Mormon Mission President let the missionaries do what?
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whatever.
@@serfardi qqq⁹⁹⁹99⁹
You’re “stories” are utter BS.
“Rules for thee, not for me”
It's insane how much damage religion, faith and "pure" beliefs have caused to people.
It's not about following god, it's just about controlling people.
Is how revolutions start
Always
@@jlash4261huh?
I'm not Mormon, but I'm pretty sure those rules apply across the board.
Once you realize it isn't God making any of these rules, just men using the idea of God to control you, you will reach the next level. Believe in God not religion.
True look into any religion there’s bad things happening in all look at spirituality it actually helps people build a relationship with God and better themselves well that’s what I found
If I could just slide an example in here. Leviticus 25 44-46 lays out laws for owning people as property for their entire life. Like slavery. And I just cant imagine a law so immoral coming from a good god.
@@youtubespag don't forget the context. God had just freed the Hebrews from Egypt. They knew nothing but slavery. There was no word for employer, employee. The words for worker was slave. The word for employer was master.
In Exodus and Leviticus, there were guidelines written bc ppl were treating one another horribly. Just as badly as they had been treated while they had been enslaved-- bc it's ALL THEY KNEW.
These were new guidelines to follow, to get them out of their former patterns.
Leviticus was meant for the Hebrews coming out of generations of brutal slavery- to break old habits, and build new rules for a new society.
The 10 Commandments was God's law.
But the rest is what the Hebrews kept asking for. More and more more guidelines bc they wanted ongoing clarification from God on right/wrong in their new society.
God is a good God who, while frustrated with them, continued to answer all of their most nit picky questions.
Now we have Christ, the one God sent so we don't have to follow this little guideline, that little rule, sacrifice this, honor this and that holy day perfectly, etc.
Christ covers these for us.
God is a good God.
Everything good we know and feel in this world is from God.
@@bodyofhope nah you're mistaking the context. Dont try and call someone you own as property for life and beat an employee. It's a slave. And that's what I'm talking about. Did you know that's what the bible says? Your interpretation is pretty unbiblical bro. Where did it say moses asked god for slaves? I only ask because I've been looking at this context for a while and it's weird to get called out for missing made-up context.
I think it's weird to say jesus told us that we dont have to follow the old rules when he specifically said that those rules were not fulfilled yet, not until heaven and earth no longer exist, then its fulfilled. Since that's not the case his words in matthew indicate the law still stands.
I wouldn't want to be associated or worship a god as horrible as yours. In my opinion religion and god are just a huge nasty cult.
I grew up across the street from a Mormon family. 1 day when I was in high school I was outside washing my dirt bike wearing only shorts and I noticed she kept staring at me. She was pretty cute so I decided to go over and talk to her. Turns out she was a straight freak that was hiding it from her parents. She would sneak out at night to see me or let me sneak into her room through her window. Anyways we're happily married now for 17 years and she is no longer a Mormon thank God.
Gotta love the freakydeaky ones 😊
I use to sneak into to her window to.
She definitely is a freak. She got up on my pipe
@@mikeschilling9706 I wouldn't be surprised. We've been in an open relationship since day 1. We're both freaks
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Hahaha that's a fucking awesome story man
I love it
It seems that these men blame women for their lack of SELF-control. Instead of working on themselves not to be the perverts that they are.
Like a damn cult
No actually would you let your daughter dress like a prostitute or your son dress like a male stripper no common sense when you go to church wear church cloths if you ever read the Bible it clearly states how men should behave along with women and how they should dress but them again if you have horrible parents who don’t know how to educate you big red flags in men and women of psychological trauma are tattoos piercings usually and for any women it’s common sense or men it’s like a hot sexy guy you like going to church in a Speedo or some random woman coming in to church or to your house barely wearing anything I don’t agree with what this elders told her but hey the only people I see who are more like Christ are the Christian’s before anybody says anything about Christian’s I’m talking about the life they lead not people who preach and don’t live the life style
@@michellecannell3621Every thing is a damn cult why do people keep singling out Mormons...🤷🏿♂️
@@ThePowerOfTheD I agree
It makes me wonder, how do they function in regular society with women that don't dress conservatively...🤔
One time the bishop pulled me aside and said I needed to sit out of the young men's and young women's summer water activities because my wet t shirt was tempting the missionaries with impure thoughts. I was 13. I was already self conscious enough, and I was told my body was sinful and then punished for being objectified by them. 🤢
Jesus sounds like taliban style ideology
I am so sorry you experienced that. Hope you're living your best life today! ❤️
@@Winning55hat’s not Jesus 🙄 That’s MEN being pigs. Put the blame where it belongs … MEN
That is sick. I'm sorry a perfectly normal situation turned into condemnation.
That’s awful. Of course he condemns you instead of the missionaries.
My mission president told me that he was going to send me home if I did again.
As an Elder he shouldn't be saying anything sexual to any woman 😒 🙄 dig deeper with her see what you really find 🤔 if she was my daughter I would of went off at that Elder 💯
The church doesn't care. A bishop told me when I was 12 what masturbation was. The predators never suffer consequences with this "religion" /cult
Growing up Mormon and black was one of the hardest things in my younger life.
Why'd your parents do that to you?
@@josephinebournes8212 Probably because they were Mormon and believed in Mormonism, lmao
How would you spiritually identify yourself now or view spiritually as a whole.
When I was 10 , two elders,sent by my cousin,came to our house. Very nice, charming young men. They started teaching us about Mormonism. I remembered that they said the church didn't allow black people to join because they were a "cursed" race. That was mid 60s. Later that was changed. My father didn't buy into their system ,and neither did I -even at 10. My mom was going tbe babtised but changed her mind at the last moment, thankfully. when I was older,I read some of the book of Mormon. I could not believe that it was God's holy scripture, and I found it ridiculous. Not belittling Mormon people, some are good folks. One thing that bothered me was my close friend was out of work and really down on her luck. Her landlord was a Mormon bishop and he sent some women from the church to talk to her and "help"her and her kids, But only if they joined the church and be babtised. She told them that if they were really christian that it wouldn't matter. They promptly left and never came back.
And another thing, her daughter's told me the landlord told them they could go out behind the barn and sunbathe without their bathing suit tops. Didn't sound kosher to me,or the girls, and especially mom.
I went on a mission to Dallas Texas .I have to tell you that was one of the best times of my life.I never have a problem with my mission president but some missionaries were send home because they broke the rules.I have to say the missionary that told you those things is lying. Because Mission Presidents can go home too and nobody get paid to serve
The fact she believed him is beyond me lol. Her entire reasoning is warped and twisted. She just wants to excuse herself for sin
You're living in a fantasy world. Stuff like what this women has said has been reported all over, but the church keeps it quiet. Your mission may have been great for you, but there are plenty of missionaries who are in therapy because of the trauma from their missions that was neglected. The church doesn't take care of its missionaries enough, and there are plenty of people who get to offices like mission president that break the rules you believe in.
@@chlyriyou completely misunderstood what he said. He didn't say anything of the sort. As far as what you are talking about, you are over dramatizing and sensationalizing the rare occasions that this happens. Can it happen? Yes, but 99% of the time it does not.
@jackburton9371 I'm not doing anything of the sort. You are underplaying it either because you don't hear about it, or because you're loyal to the church and want to defend it.
@@chlyri you are not objective in your reasoning and clearly are over-sensationalizing the rare occurrences when and if it does happen. You make it sound like rule and not the exception. Regardless, the lds church does not sanction or condone bad behavior from their missionaries or mission presidents. Most anti-mormon apologists do this and are not honest with their assessments of the lds faith.
I got in trouble for my naturally pink lips was stumbling young men in the congregation as one of Jehovah’s Witness-so I needed to wear a lighter lipstick at the age of ten so I didn’t stumble the brothers wtf 😳
Awful!
That's so gross
Religion has caused so much unbelievable harm and suffering. Especially to women.
Stumble?
@@thomasmitchell4128
Yep that’s how Jehovah’s Witnesses viewed it . The girls always stumbled the men/boys smh
When I first arrived in my mission area I was asked if I had an ongoing relationship. I laughed and said I had broken up with all of them before I left. It was a bit of a joke because I wasn't seriously dating anyone, but they wanted to be more serious with me. I didn't want that stress so I just let all the guys I was seeing know. Well, my mission presidents wife asked me two more times if I was seeing anyone. I had sudden health problems ( I ended up having to go home and haven't recovered five years later) and it was a big deal for some reason that I had mentioned a guy I had liked to my sister training leader. They thought I was lying about being in a relationship. She even went as far as to CALL MY MOM and ask if had a secret relationship I wasn't telling them about. It made the stress of having to deal with a horrible mystery illness that much worse. There were even rumors in the mission that I went home to get married. I don't have a good explanation as to why they thought this. I didn't talk to any guy more than I needed to and didn't even have a mission crush. I don't think the ultimate answer is for leadership to stay out of people's romantic/sexual lives, but it sure would have helped me. The church and all it's toxicity it encourages need to die
That's quite disturbing how some individuals had gone to extreme extents to build a case against you, when there was no case anyway.
It reeks of fanaticism and contributes to the church's hemorrhaging of its members.
Are you prettier than average? Sometimes misogynists think all pretty women are promiscuous or something
@@PrincessMicrowave I consider myself a butterface. I have the "in" body type, but you couldn't tell with the missionary clothes I wore. I don't even have a "great" personality, but a few people really like it. The mission president's wife was just bonkers. She was the mission nurse despite having no medical training at all, and would only let me see a gyno because she was convinced I had anemia. I was only allowed one visit and then told I had to make the decision to stay or go home even though I was not improving after weeks and the gyno had found nothing wrong with my iron. I also believe she coached my replacement missionary to ask me if I had a boyfriend and ask why I was REALLY going home.
You’re in a cult
@@VENENOSEASON I now know it's hard to tell when you're in a cult, so I may be in a cult and not realize it. However, I'm not religious or a member of the LDS church any more!
And that's the story of how I got this tattoo on my neck
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?!?? What does a tattoo have to do with anything? Pretty weak comment.
I watched an elder flirting with my friend, she thought he loved her. He didn't, when he went back to America, he sent her a card with his wedding photo, she nearly killed herself, she's no longer a member
@@angryarmadillogaming7863 I think it's the fact he's flirting...but still mentioning they were an elder doesn't add or subtract from the story so it's fine, I mean he was an elder so it's just a fact of the story, why so defensive? It's not like she named this person or dropped his address or something
@@angryarmadillogaming7863 except that it is a common missionary tactic to flirt with female investigators to get them to baptism. "flirt to convert" is a well-known expression among Mormon young people
@@heartgirl40 still the womans problem. Need to grow thicker skin.
@@devianadkar7969 tell me you've never been emotionally manipulated into joining a cult without telling me... 🙄
@@angryarmadillogaming7863 definitely not strictly a joke. I've seen it happen in real time while working home security direct sales. A lot of mormon guys are cute and they know it. I wouldn't for a second put it past some 18yr-old on a very low-performing mission to use charm and insinuated romantic interest to bump up their numbers
Any religious authorities shouldn't be involved with people's sexual lives it is super creepy af
lol seem to miss the point of religion then
All "RELIGION" is made by man.
The word comes from the Greek word RELIGAIR MEANING TO BIND OR TIE UP. You need a personal relationship with the lord. Not a man made religion.
To be fair they call the missionary boys elders
@@michaelnolan5706 All these religious started after the destruction of the Tower of Babel where God said a spirit down to confuse the languages among the people after they tried to build a tower into heaven to overthrow God's kingdom .
You can read about this in the book of Jasher .
