HEATED Debate: Is Andrew Tate Good For Society?
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- čas přidán 2. 10. 2023
- Patrick Bet-David and the Home Team have a heated debate with Liz Wheeler about Andrew Tate and whether or not he's good for society.
▶ PBD Podcast | Episode 309
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It’s hard to listen to Adam and not lose brain cells
Truth 😂
Yeah😂
So you only had to listen to him for one second..?
FOR REAL!!!!
Adam is the smartest retard in the room.
Adam: “I want your opinion”
*gets answer*
Also Adam: “well, that’s like, just your opinion”
LMAO I'm so glad someone else saw this too
Can't stand Adam's attitude
@@evanluna116dude got a predator mind if he don’t watch out he may find his as in prison 💯 😂
Lol truth right? 🙄🙄
Even moderate liberalism twists your brain in strange ways it seems 😬
Lmao
I really don’t understand why PBD thinks Adam brings anything of value to his table.
He's a partner in the podcast so he's stuck
He’s more than a partner, he’s a friend and a voice of a different point of view. We need to hear from eachother if you agree or disagree and it’s always important to hear from those that have a different world view from your own.
@@TheRealCrimdor this only applies if the other point of view is not stupid.
TRUST FAM ADAM SOSNICK IS A WEIZEL AND AN ANDREW TATE SYMPATHISER PLACING HIM AT THE HALFWAY MARK OF RAPEY
ANDREW AND TRISTEN TATE ARE LITERALLY RAPEY AND IF THERE WAS NO LAW I GUARANTEE THEYD HAPPILY RAPE WOMEN ITS CLEAR TO SEE HOW DISGUSTINGLY LOW THEY THINK......
OH AND ALSO THE TATE BROTGER RELIGION OF CHOICE IS RAPEY ASWEL....... THE WORST RELIGION IN THE WORLD RIGHT NOW.
TATES ARE DISGUSTING
JIHAD IS DISGUSTING
NUFF SAID
@@TheRealCrimdor NO DUDE
ITS WORSE THEN JUST BEING VARIED
ADAM SOSNICK ALWAYS TALKS TRASH AND HE BRINGS NOTHING BUT IGNORANCE AND DIGRESSION AND THERE ARE PLENTY OF MORE WORTHY VARIETY OF PEOPLE TO CHOOSE WHO WOULD BE FAR BETTER THEN THAT LITTLE WIEZEL ADAM SOSNICK
Liz represents the rare combination of getting it right and being able to communicate it effectively.
that tates message is pornography and manipulating women? lets stop right there lol
Not exactly, Andrew Tate didn’t get famous from pornography (running a business similar to only fans/before only fans existed) he got famous after speaking his mind bluntly like a sledge hammer which pissed Feminists off.
@@MrZZsharka
Can you be more specific about how what you say contradicts what I have said?
@@MrZZsharka yes he did, keep praising societal mental illed norms.
Tate said you have to date them lmfao. Where is the manipulation? She’s mad because she doesn’t like the word strategy, as if dressing nice, going to a place to find girls, and maybe buying them dinner, ISNT a strategy. It’s absurd
Adam strays from the point of a conversation further than I go on holiday 😂
She hurt his Tate fanboyism, and that cannot stand, lol
Indeed. Not everyone wants Tates life.
Adam was at his most impressive here.
Early lifer as they do they always do
😂😂
Adam refusing to answer her question about if he thinks that behavior is destructive was…embarrassing.
As is PBD keeping him around.
@dgee7931 that doesn't mean he doesn't have a bad take.
He was afraid to say it was repugnant because he still wants to be Tate's boyfriend.@@dgee7931
It comes across like this man is arguing for the sake of arguing. He talks in circles and never even makes a point, but he's quick to tell someone that makes a good point that they're wrong.
Grifter
She was nailing it the whole time, and he kept missing it lol.
another feminist spotted go kiss Andrew ass
She absolutely destroyed Adam and just ran mental circles around him.
I can only imagine their response to this comment section, lmao.
The comment section is usually pretty objective and honest so the response is simple is
SHE COOKED HIM
Liz failed to explain why she thinks Tate’s message is self-destructive. Being boyfriend of virgins is bad? Wahhh. The uck
@@LeadLeftLeonoh you again, Guru tate disciple hurt? Oh my goodness!
@@LeadLeftLeon it is bad if your only goal in being with the girl is to take her virginity and if You plan to dump her as soon as that happens
Yea that is wrong.
As someone who agrees with some of Tates messages, she was completely right on this topic. Adam made zero sense and was clearly talking as a bachelor. I’ve always agreed with PBD but she’s right when she told PBD he wouldn’t like that message for his daughter so how could he like it for all of society?
When it comes down to it BPD will shill whatever he thinks is good for his business.
These people are not principled people, they are about attention, adverts and money.
BPD claims he's a Christian. I smell bullshit.
Easy, he can protect his daughter hes not responsible for society and the choices majority of women make on their own anyway
Thought the same thing. She swept the floor with Adam. Was just a good video of Tate. Bad take in my opinion
Adam never makes sense. He's a cringe boomer living in a millennial body
Agreed
I don't understand how you can possibly defend Tristan's advice here. The woman was absolutely spot on about the Tate's message of materialism and thinking of women as objects. I, as a woman, also agree that masculinity is under attack in the west and the Tate brothers also explain and describe it flawlessly, however, their prescription of how to go about it is where I draw the lines.
Watch more of their content. The message is far deeper than the 15 second clips. A lot of the "older" (not that old) content is not spoken seriously and has been corrected in more recent times. As a man, we need them.. I love them, and whether they prescribe good or bad, people have a choice to act on that or not.
i dont understand how you can throw out lies. No one in this video said that what tristan said about taking viriginites was good. They are talking about 99% of the other things they preach. Fucking tiktok brains out here not understanding simple words.
I think girls should be taught by a parent that there are always going to be men like this. If your daughter does not have a male and female role model that can prepare them for the world, I would hope you would get involved in your church or big brothers or big sisters, etc. They need to see positive relationships modeled so they will know how to choose a wisely. This is not a Tate problem, this is a parenting problem.
Women telling men how to be men. 😂😂😂😂.. The Tates all the way
No one can destroy masculinity
This is why I follow Andrew Tate as a 24 year old Man:
“You're as competent as possible if you believe absolutely everything that's happened to you whether good or bad is completely your fault.” -Andrew Tate
“The man who goes to the gym every single day regardless of how he feels will always beat the man who goes to the gym when he feels like going to the gym.” -Andrew Tate
“The temporary satisfaction of quitting is outweighed by the eternal suffering of being a nobody.” -Andrew Tate
I agree. And there's like literally maybe 30 more of these. The guy's actually on another level.
@@dumbichhxx It’s great to know there are other young men seeking masculine achievement. I don’t think people realize you can disagree with 25% of what somebody says and still learn from the 75% of good they bring.
Grow up and stop being a follower.
Hes the leader we all needed. That Spartan style of speech that gets us off our ass and keeps us moving. With a righteous purpose based on masculinity and brotherhood its beautiful.
Those are some pretty nice quotes, definitely inspiring, but doesnt change the fact that the guy is a total scum bag.
Adam: Asks Liz her opinion on personal preferences.
Liz: Answers
Adam: But that's your opinion.
Exactly! Oh that twat is so infuriating. PBD is a fraud, too, but he could gain an ounce of credibility if he let go of Adam.
Liz married a wealthy individual who is successful. She could have married an average man but she didn't. She's a effing hypocrite.
He wanted her to say she liked rich man to defend his daddy’s Tristen and Andrew but she was too based.
@@RedVelvetBlackleather yet she married a wealthy above average individual. She's a hypocrite and she knows it I know it.
@@snyperghost2262
Don’t know her husband most people tend to marry within their social economic level she’s wealthy so her social circle was wealthy he’s not giving her anything she couldn’t attain herself from what I’ve seen.
Liz: Andrew is manipulative
Adam: Game is game!
As if Women aren't Manipulative..
No, the problem with Liz, is that "Women are Innocent, Priceless, Princesses" and "Men, All Men are just "gross pigs only out to fck".
😂😂😂
Adam just admitting he is an evil scumbag
😂😂😂😂
How do you define game, then?
Sir there are manyyyy women that have been in relationships with men that were not rich, and stayed with them FOR YEARSSSSSSSSS
It is shocking to see men as educated and accomplished as Patrick and Adam sacrifice their critical thinking at the alter of old fashion alpha male egotism. Patrick even went so far as to throw his own daughters under the bus in favour of Andre Tate's brand of masculine influence, which he himself admitted he wouldn't want for his own daughters. And when Liz Wheeler called him out on it he doubled down because he would prefer his daughters live in a world of men influenced by Andrew Tate instead of a world influenced by men like Steven Bartlett. I pity his children.
Really poor logic from PBD. The question was not "Are the Tate bros preferable to leftist indoctrination?".
Liz was spot on when she elevated men who are godly. 🕊️
You could tell PBD was disappointed in Adam and his dialogue with Liz , almost like he was embarrassed to have him as a cohost. The comments don’t lie, Adam just needs to branch off and do his own podcast . We all know he is drooling to have his own version of Fresh and Fit .
Adam has his own podcast, I don't remember what it's called but it's under the valuetainment brand.
Liz knows exactly what the tates are saying and they are bad. She is correct and you are advocating for self avowed rapists and traffickers
Adam is an idiot. wish it was just PBD and the other loud guy, he’s funny
PBD has cognitive dissonance when it comes to the Tates. How can you say you like a person but then use their behaviour on video to warn his daughters about potential threats (predatory behaviour) that may cause then harm. Not sure how one can like someone who admits to predatory acts, where is the line of unacceptable behaviour? …he acts like a predator to women but then helps a bunch of guys to work out so in the end it is net positive….this is a slippery slope for societies and will lead to further deterioration.
Societies cannot flourish if it is acceptable behaviour to dehumanize a cohort…initially it will seem like it is working for a set of people but it will rapidly decay into chaos. You would be basically teaching young men to become sociopaths.
Love how Adam patronizes her in every sentence… 🤦♀️ still trying to understand why he’s on the show 🫠
OMG me too!! Clearly PBD is a intellectual being but a couple of his friends, NOT SO MUCH!!
Awesome discussion 👏🏽. Keep bringing content like this. Very interesting and helpful!!! God bless 🙌 🙏🏾
Adam is a perfect example of how little most ppl in the modern world take the time to carefully think things through. As William James once said, "A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices."
Liz’s arguing from false underlying premise, which is why she can still make a logically sound argument and be wrong.
Really dude? The evidence against the Tate brothers is overwhelming. They're not heroes or in any decent
@@xyz0zyxso what’s the false premise you claim?
The video of Tristan talking about virgins is actually one of the most tame videos. There are other videos far worse and actually self incriminating.
The Tates are complete garbage individuals, everything they have accomplished has been through fraud.
Imagine never putting a day of real productive work in your life, manipulating women into selling their bodies, lying to them taking a larger cut of their money than you agreed to, and calling yourself a real man. That’s the Tates for you. Pimps, thieves, and fraudsters.
@@whynot1548 Evidence of the contrary you mean. Evidence is not proof. And there’s plenty of reasonable doubt. Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt my friend. Basic shit.
He disgusting fr and will be the type of man who think graping is good too
Dude the amount of times Adam asked Liz to explain her point… cmon man, quit stalling lmao. Pat clearly explains his point and Liz actually made a fantastic point.
Have to agree with Liz here.
Liz was the clear winner of logic, reasoning, and understanding.
💯
Adam is out of his league. Perhaps his arguments and gaslighting would work well with the women of tiktok, but not an educated woman such as Liz and this has nothing to do with conservatism. Killed it Liz ❤
Hate to say it but Adam looked incredibly ignorant in this segment.
Adam: What is the most important quality you look for in a man?
Liz: I look for a man that's Godly.
Adam: That's just your opinion.
Liz: Yeah, because you asked for my opinion.
Adam: You want a Godly man, why didn't you marry a priest?
Liz: Preists aren't allowed to get married, Adam.
🤣
When does Adam *not* sound ignorant?
What is godly? Shud I google it?
@@GEDDY37strong believe in higher power. Are you 10
@@GEDDY37Seriously? A man that follows God's word as in the Bible. A man who doesn't run around fornicating and values marriage and the principals of the Bible above all. Maybe you should read the Bible and use Google less.
hilarious
Liz has the drop. Adam proves himself to be the tool that he consistently is.
PBD is brilliant to put them in a face off 👍⚡️💪
Yes why don't they replace him I never find him add anything of value to the discussion.
@@peasant7214seriously!
@@twinkletoes6290 yes seriously I never liked what he says. PBD questions on the other hand are usually on point and addresses the issue, and his defense of tate here was much better than this Adam, and he talked 10 times less.
Adam is intolerant of anyone who disagrees with him. I bypass and skip over him these days. Not sure why PBD has him on his staff.
Yes, there is your answer, thanks for coming
She wiped the floor with Adam. It's actually the perfect way to defeat his tawdry style of argumentation. He tries to take her off the actual point where he knows he doesn't have a case, but she stays right on it. Then he uses his hyperbole and attributes it to the other side, but she demands clarification. Giving him all the rope he needs. Lovely to see.
rofl the only thing she wipes is her ass. She made 0 argument and is part of the establishment trying to feminize men.
@YungPhilosopherYou’re hilarious. I don’t dislike the Tates at all, but they’ve done many things that directly hurt the men they claim to help (like screwing them out of money by tricking them, and also tricking women into losing their virginity, but then telling guys they should pursue virgins cuz they have less trauma. It’s like if I convinced you that you should only drink from the unopened bottles of liquor at the bar, but then I walked up to the bar and started opening every bottle just for fun). I understand you’re a Tate stan, and that’s fine - I bet if I hung out with them I’d really like them. But you have a very surface level understanding of life & society if you think they’re the greatest role models for men. Their advice can be _helpful_ for young men (at least in the short term), but that doesn’t make it good.
@YungPhilosopher So because every man who is a player tricks and manipulates women, there is nothing wrong with that? So we are now assessing the moral status of certain acts based on how many people commit those acts???? You, sir, are disgusting.
She won hands down poor Adam was castrated “live” on air
@YungPhilosopher Consensual sex/ consensual dating doesn't mean a thing if it's based on one person lying and/or manipulating the other.
Liz is arguing with logic and facts
Not really. Shea ragued with outdated things that the state brothers said 5-10 years ago and missed their point multiple times. She is a woman and do not see the male perspective. She looks at it from a female POV
He has no virtue and logical reasoning
no she is not, godly women would not be commiting adultery.
@@boshirahmed”godly” women do it all the time
Well, although I like the Tates, she has a valid point on Tristan's video, which is destructive for society. However, she said that they promote Pornography, which is false, they don't. And another thing she mentioned is that "Tates tell men they are victims." This cannot be farther from the truth because they constantly emphasize on the importance of responsibility.
Liz is on point. As a man being Godly is a primary goal of mine. The tates, as successful as they are, have a skewed moral compass. The mix positive male messages with destructive relationship practices abd dynamics. They confuse young ment into believing personal success is related to promiscuity.
Unfortunately- success is related to it. But not the quality one .
That is Liz s point which is great but there are those who don't hold that value which I think is the other side of this argument. If a girl is not seeking a godly man, she'll most likely fall pray to a playboy, but honestly, many young girls fall for the wrong guy more than not
They do have a different moral compass for sure - but they’ve done more in fighting this current battle against men being demasculinised … Liz said it herself.. now yes Godly is being important but right now the woke left has taken hold on men in society and are being attacked
Tates have done more to fight that than any current ‘godly’ influencer - to think that us as men can’t distinguish the good from the bad in the Tates message (which let’s be honest a lot of it is exaggerated and is a character Tare has made as it has proven to bring the attention it has) is an insult to us.
I don’t agree with a lot of what the Tates say, but I applaud that they stand up against the nonsense we are seeing in the far left and at least are bringing the fight to them.
All men want a virgin....understand that...and why?...is that the only mark of virtue?....it is much more fun to drive a car alongside of somebody who knows how to drive theirs..its safer and much more fun to go fast and race with each other...
Let me tell you something do you have any realization on the sexual marketplace in 2024?. I bet you you're over 50 saying some stupid shit like this when the average 25 year old woman has 30 bodies turn off compared to 5 for men
man adam just keeps losing these debates over and over everytime i watch a randomly watch a new video
A woman whose virginity is still intact as an adult has made that choice for a reason. She's saving that for someone special who she believes she can have a lasting, meaningful, relationship with. Convincing her that you're that guy just to take it from her is truly despicable. The option of sex for women is ALWAYS on the table, they can get it anywhere any time. If they intentionally avoid it as a personal choice in service of a higher ideal you're a scumbag for seeking to destroy that virtue for another notch on your belt. No 2 ways about it.
I agree 💯, well said.
Agreed, but castigating the Tates and their message due to one old clip like this isn’t giving them a fair shake either. Their message to men is 98% positive.
@@GrindfeldtIf that was true, how come they are gonna be doing time?! 😂
100% only a little boy wouldn't understand that.
@@Grindfeldt lol this was one of the milder clips. If you do a deep dive and watch all their stuff in context you'll see that this was one of tamer videos that their dumbasses put out.
Adam spending all his energy explaining how successful the Tate’s are…
Liz: go back to what I said…I don’t care how much money they’ve made.
Adam: why are you making it all about money?
You alright Adam? Need a snickers bar?
I was waiting for Adam to ask her what color her Bugatti is. He wants to be the Tate’s so bad. He bases his entire persona off them. It’s beta behavior.
Liz is a clown 🤡 but she is a woman so what do you expect and her ignorance is 🤦🏽♂️
She's a keeper, congrats to her husband. About these brothers, they teach how to become what they are NOW. That's the danger, they are not fulfilled, they are just successful.
Adam: "Don't YOU think it's incumbent on men to try and accomplish that?"
Liz: says her opinion.
Adam: "But that's your opinion"
If I had a dollar for every time PBD told Adam "Where are you going with this" ...🤣🤣🤣
Lmao ikr
Yall gotta read her books she so smart
I think he was maybe stoned?
He's stoned. I'm seeing it the farther this goes. Completely missed her point, the whole point.
The men in here are just talking nonsense, not addressing the problem of tate promoting misogyny and talking about other things
Liz absolutely nails this.
She didn't lol
Women are to be seen not heard. This is the problem with the loss of masculinity in the west. SIMP men listening to a woman's blabbering about what she thinks a man is, and how they should conduct themselves.
@@staysolid19”lol”
And that’s you discounted as a child whose opinion couldn’t matter any less if they tried.
Grow up and stop worshipping losers like the Tates 👍🏻
I hate to admit it but yes she did!
@@staysolid19yes she did.
The only thing i learn from adam is that silence can be waaay better than talking sometimes …
I don't understand how such a good and intelligent man that is PBD continues to keep Adam on the show, he is generally clueless about the world and brings nothing to any of these shows. I wonder if any of these men would be happy if their daughters/sisters date a Tate brother!
Adam's arguing the same emotional way he used to in 2020 and 2021.
He's stuck in "the matrix"
adam is low in test he needs to hit the gym bro
@@manoftomorrow5987😂
He’s loosing me more and more every time he speaks.
Adam is their to bring a different perspective and it makes PBD look brilliant.
She gets it. He doesn't get that he doesn't get it.
Adam is such a smooth brain. I agree with a lot of things that Andrew Tate says but Liz is making an excellent point. The video with Tristan is disgusting.
So sad to watch people with daughters defending this kind of behavior.
Even PBD didn't get where Adam was going.......hell, Adam didn't even know where he was going lol
Top G = "Top Gangster"..😂😂🤦♂️
😂😂😂
“Do you want your daughter dating a man like that?” Simple answer …hell no! I like how Tom and Patrick answered. Adam obviously does not have kids and is not married. Liz actually had a great response and take on this.
Your daughter gona be a hoe who will date a worse guy that tate hahahaha unless you're super Conservative and you control your kid until marriage.
Fun fact: If your son does that to girls, you would see no wrong in it. But I'm sure you would beg to differ 🤣
I would kick his ass so good he would think ten times before even trying anything like that. Playing with people's feelings is most disgraceful thing a man can do, and a woman. And that's coming from a guy whose ex broke my heart in 1000000 pieces and I even got sick so bad that I know living without big bowel while she having two kids and husband. If I ever see her again in my life I make sure she fucking know what evil she was back then.
@@zizu-lakakaThat's actually just a self report. Some of actually care about the moral character of our children
where is the virgin now that you had?
Pat who idolizes Dumbo Donnie also idolizes Andrew Tate and his brother. Why am I NOT surprised. And yet Pat said he doesn't want his girls dating such guys and then says the Tate Brothers are good for society. God Help us
Confusion of the highest order
Adam was totally destroyed here. Trying to defend something that cannot be defend.
He really said “welcome to modern day dating” unbelievable
He was actually reasonable because that's how it is
@@ephraimsondoyi9966 sorry to hear that’s your experience
@ephraimsondoyi9966 It's not. You need to find better circles to hang out around.
Went into this one thinking I was going to be on Adam's side and nope; she nailed it.
Liz failed to explain why she thinks Tate’s message is self-destructive. Being boyfriend of virgins is bad? Wahhh. The uck
@@LeadLeftLeonyeah Liz was the emotional one if anything. A “godly” man? Really? Lol Adam nailed it with her not marrying a pastor.
@@boblashed1012 if you think that only pastors are godly men, then thats where you are wrong as there are men who are godly even if they are not the leaders of the church.
@@MD_Production you missed the point. Liz stated that a godly man was MOST important to HER. Meaning what she’s saying is rooted purely in emotion and not factual.
@@LeadLeftLeon Tate was making those videos from a predator's perspective, the prey being 2, 3 virgins per year. Do you think he cared about them after? This is the destructive part, having a predator mindset and using those virgins only for own pleasures.
Well done Liz, you are a champion
Thank God for Tom his response to PVDs question about the video and his opinion was beyond comprehension very simple response, but mind blowing in the substance😊
I don’t understand how anyone could watch that video of Tristan and say that’s a “positive message” or come out in support of that..
Liz made great points one after another, and totally bodied Adam in that conversation. I wouldn’t even call that a “debate”…
You completely missed the point of the discussion. That clip is obviously not a positive message. No one on the panel thinks it's a positive message. The point of this debate was to discuss whether the Tates are a net positive or a net negative on the world. No one in the video defended the clip.
Please trim your Pussy.
I think women get mad when a man they don't want figures out how to appear to them as a man they do.
women like to be able to go into the world of men and pick the man they want and then have them be what they expect them to be.
so if you show a man how to pretend to be a different type of man than they would normally present as, it makes their job of finding a man they want who will commit to them.
they want it to be easy. this makes it less easy. that's why they don't like a video like that existing. because if a woman was making a similar video on "securing the bag" from men... crickets.
you know makes a mark easier to grift? their own greed. so before you cry about women being misled, consider that.
@@theoverunderthinker In addition to what you've stated, there also tends to be an oxymoron in what attracts them. The less they know about the man, the more appealing he is to them. It allows them wiggle room for the imagination to envision what they want him to be, thus increasing the attraction based on how they perceive the man in their mind. There's an almost impossible overlap of being mysterious enough to keep her on her toes, but also giving her enough information so she is satisfied.
@@ReeVoque I agree, but not all women function that way and the weird part, women who don't subscribe to those mentalities tend to make better relationship choices (in my experience). probably because they are looking at what is in front of them and not what they expect to get out of it in the future. and to be fair: a lot of men could benefit from the same insights, it just plays out differently because the have different goals, but on some level it is a human thing as well.
Adam is holding back PBD. Man knows how to annoy legit everyone.
Agreed. There's something to be said about having another opinion on the show for the sake of being open minded, but he's unbearable and a tool.
They need a Jew
@@rumchata6569 to get away with talking about certain subjects? They don't NOTICE enough to keep him around if you ask me...
PBD keeps him around to be ‘devils advocate’ for the sake of conversation. He’s the dissenting voice. You can’t have everyone agreeing or it’s boring. PBD knows what he’s doing. 😉 I agree, though, he’s an idiot, lol. I rarely agree with anything he says. You have to have someone for Tom and Vinny to argue with. There is a lot of engagement in the comments about Adam. The more chatter there is in the comments, the more attention the video gets. All for the algorithm. It’s a business.
@@Diametricallyopposed00 naw he keeps him cuz he’s the Jew of the group. Every group needs a Jew for connects
The older I get, the more I realize that the tates aren't really what they meant to say or trying to be. Yes, I agree. Men should be strong and men should be men but the same time. You should also respect women and respect everything around you.
She is, so far, the most eloquent detractor and her arguments were sound. Rather than use ad hominem attacks or other argumentative fallacies, she spoke directly to the normative aspect of the advice offered in the video by the Tates, and she was spot on. And it is about time someone eloquent provided a push back.
The video by Tris was appalling. I do agree that they have other advice for men which is good, notwithstanding, the virgin advice was awful.
The PDP team have a bias, as they are friends with the Tates, and so issue of incentive caused bias is at play.
Fundamentally, the lady was addressing the ‘ought' argument (prescriptive statement), whilst the others were focused on the 'is' argument (descriptive statement).
She was heads above the rest.
PBD threw Adam into the fire with this one 😂😂😂 but I like how he saves him and articulates how most men view the Tate brothers.
No one can touch adam he is Jewish 😉
@@abdoumokrane275 Liz touched him so inappropriately he might need to see a therapist
Only men who aren’t men, and have no concept of manhood, look up to the Tate brothers. Only an absolute lack of masculinity, a desperation for it, would cause anyone to look up to a wannabe pimp crime lord who brags about manipulating women into sex work, slavery practically, and boasts about how he dupes his followers too, as some “role model” just because he throws a few common sense words in with his BS.
😂 Adam comes off as an Andrew Tate groupie
@@BustBackTvHe is and it's weak. Whole culture of simping for other men.
Liz destroyed Adam. Good for her
- Adam : can I make a point
- Patrick : you have 20 seconds
😆😆😆😆😆
And they say women cant be logical ❤ she bought her point across with ease❤🎉
As soon as Adam starts to talk I push the forward button. Omg I rather have a root canal then to listen to Adam go on and on. He totally takes control of the show.
😂😂😂😂 I had one yesterday
I have no idea who this guy is, sometimes PBD has an interesting take but i don't watch his podcast probably because of stuff like this. This is is a completely stupid ass clown listening to him talk makes me want to delete myself.
😂😂😂😂
Agreed.
Physically *hurts* to listen. As if headache is about to start
Liz definitely won that argument, at least the rational side of it. The Tate brothers advertise just another form of the hedonistic lifestyle. The guy defending them just makes excuses for being hedonistic.
I don't think you've actually listened to Tates if you think they advertise a form of hedonistic lifestyle. Especially the "advertise" part.
It's narcissistic self-worship. It's essentially satanic. Tate is a narcissist like his father.
@@pejv7903I agree with you. Nice to see that I’m not the only one who thinks this way. She just showed a short clip of Tristan. And than followed with a bunch of BS.
@@pejv7903i dont think youve listened to them…. They rebranded after the arrest and stopped but they literally sold hour long courses on how to be a pimp.
I'm not defending them being pimps, and I never will. I also never mentioned anything regarding pimping, seems like you don't understand what hedonism is.@@tylerware2836
She's right.
Not certain what to make of this!!
Liz is 100% right on this. They need to understand that the Tate brothers teach others how to become powerful, but not how to use it for the good of the world. It needs to be used for the good. If it's used for the bad it's destructive.
Afcourse a person that believe in 70 genders say that
The internet will make you think that their followers are wealthy and powerful.
Idk a single person irl who’s in a position high up in society who listens to Andrew Tate.
They’re just big on social media platforms and red pill groups online.
Yes, I don’t know if Andrew Tate actually realizes he’s promoting moral degeneracy, which , in the end is destructive to society. Plus, I think he’s incredibly insecure. Anybody who talks so loudly about themselves; about how great they are, possessions they own, etc is overcompensating for a low opinion of themselves. He LOVES to tell the world how great he is and how many young men he’s ‘saving’. He’s got the God complex for sure.
Liz is only right from a female perspective. Men don't watch the Tates and feed off them being told they are attacked. Men watch the Tates and feed off the masculine emotions they project. It's like a football coach getting the team prepared for a game. Coaches don't use fear they project fierceness and confidence and toughness in their players and the Tates project those emotions in their viewers which creates stronger better men. Also if you watch their more recent stuff Andrew is very adamant on not viewing pornography and he also is against alcohol. They are promoting healthy ways for men to be better stronger than ever. We need more men like Andrew and Tristan Tate in this world to stand up against the radical leftists we have in the world.
This is the best explanation of why the Tates are not necessarily good for society. I agree with most of what the Tates say about masculinity in modern society but you pinned it perfectly. They are teaching weak men to become powerful without understanding the responsibility that comes with that power. The youth tends to hyper-focus on the materialistic and self-serving side of their message. Most want to become successful for their own betterment. Not for the betterment of others. 👏👏👏👏👏👏
Patrick is brilliant at explaining things clearly.
No he isn't! He clearly explained that he is okay with his own daughters being banged every three months by random Top Gs than them ever turning out to be LGBT. Very sickening of him
But couldn’t agree that Tate’s message like that isn’t it for family values etc
Because all his fans are dumb af 😂
@@Staymadcompa But acknowledges it's an old video that they no longer promote or sell. The only reason why these clips are even popping up is because anti-Tate people are promoting it on their behalf as a strategy to slander the Tate movement as it exists today. In reality, these clips aren't at all related to his rise to fame and popularity. His rise to fame and popularity came from his accurate diagnosis of societal problems, and his self-help/motivational content. That's 99.99% of his brand. Liz Wheeler is latching on old out of context clips of them saying edgy things at a time when they were living more godless lives, but obviously they've grown out of it.
@@xyz0zyx Not true. Much of what they did and many of these videos weren't old. They were recent. And they refuse to disavow it. Liz spoke so much truth without beating around the bush that Tate blocked her and throw a tantrum back when she made these twitter posts.
There are numerous God-fearing men who are muscular and can provide for his woman and very well too
He doesn't have a point . He wants to have a point that supports his belief in the tate brothers thats why he doesn't see anything that proves him wrong .
"You see what you aim at " professor Jordan B Peterson .
“To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.”
That's the Jews. Always has been for the past hundreds of years. The Tates are talked about all the time. They're always bringing up the Tate brothers on everyone's mind . Jews are who you cant talk about. I believe in free speech on anyone. All people should be able to speak freely. But critisizing a jew is like "hate speech" on steroids.
Disabled kids?
@@martyzocc1380israel
Isreal?
Andrew Tate?
Big fan of the PBD podcast. Watched and shared many episodes with my friends over the years. And I'd also like to add that I've gotten a good bit of entertainment from the Tate interviews.
First time listening to Liz, and gotta say she absolutely killed it here. She won the debate for sure. "The Home Team" lost credibility when they couldn't admit that the message Tristan was sending was complete trash, and when they scrambled to defend him. I get it, they're all friends, but that shouldn't mean you can't admit to that message being trash. It took guts to sit up there and speak her piece to this room full of successful men, and not back down for an instant. She was articulate, logical, and straight to the point.
Gotta give it to her, respect.
PDB Home team actually occasionally uses the "two wrongs make a right" formular it's so disgusting and exhausting. PBD immediately made it become a binary comparison well knowing he had lost it. He switched to the LGBT party comparison as if Consenting same sex adults is such a bad thing. PBD ignores the possibility of his own kids turning out to be LGBT with out any external influence. He some how feels more confortable surrendering his own daughters to Tristan Tate team all in the name of closure. I should subscribe to the guest stars CZcams account. Ann one to share it? PDB had one last chance to do away with toxic masculinity but they all fear being called out and targeted by Tate Team. So sad. Am glad Jordan Peterson took the high road and called them out. Right Diagnosis, Poor Prescription. The end!
I'm 7 minutes through this garbage video and I'm gobsmacked how this woman is stating the absolute most common sense of any basic human value "exploitation of others is not good" and this guy is acting like she's speaking Swahili.
I remember watching some other video where this guy was hosting some event with another fake player, kinda stalky guy, who was being brutalized by another lady. She was composed and also making solid points while the guy was getting red in the face and stuttering. Adam KEPT asking the lady "are you upset?" "are you ok?" "are you angry?". It was ridiculous. She was cool as a cucumber and the other guy was losing his shit and this guy pretends like the woman is always wrong somehow.
I don't know how anyone takes these 'married to my narrative' hosts seriously.
@@JOHNGRACE you completely missed what PBD said
Liz is an absolute dumb ass, I don’t understand why she’s on this show.
Besting Adam in a debate is like beating a quadriplegic in a foot race
I would like to get onto this podcast
Her first comment is gold. Tate has done some good; but not all of his solutions work in a positive manner.
I’m a 48 yr old man who’s 6 ft tall and in good shape. I own my own very successful business. I agree with her. A reel man isn’t on a mission for meaningless sex but for one good women as a life long partner in doing good and in raising children with character, integrity and values who will positively effect future society.
Your old ass is a simp
Yeah but do you want a woman who has been ploughed through by every other dude? I think not.
@@LinaSydney100no man does. But what’s the point? Find you one. It’s ridiculous to run around and screw every chick u can in the meantime. It’s dumb.
wtf does your height have to do with this you ape
you must be a single virgin correct? wake up it's 2023
This conversation went off the rails because Adam was trying to "win" rather than have a discussion and Liz didn't pin him down when he was wrong. His best point was, "Hey, if the guy sticks around, and is a good boyfriend for a few months, how manipulative is that really? Are you telling me the virgin didn't sleep with him because she wanted to?" Liz should have responded, "Being a good boyfriend for a few months isn't the part I object to. I object to the guy planning, in advance, regardless of how the relationship is going, that he is going to dump her and go look for another virgin. That's the manipulative part."
she more or less said exactly that... listen again.
Being the good boyfriend IS the manipulative part, being the “good boyfriend” are his acts of manipulation. Everything he does to be a good boyfriend, it’s intent is to take her virginity. Hence being the good boyfriend IS the manipulation.
That is what OP just wrote. Learn to read
Not to mention the plan to "take" her virginity! Absolutely VILE!
To educate a man in mind and not in morals is to educate a menace to society.
- Theodore Roosevelt
She’s right
6:27- The answer to that is "It's the reality we live in now. PLUS that was a question that was asked to Tristan Tate, and he simply gave his expertise and knowledge to the men. What? Free speech right? It's upto to them to follow"
Adam is the guy everyone looks at the party and thinks, should we tell him?
LOL
Tell him already
The dude is a fucking idiot. He isn’t able to articulate his points clearly.
Lmao
spoken like a true simp or a modern western woman. either way "congrats"
Adam asks for her oponion
Liz : She says her opinion
Adam : that's your opinion
He's not bright enough to be a cohost. Too bad PBD doesn't recognize the Dunning-Kruger diagnosis and cut the dead weight.
He has a room temperature IQ
Whats her full name
Lady you are perfectly right in all that you have said. Good for you. 👏
Have to agree with Liz there, Adam is living the single bachelor lifestyle. Mainly the US and western dating culture are screwed.
Good
Im a Adam fan and cant believe he doesnt find a huge problem with Tristan Tate having a "How to deceive and F Virgins" tutorial video 😂 come on Adam! Does PBD have a daughter!? Anyone with a daughter will not like those comments.
@@mikem4481 I get that vibe too from Adam. I think he's on one hand not very bright and there is also a lot going on with him emotionally, a lot of internal confusion. The fact that he cant hold a conversation with a woman that has a different opinion from him without becoming triggered and emotional speaks volumes. Also whenever someone disagrees with him he says "oh so you believe ..." it shows how narrow minded he is. He thinks there´s only ever two ways to look at something and they´re always extremes at the opposite side of the spectrum. I think it would do him well to work construction and deal with some real, down to earth guys and have a physical outlet.
@NikoPaisa87 lost me at adam fan, he never made any logic in his debates 😂
Adam is unbearable
A man’s value should be determined based on his principles, beliefs, and actions rather than financial wealth. There are countless rich men who are absolute low life scumbags.
Financial wealth is a metric/barometer and function of your principles beliefs and actions.
You dont get to tell anyone what their value is determined by. Only reality can do that, and that is why men flock to what the Tates have to say.
Keep raging against reality, my simpy friend.
This is true. And there are quite a lot studies which tie increases in wealth to lowering of empathy in individuals.
@@shogunofharlem8240 Society has imputed values determination locked. Intrinsic values have been lost to constructs. Do not be obtuse. Educate yourself dufus.
@@shogunofharlem8240just because men flock to the Tate's that doesn't make them a good for society!
I’ve characteristically ageee on most things Adam says. He’s not got enough wisdom to be objective, step outside of his own male POV, and see that she is SPOT ON. Damn, he is still under Tates level of awareness.
Thank you so much 🙏
I'm with Liz on this one....
Adam gave a good lesson on how to intentionally misrepresent your opponent in a debate because you simply want to win. Liz was 100% right on this topic. I’m a Tate fan but man… big yikes, Tristan.
Lol no.
I’m a Tate fan. I like a lot of what they say. But that video of Tristan was disgusting. Not at all how I would want my sons or daughters to view Sex and Marriage.
I chew the meat and spit out the bones when it comes to them.
Adam was biased because he tried to defend the Tates versus the ideology that they were debating. Liz just spoke directly and truthfully.
Yep she was, Adam looked like a fool
@@NickisWise
Thats an old video..they are in process of learning now...iA you ll see they ll change for good..Give time to.reformers..
@@lightbeings6243 I’m a Tate fan. They have matured a bit, but they still absolutely make their money from vile things such as pornography and only fans.
They hide it a bit more nowadays, because they know it’s disgusting.
Again, I do like them but I’m not a blind idiot.
Mr PBD i have so much respect for how you articulate yourself and how you listen and talk to people with respect and your patience is beyond words , and with all that said i always tell people stop looking at the messenger just listen to the message this girl is not too smart she just like to argue good thing she listen tho so thats a good place start so she will get it togather
Literally everything she said the Tates advocate for, is literally the EXACT opposite of what they actually advocate for, anyone who listened to the PBD podcasts with them will immediately see this.
Patrick is the only one that can actually speak facts!
Totally agree
He is charging $15,000 to sit in a class to tell simps how to be men it's a scam and you are one of his cult followers you are dumb
Tom
I think Tate teaching young men to value themselves is incredibly important in this day and age, however he exploited male neediness in order to get rich. On some level he was (is?) contributing to the problem while simultaneously providing a solution. There are much better role models out there for young men to follow.
No he is a changed person..n iA with time you ll see with knowledge of religion..he ll.improve..
@@lightbeings6243he has no regrets. He simply switching his marketing to target a new audience/market.
He’s never done that
You critique without offering solutions. Who that embodies what Andrew has to do suggest?
Nobody is perfect I think he is better than than the others substitutes.
PBD had the correct answer out of all of them.
As a father and a previous player and now even as a single early '50s man, I think she made better arguments than any of the men here today.
Liz is correct and clearly explains her logic which makes perfect sense-my sentiments exactly. Adam should've left a trail of breadcrumbs for him self before he started down that debate.
as shes wearing makeup deceiving men?
@@joshcapa2901what are you on about? She is married.
Perfect comment!
Her logic is sound. The problem is her logic is limited by her limited information. This means the premise of her conclusions are on faulty grounds. One can make logically sound argument and still be wrong if the premise is wrong. She’s actually arguing a strawman here. Listen to watch Tristan actually says in the clip without interpreting anything, just listen word for word. He says nothing about the things Liz claims he’s saying. Liz is filling in the gaps with her own feminist imagination and using feminist buzzwords like manipulation and exploitation to describe him. She’s doing this because she didn’t do her homework. She actually watched this clip as part of a slanderous compilation of out of context clips made by TheMilkBarTV.
shes completely wrong tho. tates message is the complete opposite of this clip. This clip was made several yrs ago to a very small audience. Also the assumption that bc they did webcam 10+yrs ago they promote prn to young man is the most unlogical thing Ive heared in a while. They are literally ashamed of their actions and say in every podcast to stop watching it bc its very harmfull. People that claim what liz claims are just not informed enough and talk with very little knowledge about the topic...
This entire panel is perfect. This debate was perfect. None of them were wrong. Liz wants higher standards from men, im all for it.
W take
It's just gatekeeping. Standards for men but none for women. Women can pick and choose from tons of men trying to date them but a man must stick to 1 woman
There was nothing perfect about this debate. Adam went completely off the rails, didn't even understand the point Liz was making, arguing instead that being *tall* is something every men should "try to accomplish" (LMAO), while that Tom first admitted that Tristan's message was "terrible" and then jumped right into whataboutism about far left. The whole defense of Tate was 90% basic logical fallacies or not even understanding what was being said to them. I know they are friends with Tates, but if you are a good friend you *must* be able to tell when someone is in the wrong.
@@simshengvue5799I second you
@@simshengvue5799 Then put yourself into position where you can pick and chose. Just once you have chosen stick to it.
Don't know her. But she made her points perfectly well.
Adam...a bit cringe here. Swearing at her and actually using the term top g.
I don't mind the Tate's but again she makes valid points
She’s not missing the point you are lol. You’re asking her questions but refusing to answer her simple question… is the behavior that is being promoted destructive? It’s a simple question Adam answer it.
Has the culture that is centered on the principles promoted in the sexual revolution been destructive or not?
Why is that a hard question?
Debates being done in honesty and good faith is SO satisfying to watch.
Where is the good faith?
They all work for the same people, it's all a massive, gigantic theatre.
@@sadsadasdsadasdsadas The good faith is that both debaters are saying things from their actual point of view. They're not getting paid to say that from Pat specifically say that, just for their time to be on the show where it's not about cancel culture.
Adam was dishonest and the whole thing. He always is
she is
The people who agree with Liz’s assessment here are taking for granted that the underlying premise of her conclusions is accurate. Her arguments are logically sound. The problem is something can be logically sound and still be completely wrong if it’s built on top of limited information, that does not account for all the implications and nuances of the underlying views. Meaning, her logically sound arguments derive from a faulty premise, and therefore she’s actually arguing against a strawman.
Take for example the Tristan clip. Without trying to interpret anything by filling in the gaps and missing nuance, listen to what Tristan says word for word. You’ll notice he says absolutely nothing about the claims made against him by Liz. She’s filling in the gaps with her own feminist imaginations and then using feminist buzzwords like “manipulate exploit and deception” to mischaracterize his statements.
For some background, Liz actually came across this clip of Tristan from a slanderous compilation of out of context clips made by TheMilkBarTV. Meaning she’s interpreting his words on the basis of all the hit pieces she watched, not the actual courses or podcasts the Tates have been on.
She did not do her homework and due diligence. She did not watch the dating course in full. She did not watch the long form discussions of Tristan speaking on the topic of dating and how to navigate relationships. Her entire view of Tristan is blinded sided by hitpieces.
Tristan is simply describing that as someone who’s active in the dating scene and is surrounded by women, he will often encounter women who who happen to be virgins. He did not say that he goes out hunting for them. He then describes how to navigate the relationship to build a connection with her, by being patient, taking it slow, giving her time, being genuinely nice to her, being a gentleman, until she feels ready to be intimate.
From there he does not say anything about dumping them, ghosting them, or leaving them damaged or broken. In the fuller context, Tristan described when dating young women you have to be very careful because they’re like an untouched Amazon rainforest and you want to leave it as good as if not better off than when you discovered it, not dump a bunch of oil on it.
He spoke about creating a good experience for both parties and leaving a good lasting impression, and so even if they depart that no one is upset. This is why their exes still have so much respect for them and wouldn’t talk bad about them to the media.
In this clip he doesn’t say anything about lying to them. He does not hide the fact that he has multiple women and dates non exclusively. The idea that he’s tricking virgins into thinking he will be exclusive to them is a lie made up by Liz. Not every relationship is intended to be a long term committed and exclusive relationship and this is no different than when virgins date.
Furthermore, Tristan does not advise whether you should or should not take things to the next level if you so choose, after being intimate with a woman who happens to be a virgin. This is once again a mischaracterization of what he said by Liz where she suggests he’s saying to pump and dump.
Most of us are fans of PBD, the podcast and the team but it’s good to see most of us also can see where they can be biased. Liz is in the right here. None of us would want our kids learning this type of message nor following similar paths as the Tates.
Clearly some of the Tate brothers messages are good, but not stuff like this. Maybe they don’t sell this stuff anymore, if they do then their message gets diluted.
it was clearly satire lol, but dont people cannot understand
PBD is biased in so many way but you only realize and care know because it's something that might impact you personally.
Stop being weak. The message is normal and constructive.
The question is are they net positive or negative.. she talks about that video because it fits narrative.. there is a 1 hour lesson about discipline. Why doesn't she mention that? Is that also bad thing to teach young men?
PBD is biased, but so is she.. they are net positive, although they are human traffickers
The whole problem is that you can teach children in US public schools how to become LGBT... but adult mеn cannot learn how to become rich and have sex with virgins. You can teach a boy how to lose his virginity to a man and you can teach a girl how to lose her virginity to a woman but you can't teach grown men how to become rich and have sex with virgins
Even though I disagree with Liz but she definitely win the debate over Adam
Andrew Tate is highly controversial and a disagree with a lot of what he says, but he pushes a line that nobody else will. I respect that.
This is the first time i heard someone actually making a case against tate brothers that really holds weight and I stand with 90% of what Liz was saying here. Bravo lady you nailed it here, tate's hold so much power and logic when it comes to woke politics and no one can stand there ground in front of Tate's because they actually are the antidote for this woke culture but as soon as you get a little away from woke culture and gets to people with traditional values you will see how Tate brothers actually have loads of problematic ideas.
Also tates from two years ago to the date are completely different people they have evolved and alot of ideas they had back then did evolve with them.
This debate was clearly won by this Lady and panel was clearly trying to fight a losing battle where they should have gracefully accepted the wrong in the video.
They are sleaze bags there's videos of them basically catfishing young men online pretending to be women.
you are a loser man, simply a simp.
She didn't make a good case at all. She has totally missed the main message of the Tate brothers and is looking at it from a female lens.
@@joninator7858 I looked at it from the traditional male, and I know if someone did what the Tate's prescribe with my daughter or sister, chances are, I'd get my hands dirty.
Yelling is winning?! 😂😂😂