DON'T BUY THIS NEW DeWALT 20V MAX XR Power Detect CORDLESS GRINDER!
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- DON'T BUY THIS NEW DeWALT 20V MAX XR Power Detect CORDLESS GRINDER! In this video we show the #verycoolgang why you don't want to buy this new DeWALT 20V MAX XR Power Detect Grinder or NOT!! This new cordless grinder from DeWALT tools is amazing and has made us believers in cordless grinders on the jobsite! Let us know your thoughts on this new DeWALT 20V MAX XR Power Detect grinder in the comments section below.
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Mechanic here, this cordless grinder is the cats ass. Can grind through 2 grinding disks non-stop before I killed the battery. This tool no joke if you need one and hate cords like I do it's must have.
Cats ass is a complement?
@@huggywuggy3608lol right. Luke huh??
Sweet! I dodged the bullet not getting into that whole flexvolt BS!! I'm so glad I'll get to use my other batteries and not be trading off on power
@@joeygunzilla6878 flexvolt advantage has 1550 UWO this has 1350 UWO you should try the flexvolt advantage
@@smotheredchrome I bought the power detect grinder (the 8ah kit) & got the 894 1/2 impact free! Anyways.. the grinder is awesome! The battery life is amazing.. Seriously amazing! Even with just a 5ah it last a long time. I use it on the job everyday. The flex advantage sounds great but for the price this one could not be beat! 279.00 = 8ah battery + fast charger + pick a free tool (+a big tool bag -not the average scrawny one LoL) ✌️
I’m working on a farm, out in the field, dragging a generator around is too much trouble. I’ve got the new Flexvolt 60v grinder, DCG418, and it’s very impressive at getting the job done.
Oh yeah you got that one right . That 60 volt grinder is a beast . And I wouldn't part with it either
@@bossmanz28 the second that and the 15amphour battery comes to Australia I'm buying both up fast. Lifesaver tool with crazy power. Especially after a dewalt rep hooked me up with a 7 inch shroud that fits my dcg406 18v and theoretically, the dcg418 too
Totally agree
100% agree. Had a small vice and a grinder in the service ute, used it all the time to shorten bolts, cut locks (with permission), notch steel, etc. This guy's reviews are all terrible.
The simple fact he has the grinder upside down so that it will kick back towards him shows that he doesn't have a clue what he's doing.
I want a cordless grinder for farm use as well
I’m a hvac tech and I use this exact tool almost every instal I do and it’s a lifesaver
When this comes to australia I'll probably only buy it if it and the 8 amp batteries are particularly well priced. Otherwise it's straight to the new 60v dcg418 grinder in a few months and retrofit it to take a 7" blade potentially
Yup im buying it lol grinders are also great for cutting linehide for the Mitsubishi mini splits
Installer here as well! Used a buddies today and it brought me here 😂
I swear to god i might ditch my snips lmao
Hvac installer doing industrial work in Canada, I use my cordless grinder all day everyday
I was about to say the same thing. Use it to cut all thread and unistruts to hang units in attics.
I’m an electrician and I work on the freeway so cordless tools are a must for me. On the other hand I’m a Milwaukee guy and their grinder is awesome
Jason Wleczyk Milwaukee is the BEST cordless tool company out there
What is a grinder used for ?
Andrew depending on what type of wheel you get it’s for cutting (metal, cement, porcelain, quartz) removing rust, and grinding down cement.
GreddyReaddy thanks!
@@metal4life1966 lol dewalt is the best power tool company out there look it up buddy. Milwaukee been around since the 80s dewalt since the 20s dewalt has many options of tools compared to the Milwaukee brand ask any union guy what they prefer most of them will prefer dewalt like myself.
I have this exact model and am super impressed. It’s my first cordless grinder. We have several cordless models at work. M-18, older brushed DeWalt, brushed Ryobi (it came in a kit so why not), and the power detect has the best run time with the 8.0ah battery. And yes we used the HO 8 on the Milwaukee. These new tools are pretty amazing.
As a millwright I have to say having a a good cordless grinder can be an absolute god send for some jobs. Especially when your working inside a large machine with no power outlets around. In the shop I prefer corded but on the floor cordless all the way.
I'm a tow truck driver in Southern California
The company i work for is contracted with multiple police agencys with that being said we get tons of Traffic collisions.