This was a book that was in our Bibles but was removed because the Roman Catholic Church thought it wasn't important enough for us to know about it .
Even though the book of Joshua mentions the book jasher .
After the languages were confused, people divided up went to different parts of the country and started building God's made of their own hands and bowing down to them .
Each new God came a new religion. Therefore they started worshiping created rather than the creator .
They were doing this when went Paul at Athens They had a god on every corner and a religion and Paul said I see you Men are very religious. They even had a temple built to our unknown god in case they miss one and it was there that Paul preached the messiah being the unknown God to them .
If you get a chance, please read the book of Jasper, it feels in a lot of missing pieces.
@@michaelnolan5706 The lord of earthly origin is written with a small initial letter, while the Heavenly Lord, or God, is written with a capital letter. It clearly defines who it is, whether just a person, a gentleman/mister/lord/gent/sir or the Creator of the world. But you are very right about religion, just different clubs, some more criminal than others. But the majority are against God and the Bible.
As a former missionary in the Mormon church, I’m gonna say bullshit. No mission president is going to tell you to keep it a once a week.
exactly! She is so full of it on so many of her excuses
As a missionary you’re going to day “bullshit” I call bullshit on your language sir.
@@cassandrapeters4980 my “language”? You’re worried about my “language”? Well if the word bullshit offends you…. Good. You need to be offended. My faith does not define my language. My previous experiences are not defined by my language. If it is bullshit, I call it bullshit. And I think you’re full of bullshit.
And no blogger is going to lie....
@@michaelkatz7862 but…. I thought they were all honest.
I had a Mormon friend who invited me to a party at church once. I try to be open minded and supportive so I went. Before the party, we had to listen to a service. Separated by boys and girls. Don't know what the boys got, but us girls were given a speech all about our appearances, how to look and dress and such, and it just really didn't sit right with me.
Oh a dance it’s the same for boys and girls it’s just to make sure you dress appropriate because it is still churchy. they stopped splitting them up
@@lulutaylor8962… and you think that’s normal????? You’re saying it like it’s NBD.
@@lillymurray8408 ya it is a CHURCH dance every one should dress appropriate just like how people dress nice for church
Whenever I talk about modesty standards. I always emphasize the males.
@@crazydragy4233 I LITERALLY said they don’t separate them and in stead of disrespecting my religion that you clearly don’t believe in, you could maybe me educated on the subject before starting beef
I grew up in a Mormon church I left cause a lot of the adults took the side of (the girl’s step dad) guy over the girl (about 15 maybe younger) when she came out about him SA, abusing and raping her. And I’m gonna put it this way her mother knew she was telling the truth cause she knew things she wouldn’t of known otherwise. Worst part she had a restraining order against him (btw he had 6 kids with the mom most under the age of 6) but because it was church grounds they didn’t imply it in there and allowed him in the same building which was very small for a church worst part (I was 9 when this came out) I would be standing next to her and he would come up stand next to me (she’s standing the other side of me) or across from her and start talking to someone either next to her or across from us and no one did anything but put all the blame on her for how she dressed and acted like she was the one in the wrong for saying anything like it was all her fault and tbh for years after you could see how much this affected her like she had to leave the church which she didn’t want to but she couldn’t deal with him harnessing her basically in the church but because it was on “church” grounds that made it okay apparently. Sorry this still bothers me for people who say they accept everyone and don’t judge man they judged her they made the entire situation way worse by how they treated her how they didn’t do anything and then try to tell me I was the one in the wrong when I had a go at him about harassing her and how he was a rapist at 13 only time I’ve ever sworn in a church Ngl so yer and this was in Ireland it’s messed up
I'm so sorry that your friend had to go threw that. I don't understand why any adult would blame the child for soemthing like that. Then the mom allowing him to come around knowing that he was SA her child. as a mm that breaks my heart. we arw suppose to protect our babies. Our kids are our future. I hope that she had gotten help. And I beleiwv that she can still open a case on him. He deserves to be locked up. I hope he isn't doing it to his younger kids or their kid now.
most religious institutions can turn into abusive cults
hence why I'm teaching my child her religion is between her and God... she doesn't need no priest or whatever to "guide" her.
My sister told me that some of the older men in young mens raped her in a church building and nobody believed her. This was all kept quiet from everyone. Soon after she chose to move to my moms since she needed to get away. I wouldn’t have believed her if it hadn’t been for the fact that the young mens sister was sa’ing me at that time. We had twin cousins who sa’d her too and it just went down the line. When you keep things so hush-hush and make people feel deep shame for being taken advantage of by an entire community if people you don’t recover. She is still an addict and is stuck in a cycle of abusing herself. My father was also physically, mentally, and emotionally abusive to us. When he got remarried to our step mom contributed by tacking on some deep narc/co-dependent issues. My whole family on both sides is actually really messed up but Mormonism them keeps them “modest.”
very sad situation, especially to the young people that I brought up in the Cult.
The church of god restoration based out of Ohio is a newer cult of a bow 2500 members it’s a mixture of Amish and Mormons.
They just had a case two months ago or one of the members was convicted to six months in prison for abusing his stepdaughter.
I had a I forget her title but she was the leader of the women's meetings in my church, she told me her step father had raped and sexualy abused her for years, and she had to watch him go to temple like other men as though he was worthy for years, when I first joined the church and wlearnef about going to the temple and what was required, I actually believed that sinners would be thrown out as though some Good made force field wouldn't allow them to enter..... How wrong I was. Humans are corrupt, evil, horrid things. I now know in my heart that while I believe in a Heavenly father, as soon as he gave those plates to Joseph Smith, they became as corrupted and vile as man is, and women.
President Hinckley said to not do it.
The amount of damage purity culture did to me is wild. So glad I walked away, but the trauma remains 🙃
@Jacob Prather Explain what? Why? I don't owe you my trauma story. If you have a specific question there are polite ways to ask, rather than ambiguously demand.
I am an author. My books are highly praised and Ive been writing since I was 10. I look back to those years when my parents forced me to go to church, which I didnt even believe in, my writing reflected biased values. Now that Im older, I see how its all so fucked up.
Thanks for sharing! 🤗 you never know... your comment could get someone out of the culture or not convert to it in the first place.
@Jacob Prather your opinion on my experiences has no bearing on the validity of them. You are not entitled to anyone's trauma, and it is not your place to judge whether they are legitimate or not. The fact that you think you are owed my trauma so *you* can judge *my* trauma is both incredibly self righteous and, frankly, disgusting. I am not an exploited oddity for you to gawk at for your amusement.
You did put your dirty laundry out there.
To ask about more information is not an unheard of request.
I had a hairdresser once who was raised in the Mormon church. She left after she started reading her bible.
Ha! I did the same!!
@@novamouy17 good for you!
Sadly, my daughter, who was raised Christian, even attended Christian school from preschool through high school, just converted to LDS. Her dad and I are heartbroken. She even tried to hide it. She never lied to us before. This has put a huge wedge in our relationship.
@NV Nurse I'm so very sorry! It's hard to watch the young-uns lose their way & refuse to listen. But she'll be back. There's some really far out there things I got a feeling she'll reject. When you learn that the men are taught if they're "holy" enough, they can be god of their own planet, it's a bit hard to swallow when you know the One True God. There are other things she probably doesn't know yet too. They don't tell you the deal-breakers until they have you good already. I had a friend who was going to convert and was one day away from their baptism. Then she found out some of the requirements for singles to be able to attend temple & she was LIVID! She accused them of trying to trick her into drinking the kool-aid.
@@NottaTroll27 just keep praying for her. The seed of the truth of the word of God is in her. God will work in her and she will know him. But it is a battle that needs to fought against the lies of the enemy.
It’s a process of elimination over time. This missionary could of been doing it everyday and the mission President was challenging him to cut down frequency and then ultimately stop doing it. It’s hard to go cold turkey and in most cases you are setting yourself for failure. If you can cut it back once a week you can cut it back once a month. I’d you can cut it back once a month you can ultimately cut it out entirely. Baby steps…
Just because you can doesn’t mean you should. Masturbation is natural and perfectly healthy. Scientifically speaking getting people to completely cut out masturbation, especially during puberty and young adulthood, can be expressly harmful. What an utterly pointless and stupid thing to constrain with pontificating shaming doctrines
But why would you? It makes no sense.
Walk away. I did after 40 years. Jesus loves you.
So happy to hear this message, Thankyou ❤️
My bishop “bishop Paulson” used to take me into his office and ask if I was sexually active yet and if I was using profanity. I would always say no to everything he was so creepy and I used to hate going in there without my dad.
I understand your concern for this. I'm struggling with getting past some stuff and I'm leaving on my mission soon and I'm thinking that I'm not worthy because of the mistakes I've made and future mistakes that I can make on my mission. I'm scared that if I make a single mistake, it'll all come crashing down. That I've failed.
Please take care of your mental health. You are your own biggest advocate. Trust yourself to do what's right for you, and stand up to anyone who doesn't have your best interest in mind. Good luck.
The sexualization of a woman is not HER problem. It's the problem of the person doing the sexualization, ESPECIALLY, if the woman is just being human. Ex. There's nothing sexual about wearing leggings to a beach. Clearly the person sexualizing you in those scenarios is the one that needs to work on how they view women.
I notice the double standard: she only missed out that both genders had the same advice (at least I assume so).
Okay but leggings are inherently sexual. If you disagree you are just objectively wrong.
So wearing tights essentially and then having a problem when someone else either looks at you a certain way or makes comments is a problem. Like let’s be honest you don’t wear leggings because they are way more comfortable then regular sweatpants or other clothing.
When I got married and when we had our first kid we were called into The Bishop's office and he was telling us that our marriage date and the birth of our kid didn't line up it wasn't a full 9 months and they wanted to make us go to all these classes and all this other garbage from that point on I had nothing but a bitter taste
Such a familiar story. I left the church at 17. But I didn't leave God.
I’ve had some inappropriate things happen to me and priesthood interviews. Now that I’m older and wiser, if something like what you described happened to me, I would call that bishop to repentance right there in his office.
There are so many priesthood leaders in the church that abuse their authority.
@@mariabunch3541 I'm so sorry that happened to you.
@@mariabunch3541 no, they abuse you. They have no authority, they are ciminals, sex offenders. Go after them, fight them!
The word of God say let you life so shines that people who see you and glory God.
I was going to invent a full on chauvinistic religion till I realized we already have one.
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Form a sect around a code of conduct that encourages men to be respectful of women, and vice versa. If we can start respecting one another again we can change a lot
@@Darqshadow that would be one of many ancient Goddess religions. Which are now viewed by mainstream as "Satanic". Satan belongs to Christianity, and has never left it
Most people who know what the Bible teaches can’t even stand to be in a church.
It's one of the most twisted books I've ever had shoved down my throat.
Stop this. Mormons jehovah witness are not Christians. They're disguised as one
@@suzie55 You need to stop. When ‘the church’ is made up of true followers of the word of god, every Christain sect, to include Catholics, Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses, all of them are rejected by god. This is because they reject the commands of Moses and instead listen to the edicts of the pope of Rome who for two thousand years has taught that the commands are only for the Jews. Jesus said, “Keep the commands.”
@John Trenn Mormons amd jehovah witnesses are not Christians. Period. That's why most countries don't recognize them as a religion. It is a cult. Don't sit here and tell me. My people are still dying for being Christian. These are falsified beliefs to distract and whitewash the faith.
@@suzie55 The first Christians were so named because they followed Christ. Since adopting the rulings of the Council of Nicaea in 323 ad, Chrixstains have departed from the way of the truth and instead lap at the feet of the Great Harlot who is Rome. For me, as one who guards the truth of the word, I do not find comfort being identified as ‘Christian’.
