and JUNGEUN duet but none of that sparks. We have seen FUKO and JIYOON duet yet none are interested nor talking about it. Lastly, when JUNGEUN and JIYOON duet almost everybody tuned and talk about it regardless of their bias. And that's what I thought, huh.... FUKO would not maybe make it since she dissapears in each episode as I watch.' -- FUN FACT: before debuting SAEBI, SARANG, FUKO, JUNGEUN, AND JIWON have deep bond when they were training for years to debut. The avenger squad is also close to each other before debuting. JIYOON, JUNGEUN, JEEMIN AND MAI. MAI and FUKO were close with most of grounder trainees who did not debut sadly. While KOKO became the loved member as soon as the ILAND program start. LMAO What I meant is that, all members support each other and close to each other so their chemistry will keep them strong even flooded with hate train. The OT7 Lineup is fine with me. I keep rewatching RYU SARANG voice cracks, sounds entertaining btw.
I’m still gobsmacked that Fuko didn’t make it; like I truly wasn’t worried at all about her debuting because I was so sure it was happening. I hope WAKEONE doesn’t send her to a third survival show and just debuts her already; she’s worked so hard 💔
I think they put some people in iland or ground “undeservingly” just to make the flow of people between iland and ground because it’s more “dramatic”. If they judged fairly 90% of contestants wouldn’t be changing at all
cut the crap, there was favouritism ofc, but they kinda need a group who can do smt of everything, they also need a cohesive group, they can't have people who can't do cute concept alongside people who can only do cute concept. This does not make it rigged; rigged is that "group" (illflop) some company founded by a couple of dement who ran away from an asilum (be lift), that is rigged and 3 out of 5 memebers are a good add to another group but not a group (Minju and Yunah are the only 2 I save) Iroha and moka can only dance, Wonhee can, I mean... be cute I guess, not on stage since she seems a cat on the highway. ANYWAYYYYYY........ they are rigged in, but this line up is actually good tho
@@Stay.2022. I mean sure similar edits are reused, but I wouldn’t say it’s entirely the same. If this was the 8th season of produce or something, I’d feel like it was repetitive, but the structure of each survival show varies so I’d say it’s valid to point it out. And excuse me if I’m wrong but from my pov, you seem to be somewhat irritated that the title calls the show “rigged” and you’re pointing out that it’s not more rigged than usual. But what I’m trying to say is that this video isn’t trying to dismiss the show or criticize the line up, but it acknowledges that all survival shows are somewhat unfair, and is just acknowledging the specific instances of favoritism or unfairness in the show. The “riggory “ part just comes from the fact that this video series is a parody of another CZcamsr’s series
@@CrownPrinceEdvin sadly yea, but there’s still chances she can debut. I saw someone on twitter saying she’s under a company, don’t know if it’s still wakeone tho (hopefully not)
with the rain on me performance, iland did better imo because of the story telling, while it was unique dance wise i really enjoyed how empowering the ilanders team felt
6:15 thisss i knew from the moment both grounders team won that they would def make i-landers win . . . and my thoughts were even more hammered in when watching the storyline they had given ilanders as a dancer i absolutely loved grounders choreo sujung is so talented , and u could tell from the feedback they gave that they were scraping the bottom of the barrel to figure out what they should try and critique … it rly annoyed me how things played out u could tell mnet didn’t want a big switch of iland and grounders right before iwaly
The fact that Nana improved her vocals really good in like 2 weeks and still got eliminated... like what!? And also Yuju, Fuko and Gyuri carried like every preformance they were in and didn't get into the group. Make no sense
Iland is a name that is Mnet's property, Hybe confirmed before R U next aired that the second group from be lift won't go trough I-land since them and Mnet couldn't come to an agreement; Hybe then went by to create their survival, while Hybe found someone who wanted a free group to have something to air
@@aesglow when a situation is made to be unfair its called rigged. And i-land 2 was made so that their favorite trainees could debut while the others were added as fillers. Doesn't that make it rigged?
@@JustinCBesin rigging is for example changing the votes that are established. regardless of their screentime on the show, at the end of it all it was up to us to vote. you guys always call something unfair because it’s mnet but ig nothing will be fair when our favs don’t do their best
@@aesglow girl- What does it mean to rig something? 1. : to manipulate or control usually by deceptive or dishonest means. Your definition of rigged is only a part of the true definition. Unfair practices are considered rigging.
While I don't think I-land 2 was rigged, I do think it was quite unfair how some very talented girls were not shown much time! Yuju, Yui, and Gyuri, do not get me started of Gyuri. She was so talented and carried her group many times. "After Like" with Fuko, "Like ooh ah ooh ah". "4 walls" as well. All though I agree Fuko and Sarang did well, Gyuri just stood out so well to me but no watcher acknowledged it because Mnet never gave her screen time till the end of the show to make a plot. But everyone already had their first picks and no one would change, would they. Gyuri was an amazing teammate and while there was a part where she was being selfish, like everyone else, she gave up parts for the girls who didn't get many lines. Mnet NEVER gave Kim Gyuri screen time and I was really disappointed because I was with her since the first episode and I always saw she tried her hardest and did her best but never got the recognition she deserved.
I knew this show was going extremely south after the scores of juwon and sujung in the first mission in part2 (I am the best) and in my opinion the worst case of riggory was the second mission. Pd: Imo you should watch iland1 if you haven’t already since I think that it is actually a good SS; and Son Juwon deserved so much better 😢
I think there were also some really big moments of viewer manipulation. For example I think Mnet played in Everyone's faces about Jungeun. People were convinced that they didn't like her, but really I think Mnet tricked people into Panic voting for her. For example, in all of part 2 they consistently gave her low scores and had the judges give her harsh and uncalled for feedback. This obviously made people upset (boosted ratings) and made people panic vote (giving Mnet major ad revenue). Even though her storyline in the episodes continued to be positive, show her growth and potray her well. I.e. Mnet gave her low scores and improved her persona increasing her vote counts even more. It is was really evident from the jump that Mnet liked her, they ranked her #1, but more importantly in the beginning they consistently gave her as many parts as possible. This was evident in Final Love Song (however, she was definitely suited for the main vocal position because that positon was more like main vocal+lead dancer), but really really obvious in Drama, where they sidelined a stronger vocalist in Jiyoon to make Jungeun Shine. I also think when there evil editing strategy for Jiyoon failed, they realized that they could use the juyoonz "beef" to push the storylines of both girls and once again drive up voting and ratings.
I thought they were trying to drop Jungeun cause korean opinion of her was low. ...but you have to admit that Jungeun deserved to debut and everyone thought she was the Heeseung of the show at first. I don't necessarily think they would choose her as a producer pick though...so I'm glad that if it was manipulation, mnet did that to save a talented trainee. Cause if they hadn't done that, then people might not have prioritized her enough to debut.