When dealing with car crashes we could have Guard railing, fences ,gates etc in the way that we have to cut just to recover the vehicles,this tool works too perfectly in those situations (when time matters) just the other night we had a light pole blocking lanes
I was able to move it out the road way with the tow truck but the part where the light hangs out was still blocking part of the street I was able to pull this tool out with a cutter wheel and cut it then bend it out the way
Those are just some things this cutter is great for, time is everything when it comes to opening roads back up and this beats
Pulling out a generator and running cords
Plus finding where to store all that on a truck since we don't need it all the time
This dewalt battery cutter is compact and ready to go with a push of a button
Dumbest argument I’ve ever heard from this channel. “What job site won’t have a place to plug this in...” literally is the same argument against EVERY cordless tool. Really disappointed Vince...you’re smarter than this.
But thank you for admitting you were wrong. Kudos. 👍
work on a boat lift over water and tell me you like the corded model.
If it was Milwaukee it would be a great buy smh
Why do you need an impact when there's always a screw driver. YOU DON'T NEED IT.
@@darlington87 Came here to say this. This channel is pretty biased against Dewalt in particular, but is a huge fan of Milwaukee. That's all fine, but it shouldn't be used as a reliable source for reviews or comparisons. It's basically an opinion channel for entertainment purposes.
@@CaseySexton thank you I told my dad about this channel that's what he said it's like an entertainment Channel they don't know shit about the tools and their tests aren't even realistic biased as hell I have dewalt tools my dad does too they work good my grandpa and uncle have Milwaukee and I will admit they're good too so it's Makita I'm not going to be biased about it please don't get me started on the video about how don't use 60 volt batteries on 20v tools that was stupid
It’s like saying you don’t need a cordless drill or impact
Those are low draw tools. It's like a battery heat gun
@@galvanizedgnome good point
I'm 52 years old and never owned an angle grinder. I've been getting more into fabrication and finally started looking for one. I'm heavily invested in the DeWalt ecosystem, including some 60v tools. I picked up this tool as my first and only angle grinder, and I have to say it does everything I need it to do. Glad I didn't buy the Hercules from Harbor Freight like I had planned.
What battery works with? I thought any dewalt 20v ? Do you need xr? Mine is smallest one 2
I swear by my battery grinder, I don’t even get my corded out the van anymore.
Love your videos man.
I was looking at this one but went with the flexvolt because the grip was more ergonomic in my hands. But it is very neat how poweful these cordless tools are now. I also have the older dcg412 20v one and it is a decent little grinder but I'd guess it's runtime is not nearly as efficient as this power detect one. How much runtime did you get outta that 8ah?
When ever I use cut off wheel I wear my welding helmet with grind mode I’ve had them explode to many times and when they do ur thankful u had a full face gear on
Even the bystander needs protection if you've ever seen the recent post by the guy who was hit in the eye when his father's wheel exploded and hit him across the bridge of his nose from 8 feet away.. Kept his left eye but the pupil will forever be damaged. I imagine sunglasses will be his permanent fixture.
@@TheLimbReaper oh yeah grinding are more devastating than welding sparks
I was cutting a stainless steel catwalk in half the other day at work, and the grinder jerked back at my face because it didn't have a handle. Thank God I had a face shield, or else I would have a scar from my forehead down to my chin. You gotta hold on to that grinder for dear life. *Always use the handle, And wear face shield+glasses. (And I know sometimes the handle gets in the way)
I have that same corded 4-1/2" grinder for about 6 years and still works great.💪🏽
That's awesome
As a plumber in a high rise condo we use a cordless Dewalt grinder and it is very useful as many areas of the building do not yet have temporary power and we need to cut steel for sleeves etc. Does chew through batteries though
I'm a roofer, I use cordless grinders for knocking mortar out of brick walls and chimneys. Very useful, saves dragging a cord up the roof for a quick cut
I have the previous version of this XR grinder and I use it to cut tile and cement board. It works very good, the smoothest cutting grinder I ever had, makes a lot nicer smother cuts than the corded version. Cuts as smooth and nice dry as the wet saw and it doesn't draw a lot of battery for tile cutting. I typically use the 3ah or 5ah and get the job done for the day. One of my favorite tools.
Curious...is it the DCG412? 'Cause that's the one I just bought! It's not brushless though.
@@markarita3you should bui the 413 is a LOT more powerfull
I used my old 18v one to cut through a couple of closed shackle abus padlocks, legitimately.
The locks were securing access to a couple of hydraulic motors on a bridge in Whitby, England (Famous for Dracula). I went onto the job with a couple of 1mm stainless slitting discs and a spare battery in either nail pouch of my work vest. The locks took about 10 seconds each and both done on a single battery.
Makes you really think about what you're trying to protect when using padlocks.
I use one on my deer stand out in the woods. And I was very glad I had it. I did not have to take a generator out there with me to work on my stand. This tool came in handy for cutting old rusted screws and bolts off to replace a wood floor that was rotting out in spots.
I can answer one of the first questions you asked. (I haven't watched the whole video yet, so maybe it was a rhetorical question.)
'Where will you be where you can't plug in your grinder.'
The answer is: In the middle of a field that has a tower that ripped the center drive off of the center pivot and has to be welded. The 100' leads barely reach, and we can't drive in further because of wet ground. I could use a dc grinder, but for the use case I need the cordless grinder so little I saved significant time not having to drag out an extension cord or a generator.
Had a similar issue in the middle of a forest/swamp with a pipe I had to cut, Luckily I had recently purchased (on sale) the DeWalt DCB1800B 1800 Watt Portable Power station
You do realize he was being sarcastic right.
peter yeung didn’t sound that way to me and I’ve watched a LOT of Vince’s videos.
good honest review, with a turn around of thought, thanks Vince & VCQ
Just bought it, my old cord one said good night..im super happy with it. Been using the 5amp bat, for my DIY stuff around the house..its perfect!
You had me at the beginning.. I was like well what did he find that I didn’t show in my video because I love this tool. Lol. Light years from the Dewalt 18v.. be safe stay healthy buddy!
Thank you brother!
I need advice please...What diamond blade would I need to buy to level root damaged garage slab?
As a tile setter can’t tell you how many times I’ve gotten to a new construction site with no power and didn’t require a wet saw to finish job (sigma score and snap and Milwaukee fuel to cut around outlets.). Been to a lot of old houses where outlets are hard to find or trip when corded grinder or wet saw turns on. Plenty of reasons to have this if you have a use for it.
I love this grinder. Grinding out mortar joints for chimney flashing, it's been the best
You definitely need this! I have an old 20v and use it constantly on the job. dragging 100ft or more of cords around is what is useless.
We use Metabo corded grinders at work....I love mine. Never had any issues and plenty of power!!!!💪🦾
Use the cordless grinder to break padlocks, safes, and wheel locks if you get wheel clamped.
Hey Vince, good review. I was wondering if there was a more exact way to test battery life? Could you put use a multimeter on the battery leads after a test to see more accurately how much charge the grinder ate up? I don't know ifits possible, I'm just wondering. Because I feel like that grinder is going to chew through batteries
Getting this thanks to your video for power carving. Great video and excellent production. Watched allot of videos and you can’t hear a dang thing once the tool comes on. Liked that you added the audio over it!!
So I purchased this tool about a month ago on a whim because it was on sale. I've needed one in the past but had no immediate need for it, just wanted to have it in my toolbox. Wasn't 2 days later my friend got stranded when his boat trailer broke down on the side of the road. He needed to replace a leaf spring and all the bolts were rusted to bad to remove without cutting. This tool did it supper fast and I didn't have to bring a generator with me.
Lured me in with don't buy this tool and finished it off with Vince being impressed by the features and power it offers. On board tool storage for that allen wrench should of been thought through by Dewalt though.
Thanks for the look at the tool.
Dont need it the nut never locks had my 54v one for 3+yrs and given it a thrashing and it has not locked on hard enough for me need the wrench😅
Me too cuz i just bought one and haven't tried it yet....gpt me thinking i had to return it...but then again...dewalt doesn't let you down..