It’s really great that she’s making better choices now. Nothing turns your life around like a neck tattoo.
Tattoos like the heathens mark their bodies! An ABOMINATION in the eyes of the Lord!
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Lol Mormon dude sounds pressed
Don't let other peoples distortion of the faith destroy your faith
At some point, the avalanche of these stories -- the ubiquity of them -- you have to ask yourself if the problem is the faith itself.
She has a tattoo obviously she left the church !
I absolutely appreciate your statement I am not knocked off my square. The elders and her message is twisted and if no one sees it then wisdom doe not live in your heart. Thank you for the encouragement.
Jehovah and Mormon or disguises. They are not Christians. They are cults
Is it a distortion? Actions matter far more then words ever have…..
My stepdads words when I was leaving for mission” make sure to return with honor coz if you don’t I’ll disown you!,,, & gave me a hug as I walked off with my suitcase,,,,😢😢
I thought the church preached unconditional love. But you are threatened with being disowned. I'm so sad. You should be cherished.
You be who you are...regardless.
That’s terrible! He’s obviously confused about the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Your stepdad hasn't done enough research on the Mormon church.
Mormons are great people I have lived In Salt Lake several times I love it there and no I am not Mormon .
Lol you love it there BECAUSE you're not Mormon. Did the whole purpose of this channel just fly right over your head?
They try to put on the appearance of being perfect and cheerful, and they aggressively suppress any members that hurt the image, even if they aren't "bad" themselves and only harm the image by being victim to something screwed up. You've only met ones that fit the image.
You straight and white?
Doomsday mom Lori Vallow in Chad Daybell was Mormon go figure there whole group was missed up
It is religious ppl that have made sex such an issue. The book of song of Solomon is nothing but sex. When you read the bible you realize sex in not a tabbo or something to be embarrassed of. We are sexual in nature. We must rule our sexuality not be controlled by it, suppressing your self with shame and condemnation is still being controlled by it.
Actually it's the 12th century....
When it comes down to a lot of the world's conflicts right now everything Originates from the 12th century.
12 centuries when marriage became a concept.
12th century is when the Moore's society invaded Sicily creating the animosity between Europe and Africa.
The 12th century is when Africa forced Greeks to worship black gods.
The 12th century is when what you can describe as the race to create the world church started.
The 12th century is when the days of the week were created.
And even that was done in a level of disrespect.
Because technically Wednesday is the 1st day translates into odin day.
Sunday is the 4th day of the week meaning the day in which the Lord created light.
Tuesday Tuesday is the son of odin I forget his name but he also represents the sky and war.
And the purpose for that is to basically tell everybody whether they believe in God or not if they didn't Practice the Catholic denomination And they worship the Lord on any other day than Sunday then they would be worshipping a false God.
The 12th century is when christians separated themselves from the Catholic's.
I mean really if you want to know all the truths and get past all the lies when it comes down to church governments and world order just look at the 12th century it answers all your questions.
@@Tetrodotoxic1 much happened in the 12th century but NOT EVERYTHING happened then
The Song of Solomon was written for his future wife.
There's nothing taboo about se× in Scripture. But Scripture is clear that it was made for marriage. Outside of that is blasphemy and desecration of your physical temple and your spiritual temple (your relationship with God).
Self control is a fruit of the spirit. Build on your spiritual relationship with the Father, and you'll learn to control your flesh- and your life will prosper.
Sex is natural and normal human function for people of any age. God has more important things to worry about
@@markrieke8753 that doesn't mean there are developmental levels of human sexuality. it also doesn't mean one shouldn't learn how to comport oneself, especially when it comes to sex.
Grew up a JW and Mormons and JW’s are a lot alike in many ways. Left when my dad died because all his platelets were fd due to a rare lymphoma and the elders stood by his hospital bed telling him he could at that point accept bone marrow which had been against the rules but still couldn’t accept platelets. Told my mom after his funeral that until someone can make any of that make since logically, I’ll never go back. Been 15 years now.
Good 👍🏻 organised religions are BS
The problem with Mormonism is that it is a works-based religion. Works will only dig you deeper away from eternity with the Creator of the universe.
The nuns at my school punished anyone if their uniform was not as long as their skirt 🙄 It felt like we were on a convent.
You know, I really think this all depends on where you're living. I grew up in a family of LDS members, however my immediate family wasn't. My mom smoked, my grandma and a couple aunts smoked, they gambled and drank occasionally. But then there were the other Aunts and Uncles that were extremely active in the church. They never treated anyone differently. Even my highly active Uncle and Aunt put in a space heater in their garage at Christmas for the family that smoked. Oh, and I decided to go to church on and off when I was between 25 and 35. Different churches. My boyfriend and I had a son, lived together and was welcomed and treated like family at the 1st church. We ended up getting married by the Bishop. There's more to the story that contradicts how people expect them to behave. Anyway, we moved to Washington and decided to try out the local church. It was awesome. The Elders and Sisters were AMAZING!!! OH! And guess what, I always wore dress pants to church. Dresses make me uncomfortable. The ladies just said, "Hey! You might start a new trend!" I always said, " The Lord doesn't mind what I wear as long as it's appropriate. He cares that I actually made it." I'd probably have continued to go, except my social and anxiety disorder finally got too bad. I'm still working on it.
I do acknowledge that there are areas were they go way too far in their judgment. Not realizing that judgment against others in itself is sinful.
Great comment! I really appreciate you sharing your experience as someone with a perspective from sort of outside the bubble. Glad your extended family and ward families have been inviting and welcoming.
Glad you've had a good experience even if it's not the case for other people
@@lamoskgr You're very right. It's not the case for everyone. It's extremely unfortunate that different "bubbles" do things their own way. When the Church should act as one unit. But it doesn't. No religion does though if you think about it. There is good and bad in all. Some don't take it seriously enough, while others take it way too seriously. Yet, they're all supposed to be part of the same religion. Or at least, Christianity. So, for me personally I've decided that I'm just going to be the best person I can be. I know I'll make mistakes, but God knows me. Isn't that what really matters? The LDS Church isn't horrible, it's certain circumstances that can make it that way. Just like every other religion, job, school, etc. How we deal with them and react is what matters. Continue by being the best person you can be, pray wherever you want to, after all the entire world is God's house right? And don't let others determine who you are.
Mormons are a cult. Period!
So glad you had a positive experience, and an open , loving family. True christian hearts. Bad things can happen in any church..
I served a Mormon mission and my mission president would not be ok with this report. Leadership, and leaders are human and they do not all run the programs the same! Think for yourself! It's not the leaders at fault here, it's the individual. The church is not this leader.
The church as a whole has some sick obsession with people's sex lives, though.
I did not hear a word she said couldn't stop staring at the fly tattoo on her neck then realized it's an eye
Me too!
This 🤦
I thought it was a hairy mole.
That an occult tattoo. The All Seeing Eye of the Babylonian mystery school religions.
I felt the same.....
The church’s position on maturation has relaxed dramatically and it is for the better.
Yep if we dressed nice and we’re nice to anyone we were flirting and trying to get another husband. Yet men can cheat, lie and never be punished. They do no wrong but we can just by being nice🤷♀️
That’s the world
leaving is always an option
@@suemason4318you clearly aren’t older that’s 12 if you think someone can just “leave” a religious cult. delusional
@@suemason4318 Have you ever heard about how a cult operates?? It's not nearly as simple as that when your entire life, family and friends are in the cult. Leaving means cutting off contact with everyone you love, and starting your entire life again from scratch.
@@suemason4318 as it is not that simple in the Mormon church. I was baptized and they follow you. I moved to an entirely new state and they still found me.
Your self pleasure is non of their freaking business ❤
amen
Nothing in scripture about masterbation.
You tell me girl, your dead right me love 💝
Once a week don't sound bad
Once a week? Damn. Insecure men trying to regain control
What pisses me off the most is when girls are told to dress modestly because - someone actually said this to my daughter - "we need to help the young men keep their thoughts clean and pure."
What 🐎💩
Blaming the victim, or someone else for your lack of self-control.
That is out of line. That is despicable in the sight of our Lord. I’m a member in Australia and have never heard such a thing. 😢
Don’t believe everything on the Internet.
@@apollo8688 except for these Mormon horror stories. They're the truth
@@carmensandiego7749 I’ll be the 1st to admit that members of the church are people. And people can be bad people. No matter the religion. That’s the person. Not the faith. I have my own stories that I keep to myself. This channel is dedicated to tearing down the faith by assuming that the people represent the faith. Any issues I’ve had within the church has nothing to do with my faith. It has everything to do with assholes. Every religion on the planet, throughout the history of time, has had to deal with assholes within the physical body of the church.
As a returned missionary I find it hard to believe that a mission president would say such a thing.
I have also noticed people come on this channel that are not actual members of the church. They are members of the FLDS or other organizations. People that have never been active in the church after being baptized are reaching the age of 12. This is what you call an anti-Mormon channel.
@@apollo8688 I think it's a matter of semantics to substitute the word faith in there. I'm really tired of the it's the people that are flawed and not the church or the gospel or the faith. All of those things were created by people and are also flawed. I have no trouble believing that a mission president said that. And again, if any adult asks my kids about masturbation, I would call the police and try to press perversion charges. And bishops do this to kids all the time. And I don't think that people commenting on here are FLDS. They're ex- LDS saying why they left honestly. Naturally the church will declare this is an anti-LDS channel. But since you brought it up, all you gotta do is look at the FLDS people and how they're living to see what Joseph Smith originally had in mind. Plural marriage only stopped so that Utah could become a state abiding by the laws of the United States, correct?. And many fled to Mexico at the time, such as the family of Mitt Romney. And one of the head guys from the FLDS is in jail for child rape and trafficking. Nuf said. Too much said. You know all this is true. Therefore the church isn't. In fact, one way to tell it is a cult is everyone having to repeat that it's true. Have you ever attended the Sunday services in any other faith? You never hear that. They don't have to testify that their faith is the one true faith because it's not even as issue. Never heard that until I heard people giving their testimonies in this "faith". And "faith", by the way, means believing something which cannot be proven true. If you know something is true, that by definition is NOT what faith is.
@@carmensandiego7749 first the FLDS is not the Mormon church. And please do not talk about Mitt Romney and the Mormon church at the same time. He is a disgrace as a human. Also, I am not representing the church when I say this is an anti-LDS channel. All they do on this channel is spread misinformation and lies. They tell a little bit of truth and then they throwing something that’s absolutely bullshit. Further, the LFLDS does not represent have the church used to be. They take some of the principles, and then make up their own. The LDS church claims to have representation from Jesus Christ himself. You don’t believe that? fine. I don’t need your belief to be secure in my faith. “Nuff said”. I grew up as a southern Baptist. I’ve been to Catholic services. I have attended Seventh-day Adventists services. I’ve shared my faith and other’s have shared with me. I’m not overly concerned with other people being in another religion. It’s not what you believe. It’s that you believe. And you allow others that same privilege. And you hear everything in every religion church services. There are differences of course.
People who push an anti-religion agenda, like you are, are typically people who have committed sins, feel guilty about it, but refused to repent. Is that you? Or are you one of those people who have never fit in and feel the need to have revenge against God? Does not matter. it does not matter because I do not need your permission to have my faith. I don’t have to prove it to you. I don’t have to show it to you. I have to live by it. And I do that for me.
This is an anti-Mormon channel. There are anti-Mormon books. There are anti-Mormon videos. You can call it a cult all you want. It doesn’t change anything. You’re a sad person. And I’m sad for you.
If you're being "controlled" beyond reason by your religion, run.
She is smarter than she's been allowed to believe.
She laughed at the idea- still does. Girl you got this
lol... ignorance is bliss
Or she freaking needs attention ...badly total bs stuck to make up pictorials for real
The tattoo placement 😫😫😫
I came to the comments to see this, it’s so bad 😬
Its giving spider
It's a dust sprite , from a cool japanese animated movie , cool little tattoo -not such a cool placement
@@zdd22fixes47 go take your meds
Oh I loved it
If people would only search the Bible humbly with a teachable spirit, God would lead them into all truth and away from all these fallen churches.
All churches are fallen. Why? Because they are made up of humans. All have fallen short ...
So we are all going to act like she doesn't have the worst placed tattoo in history?
It's very horrible. I didn't want to say anything.
She belongs to a whole a
Other group with that tattoo, her or we not allowed complain about this group ... But she wouldn't dare say anything that not in their agenda... coz they watching
Eye dont see it. Eye don’t know what you are talking about.
@@saltychip5718eye see what you did there
It's the all-seeing eye of Osiris, an ancient Egyptian pagan cult. She's in more than one cult. 😮
I honestly know guys who would sleep with girl after girl then a week later be sent on a mission and if the girl said anything she was not just punished but humiliated especially in a midwestern ysa ward of 25 people
He wouldn't be allowed to serve... if he had been honest. There are so many misconstrued notions about the "mormons"
@@nicoleallen2058 not where I’m from. I watched it happen over and over. Now live in ut, two years ago was assaulted when I found out my own bishopric memeber was having an affair (on temple square). It’s jacked
🇬🇧❤️ brave young woman, speaking out against a predator.
The cult is the predator
My mission president once gave me an assignment to keep a guy on his mission and not have him go home for one or another reason. Everybody has sin in their lives, let he who has no sin cast the first stone. The guy that I was a companion to finish his mission and went on with his life.
The reverend Jimmy Swaggart has always been my moral compass for living a clean unadulterated life. Kennth Copeland and his wife Gloria were always there to help me with my masturbation issues. When the urge took over, all I had to do to squelch it was think of Kenneth and Gloria. Worked every time.
I tried reading the bible several times, but I couldn't get past all the incest, murder, and violence 😳
You should keep going! And just so you understand, these accounts are the lives people led. All of it. Why put in just the pretty parts? What’s truthful about that? These actions are put in to show human nature at its worst without God. And it should be said these actions are condemned by God. Literally, before Gods teachings, anything went. The Ten Commandments are historically speaking, the first time that anyone said Stop doing these hateful things!! Check it out, don’t just dismiss it. So that’s the point: man without God is a joke as far as morality. If you don’t believe that, how can you go through life with your eyes and ears shut? Bless you!
No matter what people say in defense of the LDS church, you can not defend the indefensible! Joseph Smith was a practitioner in the occult. That is a fact of history!
Let me tell ya about these corrupt LDS elders ….. well it would be a long post 😂
Honesty is a thing of the past.
My first wife's first 3 sexual experiences were all with different Morman elders. The first was when she was 12. He was 20.
Any organization or institution that has “elders” needs to be looked at with great suspicion
Tbh "elders" are usually 18-19
nursing homes have gotta go! you heard skankhunt (great name btw)
Jesus's Church had Elders. As it still does today. Elder is and sister is what their called on a mission.
This Story is Bogus. Or the Elder she is talking about lied to her. You have to follow the words of wisdom when on your mission or for a Temple Recomend. She knows this. Backbiting is not what the Lord wants. For whatever reason she is Butt hurt over something and trying to hurt people she doesn't even know. Also forgiveness is Divine. None of us are perfect no matter what church you go to or don't. We should all seek the truth. None of us is above God the Father. As such we should strive to be less like ourselves everyday and more like Jesus. I hope you find what your looking for. But you won't find it this way in negative connotations. I'll be praying for you Sis. Also don't let one incident or one person's action control your life. You can be stronger than that.
TBF, everything should be done in moderation. Not saying that should be 1x/wk, but wether it be alcohol, work, sex, TV, etc., excess of anything is bad.
Sends the message that a woman’s value is in her body and to a man it’s 100% right. No real man wants the cupcake everyone’s already touched. Amazing even these women think sleeping around is somehow freedom and empowering
things have changed since my mission. we were not allowed at all. I think I did it twice my whole mission and felt so guilty
it is love that makes people beautiful
This is so beyond yuck! Those men should all be jailed for this abuse.
I'm so proud of this young lady for speaking out!!
Religion isn't about what's right, what's fair or consistent. It's about control. Who's got it, and who's it over.
I was brought up catholic and the guilt trip was terribly brutal. I feel that the Mormon rules are far more ridiculous cuz there aren't conditions. religious or not, if you believe, do what you do and don't allow others to size you up.
Name three bad things about being a Catholic
Lol I thought I was going to hell for doing it once when i was 12...... I was told it was OK, and everyone does it..... WTF!!! (Bishop)
THIS ONE FUCKING BURNS. I'm not a female, but I hated myself for most of my childhood for masturbation and the idea of sexual sins being near the level of MURDER. I ended up leaving in highschool with the mental damage that belief caused me being one of the huge reasons why I did, but if I were to have heard that shit on my mission after having gone through that experience, it probably would have broken me. Like DOESN'T THAT SHIT MEAN YOU'RE EVIL???? ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU PEOPLE ALWAYS SAID??? Cognitive dissonance turned to 100%, the world wouldn't have made sense anymore lol. This healing is going to take years 🫠
Keep sharing these stories, they need to be told
I agree, we need to destroy the patriarchy if we are to live in peace. I personally believe marriage should be illegal unless you're a minority. We don't understand them.
@@bmc9504 le epic troll
As absurd as all religions are, Mormonism takes the top stop when it comes to getting people to believe complete nonsense.
You should familiarize yourself with the Jehovah's witnesses.
Scientology takes the cake.
Don’t leave faith completely but definitely come out of Mormonism!
Your mission president was wrong to have said that. Imperfect men make mistakes.
I wonder how they feel about “Soaking” that is going on at BYU?
What is "soaking"? I got kicked out (actually it was mutual) of BYU. 🤣
WTF is soaking or what y'all be soaking
@@carolemdiaz4747 Google it?
@@mintzworks thanks. What a waste just go ahead and do the damn thing 😜
Soaking?
Some people just can't conceive that a male church leader could possibly lie.. countless times I saw inappropriate behavior on the part of church leaders, then they throw out the same line "people aren't perfect, but the gospel is".. every.time. It's good this girl found out at a young age instead of waiting decades like I did!
As long as you drink Mountain Dew and not coffee you’re good
Yep! They must own interest in Pepsi now, too.
Ummmm why....it has more caffeine than coffee. Ridiculous
@@robertlee7128exactly 🤦♀️
Don't forget those energy drinks!
Guilt is fuel for the cult’s survival. If you can keep them guilty and afraid, you can keep them in the system.
There is no "religion" they're all cults indoctrinating people. If "gods" exist and they are omnipotent they would have no need for worship in the form that we do it. This would imply agreed and lust for glory and many human traits that a being of energy would have no need for so this is all lies regardless of the religion. That is not spirituality to seek redemption through material possessions. If God is everywhere and everything you don't need austenticious temples and churches you can worship in a field or anywhere really so long as you truly connect to the source you'd get redemption. It's not about submission it's about consciousness
Most religions preach that women dressing modestly should be encouraged
I had a good friend who's a Mormon. And he told me it is the most anti-female religion.
Nope. Her mission president never told her, that elder, or anyone that. Not a chance.
The next time you think “xxxx authority figure would never do that!” Yes, yes they would.
And you know that how?
How do you know , show proof.
cope harder
?
I found a catholic girl who did all the prayers, she taught catechism, fasting, every week church girl. Her room was like the shrine and a church with all those rosaries, candles, we are together for 7 years and the church duties went out the window. She doesn't even pray or go church anymore.
There is a real reason I left the church over 20 yrs ago
My baptism was delayed because I admitted a little self control issue. The next week I lied. That is when I learned that discernment wasn't really that accurate.
Lol!! Never heard that rule before. Everybody’s at different levels. Church is true 💪🏾😎🙏🏾
Abstinence isn't about denial, its about conserving sexual energy. That saved energy can be used for many things, mainly meditation. Its not a bad thing to overindulge nor is it a good thing depending on your meditation.
I have been repenting from sexual immorality. So far it has been 4 1/2 months since I quit.
Since you quit repenting? Good for you!
I've been a member my entire life. I served a mission. I've never heard such nonsense. I also wear leggings. She needs to listen to God more than the personal opinions of the people she goes to church with.
Tell that to your leaders 🤷🏻♀️
STAY STRONG! ❤️
It’s always difficult to listen to those who no longer believe the simplest of truths spur their hatred in the for of blatant false statements and pretend these things are true
Never allow ANYONE to keep you from your relationship with your Messiah. I don’t care if my bishop, stake president, mission president etc came to me and told me the church is not true, I would never let that take away my testimony of my Savior and his church.
Child abuse comes in many different forms. This is the most heinous abuse. The parents need to be arrested and these kids need to be rescued from these cults.
Telling a 13 to dress more modest and age appropriate is not “cult-like” and I’m appalled that you think throwing people in jail for telling a 13 year old to cover up is ridiculous. You want parents in with murderers, rapists, and gang bangers for being a responsible parent? Do you realize how many men are raped in prison? Guessing you have never been to jail or prison. Responsible parenting is not a crime. Telling your 13 to cover up is far from “child abuse”. It’s called learning/ teaching self respect and decency. We’re talking 13, not 30.
They are being groomed for submission and marriage at age 14. Which is statutory rape.
@@AC-ju5yu omg no. No, they are not. Wow.
@Cynical Cindy So you support 14 year old girls marrying the elders, which equals rape. Feel sorry for your kids.
Still a cult
This is a HUGE exception, and NOT the rule! Those "once s week" elders should have been sent packing, and returned home with dishonorable releases!!!
"dishonorable releases"
I see what you did there....
I don't know when this supposedly happened but I know that in my mission this was most definitely the case. This was a mission terminating issue in my time (late 80s/early 90s)
That means the mission president is probably doing it, too! 😂
Lol yeah good point! 😂
I am a Christian and love Jesus but this is why I hate organized religion!
Let's be real, there's a direct correlation between women wearing revealing clothes and the downfall of countries
No, no, it's earthquakes! Cleavage causes earthquakes. Probably volcanic eruptions too lol
As a former Mission Secretary I will say that if these young people want to invent or find a reason to excuse their own problems, they will. And they tend to fit in with like minded people. I know allot about the behind the scenes of a Mission. Two years worth. And I have friends who used to be that girl. A Mission President try’s to save a Missionary. Not for the Mission’s sake, but for the Missionary’s sake. And he understands the hormones of a 19 or 20 year old male. So whether her statement is true or not, I leave it in the hands of the Mission President who loves each Missionary like they were his own children. I wish her well.
I remember having a conversation with my Christian mom when she told me it was okay to do... that. And i remember being like really happy and that night like doing it 3 times lol. It is okay! You can!
You should pray and ask the Lord if it is right in His eyes. The Holy Spirit of God knows how to speak to our hearts.
It's because men can control themselves, we have to control ourselves to help them keep them selves in check.
If you're in the US. Remember is a FREE Country! 🇺🇲
You choose your religion, Don't let your religion choose you!
Sounds like that young man was struggling and trying to do better. Doesn’t sound like she felt bad about blatantly breaking mission rules.