Overall the lineup is fine imo and I LOVE SAEBI, but my actual top 3 picks were the only 3 that didn't make it in at the end. Hoping Fuko, Gyuri, Yeeun, and Yuju debut! Also, PLEASE do videos on past survival shows that'd be so fun
I think the final lineup is completely fine. All the contestants in part 2 were strong trainees that were ready to debut, it was just a matter of who got more popular at the end. The only rigged part may be fuko. But we all know that 💁♀️
Honestly this was way better than R U Next and Iland and since it was ran by Mnet who has experience in survival shows. You can see how much they have learned from their past. I would rephrase this the "bias" of I-Land 2, but I am assuming riggory is to get more viewers. Tbf I think in order to have a successful group for a continuing debut is to have a few concepts in mind (which they did) and with that you need those who can fit the role/concept well. I think the dynamic of having some extremely strong contestants to those who are not as strong may be due to lack of ready to go contestants, interest in seeing how they do, and possibly already filtered who they wanted out beforehand (before they even come on the show). So tbf they already have a bias because they are basing it on concepts that we were not directly presented but the producers were presented with. I think others forget the producers are probably edited too and in most cases generally get the heavy criticism for their critique. I think this show is satisfying in a sense there is common agreement of who should debut. I don't think it is a bad thing to have an idea who is mostly going to debut by the 9th episode especially with the low number of trainees debuting. If there were more one picks Fuko would be there instead of Mai. Yui would be there instead of Juwon. I think Juwon was let down by producers in part 2 and the viewers overall in the show. I think Yuju played it safe and by the time she was improving and standing out it was too late to comeback. I think Sujung had it the worst overall. I would be frusterated if I were her. Gyuri did not fit the concept, but will only benefit from the show.
Again, these are tv shows... Although marketed as reality, it is still made by producers just like ALL other reality shows. The ending and the story are always predetermined and that really shouldn't surprise anyone.
i loved choi soul too because she obviously has talent but one thing that i noticed is that she often gets overshadowed and she's not really impactful.
cool analysis. I have watched this show while watching Girls on fire, survival of a vocal focus-kpop group with ex dream academy / katseye nayoung (22) ex produce 101 hwang se young (29) ; and makemate 1 bg of kbs with ex boys planet han yu seop, ex niziu 2 miraku. this 2 later shows didn't have a large youtube impact. They did some against normal criticism of this type of show :artistst actually creating their performances, a good proportion of adult-age participants, isnt just luck based (like universe ticket) good artist can be saved from elimination, public voting isnt the only metric. Almost no evil editing, low in story line / more objective type of evaluations specialy with girls on fire. But made me think that I really like to know how judges actually evaluate. but that may the lack of "DRAMA" / storylines could a reason for lack of popularity? there where some outstanding artistic performances in girls on fire, majority of the initial 25 could " beat" the vocals girls of i land 2. but it dosent make one watch 10 episodes due repetitive format of this type of shows. Unfortunally I think that apealling for the human side , the easier way, with cheap melodrama may be the key of the success of reality shows. I asked for another more seasoned kpop fan by photos of candidates who you think will be finalists in ma1 ? when there where 20-16 they got 5 of the final 7 right. not that the finalist are "just visuals" they are talented boys and young men. but the show did a promotion on the voting app , that you had to op in, not advertised on the tv show, that from episode 3 or 4 until episode 8 if you guessed right the final line up would got get a cash prize of around 5k usd. So people could be persuaded to vote not on their favs, but who "will make it". it really make me think who actually can win, I usually like this type of show to see the development of the candidates so underdogs / high skilled are my favs. this show in a sense did opposite of boys planet, favor in screentime a lot of the non korean participants from episode 3 onward and in the youtube extra content. the top 3 finalist where non korean.
This is probably a controversial opinion, maybe, but Produce 101 Japan is better than these Korean survival shows. Praying season 4 gets announced soon and Fuko joins and gets a HUGE amount of v o tes. Become the next Sakurai Miu, hahaha
If only they let us watch episodes besides during the live. I had to download the episodes off of reddit and I could only watch it once and then I was locked out. I can't watch episodes live because it airs when I work.
You need to watch ILAND as well. The evil editing, and the push certain members recieved was really frustrating at times. Though i supported most of the ones who were pushed as i deemed them pretty talented but it was a waste of potential for the rest who were just shown as intimidated as they were from the ground and the bias is reflected in the final rankign as well with original grounders basically missing from the podium completely. And this is coming from a hardcore Engene.
I am CONVINCED they chose a lot of the constants who were eliminated in part 1 purely for the fact that they knew they weren't very good, and would not be voted. mnet definitely partake in legal rigging. They did it a lot with BP, selective audiences (I.e more Koreans over international fans)
I heavily disagree with your take that ground did better than iland in the choreography rain on me mission, sujung was way too focused on translating the literal meaning of the song to choreography and completely missed the meaning of the song, something that Mai’s choreography did better
You may be right about the scoring being more for manipulating the story line.. Jungeun’s 85 for “Lovesick Girls” and 80 for “If I Were a Boy” was total horse c r a p. Did they do that to influence I-mates vote? Were they testing Jung- eun? No explanation was given for the low scores. I’ll despise these judges to the grave
I agree the GROUND team in Rain On Me was so much better! people are delusional to think that the producers didn't have anything to do with the results T n T
Fuko in her K era 😔 Hopefully it's like &TEAM which probably won't happen. But seeing that they did add a surprise member I think it may happen? It probably won't.
To be fair Sarang is better dancer than all of them plus she’s more versatile and has better stage presence. With Jiyoon, Jungeun and Koko already in the lineup. It’s more understandable to add Sarang rather than Fuko and Yuju. I’m sorry but what role would Fuko play? What more would Fuko and Yuju add to the group? Sarang brings the Chinese market, she’s also an allrounder with a unique vocal tone and can pull off whatever concept🚶♀️
The point about the iland creative team winning does Nat make any sense. The Mai vs Sujung story had not even started and the moment which it happens was not even filmed yet since part 2 had not started by the time this episode aired. The reason that they had iland team win was because they wanted to keep the idea that iland was the “good” group of trainees. And we can see that in the actual scores. It was more that they preferred Sarang/Yui and Jiyoon winning over Sujung loosing. And that is specifically Sujung loosing, not the team as they were criticized over the creative aspects, not execution, which the show shows viewers was almost purely Sujung’s doing. It was about their dislike of Sujung, but not anything about liking Mai.
for me personally, i think they didnt want the ground team to win all three challenges so they inflated some of Mai's team score for them to win. like they know that their favorite trainees would be in jeopardy if 9 trainees were going to be sent to the ground. and it was also confusing how iland team won when it wasnt even THAT good compared to ground like the only thing that was good was the intro. and like how ground scores were very little compared to iland
@@JustinCBesin I actually think the only thing that was good was Lingling’s part. Like she is the reason why the “storyline” worked because her facial expressions were great. But I do agree that they just didn’t want 3 ground to win. The only girls that did well in iland were the ones that stayed in iland. Also they didn’t really have to work that hard to inflate the scores since the scores would be unbalanced given the difference in the number of people. I also think they made Chaeeun’s score lower than it should have been and made Soul and Yeeun higher than they should have been to get the outcome they wanted.
I very much disagreed on the whole unit battle commentary cause it's creatively unit not choreo unit and it just doesn't revolved on the choreo it's in the creativity and iland has more unique and creative overall choreography while ground having creative wow factors but overall bland performance and execution hence why they didn't won and similarly why ground won over iland vocal unit is that the their vocals was tie to tie but Ground won because of their emotional quality being more than Ilands emotional quality
the group name is pronounced ee-zna not eye-zna idk how you missed that
izone brainrot..
@@PlanetMinjae ee-zna reminds me of yzma frm emperor's new groove
It's a common thing and people just want any excuse to izone
nah bro its is-na
@@MightySomeone i thought i was the only one who pronounced it like that lol, even izone as well before i realised you dont pronounce it like that
Hybe acquired 100% of Be:lift Labs, whereas it used to be owned 48% Hybe and 52% CJ&ENM (Mnet). When Hybe acquired all the shares from Be:lift Labs, they lost the relationship with Mnet. BUT! Mnet had the I-Land trademark. So I-Land was Mnet's doing, not Hybe's. Hence I-Land being moved to Wakeone with Wakeone contestants and trainees, since Wakeone is an Mnet Label. Hybe had to create a new show, R U Next, to create the next Be:lift Labs girl group and aired on MBC.
@@goldyd144 I wonder if all the duplicate challenge songs were an attempt to poke at Hybe and RUNext? 🤔
@@Maria-uv9pd I don't think so. There were duplicate challenge songs in Girls Planet and Boys Planet as well. It's just a thing these shows tend to do, as it demonstrates how well contestants do in certain positions.
yooooo thank you, this clarifies so much
This comment needs to be pinned for clarity!
They aired it on JTBC
I think IZNA isn't going to be explicitly girl crush. If the songs are anything like what the original songs they performed during the show (IWALY, Drip, Fake It, and Final Love Song), it's probably going to be closer to a female empowerment concept of some sort.
I think they will be more teen crush
which is what most girl groups are doing sadly because most idols nower days are minors
honestly good thatll fit the members even more
It seems like a hybrid between the elegant and girl crush concept, which is kind of like teen crush but also not at the same time
People forget Teddy gonna debut his own GG ?
The dedut group is good tbh. It's one of the better survival shows honestly.
Well ..yes cuz it was pre picked as in like they had their faves mostly from the beginning I'm not mad just disappointed
@@mehdihouoiry7560 Yh they literally only gave storylines for the contestants they wanted to debut so we were forced to like the ones the producers liked when contestants like Minsol, Yui, Juwon, Soul, Jiwon and Yuju would have been just as popular if they had a good edit and a storyline
@@mehdihouoiry7560 well its kpop survival show there is no way it'll be 100% fair. Moreover it's a survival show some dissatisfaction and disappointed is expected. Not every participate will debut. Yh fuko one was sad but it was pretty expected. She was not many ppls one pick also most of the time she was given support role. She was not really main focus. And in survival show talent most of the time doesn't bring shit, the story mnet play, the more focus you get determines you chance you debut
@@layla-vb5no this is a survival show. Y’all should of known what you were getting yourselves into when you decided to watch. I’ve seen way worse survival shows than iland2. Infact this is one of the best survival show final line ups I’ve seen in a while. At the end of the day people are not gonna make it. There’s like a 10 % chance that all your favourite picks would debut .
@@fatimasummaray784 Yh ik not everyone's gonna make it but in a lot of other survival shows there are way more contestants so obviously they can't focus on everyone but I land only has 24 contestants. I like the lineup I'm just saying some of them I didn't even hear from until they were eliminated.
While I don’t think the show rigged the final lineup, I do think there were a lot of unfair judgements that took place during Part 1. Overall, though, I’m happy with the results and looking forward to izna’s debut.
@@rymia I wish there were some way to get the complete, unedited feedback from the judges. I think that their scores, etc. might have made more sense with that context, but the show producers edited the feedback to further whatever storyline they desired.
I-land 1 was the same , the people that debuted were all in I-land and the debut members got the most screentime
ugh, really? that annoys me
I mean if you went to the ground you wouldn't be considered for debut which was the whole point, so I think the the screen time was pretty fair for the most part.
Sunoo and Ni-Ki practically lived in the Ground yet debuted
@@_Wonnielvrs they went up and down, but that happened to sarang and jiyoon too
@@fayyeh3847 Sunoo and Ni-Ki went into I-Land once and went back down to the Ground and later in the finals they officially made it into I-Land
I don’t think it was unfair, except for Fuko’s case. I feel like those who debuted were most ready as artists. Others were not
same!
The only unfair eliminations imo are Yui's and fuko's
@@r_foxyYui's wasn't unfair because it was decided by votes from fans. I would also add Yuiko's elimination as unfair
@@thurayyahadi6101 i say unfair by the fans, bcs yui was literally a amazing rapper and dancer but ppl slept on her and didnt vote for her while gyuri who didnt even stand out once went in
Fuko failed to do the easy rapping that was required from her and I'm sure that affected how the fans and producers thought of her. It definitely disappointed me.
I-Land 2 is a show I refused to watch specifically because every contestant was so endearing and strong in their own way. There was NO WAY everyone would be happy with the lineup because EVERY CONTESTANT WAS DESERVING TO DEBUT IN THE FINALE. EACH ONE. You can’t ask for a better set of finalists, but at the same time, you’re doomed to always have people mourning what could have been bc everyone was too good for their own good….
Just saying after reading the title- iland2 lineup is as ALMOST as good as it can be!
FUKO YOU WILL BE MISSED
@@PlanetMinjae that's true☹️
WHY CHOI SOUL IS SO UNDERESTIMATED ????!
SHE WAS ONE OF THE BEST PERFORMER EVEN BEING SO YOUNG ??😭😭
Soul was one of
my original seven..
only two of my
favorites debuted,
Jungeun and Mai
@@davidjones7493 yaass mine too I love her ❤️😭
frr i loved herr
You should honestly cover RUNext, that’s honestly the most disgustingly rigged shows I’ve ever watched. Nothing tops it truly.
Obviously all survival shows to an extent is rigged but I’ve never had that bad of an experience to the point I still can’t even look at the debuting group. Obviously no hate to illit but due to how badly the show was handled I still can’t vibe with them at all. Normally after survival shows I can at least casually stan the group or such but with RUNEXT and illit it’s simply not possible.
i never watched it but maybe i will!
but honestly rn they are an amzing group no? all of them especially wonhee improved so much i was shocked. but moka still has to improve her singing
@@PlanetMinjae Hardcore, rigged! And very pushy and a lil inappropriate with underage contestant. Be warned
@@denisse3883 moka is a greta singer bro, hear her behind the scenes in the actual eopsidoes of runext shes rlly good, i can tag u, its jsut its obvious magnetic is way under her vocal range, she always did higher parts and in songs like my bag where there was a low range, she did 5 seconds
@@denisse3883 The concept imo was only made for Wonhee in mind but yh their songs are catchy. I was hoping for a more mature concept tho bcs thats what suits more of the members. Still love and support them and they are doing really well
It’s rig because Fuko did not make it? The line up is way better than most realty show.
I think you’ve properly articulated how I feel about the show. As someone who’ve watch the first I-Land, I feel disappointed in the fact that it lost its authenticity compared to the first season. The judges basically became mouthpieces for production, and the line up was predictable (but I do think the group has a lot of potential). But we’ll just have to wait and see.
Side Note: I remember someone saying that even if Fuko was added into the group she wouldn’t be utilized. Sadly, it makes sense since Jiyoon and Jungeun are probably gonna be the main vocalists. I love Fuko (I voted for her), and believe that she deserves more than a few seconds in a song.
We need Produce 101 Japan season 4 (hopefully girls again) and hopefully Fuko will debut there! LAPONE Entertainment is actually 70% owned by CJ ENM, btw
Nah they did Sujung dirty every time it was wild this was Chanelle(runext) levels of mental torture.
No cause Chanelle did nothing wrong and was the victim during the whole show from being forced to perform concepts she doesn’t fit so that she can be eliminated easily to mocking her when she explains why she doesn’t want to do that while Sujung lost the love of the fans because of what she did to Mai if that’s how she acts in front of the camera how does she act behind the camera also teamwork is very important in a group if Sujung can’t even do the bare minimum and say it to Mai’s face that she’s not on the right path than she needs to work on her teamwork
No Chanelle was much worse! I also think they used the American stereotype against her.
Sujung just got caught talking behind Mai's back and lost whatever fans she had. But even if that hadn't happened, I still think the producers would have eliminated her.
No cause she was a fan favourite coming in and would absolutely slay at any intense concepts and they threw her away anyway... like at least with Fuko and Gyuri you can kind of think, well they wouldn't suit the TBL vibes so they were edited out for that reason, but for the life of me I won't understand not wanting her in the group, literally the only reason was they preferred Koko, that's it...
@@_Wonnielvrs I don't know. If she felt comfortbale talking like that I am sure others did the same with talking crap.
RUNEXT was hell
i think the lineup was pretty predictable since before episode 6 😭 jeemin was obvious since the start, jungeun since drama, jiyoon since enl, saebi since panorama, mai since fls (they kept giving her wayyy high scores) koko since she made it to part 2 and sarang was really the only surprise to me (but a good one she’s my 1 pick)
i feel like koko was more of surprise than sarang, i could see a bit of favouritism from the judges for her in part 1 and the performances in part 2. Sarang was pretty predictable but with the average screentime koko had in part 1 i didn't think she would make it
Mai kind of suprised me too because her scores worsened during part 2 but definitely agree with the rest!
enl lol
Same, I was only surprised by Sarang because I though that she would be made the sacrificial lamb and become the member that despite her favouritism was not picked by the judges in an attempt to make the show look unbiased at the end. Genuinely though she would get the fallen angel storyline.
@@youdonotknowwhoiamlol It was either her or Fuko because Mnet's idea of a global group is a 1/3 ratio and Koko was locked from lovesick girls onwards. So the only route in which Fuko is picked is if the group is having a softer concept, which was unlikely given the blacklabel's proclivity for girl and teen crush
So if it rigged then, Go watch R U NEXT (show which formed ILLIT). It's more rigged than I-Land. Only 2 fan vote (1 of the member chose by fan vote left before debut) & 4 PD pick. At least I-Land give us 5 fan vote.
yes that's right and even the 2 PD picks were still ranked 6th and 7th by the votes
If one thing is bad, you can't defend it by saying the other thing is worse..
That’s not why we said it was rigged because that also happened in Sixteen not just R U NEXT we said that it was legally rigged because they announced last minute that all of the international votes were going to be removed so BeLift didn’t do anything illegal because they had made a public announcement of how the voting was going to work
Its not bad, people just sour Fuko dodnt make it. @@eiry4381
It's the fact that the end group literally only had 1 member picked by the public, and that is the member the most people are mad about being in the line-up is low key wild.
I will never not understand how everyone's upset that Fuko didn't debut (I am too) but nobody talks about YUJU. MY GIRL DESERVED TO DEBUT. IT WAS HER 3RD CHANCE- she was more than ready!
She just not get enough votes
I think because everyone already expected her not to debut, the judges didn't like her at all and she always had low ranks since IWALY. Fuko was more of a surprise because the whole show she always ranked in the first 6 positions, the only time she didn't was in the finals where she ranked 8th
my thoughts on the "riggory" of i land 2. this turned out way longer than i expected; i just couldn't stop ranting lol. just my opinions, don't come for me 🙏
tbh iland 2 was not as "rigged" as a lot of other survival shows. the final lineup is amazing and the girls made it who absolutely deserved to debut. i'm glad that most of them are older contestants. (honestly crazy to say that they're older, bc they're so young. but in this day and age they're on the older side for debuting idols 😭 i hate ageism in kpop but that's a discussion for another time)
i totally agree with the sentiment that some trainees got way more screen time and storyline compared to other trainees, and the original ground contestants never really stood a chance. but honestly this happens in every survival show, so i'm not too surprised. what i am salty about is the fact that the judges were definitely NOT objective at times. especially for the "rain on me" performances and the entirety of part 2 ngl. fuko, yuju, sujung, and juwon deserved so much better.
but other than that, all the eliminations in part 1 made sense. they simply weren't as talented as the remaining girls. other than yui, umji, and minsol- none of the girls in part 1 had the talent of the girls who made it to part 2. perhaps this made it "boring" but i'll take boring over ACTUAL "riggory" any day. i guarantee if contestants like lingling and yeeun made it to the finals or even debut, people would be up in arms about choosing visuals/popularity over talent and the show being rigged.
a good example of this is RUNext. i will genuinely never get over the fact that all of the most talented contestants didn't make it. to this day, people are still talking about bad boy unit and the other talented trainees. we don't need a shocking twist where the girl who looked frightened on stage makes it to the debut lineup (sorry wonhee. i love u girl.) we just want a talented lineup. one of the reasons you love mai is probably bc she's one of those less talented trainees who had a major improvement arc and shockingly made it to the final lineup. that's totally understandable, and i'm also very happy for mai. she deserves it as i said before. it's just that iland 2 (mostly) prioritized talent, and it's also what i'm looking for. i don't really care about the entertainment value of shocking twists as much.
anyway i'm adding fuko, sujung, yuju, and yui into my pocket of ex survival show contestants who didn't make it and i'm waiting for (along w jihyun, jiwoo, chanelle, jeongeun, yurina, and more 😭) i'll always miss u guys 💔
jihyun is debuting in a group called 4iren next year i believe!
i miss chanelle 😭😭😭
@@k-astrix9208 i heard the news!! i'm so happy for herr
I think the best part of Iland 2 is we know the group coming out of it is extremely well rounded. We all know there are conflicts of specialties if any of Gyuri, Yuju, or Fuko would've been included instead of Mai or Saebi. We have two for each main position as well as two visuals, two centers, and a distinct FOTG. We also still have a good group of leaders in Jungeun, Mai, and Jiyoon (even though I don't think she'd be interested). I think we have the best ground available that wouldn't cause conflict.
@@juliawright3930 you're so right! the group is very well balanced. personally, i love vocal heavy groups, but izna are perfect as they are.
fuko, gyuri, sujung, minsol, juwon, and yuju should just debut together
THIS NEEDS TO HAPPEN
And yui
Frrr! That would be such slay
That would be such a random constellation.. because some of them are shining more in cuter concepts and some more in tougher concepts
I love the girls, but they would not be able to have a concept that works for all of them and frankly the all deserve better than fading into the background of a concept they don't suit for 7 years, or even worse gaining no recognition because the group never get's itself a solid conceptual identity. I think Fuko, Gyuri and Minsol would all be great together in a lighter concept and Juwon, Sujung and Yuju (alongside Yui) could also become a fierce girl crush style group. Combine them with some of the RUN girls to beef up the numbers and we would have some winning groups on our hands
okay everybody is calling iland 2 rigged but i really think 'rigged' is a bit far fetched. there was def favoritism but like we literally got the best possible lineup to have gotten, we got jungeun, jeemin, jiyoon, koko who is in majority of peoples picks and we got sarang an all rounder who has a big one-pick fanbase. i think a lot of people just say its rigged because fuko didnt make it. we got to pick 5/7 members and people mainly complain about the pds pick mai and saebi... i love fuko but like her one pick fanbase just wasn't big enough and if she did make the group she would of been overshadowed by the other vocalists, i think she'll be better off in another company other than wakeone and in a group where she can shine more! of the recent survival shows id honestly say I-land 2 has been the least rigged but thats just my opinion :)
The most rigged part was the interim voting preview. Koko was in 8th during interim voting, but she jumped up to 4th after MNET showed her rank.
It's not like they haven't done that MANY times before...
They did the same with taerae and park hanbin in boys planet, taerae ended up debuting but sadly park hanbin didn't.
Be realistic here, if she wasn't shown she would have been the producer pick anyway. The only reason they did it was because it would reflect poorly on the show's editing and the fans if no Japanese girls made the top 5. Because otherwise they would have placed 6,7,8 by votes. It would not have changed the final line-up it just would have pissed people off and had them cry racism.
They did that for Sujung as well in Part 1 to increase her voting in the 1st Save Vote :)
@@juliawright3930 actually I think they tried to bring her vote down cause she was in the Top 6.
I'm used to watching competition shows. I know it's always rigged in some way. But the Rain on Me result made me so mad. Clearly, clearly not based on the performance ar all.
I also felt sooo bad for Fuko in the finale. They did her so dirty with the part assignment, and then a bonus member at the end on top of that?? (I'll admit Saebi was one of my least favorite but clearly loved by the judges.) Fuko's devastated face still sticks with me. She had every right to be angry.
even though i loved fuko i feel like its because they thought she didn't suit the overall concept of the group and when everyone was given a challenge in the last few rounds like jiyoon performing in a concept she was not used to do fuko was given the challenge to rap in english but then she just gave up on that chance and instead sarang took that opportunity. they probably chose saebi because she was more versatile and could perform in different concepts while being stable in every performance. mnet made it seem like fuko could only do concepts like after like performance. this was the same for gyuri. if they made fuko do a concept like the money performance and she did well, fuko probably could've debuted
i actually thought iland's rain on me was better if we are judging based on creativity tho. but dance skills wise, deifnitely ground
@@abbieie287 I agree. I think it is important for trainees to show versatility and I think they were looking for that in the end. I think how Sarang did well and fitted rapping and Fuko didn't keep trying and accepted the main vocal over the other hurt her. While Mai did well. I think If Fuko did something to show versatility or a surprise in the last few episodes especially that last song I strongly believe she would be in the group in place of Mai. I think the judges were going to stick with the ranking picked by voters.
@@denisse3883 I also agree on this. It is based on creativity and creativity for the Iland Rain on Me was not just pigeon-holed on dance. They "used" the stage as part of their performance and honestly that is enough to be a wow factor because they are thinking outside the box. PLUS their facial expressions went with the song. IF you watched the Ground Rain on Me they were continuously smiling throughout the whole performance. It lacked story it lacked expression. I think people really look over the creative aspect.Hands down Iland Rain on Me was great. How many performances in Iland 2 used something more than just the stage. I think having a creative challenge is a great category to add.
I wanna talk about this because I really like Fuko. Do you feel like Fuko is a better and more versatile vocalist than Jiyoon and Jungeun? I bawled when Fuko bawled, but no matter what having a couple main vocalists and a well rounded group is more important than anything. Fuko will debut somewhere, but the existence of Jiyoon and Jungeun made it impossible for her to be able to be in this group. I am interested in your perspective thought :)
I want a series where you could never tell who’s gonna be safe. The second those girls went to GROUND in the first episode, you knew they were done. That’s how it always is
Very rarely do those who do terrible in the beginning end up in the finale/final group. I understand why but there’s NEVER been a successful underdog story? Like I need examples
han chowon in p48 was an underdog, but mnet rigged the final votes so idk if we can take her case as an example...
kotoko from universe ticket? she wasn't doing too well in the beginning but then towards the final she started to do better
Kim Sohye from Produce 101 which formed I.O.I will be the biggest underdog story for me ever
Iz*One's Hyewon was at the bottom (F) in the beginning of p48 and ended up debuting
@@StLaRizz huening bahiyyih in girls planet was ranked quite low in korea at the start
As professionals, the producers evaluated whether they could demonstrate their talents as group members in the future.
The final line up is good, not everyones favorite will make it in the final line up, some people need to move on from their sourness cause whats done is done 😂.
IJBOL i could literally name 3-4 members of izna that can't even sing
THANK YOU SOO MUCH FOR TALKING ABOUT NANA. I was everyday defending her ass and trying to make people see her improvement, but it was already to late, the Cake performance already put a bad taste in people's mouths about her. She improved much in Bad Bay and Rain On Me I thought she would be an underdog, she didn't deserve to get eliminated, she was a better dancer in Rain On Me than Chaeeun and Yeeun, they could never make me hate you nana...
It was rigged in the sense of screentime and story line. They're main focus were Mai,Jiyoon,Jungeun,Jeemin, Sarang, Saebi,Fuko & Koko. The rest they didn't care much for or they turned them into a villain and had beef with some of the girlies. Honestly i think the elimination were fair because nana eunchae chaaeun yeeun jiwon and yuiko lacked talent I'm mad about that.
Fuko didn't get a story line and her screen time dissapearded towards the last episodes, probably why she didn't make it😭
@@yawnzzn1206 she did at first. The one who helped everyone out and was a good leader, after part 1 she didn't have anyone to help because everyone could help themselves and hold their own. Fuko had a good amount of screentime until part 2
Jeemin was bound to have the most screen time and Saebi bounced in popularity after the Panorama performance because of her "Wonyoung aura/vibes" people even started calling her mini Wonyoung
Mai didn’t really have a lot of screentime expecially in part two.She was known for her appearance and that’s where most of her screentime stems for and her leading the ground team but apart from that just crickets
@@rina_core i mean that was a reason why her fans "forgot" about her and tried to vote for other talented ones thinking she was safe
edit: i get your point now, it's just that i don't think she was a main character at all. maybe she was in part 1 but then mnet changed their minds and stop giving her screentime, i think the channel Soft 4 Taeng had a great analysis on this
Fuko shouldve debuted
I don’t understand this take… she was a monotonous performer, looked boring on stage and didn’t fit girl crush/ BLACKPINK concept at all
If she is going to debut she should debut in a group with a more delicate concept
@@mariasol1545say that to wonhee
@@mariasol1545 I don't think izna will have a blackpink concept, I think their songs are gonna be more like somi's (dumb dumb, xoxo, birthday) or like StayC (iwaly was very StayC coded imo)
@@lucky_ducky123What does this have to do with Wonhee?
@@mariasol1545there r girl who made the final line up that don’t do great in those concepts though? And how do y’all know the concept/
Did you finish Boys Planet? If so, I'd love to watch a retrospective on it analyzing where the contestants are now with ZB1, Evnne, One Pact, Ampers&one, Toz, TIOT, etc.
i did! i just wasnt making content back then but its my top candidate to make a retrospective on
@@PlanetMinjae hell yeah ❤️🔥
I-land 2 is the most fair line up i’ve seen stop acting like its rigged watch RUNext if you want rigged survival shows💀
its not just the lineup thats the problem its the shows inconsistent judgement criteria as well as favoritism and blatant sabotaging that makes iland 2 rigged.
@@JustinCBesin nah cry the votes were fair and all deserving debuted + vote for your picks next time🤣
@@nabi6261 did i say something about the votes? understand the comment before replying next time
@@nabi6261 Help its like you didn’t even watch the video, even if your picks debuted you can see the riggory of I-land 2, stop hating on anyone criticizing the show or the lineup cause its true on how much they sabotaged the contestants and the favoristism they had rumors the chances of other contestants, ive literally seen you in other youtube comments hating on other contestants and people criticizing the show, maybe you should ask them why they think that why and hear then out instead of immediately hating and getting mad, you literally did the same for the creator of this vid…. Like you literally called him insecure just cause he said izone brainrot, thats not something mean to the group , even many people think that it sounds like iz*one cause they are from the same company , you literally were mean to him just cause he called I-land 2 rigged….
@@josealexanderocampo3805 stop attacking the members just because your picks didn’t debut salty😂😂😂😂
Personally I thought most I-Land 2 trainees were mediocre at best, so it was obvious that the few, slightly more talented ones were gonna debut. It also didn't help that there were only 24 contestants, again, most of whom just felt like girls who had pretty faces and some singing/dancing ability. I think both of these factors contributed to the show being boring overall and the final lineup ended up being very predictable. I just hope IZNA doesn't end up in the Black Label dungeon like Somi, or that WakeOne manages their career sloppily like Kep1er.
I think Izna has a well balanced final group. I feel like overall it is a very talented dancing group with high level of stage presence. The overall vocal level averages to a similar level to other 5th gen group with much room for improvement. The rapping skill is also very encouraging but also it does not take much perceived rapping skill to be able to perform it well. The group overall fills the holes other members have perfectly and this group has a good chance to be successful even without the flopping Wakeone causes.
I think Gyuri should’ve been the underdog of the show, she got robbed by Mnet
I don’t agree, she was boring like fuko. Saebi fits the maknae image a lot better
At the end of the day it’s marketing and who brings in more fans
@@mariasol1545fuko and gyuri aren’t boring,expecially with how fuko managed the ground team and her overall leading qualities.She was the only true leader of Iland that could have molded the groups chemistry and overall vibe.Not only that but she was like a mix of jiyoon and jungeuns vocals.I also kinda dislike this whole maknae image in kpop and how some idols have made it their whole selling point.Its really just being the youngest
gyuri would've turned into wonhee from r u next and i'm so happy they didn't shove her down our throats, i honestly think she is talented but she's too young to debut and needs more training and also it's best for her to debut at a healthier age
@@Manuelita0001 girl what? Wonhee and Gyuri is def not on the same level, Wonhee is a better vocalist but Gyuri beats her as an performer
@@Manuelita0001 yeah no....gyuri was actually talented from the very beginning had stage presence, decent dance and not too mention a good vocal and she only IMPROVED even more during part 2...don't every try to compared gyuri to her.
Iland2 was such a vibe tbh. It had amazing performances & challenges. The only bad part was the favoritism from the producers
It’s biased imo. When you have judges who judge on potential over current talent mixed with judges who will base purely on performances and current talent the judging criteria isn’t consistent.
I’m looking at YOU Miss Monika..
@@nayshine7875 YES! Monika got on my nerves most of the show, tbh. I really hope it's the editing cutting stuff out, because she seemed very inconsistent in her criteria most of the show.
I don't think the show did Fuko dirty. She got a lot of screentime throughout the show but by the end she wasn't just everyone's first pick. She's talented yes, but by Part 2 of the show, we can see that she just doesn't add any versatility to the debut group especially when we already have people like jungeun and jiyoon as vocalist, jeemin and saebi as center, koko (and sarang) as rappers, mai with the insane visual (she's a great dancer too) and jungeun is a great leader ( as shown by the end when her groupmates in fake it chose her over fuko). It's sad that she did not debut but so did the other contestants, everyone is destined to not debut in a survival show.
I had never seen judges so clearly biased (the runext ones are a close second) both against and in favor of trainees. Aren't judges in survival shows supposed to be unbiased mentors/coaches? Why are they acting like fans and antis of these girls lately? Like that ain't your job dog 😭
idk why would be cool to have a show where they add on random idol to the lineup, and the remaining trainee who haven't been chosen will have to perform their audition song. the trainee who improved the most since the start of the show gets into the group.
Are you talking about something like Kara Project?
Mai was my 1-pick as well, very sad that Fuko didn't debut (and Lingling in pt1) but at the same time I think they are debut ready for a different group. Mai will always be a bias of mine even if I don't end up liking their debut (or maybe I will).
Yes, that Rain on Me mission gave me so much confusion. They really made me 🤔 with that decision
Cry ilanders were better
@@nabi6261 in your delusions maybe
I feel like for me, i can't take anyone too serious if one calls any of the people in the final group "rigged" per say. For me, you can't take a double standard kind of approach and toss around the word "rigged" without understanding the whole scenario for iland (not just at face value thru assumptions, but also understanding what perspective and understanding did mnet want their final group to have) cuz at the end of the day, this shit is their business regardless of our votes.
I personally don't think anyone was "rigged" into the group as each girl has shown herself enough to be provided a reason why they should be in this group! Whether it be thru raw talent/skill, positive attitude/personality or by just being a unremarkable kind of likable, all of them absolutely deserved to be debuted :DD
i'd defintiely love a "riggory of" video abt produce 48, produce 101, or even idol school. so glad these videos exist because i love the drag detective's videos too
i think ground cleared the unit battle. Jiyoon and minsol did better. Koko carried where yuna ,yui and sarang cleared them. Rain on me did better than iland but they couldn't lose 9 of them because it would leave 3 and jungeun ,koko, saebi and mai are 4 it's better to have an extra 2 then losing one person.
In the position battle they knew koko was more popular than saebi when though koko did better as a main dancer. Sarang beating jeemin made sense but i can't help think she would picked even if jeemin did better because jeemin would bag the votes same with yuju vs mai.
--Bruh the "CAKE" Speculation is mad crazy as it is really scary if true.
-- As an ENTP i really got bored tbh. When I was at the 10th episode, I stopped because IDC who debuts since it looks so predictable I predicted 6 members (suprised that mai was added).
- IWALY sounds good, FAKE IT sounds good, FINAL LOVE SONG sounds addictive. If IZNA debuted with this sounds it sounds so serene, almost like a farewell song, it sounds like departing yet love. IF IZNA debut with these concepts I would listen all day. If they did a girl crush concept, I would rather stream ILAND 2 songs LMAO
-- i already predicted FUKO will not debut, when she was assigned on DRIP, she could have rap but didn't take it. But I really want to see other sides of her yet it I feel short as I crave more.,
-- We have seen FUKO and JUNGEUN duet but none of that sparks. We have seen FUKO and JIYOON duet yet none are interested nor talking about it. Lastly, when JUNGEUN and JIYOON duet almost everybody tuned and talk about it regardless of their bias. And that's what I thought, huh.... FUKO would not maybe make it since she dissapears in each episode as I watch.'
-- FUN FACT: before debuting SAEBI, SARANG, FUKO, JUNGEUN, AND JIWON have deep bond when they were training for years to debut. The avenger squad is also close to each other before debuting. JIYOON, JUNGEUN, JEEMIN AND MAI. MAI and FUKO were close with most of grounder trainees who did not debut sadly. While KOKO became the loved member as soon as the ILAND program start. LMAO
What I meant is that, all members support each other and close to each other so their chemistry will keep them strong even flooded with hate train. The OT7 Lineup is fine with me.
I keep rewatching RYU SARANG voice cracks, sounds entertaining btw.
yuju was my number one and you will be missed 😔 😔
Oh yes somebody who cares for Yuju 🤧
I’m still gobsmacked that Fuko didn’t make it; like I truly wasn’t worried at all about her debuting because I was so sure it was happening. I hope WAKEONE doesn’t send her to a third survival show and just debuts her already; she’s worked so hard 💔
IMO I think this show was not rigged but obviously it involved favouritism ^
I think they put some people in iland or ground “undeservingly” just to make the flow of people between iland and ground because it’s more “dramatic”. If they judged fairly 90% of contestants wouldn’t be changing at all
cut the crap, there was favouritism ofc, but they kinda need a group who can do smt of everything, they also need a cohesive group, they can't have people who can't do cute concept alongside people who can only do cute concept. This does not make it rigged; rigged is that "group" (illflop) some company founded by a couple of dement who ran away from an asilum (be lift), that is rigged and 3 out of 5 memebers are a good add to another group but not a group (Minju and Yunah are the only 2 I save) Iroha and moka can only dance, Wonhee can, I mean... be cute I guess, not on stage since she seems a cat on the highway. ANYWAYYYYYY........ they are rigged in, but this line up is actually good tho
Please there was no rigging, seriously.... Lingling s elimination was a shock but, the program was successful
If you replace the show name and trainee names you could pretty much make this exact same video about any other survival show.
That’s…the point? It’s part of a video series on kpop survival shows..
@@sindhu7582 my point is that the storylines and rigging methods are the same in almost every survival show
@@Stay.2022. I mean sure similar edits are reused, but I wouldn’t say it’s entirely the same. If this was the 8th season of produce or something, I’d feel like it was repetitive, but the structure of each survival show varies so I’d say it’s valid to point it out. And excuse me if I’m wrong but from my pov, you seem to be somewhat irritated that the title calls the show “rigged” and you’re pointing out that it’s not more rigged than usual. But what I’m trying to say is that this video isn’t trying to dismiss the show or criticize the line up, but it acknowledges that all survival shows are somewhat unfair, and is just acknowledging the specific instances of favoritism or unfairness in the show. The “riggory “ part just comes from the fact that this video series is a parody of another CZcamsr’s series
you need to see Iland season 1. it was hunger games : idol edition
I dont know if you watched it already, But you NEED to watch runext, and give opinions, cause till now i have trauma
When the judge said scores based on creativity only then I instantly think the ground must win and then BOOM!
Mai is also my bias I love her character sm 🫶🏼
honestly glad that fuko, gyuri and yuju didn't debut under wakeone but I still would've liked them, especially yuju, in the lineup
but fuko is too "old" to debut considered by all peopoe
@@CrownPrinceEdvin sadly yea, but there’s still chances she can debut. I saw someone on twitter saying she’s under a company, don’t know if it’s still wakeone tho (hopefully not)
with the rain on me performance, iland did better imo because of the story telling, while it was unique dance wise i really enjoyed how empowering the ilanders team felt
6:15
thisss i knew from the moment both grounders team won that they would def make i-landers win . . .
and my thoughts were even more hammered in when watching the storyline they had given ilanders
as a dancer i absolutely loved grounders choreo sujung is so talented , and u could tell from the feedback they gave that they were scraping the bottom of the barrel to figure out what they should try and critique … it rly annoyed me how things played out u could tell mnet didn’t want a big switch of iland and grounders right before iwaly
The fact that Nana improved her vocals really good in like 2 weeks and still got eliminated... like what!?
And also Yuju, Fuko and Gyuri carried like every preformance they were in and didn't get into the group. Make no sense
Imo I-lander's rain on me performance was much better
When is a survival show not rigged 😭
Also WAKEONE?? Oh no.. please be fair to all the members 😭
Iland is a name that is Mnet's property, Hybe confirmed before R U next aired that the second group from be lift won't go trough I-land since them and Mnet couldn't come to an agreement; Hybe then went by to create their survival, while Hybe found someone who wanted a free group to have something to air
13:06 and you started dropping great summary lines, i wholeheartedly agree.
Idk about y'all but somehow most my faves from episode 1 got to debut so im not complaining
10:10 wasn’t Ling Ling also in I-land?
(edited cuz i messed up) you're right. it should say ling ling instead of juwon
jungeun debut as number 1 that's all i could ask for. JUNGUNIE! They did have an underdog trainee it was MAI.
lord yall just call anything rigging
well because it is.... not in terms of voting maybe but when it comes to scoring and favoritism?
@@JustinCBesin but that’s not what rigging is lmfao , you can say unfair but it is not rigging thank you
@@aesglow when a situation is made to be unfair its called rigged. And i-land 2 was made so that their favorite trainees could debut while the others were added as fillers. Doesn't that make it rigged?
@@JustinCBesin rigging is for example changing the votes that are established. regardless of their screentime on the show, at the end of it all it was up to us to vote. you guys always call something unfair because it’s mnet but ig nothing will be fair when our favs don’t do their best
@@aesglow girl-
What does it mean to rig something?
1. : to manipulate or control usually by deceptive or dishonest means.
Your definition of rigged is only a part of the true definition. Unfair practices are considered rigging.
While I don't think I-land 2 was rigged, I do think it was quite unfair how some very talented girls were not shown much time! Yuju, Yui, and Gyuri, do not get me started of Gyuri. She was so talented and carried her group many times. "After Like" with Fuko, "Like ooh ah ooh ah". "4 walls" as well. All though I agree Fuko and Sarang did well, Gyuri just stood out so well to me but no watcher acknowledged it because Mnet never gave her screen time till the end of the show to make a plot. But everyone already had their first picks and no one would change, would they. Gyuri was an amazing teammate and while there was a part where she was being selfish, like everyone else, she gave up parts for the girls who didn't get many lines. Mnet NEVER gave Kim Gyuri screen time and I was really disappointed because I was with her since the first episode and I always saw she tried her hardest and did her best but never got the recognition she deserved.
i wanted Kim Gyuri to win, but unfortunately it didn't happen 😭
I knew this show was going extremely south after the scores of juwon and sujung in the first mission in part2 (I am the best) and in my opinion the worst case of riggory was the second mission.
Pd: Imo you should watch iland1 if you haven’t already since I think that it is actually a good SS; and Son Juwon deserved so much better 😢
I think there were also some really big moments of viewer manipulation. For example I think Mnet played in Everyone's faces about Jungeun. People were convinced that they didn't like her, but really I think Mnet tricked people into Panic voting for her. For example, in all of part 2 they consistently gave her low scores and had the judges give her harsh and uncalled for feedback. This obviously made people upset (boosted ratings) and made people panic vote (giving Mnet major ad revenue). Even though her storyline in the episodes continued to be positive, show her growth and potray her well. I.e. Mnet gave her low scores and improved her persona increasing her vote counts even more. It is was really evident from the jump that Mnet liked her, they ranked her #1, but more importantly in the beginning they consistently gave her as many parts as possible. This was evident in Final Love Song (however, she was definitely suited for the main vocal position because that positon was more like main vocal+lead dancer), but really really obvious in Drama, where they sidelined a stronger vocalist in Jiyoon to make Jungeun Shine. I also think when there evil editing strategy for Jiyoon failed, they realized that they could use the juyoonz "beef" to push the storylines of both girls and once again drive up voting and ratings.
I thought they were trying to drop Jungeun cause korean opinion of her was low.
...but you have to admit that Jungeun deserved to debut and everyone thought she was the Heeseung of the show at first. I don't necessarily think they would choose her as a producer pick though...so I'm glad that if it was manipulation, mnet did that to save a talented trainee. Cause if they hadn't done that, then people might not have prioritized her enough to debut.
Overall the lineup is fine imo and I LOVE SAEBI, but my actual top 3 picks were the only 3 that didn't make it in at the end. Hoping Fuko, Gyuri, Yeeun, and Yuju debut! Also, PLEASE do videos on past survival shows that'd be so fun
Wait- u think Saebi fits a dark/girl crush concept? I don’t think so. She didn’t do good in money I’m not sure how she would fit in a Teddy style gg.
9:52 I think you accidentally put Juwon instead of Lingling
well we have to agree one thing. Iland 1 is tooo cruel. but it produce a good group
I think the final lineup is completely fine. All the contestants in part 2 were strong trainees that were ready to debut, it was just a matter of who got more popular at the end.
The only rigged part may be fuko. But we all know that 💁♀️
Honestly this was way better than R U Next and Iland and since it was ran by Mnet who has experience in survival shows. You can see how much they have learned from their past. I would rephrase this the "bias" of I-Land 2, but I am assuming riggory is to get more viewers. Tbf I think in order to have a successful group for a continuing debut is to have a few concepts in mind (which they did) and with that you need those who can fit the role/concept well. I think the dynamic of having some extremely strong contestants to those who are not as strong may be due to lack of ready to go contestants, interest in seeing how they do, and possibly already filtered who they wanted out beforehand (before they even come on the show). So tbf they already have a bias because they are basing it on concepts that we were not directly presented but the producers were presented with. I think others forget the producers are probably edited too and in most cases generally get the heavy criticism for their critique. I think this show is satisfying in a sense there is common agreement of who should debut. I don't think it is a bad thing to have an idea who is mostly going to debut by the 9th episode especially with the low number of trainees debuting. If there were more one picks Fuko would be there instead of Mai. Yui would be there instead of Juwon. I think Juwon was let down by producers in part 2 and the viewers overall in the show. I think Yuju played it safe and by the time she was improving and standing out it was too late to comeback. I think Sujung had it the worst overall. I would be frusterated if I were her. Gyuri did not fit the concept, but will only benefit from the show.
still mad yuju didnt get a rap part in the finals
Again, these are tv shows... Although marketed as reality, it is still made by producers just like ALL other reality shows. The ending and the story are always predetermined and that really shouldn't surprise anyone.
minsol was soo good and i was so sad when she was eliminated.
i loved choi soul too because she obviously has talent but one thing that i noticed is that she often gets overshadowed and she's not really impactful.
I made tik toks since the first episode came out lmao and no one listened like hello yall are we not used to the rigging by now?
cool analysis. I have watched this show while watching Girls on fire, survival of a vocal focus-kpop group with ex dream academy / katseye nayoung (22) ex produce 101 hwang se young (29) ; and makemate 1 bg of kbs with ex boys planet han yu seop, ex niziu 2 miraku. this 2 later shows didn't have a large youtube impact.
They did some against normal criticism of this type of show :artistst actually creating their performances, a good proportion of adult-age participants, isnt just luck based (like universe ticket) good artist can be saved from elimination, public voting isnt the only metric. Almost no evil editing, low in story line / more objective type of evaluations specialy with girls on fire. But made me think that I really like to know how judges actually evaluate.
but that may the lack of "DRAMA" / storylines could a reason for lack of popularity?
there where some outstanding artistic performances in girls on fire, majority of the initial 25 could " beat" the vocals girls of i land 2. but it dosent make one watch 10 episodes due repetitive format of this type of shows. Unfortunally I think that apealling for the human side , the easier way, with cheap melodrama may be the key of the success of reality shows.
I asked for another more seasoned kpop fan by photos of candidates who you think will be finalists in ma1 ? when there where 20-16 they got 5 of the final 7 right.
not that the finalist are "just visuals" they are talented boys and young men.
but the show did a promotion on the voting app , that you had to op in, not advertised on the tv show, that from episode 3 or 4 until episode 8 if you guessed right the final line up would got get a cash prize of around 5k usd. So people could be persuaded to vote not on their favs, but who "will make it".
it really make me think who actually can win, I usually like this type of show to see the development of the candidates so underdogs / high skilled are my favs.
this show in a sense did opposite of boys planet, favor in screentime a lot of the non korean participants from episode 3 onward and in the youtube extra content.
the top 3 finalist where non korean.
This is probably a controversial opinion, maybe, but Produce 101 Japan is better than these Korean survival shows. Praying season 4 gets announced soon and Fuko joins and gets a HUGE amount of v o tes. Become the next Sakurai Miu, hahaha
If only they let us watch episodes besides during the live. I had to download the episodes off of reddit and I could only watch it once and then I was locked out. I can't watch episodes live because it airs when I work.
You need to watch ILAND as well. The evil editing, and the push certain members recieved was really frustrating at times. Though i supported most of the ones who were pushed as i deemed them pretty talented but it was a waste of potential for the rest who were just shown as intimidated as they were from the ground and the bias is reflected in the final rankign as well with original grounders basically missing from the podium completely.
And this is coming from a hardcore Engene.
I am CONVINCED they chose a lot of the constants who were eliminated in part 1 purely for the fact that they knew they weren't very good, and would not be voted. mnet definitely partake in legal rigging. They did it a lot with BP, selective audiences (I.e more Koreans over international fans)
Ugh I’m still so sad about Fuko, I really hope she is able to debut soon.
I heavily disagree with your take that ground did better than iland in the choreography rain on me mission, sujung was way too focused on translating the literal meaning of the song to choreography and completely missed the meaning of the song, something that Mai’s choreography did better
You may be right about
the scoring being more
for manipulating the
story line.. Jungeun’s
85 for “Lovesick Girls”
and 80 for “If I Were
a Boy” was total horse
c r a p.
Did they do that to
influence I-mates vote?
Were they testing Jung-
eun? No explanation
was given for the low
scores. I’ll despise these
judges to the grave
The main grounders who showed the most potential/talent to me are the following girls from most to least yui, umji/minsoo, choi soul, yuiko
Love the brat inspired keywords cards!!
I agree the GROUND team in Rain On Me was so much better! people are delusional to think that the producers didn't have anything to do with the results T n T
It’s not EnhyPHen but EnhyPen
honestly ilander creative unit was better because it had a story and grounders had less people so it felt empty
I am so happy you mentioned minsol
Fuko in her K era 😔 Hopefully it's like &TEAM which probably won't happen. But seeing that they did add a surprise member I think it may happen? It probably won't.
fuko and yuju should have debuted instead of Sarang and Mai imo
To be fair Sarang is better dancer than all of them plus she’s more versatile and has better stage presence. With Jiyoon, Jungeun and Koko already in the lineup. It’s more understandable to add Sarang rather than Fuko and Yuju. I’m sorry but what role would Fuko play? What more would Fuko and Yuju add to the group? Sarang brings the Chinese market, she’s also an allrounder with a unique vocal tone and can pull off whatever concept🚶♀️
I would honestly rather have Fuko than Saebi😭
Before I got to 0:44 I was like wait a second that video title sounds familiar 🤭
The point about the iland creative team winning does Nat make any sense. The Mai vs Sujung story had not even started and the moment which it happens was not even filmed yet since part 2 had not started by the time this episode aired. The reason that they had iland team win was because they wanted to keep the idea that iland was the “good” group of trainees. And we can see that in the actual scores. It was more that they preferred Sarang/Yui and Jiyoon winning over Sujung loosing. And that is specifically Sujung loosing, not the team as they were criticized over the creative aspects, not execution, which the show shows viewers was almost purely Sujung’s doing. It was about their dislike of Sujung, but not anything about liking Mai.
for me personally, i think they didnt want the ground team to win all three challenges so they inflated some of Mai's team score for them to win. like they know that their favorite trainees would be in jeopardy if 9 trainees were going to be sent to the ground. and it was also confusing how iland team won when it wasnt even THAT good compared to ground like the only thing that was good was the intro. and like how ground scores were very little compared to iland
@@JustinCBesin I actually think the only thing that was good was Lingling’s part. Like she is the reason why the “storyline” worked because her facial expressions were great. But I do agree that they just didn’t want 3 ground to win. The only girls that did well in iland were the ones that stayed in iland. Also they didn’t really have to work that hard to inflate the scores since the scores would be unbalanced given the difference in the number of people. I also think they made Chaeeun’s score lower than it should have been and made Soul and Yeeun higher than they should have been to get the outcome they wanted.
I very much disagreed on the whole unit battle commentary cause it's creatively unit not choreo unit and it just doesn't revolved on the choreo it's in the creativity and iland has more unique and creative overall choreography while ground having creative wow factors but overall bland performance and execution hence why they didn't won and similarly why ground won over iland vocal unit is that the their vocals was tie to tie but Ground won because of their emotional quality being more than Ilands emotional quality
i actually thought 7 was harder to choreograph haha