Changed my life, saves so damn much time to just hit a surface or clean a joint quickly… if you’re gonna be grinding for hours, yeah sure plug it in… the vast majority of my grinding is 10 seconds at a time… and it goes anywhere I need it… The two tools are for vastly different situations… If you’re thinking of buying a cordless as your only grinder, don’t… I’ve got 6 of them and the cordless ones get used the most, if I need to grind for more than a couple minutes, I’ll grab a corded one…. But for welding where you need to clean a little for tack welds, or clean up slag with a wire wheel for a second pass, it’s damn nice to have…
I’m a welder/millwright having a battery powered grinder is a godsend when you are 40+ feet up in the air straddling I beams. It used to be such a pain in the ass to run a cord to the lift and have 60+ feet of cord being dragged behind you when you work. The safety factor is a big part of that too. No cord for anyone to run into or get caught on. Iv had one to many occurrences of a grinder being ripped out of my hands after someone runs it over with a lift. All and all this is a great tool for those who really need it. If you are a shop worker and have access to outlets then stick with the corded. It will save you time and money. If you have no power source then you can’t go wrong with it.
I do HVAC service and I use my cordless grinder all the time. It has saved me big time. Awesome video!
Thank you Gabriel!
Telecom here and same. Great tool, super versatile. If using it for long periods of time yes definitely corded but cordless makes the tool much handier
Gabriel Buss my brother does occasional HVAC ducting in an occupied building. Running cords out of doorways to cut metal outside, with employees walking over the cord, is not the safest. Battery operated is what he uses no matter which site he is at.
@@normferguson2769 I also have the corded grinder too. Each job is different and being a 1 man shop I have to be able to change on a dime. This is an awesome time to be in business with all the tool choices we have. I thank God for this channel to help me decide what tool would work best for me. I wish your brother all the luck in the world. If I have learned something is that if you work hard your pay day will come. Lol
And in my case definitely helpful when I'm working on a house with no power. Soooo
I just ordered one with the double 6ah battery and the tool , charger and carry bag for under 281.
I'm glad I made the leap and look forward to picking it up tomorrow.
Appreciate ya and the vid brother...
Thanks!
I’m a tile guy and this tool has helped me out in so many occasions
Ok i got a question im using a corded grinder the cord gets in the way alot i wanna know how long is the battery good for i go thru about 8 disc a day the metal im cutting isint super thick like the one on the video i just dont wanna have to buy to many batteries it’s expensive so how long is the battery good for ?
I'm a bricklayer. I use my battery grinder for griding out pointing jobs.
Cable can be a bastard when up a ladder.
Thats why I use one with a battery
I’m a general contractor and I use my cordless grinder a lot for docks painting houses roofing they are really handy
Hey VCG Construction. I appreciate all the great information you keep sharing. I do construction myself and you inspired me to actually start my own channel. Keep dropping good info. 🙏
Thank you for being a part of the very cool gang!
@@VCGConstruction of course.
I am a maintenance tech and wireless is the way to go especially in tight spots
You’ve convinced me TO buy this tool lol. Like the vid!
Being a millwright a cordless grinder out in the field is my go to. Shop.. corded grinder. For big stuff I start the welder jenny up and use my 15 amp grinder
I work for Dewalt I use a 60v grinder when I fabricate metal worked that grinder for a 10 hour shift never had to change the battery awesome so I bought one for my shop at home guys if you need something that will make your life easier this the tool you need to make money with you will be impressed I'm lucky I get to put these tools to the test I'm happy to say I'm getting more of the dewalt tools
I woke in waterproofing and install flashing so yes this tool is very good and super useful. Yes there are snips but thicker metal calls for grinder cuts
Not the review I was expecting, this was an awesome review. And the test was just to the point.
And you’re right, the capabilities of batteries are something else!
The title got me in the beginning HAHA great video i like how honest you guys are always!
Even if its not Milwaukee even Vince can Say this tool is good😂
Thanks 👍
I want variable speed.is this tool much to Ask?
Electrician/Solar contractor. For me a cordless is a must. The good safety and ease od use is a must for me. It's too complicated to work/grind on the roof for example with the cords all over your place just waiting to catch your foot. I'm also working with aluminium all the time, so no problem with the power
P.S.: i have the dcg406 - looks exactly the same. Never used the disarm key- the locking mechanism works perfectly - turn the lock and then turn the whole wheel little bit to be sure it's locked. To unlock first turn wheel, then the lock knob. No need to use the dismantling key
Please help, I need to know how much to Pakistan!
I’m sorry, I’m not sure
ring that bell like is 1776 ...... man that never gets old
great review man . thank you for this video . i am buying that shit tommorow.
Its 1776 time so yeah better ring the bell and wake up the sheep.
