What is crazy is that they had enough time to work on their exchanges since 3 of the 5 runners from heats and final didn't have any individual events, plus Fred had time to work on exchanges as well since he only ran the 100m. Kenny was the main person that would've had the least relay practice since he ran 100m and 200m. Honestly, i would've thought that Kenny was going to do well since he was great on the relays in the Bahamas earlier this year. But...
@@boringlifeofateenthe stupid coach switched order around for some dumb reason. All they had to do was keep the same order from prelims and stick Kenny on anchor. Problem solved.
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Because they are not diverse enough. Diversity is our strenghth.
@anthonyanderson9303 yeah I didn't get that either. The relays is not something you switch around. Gotta keep it consistent so the timing is consistent.
Exactly! After that burn on Germany…in track AND basketball…. I HAVE NO ISSUE saying that it‘s been a private joke for decades how bad the US relays go. We did better handoffs at 13 years old…..
Great analysis! I remember last year at the world relay championships when Noah Lyles was asked before the race if he considered Canada a threat. He responded by looking at the reporter and saying “Who?” When question was repeated, he again said “Who?” dismissively and turned away. Canada promptly beat them in the Final.
Karma is a bitch...and if Noah had run for the US, it wouldn't have mattered. They blew that first handoff for the DQ. Never in Olympic history has a team with all that speed looked so bad. And no 4x100 gold medal winner has ever had no member make a final in the 100 or 200m That was an amazing race for Canada and the USA made a mess out of what should have been an easy medal. Gold was doable for that team.
It's one thing to be confident and say something like, " We're gonna have to do our best to beat a strong team like Canada, and if we do, I like our chances," versus, "Who?" Come on, man. Show some respect to your competitor, and at this point, remember they can beat your @ss! LoL. ( Congrats to Canada from this American. )
Noah Lyles is a phenomenal athlete, but he needs to humble himself a bit. Trash talkers embarrass themselves. Same thing happened with Norway's Jakob Ingebrigtsen this Olympics. He trash talked Britain's Josh Kerr and didn't even medal in that race ultimately.
dude always has the receipts to prove it! great video "team USA is not actually a team... they're a collection of the most talented individuals in the sport put together in the same uniform- and their talent is enough to cover the fact they're not really a team" WOW
Listen the Americans were infront when they got the button remember they got the boton on the curve normally when lining up a 200meter race you would have to be further apart and they get the boton up close than the following lanes
wouldn't even say most talented. they are the fastest runners but when the hand off comprises more than 50% of an event even a sub 7 doesn't do anything if you don't have the baton.
having run relays decades ago, it frustrates the heck out of me when any relay team is composed of people who have not practiced handoffs together consistently. it's a RELAY, not just 4 runners running 100 meters. DUMB DUMB DUMB . the USA is notorious for this.
I turned the TV off after the first handoff, showing restraint not to break the TV. Coleman came in very hot but the second leg started way too early. I ran relays in college and the baton receiver needed to be able to judge how fast the incoming runner was going and if anything start a little late instead of early. The second runner started way too early. Everyone could see the USA team wasn't going to make the exchange. In the trials they ran fine but I'm sure the final runners never practiced the exchange. They probably felt they knew when to start but it was obvious they didn't. They probably could have won with slow exchanges but didn't grasp this, they felt they could do whatever they wanted to and still won. It's not the coaches it's the athletes. The women had a bit of trouble but they at least handed off the baton within the passing zone. We practiced handoffs all the time simply running 50 yards (yes, I'm old) to get some speed, making the handoff then running the next 50 yards. We could do this multiple times to get our timing correct. It takes practice, which obviously the runners felt wasn't needed.
Running the relay requires specific skills, and it has to be practiced. I'm Canadian and am astounded that the USAF doesn't recognize this. Perhaps they are too excited about the prospect of setting a world record. I thought you might also cover the close call in the 4X400 heat where 16 year old Quincy Wilson nearly destroyed the US's medal chances single-handedly. Though here it was because he ran inexplicably slow.
@@stevencooke6451 I feel Quincy got caught up in all the activities. He's only 16. I doubt he trained much while he was there because he probably didn't even know if he was actually going to run in any event. Running him on the first leg was correct because he's not used to running outside of lanes, especially against older runners. If he stayed at the Olympic Village, he probably ate garbage food (see other articles on this), which doesn't help. I also wonder how many workouts he actually ran. Running a 47 sec 400m is actually real good for a 16 year old, we're just used to seeing him set age-group records. He had a right to be there, finishing 6th in the USA trials. He'll be 20 at the next olympics and hopefully won't be so run-out that he won't be able to compete.
The best line I heard one of the reporters say was: To win the 4x100m, you don't need the four fastest runners; you need the fastest four runners! BTW, thank you for the compliment. As a Canadian, I was EXTREMELY proud of our men. They went into that race as extreme underdogs to almost the entire field. They went out and did what they'd practised hundreds on times, and pulled it off in competition. It was a delightful surprise! 😃👍
Well said Coach Rob! The 4X100 relay is not just individual speed. It is team speed along with team baton transfer skills! Team Canada ran together as a team many times. Congratulations Team Canada!
Exactly right. Canada had near perfect exchanges and kept up the pace all the way around. A bad handoff slows the next runner. Even if the U.S. had not been disqualified, they had such bad handoffs in more than one zone, that they never would have won, or even medaled anyway.
canada individually weren't as fast but they executed way better as a team and got lucky with lyles being out and the US being typically crap at relay.
Well, actually they all like each other. The issues are the coaches and the last minute changes. USA are known for switching legs too often between heats and finals. Plus, they barely practice baton exchanges.
Track coach from Canada here. One of the things not mentioned is the technique Canada, and most other nations, use was developed in Canada before the '76 Olympics by a coach named Gerard Mach. We had decent sprinters but none were medal contenders so why not focus on the relays. Today most high school teams in Canada use this method and the beauty of this system is that it is simple. As our sprinters developed the method paid dividends. What I see the Americans doing is taking something simple and complicating it; not so much by ego and team BS, but more by the fact they don't know what they should be doing.
I guess they can avail themselves of the Canadian technique and with their speed have the odds in their favour to win every relay from now on. I’m sure somewhere someone is thanking you. 😊.
Great analysis!! As a Canadian, I was disheartened by the individual performances of our men. Some bad luck (the false start DQ), injury (DeGrasse's hamstring), and some not 100% that day running. I was hopeful of the 4x100m, because we often seem to excel here - and boy did we! Each man came out and ran, with some of the smoothest transitions I've seen. Talk about ending on a high note!! The US, I was fearful of, given the performances of each man on that squad - but then I saw it fall apart. The sloppiness in the transitions was surprising! The lack of practice was apparent. I don't know if it's ego, or what, but the term 'team' truly doesn't apply here. Who? Canada, WHO? CANADA!! WHOOO? C-A-N-A-D-A!!! Congrats Canada on that Gold! Cheers.
💯 Great points HOWEVER, 15m video to document US relay failures… should’ve been 3-5m tops. Fact is a baton hand-off is REALLY simple…. recipient to time his/her start (picking a point where baton is approaching), and control acceleration. And of course for passer to maintain stride with minimal deceleration thru pass.
From an American... I'm surprised that the American men can actually run at all what with the weight of their egos weighing them down. Congrats to Canada!
Your comment is spot on remember in the past Noah Lyles stated Canada who from that day on they started to disrespected the rest of the world. As a Jamaican we love track and field we admire even athletes from other countries, but we see that the Americans start to disrespect the rest of the world when you start to do that you lose focus
Wholeheartedly agree!! As a Canadian, the picture in my mind is Bolt & DeGrasse sharing a smile at the end of that one race! That's mutual respect & admiration. Sure they're competitors, but you don't have to slag other nations - especially if you're the one on top! The USA isn't known for their humility (I know, broad stereotype, but often it's true!)
You named ONE American who trashed talk and are trying to curse all of these youngsters who have worked hard and are gracious. Before olympics sha'carri was going on and on about how she loved one of the Jamaican sprinters and uring went to check on Julien after her win...and did you not see the picture of Simone and Jordan giving Andrade her flowers? please
I'm just a casual fan who really only pays attention during the olympics, but appreciates the jaw dropping talent of these guys. But I also appreciate the history. As a Canadian, the 96 Atlanta games were pivotal. Coming off the embarrassment of the Ben Johnson era, Canadian team had been building up to those games. And Bailey was on a mission to be the best in the world. I think we all knew he'd probably win the gold but in the Relay it wasn't anywhere near certain....at least for fans. Prior to those olympics the USA was more than just dominant. In 70 years they had only lost the gold 3 times. That's absolutely ridiculous. The aura around the finals was that yes, Bailey was the best but this is the 4 x 100! It's the event for the USA. When that team destroyed team USA and the field (sorry...lol, but they did)...it really stunned everyone. Go watch the youtube of it....the stadium was absolutely silent. I really think it was only the Canadian team members who actually knew they were probably going to win. Maybe it's just a coincidence, but it kind of seems like USA sprinting has never been the same since Atlanta. Yeah...they won the gold in Sydney in 2000 but nothing since (Olympics; again..forgive me for just being a casual fan). It's guys from that 96 team that have coached and brought up this generation of Canadians. Glenroy Gilbert, Bruny Surin, Esmie, Bailey....they all mentored this generation. But also maybe it's just a case of other countries catching up. Obviously Jamaica, but also Trinidad, the UK, Brazil, Italy, etc...they've all had big moments in sprinting. A lot of sports are going this way. The gap in basketball for example, has been closing. The USA still being more dominant than in sprinting but I'd bet in the next 20 years we'll see that grip on the top probably start to be chipped away. Cool video! Thanks.
Ben Johnson is a scapegoat, he was the best. Lewis, Mitchell and the Jamaican who ran for GB Christie were doped to the gills, but people only remember Johnson, he was vilified for no reason. They're all on contaminated orange juice.
Michael Johnson on BBC Olympic coverage was suitably dismayed and said that, based on performance, the USA should no longer be ‘expected’ to win this relay.
From an outsider's perspective, Americans seem to focus more on individuals than being a team in their team sports. So that one person is celebrated as the star with the rest of the team as support characters. Does this create an environment where people compete against each other rather than work together? I'm South African btw.
A'ho, Friend! Maybe an outside perspective is what's needed. Your assessment, albeit a somewhat accurate one, sounds like a great theatrical play and not a track team. But again, I'll take it! The USA Track Stars aren't the problem. However, the coaches are. As a coaching staff, and in practice, concentrate more the basics, like correct handoffs. Just a thought! Chi'en(Respect), My Lady Osu!🥋👊
Bingo. Thats exactly what I think the issue is. They are talented, but perhaps a clash of egos, maybe?…I am from Canada, and my thoughts were as long as the U.S passes the baton smoothly, they should be untouchable….Also, from what heard, their goals were to break the Jamaican record. Instead of focusing on the Jamaican record, they should have been focused on the Gold. The time should not matter…One last thing I will also bring up. Earlier this year, Lyle’s and the team laughed at the thought of Canada being a threat. That was a huge mistake! That video obviously did not age well, and it’s since gone viral…..Coach Rob, it’s too bad you were not their coach to humble them, since you knew this.
Athletics development particularly in sprinting has clearly been doing something right in SA. We need to continue widening the intake nets to make sure even more of the most talented kids from all over the country get funneled into the best development schools. I'm also extremely impressed with our neighbours Botswana, they're doing something right with their sprinters that side as well! Love to see it!
Cool! The more competition, the merrier. The Olympics was more interesting with Botswana winning the men's 200m instead of Jamaica or the U.S. It IS world competition, so bring on the world at its finest!
As a high school track coach for 17 years, even my worst 4x100 team had better hand-off technique than my beloved Team USA. These are 15-18 year olds! 😂 But we also spend the last 15 to 20ish minutes of EVERY practice doing hand-off drills. If you mess a baton pass up, then the entire team (distance runners included) does push-ups. It may sound harsh to some, but it works. I also have a military background, so that's why I've implemented push-ups as a corrective action (AKA Punishment). We haven't had a botched hand-off in a track meet in nine years. 😂😂😂
To today's ultra-fragile types, it's harsh. It's sports, it's not harsh. It's a way to learn via consequences. "Punishment" by doing push-ups is within bounds.
In particular, this is how YOUNG MEN learn to take things seriously. No excuses. No do-overs. Mess up, pay a price. Every time. And if an athlete shrugs off the punishment’s discomfort to himself, then a coach can legitimately extend the discomfort to the whole team exactly because it IS a team, a voluntary social unit. It’s simply adding in the power of social pressure as a motivator when direct correction of an athlete isn’t working. In a team situation, it’s completely fair.
The Americans were too focused on beating Bolt's record of 36.86 seconds and that led to the mistake this year. You can see the speed with which Coleman crashed into Kenny B. They should run to win rather than focusing on records. Great analysis from you.
It was Bednarek's mistake. Not Coleman who had to maintain or increase speed to catch Bednarek who took off too quickly. When he slowed down, Coleman then slammed into him.
Coach Rob, the goat of honesty! Love your vids. Jamaican living in Canada and I’m still waiting for the USA to sort out their issues. Not gonna lean in and criticize but only wish them good luck next time. Congrats to my Canadian goat Degrasse!
@@JamaicanMeCrazy truth is the Jamaican athletes are to be commended for being so humble but I wish I could say the same about the fans. Ya’ll need to wake up!
May I remind everyone what Noah Lyles said when asked about the threat of the Canadian team: "who? who? who???" The Americans have too much ego to practice and improve together as a team.
NBC was just as bad. I watched the relay on NBC and they didn't even show the Canadian team before the start and barely showed any other team besides the U.S.. Terrible coverage of the race.
Thats black culture in the US, Yall being too sensitive. Its called roasting and not done to insult. It something we do culturally. If you hang around black Americans and they DONT roast you, it means they dont like or respect you.
@@thebrazilshow ah, so you’re saying that the lack of class behavior is more to do with race rather than that individual? I guess when they rob your store, it’s also a sign of respect that they think you sell good products.
the fastest legs were Zharnel Hughes and Simbine though who ran an 8.79 I think. Read it somewhere. So happy for Simbine, he's finally got a medal he deserved a long time back.
@alansamuel2454 Thank you. South African 🇿🇦 here, we are so happy that Simbine finally got a medal. He has been so consistent. We were already proud of him, but we just wanted that medal for him, for all his hard work and consistency.
@@siyabongakunene5052I'm Indian. And yes, I consider Simbine the best African sprinter no question. Omanyala might have faster times, but only in Kenya and he's not been in the game anywhere as long as Simbine. He's been in this for a decade now since 2013 and always just missed the podium from 2016 onwards. My heart broke thinking he would retire without an Olympic medal until yesterday when he got the silver and I was over the moon. Thank God he can take a final bow with some Olympic silverware to his name.
The last time we did this I was in Canada House in Atlanta sitting on the couch in front of the big screen next to Donovan Bailey's Mom and kid brother watching Robert, Glenroy, Bruny, and Donovan do the same thing. Our team this year limped into the finals by the skin of their teeth, but after their semi they still had easy room for improvement, so I was still hoping. If they could clean up their 2nd and 3rd handoffs, they could medal. They altered Degrasse's check to give him more time to accelerate on that bum hamstring, cleaned up the second handoff and made some magic. With 7 Olympic medals, Degrasse is officially Captain Clutch.
Hey Coach. Great perspective. You are spot on about the Canadian Team and their consistent members. Combined, they probably have the most major championship relay medals than any other nation. They seem to always be in the medals without the US fire power. Add to that, they are by far the oldest team lining up (average age +30). I'm surprised that you (USA) don't have Carl Lewis running that program. (Fun fact: Canada also keeps the same relay coach for years and years. It's Glenroy Gilbert who won the 4x100m gold medal 🏅 in the 96 Olympics).
The Chinese proved that in these games during their heat. Strong team cohesiveness and no individualism. Egos are set aside for precision and cool heads. Those dudes don't have the blazing speed of many other countries but smooth=FAST!
Good baton pass is a stretch, the US need to just have a baton pass at least. I thought after the WC win they would at least be in medal contention but always had the gut feeling they might drop the baton or mess it somehow
Tbh born and raised in Toronto canada .and ran track for years .we here in canada get tought early about passing the baton around .it's like we mastered that .I look at half these countries, especially u.s.a, and their hands are not back waiting for the baton .they put their hands back when the man is running up on them .also calling out the person too late and leaving too early .all these things are factors that we mastered in canada as youngins and it shows at international meets all the time .Great job again boys .gi canada go .
And as happened at the first attempted handoff, the exiting runner takes off too early, and then has to practically stop, as the approaching runner is slowing down for the handoff.
I ran track as well in school in Canada when I was a kid. Individual and relay. We always had solid technique. Never, ever, ever had an issue. You're always told not to take off too fast. Getting that baton in hand as quickly and securely as possible within the handoff zone was always the focus.
Coach Rob , I am from South Africa and i would have loved for you to speak about the other teams that ACTUALLY won. They worked extremely hard to be recognised. Africa just won a medal , it's monumental for us and i watch your videos just for you to complain about the USA. We had A high schooler in the team. Respect us, We deserve our flowers.
South Africa did wonderful! So happy for Simbine, he deserves this medal more than anybody. My heart broke when I saw another bronze in the 100 and thought he might have to take a bow with not even a single Olympics medal. And yes he's inspired a lot of youngsters, South Africa's sprint future looks very promising.
He literally gave Tebogo his props in another video. THIS video discusses the issues facing US men's 4x4. If you didn't like the subject of the video, you should have scrolled past.
@eleanorandrews6048 never said he was from South Africa. My point is he gives other runners outside of the US props. You just wanted to complain about him focusing on the American team
Great video coach. Love the analysis and content. I did track here in England from the age of 13 to 22. I ran for my local club and got to compete for GB and England at juniors level. We practiced relays like it was a the most important thing and we got rewarded with the results. I remember when my coach held a meeting with all the other coaches at the club and said we need to get together once or twice a month throughout the winter training and get these kids comfortable running with each other cause when the outdoor season starts just throwing them together and expecting them to win all the time because we happen to be the best club in the region aint going to cut it. when we then have to run against kids from all over the country that have been drilling at it for ages we would always come up short but once we took it serious we were always in the mix.
I literally lost my mind yesterday. HIGH SCHOOL teams can maximize the baton exchange, but we run up on each other, or away from each other, drop batons...........etc. Carl Lewis lost his mind too. No excuse for this. Good video
@@jojo-cw2tm A better team because they train as a team. Just picking the four fastest guys you can find is a recipe for disaster. Admittedly, other teams have nowhere near the same choice as the Americans.
@@justWIN96curse is the excuse to fall back on to not acknowledge the lack of practice, serious incompatibility and ego issues etc. The US also in a way have too many top sprinters, so they usually end up changing someone in the relay. Other countries have a handful and it's usually been the same guys practicing and having history running together at relays.
I don't think it is a curse, it is the ego's, They need to learn to put it aside and learn to get along as a team. But for the last few years they treated the relays like its Destiny's Child and Noah lyles like beyonce in the team, creates division and toxicity. I knew when he was out of 4x100 they will wobble, not because he is the best in the squad but because they were training like he was the best instead of everyone is equal. It actually comes down to the management of the squad and the favoritism and inequality they spread. @SCATrackandField correct me if I am wrong as i don't mean any disrespect just my opinion.
@@lynncronje59 I like the comparision to Destiny's child. Very apt. And yea I agree too it's all around Lyles being the star and others as side characters to help him only. Not good for what's supposed to be a team
I'm an old guy who has been following Canadian track and field since the 1960s. This is very good analysis. The powers need to to do something like what you suggest if the USA is ever to be a consistent winner in the 4x100 again.
Yes. It does. That’s one of the reasons that affects them in the relays. Too much egos and no camaraderie and working together. Lyles in his 100m win conference literally singled out Kenny when he was asked about the 200m and mentions the US Olympic trials. Like dude y’all are on the same team. It would have been better to talk about Tebogo or anyone else but why single out another US athlete. That just goes to show you the prevailing attitude and Gatlin confirmed it in a podcast with Asafa.
Yes that's why the the semi squad did so well. There's no hate between these 4 men. Maybe we should just kick Noah off the relay because I think they all hate him but everyone else seems to get along just fine
@@wesleyowens4089Noah wasnt there in this finals and I agree they dont like him - last year they got gold at WC for the relay - Noah is all about practice, practice and I know he didnt say it politely last year but they practice
@Emerald449 What's the difference? It's only a technique. Each team develops their own baton passing techniques. Whether it be for a High School State Championship, the NCAA Championship, or the Olympics. Kevin was at fault for that mishap because he left too soon to retrieve the baton. I watched it 3 times.
@@Emerald449 not really, that’s the most pressure you’ve been in at that point of your track career in high school and you don’t have much experience running in front of crowds, most also care more about what others think of them while young in school. While more pressure than normal, the majority of Olympic athletes have done large meets and televised meets and have had more time to adapt to the added pressure of large meets and interviews, they’ve matured typically and don’t worry about others opinions. Pressure is pressure, conditioned adults typically handle it better than inexperienced kids. No excuses for USA’s baton woes the last 20 years.
@@patrickhenry2845 And even if it's only a technique you can mess it up any time, especially on the bigger stages and it doesn't matter how much you have practiced it. Also never did I mention Kevin or that he wasn't at fault.
Well said and researched. That was a good analysis. The major take aways are; train together and win together. Don't fill people in slots at last minute. Secondly, to respect your competitors. Don't underestimate them.
6th straight Olympics bombing it; '04, '08, '12, '16, '21 & '24. Canada literally had NOBODY in the 100/200m Finals & still ran 37.50 for Gold just 0.02s off their 37.48 NR! Time to put Mechelle Freeman (Women's Relay Coach) who has been much more successful than Mike Marsh (Men's Relay Coach) in charge of ALL RELAY TEAMS! In the W4x1, GB's Dina Asher-Smith monstered the 1st leg & handed off well to Imani Lansiquot who had a bad hand-off to Amy Hunt who had a bad hand-off to Daryll Neita, would've been an even more exciting foot race on that final leg!
If you watched the women's 4 x 100 m final, you would know that they also struggled too today! If it wasn't for Richardson killing the final leg, the USA women's team would have been under heavy criticism too!
I ran 4x100, spring 1980, high school, first leg from Atlanta Ga , second leg from Los Angeles, Ca, third leg from Brooklyn, Ny, Me? I was fourth leg from West Newbury, Ma. Our Goal? Pass the baton within the passing zone, always. WE ran flat first place all Spring thank you coach, Edward Rybicki, RIP, man.
Say, homeboy. I just learned FAR more in 10 minutes of watching your video than I did from the commentators during the entire Olympics. Great content! Your channel deserves a million subs.
In my opinion, about 90% of the problem is coaching, I think the people are chosen based upon their popularity, whether they belong to the Nike, Puma, Adidas club, and personalities. The other 10% needs to be based on if they have an IQ above 100.
U are honestly right in what you saying. If I am not supporting my own country South Africa 🇿🇦, then I am supporting USA, I think they too swollen headed. Like Benarek said he want recognition!!
Hi Coach Rob, great review of this race. This frustrated me so much to see again but in a worse way this Olympics. I ran track since I was a kid into college and I've seen many relay races. I experienced my best 4x100 relay races when I was in middle school, high school, and part of a private club running due to consistency and practice with the same guys. When I got to college our team would always do Friday runoffs to see who was the fastest in the 100. I was always in the top four, but it was driving me crazy that we were always changing up the team and positions. There were multiple times we had bad handoffs and even dropped the baton a few times. I told our coaches we needed consistency but they never listened to me. I realized that this was not just my college, but it was a lot of college teams that did this practice and I soon realized that it came down to whoever was the luckiest to finish a race or those that had consistency in their relay team.
It's called practicing together as a team like Canada does. The Americans looked like the 4 stooges, fumbling around with the baton and running into each other. 😄😄😄😄
I’m just gonna say it, I think the lineup from World Relays should have stayed and automatically gone to Paris because they ran the time to qualify. That team had some of the best handoffs that the U.S. has had in YEARS, no reason to change it. Damn near all the other teams kept their lineups the same when they qualified, and here we were with our thumbs up our butts thinking “who’s gonna be on the relay?” when we had a team that worked and could practice together because they were 20 minutes away from each other. Hell, Coleman moved to Dennis Mitchell and Kerley was hopping back and forth between LA and Miami, so they all could have gotten something done together.
True analysis bruh. You break down the factual consequences of a poor training approach in a relatable way. Speed never goes into a slump, so technique counts when the margin of error is measured in milliseconds.
The arrogance of Lyles is the root of the American relay failure. Men who carry themselves like that are parasites in a team situation. Other nations quietly go about their business while people like Lyles spend their time posturing and showboating like an insecure child. It actual gives fuel to his competitors. It's a really bad strategy and a sad commentary on the athletes and coaches for the US in international athletics. He mocked Canada when he was questioned about the Canadian US rivalry. He showed incredible arrogance and no respect. Does he know WHO Canada is now ??? Karma... it's a thing.
As a former elite swimmer, I can feel you on the, "....all I knew is that I was losing whenever we lined up." Also, the way track and field does the relays is exactly the same way the Olympic swimmers do their relays. At this point I just have to believe that the baton pass is much harder than gaging when the swimmer coming to the wall's gonna touch so you don't leave the block too soon. Loved this video. Thanks so much.
It's not only in the Men's 4x100m that the US is struggling. At the World Athletics Relays in Bahamas the US Men's 4x400m team was DQ'd in Round 1 for not knowing the rules and at the Olympics they finished 3rd in their heat by a whisker because of screw ups. South Africa won silver in the 4x100m in 37.57 sec with two teenagers and only one athlete with a sub 10 sec PB
This is the best video you’ve ever made and I appreciate your constructive criticism and telling the truth. As a former distance runner and longtime Track fan, this explains some of the nuances of the 4x100 I don’t fully understand. Could you please do a video on: 1. The controversy over the 4x400; 2. WADA and the evolution of the worst part of the sport - Doping. I live for T&F and it sickens me because of the fact that some athletes are extremely suspicious and why a lifetime ban for confirmed cases isn’t the rule, as Michael Phelps has recently advocated for, and Gatlin was able to return after a year plus ban. I love Usain Bolt and the fact that all, almost all or most of his competitors during 2008-16 were caught at least once, including Blake, and he was a clean athlete and even though I was a distance runner I love him more than anyone else in T&F history. 3. How the “Wheresbouts” violations details work. How does a professional athlete miss 3 unannounced testing days happen? If I had the opportunity to be a professional runner I would do everything possible to make sure I didn’t miss once but I guess it can happen once to anyone but 3 in a year is either proof that they are avoiding the testing or not being professional athletes and deserve a suspension. Coleman did this and proclaimed his innocence, which could be true, but his situation would be a good example to explain the process. Thank you Coach Rob for your continued knowledge and success!!!
Lots of emphasis is placed on individual performances and the relay teams are an afterthought. I hope they can get it together. I’m proud of the 🇨🇦 boys. You can tell they like each other 👏
yes the Canadians have no ego issues and don't call out each other or make dumb beefs at conference meets. They know they always are in contention for a relay medal and do their absolute best team effort. And De Grasse on anchor is arguably one of the best anchors in sprint history, he's outrun Justin Gatlin, Lyles, he always shows up in the relays.
It's the hype that America is the best. Like children who grew up being told they were very smart facing up to the reality that they are, at best, average in elite universities that tend to admit the 'best' students. There's no shame in losing. What's wrong is to assume they will win and... Worse still, could have won had they done something different. That's entitlement. Never won anybody anything.
@@thebighousencaaattendancer478fastest 4 times ever? Because jamaica would like to disagree. Asafa to kishane to yohan to bolt would be damn near 35s race 😂
Noah .remember who .Canada always lerking between u.s.a and jaimaca .every olympics we do something special .and relays we always historical have great baton exchanges. Go canada go .Great job gentleman.
You hit the nail on the head with this. The lineup and orderdid them in. The order more so. Also it seems they concentrate more on speed first, then execution. They need to get a new coach for the team. Great post.
Who made the decision to change the order of the runners? With Lyles ill, just change the anchor. The team did fine in the semis. Canada adheres to the saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
Canada wasn't the fastest team but they executed the exchanges very well . Remember the relay coach Glenroy Gilbert (Donovans Bailey's teammate in 1996) trained those men to the highest level
DQ 50% of the time means that there is no "team" just four sprinters trying to get a stick around. At the speed they run, there is no way. Relay is strategy to accentuate the fastest and mitigate the slower ones, practice as a team in the order, practice as a team in the order. Relay is all in the exchanges. Coached track and field for 25 years. It's not always the fastest members on paper, which was proven here, again. The coach of the US men's relay team is apparently not performing.
I started following TAF like five years ago. I was drawn in by all these amazing individual athletes and I was so excited for the relay because I assumed it was going to be phenomenal. I was so confused when I got into the comments and found so many veteran fans cringing. Learning that the team was just thrown together after quals was a big surprise and explained a LOT. It's strange that there's no team investment. Branding and promoting individuals is cheaper, I guess, but it's still a shame. I had no idea the DQ percentage was that high until this video, either. Crazy stuff
Noah would have gotten blamed if he was on team thank goodness lol 😂 Kenny probably wanted to win so bad just to fall in Noah’s face lol…. Congrats to them all… feel better Noah ❤maybe we need Noah 😂😂
I suggest we put up a dedicated 4x100m team just for relay purposes. For Olympic trial, after those qualified for 100m and 200m individual games, the next 6 fastest short runners form a dedicated 4x100 team. They practice together only for relay purposes. I bet you will not see any disqualification, and better chance of winning medals.
I agree with him. I was thinking the same with the women, even though they won the Gold. Their pass was shaky and could have cost them the Gold. I saw it happen twice, but the speed is just incredible, and the anchor makes up ground. Some of the women are probably not training together. The relay is different than an individual run. Gabby said that. Your head space has to be different, meaning it has to be adjusted for the other team members. The women's team is smart, talented and experienced, and they probably work together better without ego. Men have egos. The male Olympians need to make themselves team players. The problems they are having is the reason why they don't send rookies to the Olympics. This baton thing is like a rookie issue with seasoned and super-fast runners. The people beating them are not even as fast. They execute. Why be on a relay team, if you are going to think like an individual. Lack of teamwork and respect for other people is a common issue, even on jobs. It is just that nobody is passing a baton.
"Since 2001, there have been 18 world-level relays, and America has been disqualified 9 times out of those 18 competitions." That's some stat.
A world record.
NIIIINE TIIIIMES!!!
Mr 50%
@@PearcewreckThey need to practice practice practice.
...and Canada and 8 other countries thank you!
The relay is a technical race, speed is important, but the baton exchange is the critical component!
Darn Right most Certainly is!!!
Thank you for your succinct, objective and factual post which says it all.
Indeed - they are running four individuals, not a Team of 4!
USA has the worst baton exchange. It seems as if they start doing the baton exchange on the day of the event.
What is crazy is that they had enough time to work on their exchanges since 3 of the 5 runners from heats and final didn't have any individual events, plus Fred had time to work on exchanges as well since he only ran the 100m. Kenny was the main person that would've had the least relay practice since he ran 100m and 200m. Honestly, i would've thought that Kenny was going to do well since he was great on the relays in the Bahamas earlier this year. But...
Benderek should have started he's a poor picker
@@boringlifeofateenthe stupid coach switched order around for some dumb reason. All they had to do was keep the same order from prelims and stick Kenny on anchor. Problem solved.
Because they are not diverse enough. Diversity is our strenghth.
@anthonyanderson9303 yeah I didn't get that either. The relays is not something you switch around. Gotta keep it consistent so the timing is consistent.
Canada relay teams are almost always tight tight tight. It showed today.
❤from Canada. They practice practice, practice, and practice. As a former anchor in high school, i can truly say practicing pays off.
They been together for like a decade. Brown, Rodney and De Grasse.
Japan as well! They tend to be pushing for a medal because their hand-offs are always smooth.
They have a great coach!
Oh Yea! Canada 🇨🇦 all the way, Eh🎉🎉
There’s three certainties in America.
Life, death, and the US 4 x 100 relay team will mess up at the Olympics.
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Men…not the women 😂😂😂
@@prettybrwneyez7757women's baton pass not smooth as it should be too. Luckily shaky got a nos tank.
This is the 5th time. Why do they always arrive as the favourites when the stats are just not in their favour. They flop almost every time
You forgot taxes !
..was really glad to see my hometown men from Canada 🇨🇦 win that gold! It's about teamwork, baby!
Teamwork 💯🗣️TELL THAT TO THE ARROGANT US MEN ATHLETICS
Exactly! After that burn on Germany…in track AND basketball…. I HAVE NO ISSUE saying that it‘s been a private joke for decades how bad the US relays go.
We did better handoffs at 13 years old…..
ty for giving props to Canada and not just ripping on the Americans fumbling it yet again. Canada killed it-so happy for them!
Great analysis! I remember last year at the world relay championships when Noah Lyles was asked before the race if he considered Canada a threat. He responded by looking at the reporter and saying “Who?” When question was repeated, he again said “Who?” dismissively and turned away. Canada promptly beat them in the Final.
Karma is a bitch...and if Noah had run for the US, it wouldn't have mattered. They blew that first handoff for the DQ.
Never in Olympic history has a team with all that speed looked so bad. And no 4x100 gold medal winner has ever had no member make a final in the 100 or 200m
That was an amazing race for Canada and the USA made a mess out of what should have been an easy medal. Gold was doable for that team.
It's one thing to be confident and say something like, " We're gonna have to do our best to beat a strong team like Canada, and if we do, I like our chances," versus, "Who?" Come on, man. Show some respect to your competitor, and at this point, remember they can beat your @ss! LoL. ( Congrats to Canada from this American. )
Noah Lyles is a phenomenal athlete, but he needs to humble himself a bit. Trash talkers embarrass themselves. Same thing happened with Norway's Jakob Ingebrigtsen this Olympics. He trash talked Britain's Josh Kerr and didn't even medal in that race ultimately.
@@bura19 - True, THEN he made a quick comeback and won the 5000m! He did look a bit more humble pre-race, so maybe that's what helped redeem himself.
Folks take this trash talking and badinage too seriously.
dude always has the receipts to prove it! great video
"team USA is not actually a team... they're a collection of the most talented individuals in the sport put together in the same uniform- and their talent is enough to cover the fact they're not really a team" WOW
A whole is not just the sum of its parts. Aristotle said it best.
This statement went hard!
😂😂😂😂😂 so true
Listen the Americans were infront when they got the button remember they got the boton on the curve normally when lining up a 200meter race you would have to be further apart and they get the boton up close than the following lanes
wouldn't even say most talented. they are the fastest runners but when the hand off comprises more than 50% of an event even a sub 7 doesn't do anything if you don't have the baton.
Corn bread dude completely disrespected the Canadian team in that one interview. Karma debt paid in full. Congratulations Canada.
Who is Corn bread dude???
@@sonofprince4124 Noah whyles
Lyles has a gold medal. He good.
@@calc1657So do the Canadiana know, so I'm not sure that argument holds much weight.
@@as_dust_dances Not sure of point.
having run relays decades ago, it frustrates the heck out of me when any relay team is composed of people who have not practiced handoffs together consistently. it's a RELAY, not just 4 runners running 100 meters. DUMB DUMB DUMB . the USA is notorious for this.
The once coach moved Kerley to 3rd I knew this had to end bad. Need new coaches
I turned the TV off after the first handoff, showing restraint not to break the TV. Coleman came in very hot but the second leg started way too early. I ran relays in college and the baton receiver needed to be able to judge how fast the incoming runner was going and if anything start a little late instead of early. The second runner started way too early. Everyone could see the USA team wasn't going to make the exchange. In the trials they ran fine but I'm sure the final runners never practiced the exchange. They probably felt they knew when to start but it was obvious they didn't. They probably could have won with slow exchanges but didn't grasp this, they felt they could do whatever they wanted to and still won. It's not the coaches it's the athletes. The women had a bit of trouble but they at least handed off the baton within the passing zone. We practiced handoffs all the time simply running 50 yards (yes, I'm old) to get some speed, making the handoff then running the next 50 yards. We could do this multiple times to get our timing correct. It takes practice, which obviously the runners felt wasn't needed.
Running the relay requires specific skills, and it has to be practiced.
I'm Canadian and am astounded that the USAF doesn't recognize this. Perhaps they are too excited about the prospect of setting a world record.
I thought you might also cover the close call in the 4X400 heat where 16 year old Quincy Wilson nearly destroyed the US's medal chances single-handedly. Though here it was because he ran inexplicably slow.
@@stevencooke6451 I feel Quincy got caught up in all the activities. He's only 16. I doubt he trained much while he was there because he probably didn't even know if he was actually going to run in any event. Running him on the first leg was correct because he's not used to running outside of lanes, especially against older runners. If he stayed at the Olympic Village, he probably ate garbage food (see other articles on this), which doesn't help. I also wonder how many workouts he actually ran. Running a 47 sec 400m is actually real good for a 16 year old, we're just used to seeing him set age-group records. He had a right to be there, finishing 6th in the USA trials. He'll be 20 at the next olympics and hopefully won't be so run-out that he won't be able to compete.
If we can figure this out so can they. I fully agree with you, something feels off and wrong about the entire field of the runners in the Olympics.
The best line I heard one of the reporters say was: To win the 4x100m, you don't need the four fastest runners; you need the fastest four runners! BTW, thank you for the compliment. As a Canadian, I was EXTREMELY proud of our men. They went into that race as extreme underdogs to almost the entire field. They went out and did what they'd practised hundreds on times, and pulled it off in competition. It was a delightful surprise! 😃👍
Honest question: What's the difference? (I appreciate track and field, but I'm FAAAR from an expert.)
@@CameronCajun It was just a clever play on words inferring that team speed is more important than individual speed in the 4x100 relay.
I'm so happy for Degrasse. He was hampered by injuries this entire Olympics, but he ran the race of his life when and where he needed too!
@@MrEgofreak yeah, I think it may be the race he remembers the fondest in years to come.
South Africa ran with two teenagers ,they 2nd fastest runner was injured.
Canada was the oldest team, (average age was 30.5) and two were slightly injured, including a recovery of Covid.
Well said Coach Rob! The 4X100 relay is not just individual speed. It is team speed along with team baton transfer skills! Team Canada ran together as a team many times. Congratulations Team Canada!
Exactly right. Canada had near perfect exchanges and kept up the pace all the way around. A bad handoff slows the next runner. Even if the U.S. had not been disqualified, they had such bad handoffs in more than one zone, that they never would have won, or even medaled anyway.
You generally have fast enough men, but their egos are bigger that's why they keep making rookie mistakes
canada individually weren't as fast but they executed way better as a team and got lucky with lyles being out and the US being typically crap at relay.
With such rookie errors still lyle wouldn't have bailed them out@@InTecknicolour
@@Hunkydorry46well had noah been healthy, the lineup would’ve been as planned, coleman-fred-kenny-noah. the line up they practiced on
@@Hunkydorry46 didn’t they get a DQ? It wouldn’t have mattered what time they ran.
Well, actually they all like each other. The issues are the coaches and the last minute changes. USA are known for switching legs too often between heats and finals. Plus, they barely practice baton exchanges.
Track coach from Canada here. One of the things not mentioned is the technique Canada, and most other nations, use was developed in Canada before the '76 Olympics by a coach named Gerard Mach. We had decent sprinters but none were medal contenders so why not focus on the relays. Today most high school teams in Canada use this method and the beauty of this system is that it is simple. As our sprinters developed the method paid dividends. What I see the Americans doing is taking something simple and complicating it; not so much by ego and team BS, but more by the fact they don't know what they should be doing.
I guess they can avail themselves of the Canadian technique and with their speed have the odds in their favour to win every relay from now on. I’m sure somewhere someone is thanking you. 😊.
🦉WHO? 😂😂😂😂 Thank you De Grasse and Co for being the chairmen of the "WHO" club. 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦🥇🥇🥇🥇
WHO?😂😂
@@michaelacker1617gold 🥇 that’s who!
@@michaelacker1617 Lyles identifies as an Owl.
@Eddybo22 Degrasse showed that cocky bugger who 😂 🇨🇦J🇯🇲
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Great analysis!! As a Canadian, I was disheartened by the individual performances of our men. Some bad luck (the false start DQ), injury (DeGrasse's hamstring), and some not 100% that day running. I was hopeful of the 4x100m, because we often seem to excel here - and boy did we! Each man came out and ran, with some of the smoothest transitions I've seen. Talk about ending on a high note!!
The US, I was fearful of, given the performances of each man on that squad - but then I saw it fall apart. The sloppiness in the transitions was surprising! The lack of practice was apparent. I don't know if it's ego, or what, but the term 'team' truly doesn't apply here.
Who? Canada, WHO? CANADA!! WHOOO? C-A-N-A-D-A!!!
Congrats Canada on that Gold! Cheers.
💯 Great points HOWEVER, 15m video to document US relay failures… should’ve been 3-5m tops. Fact is a baton hand-off is REALLY simple…. recipient to time his/her start (picking a point where baton is approaching), and control acceleration. And of course for passer to maintain stride with minimal deceleration thru pass.
From an American...
I'm surprised that the American men can actually run at all what with the weight of their egos weighing them down.
Congrats to Canada!
@@gr8dvd I know, but he needed the extra 10 min to blow off steam! LOL. He said so himself.
Seeing Coleman run into Bednarek was embarrassing😂 then when he finally got the baton he didn’t even run …it’s like he was upset 😂
With that kind of situation, it is 100% receiving runner's fault, and he knew it.
Your comment is spot on remember in the past Noah Lyles stated Canada who from that day on they started to disrespected the rest of the world. As a Jamaican we love track and field we admire even athletes from other countries, but we see that the Americans start to disrespect the rest of the world when you start to do that you lose focus
Wholeheartedly agree!! As a Canadian, the picture in my mind is Bolt & DeGrasse sharing a smile at the end of that one race! That's mutual respect & admiration. Sure they're competitors, but you don't have to slag other nations - especially if you're the one on top! The USA isn't known for their humility (I know, broad stereotype, but often it's true!)
You named ONE American who trashed talk and are trying to curse all of these youngsters who have worked hard and are gracious. Before olympics sha'carri was going on and on about how she loved one of the Jamaican sprinters and uring went to check on Julien after her win...and did you not see the picture of Simone and Jordan giving Andrade her flowers? please
I'm just a casual fan who really only pays attention during the olympics, but appreciates the jaw dropping talent of these guys. But I also appreciate the history. As a Canadian, the 96 Atlanta games were pivotal. Coming off the embarrassment of the Ben Johnson era, Canadian team had been building up to those games. And Bailey was on a mission to be the best in the world. I think we all knew he'd probably win the gold but in the Relay it wasn't anywhere near certain....at least for fans.
Prior to those olympics the USA was more than just dominant. In 70 years they had only lost the gold 3 times. That's absolutely ridiculous. The aura around the finals was that yes, Bailey was the best but this is the 4 x 100! It's the event for the USA. When that team destroyed team USA and the field (sorry...lol, but they did)...it really stunned everyone. Go watch the youtube of it....the stadium was absolutely silent. I really think it was only the Canadian team members who actually knew they were probably going to win.
Maybe it's just a coincidence, but it kind of seems like USA sprinting has never been the same since Atlanta. Yeah...they won the gold in Sydney in 2000 but nothing since (Olympics; again..forgive me for just being a casual fan).
It's guys from that 96 team that have coached and brought up this generation of Canadians. Glenroy Gilbert, Bruny Surin, Esmie, Bailey....they all mentored this generation. But also maybe it's just a case of other countries catching up. Obviously Jamaica, but also Trinidad, the UK, Brazil, Italy, etc...they've all had big moments in sprinting. A lot of sports are going this way. The gap in basketball for example, has been closing. The USA still being more dominant than in sprinting but I'd bet in the next 20 years we'll see that grip on the top probably start to be chipped away.
Cool video! Thanks.
Ben Johnson is a scapegoat, he was the best. Lewis, Mitchell and the Jamaican who ran for GB Christie were doped to the gills, but people only remember Johnson, he was vilified for no reason. They're all on contaminated orange juice.
Michael Johnson on BBC Olympic coverage was suitably dismayed and said that, based on performance, the USA should no longer be ‘expected’ to win this relay.
Great commentary! Getting disqualified 50% of the time in this event must be a record!
That is what you get for ridiculing Canada.
Yeah, there are plenty of it, redicule in every aspect , including sport in your country
Canada is the better north american
@@dimakhidarkovskiy2175what’s redicule mean?
I love Canada. Americans shouldn't ridicule Canada, just its leader.
From an outsider's perspective, Americans seem to focus more on individuals than being a team in their team sports. So that one person is celebrated as the star with the rest of the team as support characters. Does this create an environment where people compete against each other rather than work together? I'm South African btw.
Honestly that is a pretty fair assessment. I wish it were different, but that is a problem we face.
I agree
A'ho, Friend! Maybe an outside perspective is what's needed. Your assessment, albeit a somewhat accurate one, sounds like a great theatrical play and not a track team. But again, I'll take it! The USA Track Stars aren't the problem. However, the coaches are. As a coaching staff, and in practice, concentrate more the basics, like correct handoffs. Just a thought! Chi'en(Respect), My Lady Osu!🥋👊
@@stephenkhalfani9838 lol maybe I used the theatrical play because no one can put on a show like USA! Thank you for giving this insight.
Bingo. Thats exactly what I think the issue is. They are talented, but perhaps a clash of egos, maybe?…I am from Canada, and my thoughts were as long as the U.S passes the baton smoothly, they should be untouchable….Also, from what heard, their goals were to break the Jamaican record. Instead of focusing on the Jamaican record, they should have been focused on the Gold. The time should not matter…One last thing I will also bring up. Earlier this year, Lyle’s and the team laughed at the thought of Canada being a threat. That was a huge mistake! That video obviously did not age well, and it’s since gone viral…..Coach Rob, it’s too bad you were not their coach to humble them, since you knew this.
Humble pie for "Canada who" arrogance is ugly.
Just out here being proudly South African. Well done SA!
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🇿🇦💚 so glad that Simbine got a medal!!
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Congratulations South Africa! From Canada!
Southern Africa is producing serious sprinters…watch this space
Athletics development particularly in sprinting has clearly been doing something right in SA. We need to continue widening the intake nets to make sure even more of the most talented kids from all over the country get funneled into the best development schools. I'm also extremely impressed with our neighbours Botswana, they're doing something right with their sprinters that side as well! Love to see it!
Cool! The more competition, the merrier. The Olympics was more interesting with Botswana winning the men's 200m instead of Jamaica or the U.S. It IS world competition, so bring on the world at its finest!
Congratulations Canada. Andre De Grasse, THAT MAN always show up! BTW I am new here. Great Video
As a high school track coach for 17 years, even my worst 4x100 team had better hand-off technique than my beloved Team USA. These are 15-18 year olds! 😂 But we also spend the last 15 to 20ish minutes of EVERY practice doing hand-off drills. If you mess a baton pass up, then the entire team (distance runners included) does push-ups. It may sound harsh to some, but it works. I also have a military background, so that's why I've implemented push-ups as a corrective action (AKA Punishment). We haven't had a botched hand-off in a track meet in nine years. 😂😂😂
To today's ultra-fragile types, it's harsh. It's sports, it's not harsh. It's a way to learn via consequences. "Punishment" by doing push-ups is within bounds.
In particular, this is how YOUNG MEN learn to take things seriously. No excuses. No do-overs. Mess up, pay a price. Every time.
And if an athlete shrugs off the punishment’s discomfort to himself, then a coach can legitimately extend the discomfort to the whole team exactly because it IS a team, a voluntary social unit. It’s simply adding in the power of social pressure as a motivator when direct correction of an athlete isn’t working. In a team situation, it’s completely fair.
The Americans were too focused on beating Bolt's record of 36.86 seconds and that led to the mistake this year. You can see the speed with which Coleman crashed into Kenny B. They should run to win rather than focusing on records. Great analysis from you.
Bolt doesn’t have the record, the team does.
@@igbirikifaye Kenny left too early so when he retreated Coleman crashed onto him
The mistake was on Bednarek . He started way too early and to near completely stop.
Kenny wasnt even looking. He started blind
It was Bednarek's mistake. Not Coleman who had to maintain or increase speed to catch Bednarek who took off too quickly. When he slowed down, Coleman then slammed into him.
Coach Rob, the goat of honesty! Love your vids. Jamaican living in Canada and I’m still waiting for the USA to sort out their issues. Not gonna lean in and criticize but only wish them good luck next time. Congrats to my Canadian goat Degrasse!
Jamaican in usa. It's time to criticize. This has been happening for far too long
@@JamaicanMeCrazy truth is the Jamaican athletes are to be commended for being so humble but I wish I could say the same about the fans. Ya’ll need to wake up!
@@gunnerz98 this is definitely true. In this case I think what I said is true though. USA should be getting the stick around
@@JamaicanMeCrazy I guess I just choose love for my brothers regardless of nationality.
@@gunnerz98Wake up to what?? Jamaicans Awoke when they saw Noah Lyles got Whipped front and back by a Dark Horse. TEBOGO
Congratulations Canadá team especially my favourite Canadian runner Degrasse
May I remind everyone what Noah Lyles said when asked about the threat of the Canadian team: "who? who? who???" The Americans have too much ego to practice and improve together as a team.
NBC was just as bad. I watched the relay on NBC and they didn't even show the Canadian team before the start and barely showed any other team besides the U.S.. Terrible coverage of the race.
such arrogance. and running even with covid.
Thats black culture in the US, Yall being too sensitive. Its called roasting and not done to insult. It something we do culturally. If you hang around black Americans and they DONT roast you, it means they dont like or respect you.
@@thebrazilshow ah, so you’re saying that the lack of class behavior is more to do with race rather than that individual? I guess when they rob your store, it’s also a sign of respect that they think you sell good products.
@@thebrazilshow Noah has no respect for anyone. Arrogance and lack of practice is what took down the American team.
Just saw a CBC interview where they mentioned that Andre DeGrasse ran a final leg of 8.89. Unbelievable.
While nursing a slight hamstring pull.
Crazy because Courtney Lindsey ran a final leg 8.88 in the semis. Just goes to show what the US is capable of vs what they actually do
the fastest legs were Zharnel Hughes and Simbine though who ran an 8.79 I think. Read it somewhere. So happy for Simbine, he's finally got a medal he deserved a long time back.
@alansamuel2454 Thank you. South African 🇿🇦 here, we are so happy that Simbine finally got a medal. He has been so consistent. We were already proud of him, but we just wanted that medal for him, for all his hard work and consistency.
@@siyabongakunene5052I'm Indian. And yes, I consider Simbine the best African sprinter no question. Omanyala might have faster times, but only in Kenya and he's not been in the game anywhere as long as Simbine. He's been in this for a decade now since 2013 and always just missed the podium from 2016 onwards. My heart broke thinking he would retire without an Olympic medal until yesterday when he got the silver and I was over the moon. Thank God he can take a final bow with some Olympic silverware to his name.
Couldn't agree more.Practise makes perfect.Love that Canada won
If there's one thing I love about CZcams, it's passionate people making me care about things that I've never given a second thought. Great video man.
Thanks for your comment. And for watching. I really appreciate it!
@@SCATrackandField and if there's two things, it's creators actually responding! I'll toss you a sub for that 👍 Have a good one my dude.
The last time we did this I was in Canada House in Atlanta sitting on the couch in front of the big screen next to Donovan Bailey's Mom and kid brother watching Robert, Glenroy, Bruny, and Donovan do the same thing. Our team this year limped into the finals by the skin of their teeth, but after their semi they still had easy room for improvement, so I was still hoping. If they could clean up their 2nd and 3rd handoffs, they could medal. They altered Degrasse's check to give him more time to accelerate on that bum hamstring, cleaned up the second handoff and made some magic. With 7 Olympic medals, Degrasse is officially Captain Clutch.
Hey Coach. Great perspective. You are spot on about the Canadian Team and their consistent members. Combined, they probably have the most major championship relay medals than any other nation. They seem to always be in the medals without the US fire power. Add to that, they are by far the oldest team lining up (average age +30). I'm surprised that you (USA) don't have Carl Lewis running that program. (Fun fact: Canada also keeps the same relay coach for years and years. It's Glenroy Gilbert who won the 4x100m gold medal 🏅 in the 96 Olympics).
GLENROY! BLAST OFF!!! unforgettable. And yeah... it's a legacy thing.
Like tennis, the serve is the most important point of the game. A good baton pass is the most important in the relay.
The Chinese proved that in these games during their heat. Strong team cohesiveness and no individualism. Egos are set aside for precision and cool heads. Those dudes don't have the blazing speed of many other countries but smooth=FAST!
Good baton pass is a stretch, the US need to just have a baton pass at least. I thought after the WC win they would at least be in medal contention but always had the gut feeling they might drop the baton or mess it somehow
I really hope your channel blows up, you’re great at breaking down all things and are very genuine. Keep pushing my friend 🔥
Thanks for the comment. I really appreciate it! More than you know.
@@SCATrackandField Yes I love your take on things, always neutral and objective! keep up the good work!
Agree with the above. Good job Coach Rob! I appreciate your comments and insight.
Embarrassing, infuriating, inexcusable, Thanks for breaking it down, Coach Rob.
Tbh born and raised in Toronto canada .and ran track for years .we here in canada get tought early about passing the baton around .it's like we mastered that .I look at half these countries, especially u.s.a, and their hands are not back waiting for the baton .they put their hands back when the man is running up on them .also calling out the person too late and leaving too early .all these things are factors that we mastered in canada as youngins and it shows at international meets all the time .Great job again boys .gi canada go .
And as happened at the first attempted handoff, the exiting runner takes off too early, and then has to practically stop, as the approaching runner is slowing down for the handoff.
@ultrastandphoenix1883 exactly it seems like US leave the baton exchanges up to the athletes to figure out amongst themselves
I ran track as well in school in Canada when I was a kid. Individual and relay. We always had solid technique. Never, ever, ever had an issue. You're always told not to take off too fast. Getting that baton in hand as quickly and securely as possible within the handoff zone was always the focus.
Coach Rob , I am from South Africa and i would have loved for you to speak about the other teams that ACTUALLY won. They worked extremely hard to be recognised. Africa just won a medal , it's monumental for us and i watch your videos just for you to complain about the USA. We had A high schooler in the team. Respect us, We deserve our flowers.
South Africa did wonderful! So happy for Simbine, he deserves this medal more than anybody. My heart broke when I saw another bronze in the 100 and thought he might have to take a bow with not even a single Olympics medal. And yes he's inspired a lot of youngsters, South Africa's sprint future looks very promising.
Fellow South African,so proud of our team🙏🙌❤
He literally gave Tebogo his props in another video. THIS video discusses the issues facing US men's 4x4. If you didn't like the subject of the video, you should have scrolled past.
@MerlotBaby Tebogo is from Botswana not South Africa, so not the same country. But super proud of Tebogo as a fellow African ❤️
@eleanorandrews6048 never said he was from South Africa. My point is he gives other runners outside of the US props. You just wanted to complain about him focusing on the American team
Congratulations to the great Canadian men 4x100 team ! I never doubted them.
Great video coach. Love the analysis and content. I did track here in England from the age of 13 to 22. I ran for my local club and got to compete for GB and England at juniors level. We practiced relays like it was a the most important thing and we got rewarded with the results. I remember when my coach held a meeting with all the other coaches at the club and said we need to get together once or twice a month throughout the winter training and get these kids comfortable running with each other cause when the outdoor season starts just throwing them together and expecting them to win all the time because we happen to be the best club in the region aint going to cut it. when we then have to run against kids from all over the country that have been drilling at it for ages we would always come up short but once we took it serious we were always in the mix.
I literally lost my mind yesterday. HIGH SCHOOL teams can maximize the baton exchange, but we run up on each other, or away from each other, drop batons...........etc. Carl Lewis lost his mind too. No excuse for this. Good video
To be fair, exchanges get more difficult as runners become faster because the length of the passing zone stays the same.
Go Canada!!! 4x 100m GOLD!
4x1000? 🤔 That would be one long relay. 😂
@@my3dviews Correceted LOL
@@JeffLynnesELOFan I prefer the 4x10,000m relay. 😄
CANADA HAD A BETTER TEAM. Period.
Canada has been the better team
Nonsense. If the USA doesn't mess the passing up Canada would never beat the US. They are never a threat. Keep telling yourself what you need to.
Canada always had experience in relay same team = success
But thats his point or did it go over your head@JJ_house
@@jojo-cw2tm A better team because they train as a team. Just picking the four fastest guys you can find is a recipe for disaster. Admittedly, other teams have nowhere near the same choice as the Americans.
That's arrogance that is why they lose.
Talk it mi bredren
Where was jamrock in the 4x100 final again ?
@@SuperKamiGuruu
What has jamaica got to do with this.
@@rosaworksrosaworks9410 Ignore. It's just another anti-Jamaican hater trying to incite negativity.
@@SuperKamiGuruu What has Jamaica got to do with this... Atleast they not DQued.. 2.8 million people got 330 million people so presseddd..
Coach Rob's analysis is always insightful--and entertaining. Thanks for your devotion to, and passion for, track!
not much cause if he watched the race, he would've noticed that USA women only won, BECAUSE THE BRITS F'd it UP
How do the USA men keep failing at getting the stick around! It seems like a curse.
Definitely a curse lol
@@justWIN96 NOT a curse, just arrogance and indolence!
@@justWIN96curse is the excuse to fall back on to not acknowledge the lack of practice, serious incompatibility and ego issues etc. The US also in a way have too many top sprinters, so they usually end up changing someone in the relay. Other countries have a handful and it's usually been the same guys practicing and having history running together at relays.
I don't think it is a curse, it is the ego's, They need to learn to put it aside and learn to get along as a team. But for the last few years they treated the relays like its Destiny's Child and Noah lyles like beyonce in the team, creates division and toxicity. I knew when he was out of 4x100 they will wobble, not because he is the best in the squad but because they were training like he was the best instead of everyone is equal. It actually comes down to the management of the squad and the favoritism and inequality they spread. @SCATrackandField correct me if I am wrong as i don't mean any disrespect just my opinion.
@@lynncronje59 I like the comparision to Destiny's child. Very apt. And yea I agree too it's all around Lyles being the star and others as side characters to help him only. Not good for what's supposed to be a team
Your commentary was very interesting. Thank you. Love from Canada.
I'm an old guy who has been following Canadian track and field since the 1960s. This is very good analysis. The powers need to to do something like what you suggest if the USA is ever to be a consistent winner in the 4x100 again.
some fantastic analysis sir! GO CANADA! =)
The coaches as well as the runners need to be held accountable.
Does it seem like some of the US guys are always more of enemies than teammates?
Yes. It does. That’s one of the reasons that affects them in the relays. Too much egos and no camaraderie and working together.
Lyles in his 100m win conference literally singled out Kenny when he was asked about the 200m and mentions the US Olympic trials. Like dude y’all are on the same team. It would have been better to talk about Tebogo or anyone else but why single out another US athlete. That just goes to show you the prevailing attitude and Gatlin confirmed it in a podcast with Asafa.
Yes! They trash talk each other too 😂 Too much ego
Yes that's why the the semi squad did so well. There's no hate between these 4 men. Maybe we should just kick Noah off the relay because I think they all hate him but everyone else seems to get along just fine
@@wesleyowens4089 -apparently not.
@@wesleyowens4089Noah wasnt there in this finals and I agree they dont like him - last year they got gold at WC for the relay - Noah is all about practice, practice and I know he didnt say it politely last year but they practice
4:35 ... You said, "this US Mens 4x100m Relay has been Messed up for a Long Time!" You Ain't Never Lied!!!! lol
Pretty pathetic. We never botched handoffs even in high school.
Exactly 💯 % in high school.
there is a big difference doing it in HS versus in a competition with heavy pressure
@Emerald449 What's the difference? It's only a technique. Each team develops their own baton passing techniques. Whether it be for a High School State Championship, the NCAA Championship, or the Olympics. Kevin was at fault for that mishap because he left too soon to retrieve the baton. I watched it 3 times.
@@Emerald449 not really, that’s the most pressure you’ve been in at that point of your track career in high school and you don’t have much experience running in front of crowds, most also care more about what others think of them while young in school.
While more pressure than normal, the majority of Olympic athletes have done large meets and televised meets and have had more time to adapt to the added pressure of large meets and interviews, they’ve matured typically and don’t worry about others opinions.
Pressure is pressure, conditioned adults typically handle it better than inexperienced kids. No excuses for USA’s baton woes the last 20 years.
@@patrickhenry2845 And even if it's only a technique you can mess it up any time, especially on the bigger stages and it doesn't matter how much you have practiced it. Also never did I mention Kevin or that he wasn't at fault.
Right on with your analysis. Too much emphasis on individuals and not enough on teamwork. That's the USA.
Too much egos
C A N A D A + J A M A I C A in my blood...Welcome to Toronto USA...
Welcome to JamCan, where The Players play! Robbing all the medals from the USA - The 4 by 1 - yes, the relay!
Well said and researched. That was a good analysis. The major take aways are; train together and win together. Don't fill people in slots at last minute. Secondly, to respect your competitors. Don't underestimate them.
🗣️SAY IT LOUDER SO THE US TEAM CAN HEAR YOU 😂
US women were lucky that the last UK handover was botched up
6th straight Olympics bombing it; '04, '08, '12, '16, '21 & '24. Canada literally had NOBODY in the 100/200m Finals & still ran 37.50 for Gold just 0.02s off their 37.48 NR! Time to put Mechelle Freeman (Women's Relay Coach) who has been much more successful than Mike Marsh (Men's Relay Coach) in charge of ALL RELAY TEAMS! In the W4x1, GB's Dina Asher-Smith monstered the 1st leg & handed off well to Imani Lansiquot who had a bad hand-off to Amy Hunt who had a bad hand-off to Daryll Neita, would've been an even more exciting foot race on that final leg!
If you watched the women's 4 x 100 m final, you would know that they also struggled too today! If it wasn't for Richardson killing the final leg, the USA women's team would have been under heavy criticism too!
I saw that too
@@hmrhuang But they've now won 3yrs in a row; '22 WC, '23 WC & '24 OLY beating JAM that had the likes of Shericka, Shelly & Elaine in that period!
They've been fucking up for Erriyon's entire lifetime. Bro has literally never seen USA do well after the games in his entire life 😂😂😂
@@AllInTheGame01They've also won 3 of the last 4 Olympics with gold in 2012, 2016 and 2024.
Wow, glad i found your channel...The breakdowns are literally whats in my head, but explained impeccably 😂💯👏🏽
I ran 4x100, spring 1980, high school, first leg from Atlanta Ga , second leg from Los Angeles, Ca, third leg from Brooklyn, Ny, Me? I was fourth leg from West Newbury, Ma. