The horrors of ‘initiation’ practices at Stellenbosch’s Wilgenhof house
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2024
- News24s expose revealed disturbing information about Stellenbosch Universities oldest men’s residence, Wilgenhof.
A recent surprise inspection was conducted at the residence after an anonymous tipoff, which revealed the nightmarish practices of Wilgenhof.
The residence has a so-called ‘disciplinary committee’ called the Nagligte, that are responsible for untold abuse as part of initiation practices.
Lester Kiewit speaks with Paul Joubert, who four years ago wrote an article detailing the horrific initiation rituals performed on students at Wilgenhof residence at Stellenbosch University.
FILE: Stellenbosch University's Wilgenhof residence. Picture: Hans-Peter Klink via Wikimedia Commons
This interview originally aired on 26 January 2024.
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This has been carrying on forever, at least since my first year in 1973. And it's all the residences, not just Wilgenhof.
I was about to ask if it's at all residences.
I was in Wilgenhof in the 80s. Pretty awful experience for a first year student to say the least. What I found disappointing then is that the older students, when asked why they bullied the first year students, the response was “they did it to us, so we do that to them’. Couldn’t believe it is still happening today.
This garbage is still going on ? We were trying to end it at UCT in the 70s..
I feel the same about STAG parties 😡
This must be stopped, it's going too too far!!
Poor interview in general. Generalising what happended in one rogue residence to a whole institution. Poor journalism.
No it is not poor journalism. If it happened to "one roque" residence that is one to many. Nobody really knows what is happening there with the socalled initiations and why should it be necessary, I do not see the point. So every employer could do this to his employees?
You clearly didn't go to a Stellenbosch res.
And these allegations are vague! Scared, scary..... ?!
@@gustabeumer688Did you ever read about initiation of,Xhosa children at ten? Now that is hectic in comparison with Wilgerhuis.
Ahh you're a loser. Stick to the topic
I find this actually quiet hypocritical, children are allowed to watch disney and so on, have internet access, what do you think they watch and are exposed to? This is the basis of all the actions in intiation practises, it's what guides the seniors.
Suggest censorship of content of movies, series, ect and then suddenly everybody is "up in arms", people ridiculed & demonized for even suggesting censorship.
Let's be honest and get real.
This is from old Afrikaans men who couldn’t show their sexuality so did it to kids not the internet !!!!!
@@shanemeissenheimer586 nope these are power hungry people who create and joined secret societies for the benefit of control power financial gain and success as these secret societies on universities dont end at university upon graduation, these men and women continue on in these sick societies even long after graduation. This includes masonry and other satanic ritualistic abuse type secret occultic societies... And people from every race and creed belong to them
In the seventies their was a clandestine male grouping, made up of a dozen or so of the most 'catchy', most popular young men on campus, who named themselves the 'Heartbreak Club'. Their 'game' was to compete among themselves to see who could 'feit' the prettiest first years into falling in love with them, and then to break their hearts by denying their very existence, immediately after they had 'deflowered' them. There are stories of many a life being destroyed because of it, but I believe the university eventually got their hand on it, after they had no option...
Sick
Still conjures jollies. ?
Respect is earned, not forced
Many ways to achieve the goal but must not inflict bodily harm or dehumanize. There must be parameters
Are we now talking of initiation where circumcising takes place in indigenous peoples of this country where many children died?
@@petrusesterhuyzen20877
@@elbiedorman1266 Way different topic. You people are a bore
They must stop this initiation nonsense Those students are there to study at a cost paid by parents and bursaries There is limits!!!!
This is absolutely disgusting and satanic and action should be taken against the perpetrators it doesn’t say much about Stellenbosch university and how did they get away with this behaviour for so very long
Obviously has the blessing of the uni. Management if its been going on since the 1950's...sick!!!😨
So "scaring" the first years is brutal abuse? 😂😂😂
Snowflakes
@@MarnusvdMerwe so being part of an initiation makes you a man? Dodgy dude you are.
Getting jollies from other’s discomfort is indicative of character
Childish stuff really 🃏
@@MarnusvdMerwe You sound like someone who couldnt afford college
@@frank9883 two Master degrees 👍
We had initiation at Pretoria Univ res in the 1960's. It was tough, but good and clean. But stellenbosch obviously don't have such good morals.
This is a witch Hunt . This res is targeted as a punishment for the student body that it houses and the past bastions of The broederbond that is associated with it . its basicly a program of cultural eradication ..... It's a storm in a very small teacup and has nothing to do with morals .
what do you mean good and clean, what were you actually doing there?
Was in Dagbreek 1997-98. Abuse was rampant. And it was worse at Wilgenhof. Not in the least surprised that in 26+ years down the line nothing has changed. Sad.
These people should grow up and stop this nonsense.
Clearly Management isn't bothered...pity cos I thought it was prestigious university.
Just rite of passage for elites and elite wannabes..
Shame on you Stellenbosch uni management!!
But this is occult initiation to some level
Good heavens!!!!!!!!
Do that place practice mid eval ?????
Parent send your children to study and be educated!!!!!!!
This practices should be stopped in theie tracts.
It is demeaning!!!!!
This evil behavior needs to be uprooted it is happening even in High Schools Potch boys for example
do students get to choose their res?..
Yes, but we never got to give consent to participate in the initiation. You are 18-years-old and terrified. You don't get to pick.
Yes, but we never got to give consent to participate in the initiation. You are 18-years-old and terrified. You don't get to pick.
Yes, but we never got to give consent to participate in the initiation. You are 18-years-old and terrified. You don't get to pick.
No,but you can have preferences.
No. You get to choose a couple of options as your preferences. Otherwise, you get what you get. It may or may not be what you asked for.
Nothing is ever going to stop this! Wake up people!
Not forl th faint of hearlt
This is not initiation, this is a cult. Those thieves from Steinhoff, Markus Jooste and kie also stayed there.
My point exactly!! It is witchcraft and occultism
Initiation as in indigenous people on homelands where many children dies of exposure to climate and circumcised of sexual organs?
"Homelands" were disbanded decades ago, elbie. Kindly join us in 2024.
There are types of these practises in multipul organizations, especially large groups of a gender group.
It must not be humiliating and personal. In the military, the first two weeks of intial training a "similar" practise to achieve conformty, similar behaviour and co-operation, called basic training which lasts at least 3 months.
I was subject to it one day only and never again.
This is some "Lord of the Flies" shit. People in authority have a responsibility to see to it that such evil is not perpetuated. There were similar practices in the hostel at Paarl Gymnasium High School. Giving young children over into the hands of other older kids to be abused like this is un-Christian. Parents and those running the institutions should know better than to allow such evil to continue. My orientation in Germany at Tubingen University consisted of the older students taking us through the town, showing us the best and most beautiful spots, and showing us the best places to drink delicious German beers. These barbaric Pagan practices should be stopped.
Let’s just make it explicitly clear that this takes place in some of Stellenbosch University’s MEN’s residences. It’s part of the MEN’s res culture and history. Not the ladies residences. Nobody seems to report on this detail, which matters. This kind of toxic initiation behavior is taking place at MEN’s residences. It’s the abhorrent treatment of first year MEN by that MEN’s residence’s senior MEN. Nobody reports that the ladies residences are the perfect role models of how you can welcome your new first years into a wonderful culture of respect, academic excellence, and social inclusion. The ladies residences seem to get it right without ever having to use these disgusting initiation tactics, because it’s crazy and completely unnecessary.
Toxic arhaic patriarchy.
You left out the lesbianism
I was in a prominent mens residence for 5 years. Experienced, witnessed and dished out initiation events.
For some old boys clubs there are even initiation for 3rd and 4th students, mostly to get to know the rules and names of old boys.
It fostered camaraderie, and sense of belonging amongst the men. Overall great results.
There was the 5% who disapproved, some became sluipers or left.
Overall a net positive.
If you got revenge beaten for your actions what would you deserve ?
That "camaraderie" was toxic and exclusive. The "sluipers" were dehumanized and excluded by weirdos who thought they were ascended to the in-group. A mentality which seems to have lasted decades judging by your comment.
Are they still doing these childest acts Grow Up for ..ucks sake
What do you think this kind of trauma does to a person's psyche? You don't need to bond with your fellow students through trauma. You will succeed or fail in your studies through your own individual efforts. Ditto for the rest of life. You don't need the kind of "guts" this supposedly gives you. You need faith in God. A kid who was at school with me died during one of these initiation practices when they made them drunk and dropped them off far outside Stellenbosch to force them to walk back. He got hit by a car. Rest in peace "Skom." Sadly I've met many preachers who protect this kind of rubbish, showing that even if you study theology, it does not make you an ethical or a good man. It's unacceptable and barbaric and most importantly, un-Christian.
This is nothing compared to the carnage in SA happening everyday!
Sigh. Here comes the what-about apologists.
The one has nothing to do with the other. This is bullying on a severe scale . How many sue -cides has such dehumanising behaviour led to.
Name and shame this cult or organization
This has NOTHING to do with "the carnage in SA happening everyday". Nice try racist 😉
What is this??? The suffering Olympics??
my eff j se watch the video maar dis nt jy wat praat
What a softie
Can anyone explain where the "brutal" comes from? Just looks like a haunted house. Is it just a journalist catchphrase?
have you read anything about this?
@@tayaschultz9999 yes of course. But it doesn't answer my question.
100% journalist catchphrase. Pathetic!
being forced to drink disgusting concoctions, humiliated while vulnerable, being beaten with broken glass, the list goes on
@@4vora can you cite any of these accusations? A lot of it seems sensational rather than fact as per standard news. I really doubt anyone was beaten with broken glass... That just sounds absurd
So where is "The Horror", little children being scared of masks ? Interesting
@Masterwizard - you are right. Most of the Universities in SA had these initiations at hostels for decades and all of us went through this without being crybabies. Shame poor learners - what a joke, get a life and be a man!
@@wesselvanwyk1335That is an utterly stupid comment. No one should be subjected to this inhuman behaviour.
@@wesselvanwyk1335 How's that working out for you Wessel?
Well luckily he has the right mindset to see when something is wrong and inhumane what are you waiting for does there have to be multiple deaths on the campus before you climb onboard @@christianvaneeden7460
I am all for initiation it turns you into a better person but there has to be limits to what can be done otherwise what makes us better than animals we need to know when to stop this obviously comes a long way now and there where previous reports but as well nothing was done what are we waiting for we need to stop this inhumane actions @@wesselvanwyk1335
The poor snowflakes.
Ag shame you poor babies.... All successful people have gone through initiation, and it did not kill us, in fact it made us stronger and is more than likely the reason why we achieved the levels of success that we have....
So humiliating naked 18 year old boys was good for you? Heres to your 'success' big boy.
Successful thieves like Markus Jooste also stayed there. Look how successful he is now.
yup, and you’re living proof of how successful these programmes are, right?
@@tayaschultz9999 Absolutely...A lot more successful than little cry babies and mommas boys....
Truth
The mental resilience, attitude and camaraderie of initiation has its benefits.
And none died!? WTF!
So it has to take death for you to start doing something that is not a good argument
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