Very nice detailed review
Thanks Vince , stay safe VCG gang
Thanks j Redd!
I just bought the flathead version i really like it so far. I had this one it had to go out for a repair. Its been out for almost 5 months do to the pandemic. Great tool
I have this tool because it came with a large dewalt set i purchased... i never would of purchased it on its own. But after using it very impressed even with the 20.volt battery. Now that i have one i wouldnt go without one. And i have 2 other cordless grinders already
I do own the cordless DeWalt grinder and seriously it’s a great tool , as a maintenance operator the ability to move around and grind things with out a cord is great !👍🏻
Thanks for sharing
What is the most current model number for this angle grinder in 2022?
My buddy Vince and his incredible tool reviews as always! Been loving this channel since they had under 500 followers. Awesome bunch of guys!
And great grinder by DeWalt!
Thanks Greg! Good too hear from you buddy!
I have to cut locks at a self storage, should I drag a generator around with me?
i have the 60v grinder and i love mines i use my for tile and use for finish carpentry for coping trim
My favorite thing about dewalt 20v and 60v flexvolt grinders are there guards and there guard lock system as well as the locking collate
Do you know if its worth puchasing it over the dcg413, I have the dcg413 and it preforms great no bog down etc
Been trying to get our company to buy one of these since the back end of last year, but it seems like the form we sent to get the OK was sent but no reply came back, anyhow things are a little screwed up as of current with Covid 19 and it's disruptions.
But this is like all cordless tools ideal for working in a area , were kids are also present , were long cables present a risk or can or could be damaged .
I have such a job for this tool for a large but now old Kindergarten recreation area , were I need to replace or sand old round wooden areas .so a tool like this for both cutting old rusted bolts or for sanding away damaged wooden surfaces would be far better that my current setup using a 25+ meters of heavy outdoor extension cables .
It's an amazing fact to think we have such high load tools now without cables and with a useful operating time between charges.
Thanks again for the informative video.
I have it its nices just make sure u have a battery 4ah or bigger i just got a 6.0 20/60volt and boy its now a monster before i was using it with 2ah for small projects now i can do big projects
I work with metal on the feel and this tool help save time when it comes to remove old hinges or cutting a plate for a repair etc. it works great for o me!
Trust me man I definiatly need it for my kind of field jobs
I love my 4" grinder. I'm a roofer and use it a ton and its soo nice not having a cord. However I have a corded 7" for grunt and unlimited work time. But in the event of no availability of power I'd be able to push on through with the 20v
i don't own very many tools, but from the information that i have gathered, batteries are great until they get beat around a bit. i had a battery powered die grinder that got dropped once and stopped working, then i have a corded one that has survived 2 years of being dropped, submerged, buried, and overheated. still works perfectly! cords are the way to go.
I ended up picking up the 413 bare tool a couple months back, love the convenience of being cordless, but does eat up batteries quick
I do need this. Im a construction electritain. This has saved me 1000 times if i need to do something quick
The cordless grinders are good for quick jobs. I have a ryobi brushed one. It’s ok for light/quick work. I used it a couple of times to sand down screws that were sticking out. It worked good. Nice to not have to deal with the hassle of a cord.
Also for grinder safety I was always taught the wheel goes up. This way if it turns on the wheel is less likely to touch something and send the grinder flying. Cause putting it face down like that could have the disc rest on something and damage the disc.
im a welder , i do residential more thaN comercial and sometimes we need to cut 1 piece or grind something really quick and run extension cord outside the house we work for 1 cut is not worth it , cordless grinder comes really handy . we do use corded grinders at the shop
good god. i do commercial plumbing and mechanical in 4 5 6 story building, cannot live without them
The fact that you said you were wrong is great, so many people lack the honor to do that.
Bro I love my paddle switch corded dewalt. Got the 2 pack shaker 99.00 at Lowe’s during the holidays . But I love my m18 grinder, so convenient!
Working on towers would be impractical to drag a cable with there. This dewalt has changed the way I work saving me a lot of time
when i worked at my job at Griffen i got one so i didn't have to drag 200 foot of cord around for a quick minute to five-minute job. cut a bolt, or cut a clamp on a hose. or other small jobs. but in such a nasty place it stopped working need to open it apart and see if it was just a fuse or not mine was a Dewalt DC410, hated it when it stopped but luckily I had an impact that used the same battery, so I got to use the battery for it and all the extra parts to my corded Dewalt grinder i got used at a pawn shop for 25 bucks
My company specializes in steel construction. I have half a dozen cordless grinders. They are awesome. But it will never replace my corded options
Well I hang signs for a living, so taking down the old ones it’s awesome having a battery powered grinder
I have the bosch cordless grinder and I love it 😀
0:21 brief clip of the little mentioned ‘Flathead’ Angle grinder. I have this gem…its low profile front gearbox lets you get into tight spaces and use a little more disc material than the usual snub nose grinders.
Does the dust shroud work on this grinder
A cordless is also awsome for pipe fitters crawlen around in a rack and our company buys Milwaukee but ours is gutless and it's still handy
Very nicely done sir 👍👍👍👍 Thanks for sharing your thoughts and videos Rodney
You bet
Working on sloped roofs, anytime I can ditch a cord or hose, makes life way better
Used it to cut the anchor chain off. I was in my row boat (no power)and It was tied around my ankle. My wife loves when I nap, lol
@VCG CONSTRUCTION I’ve been subscribed for a while now love the content! I’m a big Dewalt fan. I myself have about $5000 invested in dewalt and my favorite tool had to honestly be the 120v corded cordless miter saw!
Mine 2.
I have about the Same amount and the miter saw is cool I got the same one 2 flex volts or plug in
Fabricator here. I contend with a mig lead and a ground cable all day. I have a two grinder set up too. 2 30ft extensions. One with a Blending wheel, and number two with a cut off disk. The draw is one or two less cables to fuck with. Would probably only use it to clean fittings, or finish work.
work in a concrete products factory(slabs kerbs etc) i use hilti cordless grinders and wire brushes. purely because of convenience and safety of not having cables running along the floor
You had me spooked at the beginning of your video. For I'm a plumber and have been using an early model DeWalt cordless grinder for around 2 yrs now. For cutting 2,3,4 inch cast iron now and then. And I am able to cut two 4 inch cast iron pipe before the battery is drained . Also must leave battery to cool before charging. ( It's hot)
Usually. When I see a headline like that. I pass it up. And be inquisitive if and when I come across that
Oops. I use my best judgment on the tools that I use. For I like to work the tool just as you do.
Right on
I use the cordless grinder with a diamond masonry blade. And yes it does use batteries like they are 1991 12 volt Black and Decker batteries. As a bricklayer doing alot of tuckpointing, chimney and just masonry repairs. Cords and generators are not always efficient for us. So we do use the cordless grinder quite often. The Hilti brand grinder has the better battery life, (that I use at my union job) but for side work I use my dewalt DCG413 and its not the best for what I need it for but it gets the job done.
Can remember the days where battery tools weren’t seen as useful or taken serious for heavy use or long periods of time. Not anymore.
I remember getting my first cordless drill as a gift in 1989. A Craftsman 7 volt with internal battery and charging transformer. It didn't last long. I thought I was in the big leagues when I bought my first Makita 9.6 v. stick battery drill. $35.00 for extra batteries was outrageous at the time.
What's the brand of glasses you use in this video? Is that safety glasses? Looks pretty cool.
What's up with the Allen key? Never seen that on angle grinders before. Do you feel like you can tighten the nut sufficiently without using the key?
Yes
To answer the question of why do you need a cordless grinder. I work on scales. Running a cord in a truck scale pit isn’t always possible. A cordless grinder is sometimes a life saver.
The only thing I use my m18 grinder for is with a sanding disc for coping my trim instead of using a jigsaw.
Love your videos, but used my 20v brushless dewalt almost every day at work until I burned it up. I used 6 ah batteries in it and I got a decent amount of run time. Now I have 2 m18 fuel grinders and I use the 8ah batteries. As an on site heavy equipment mechanic with out an a service truck its not always feasible to get 120v to the equipment or everything is 3 phase and no 120 around.
i have 2 dewalt 20v grinders the older ones and i really like them I'm a blacksmith and when i go demo i can use them to brush up my work where there is no power and in my shop I'm not restricted with cords and tripping on them its a safety advantage for me
Don't need a grinder. The don't buy title got me. Nice job!
Yes, you need this cordless grinder. I work in a place without electricity, and I go there on foot, so I can not take the generator with me. P.S. I bought 414.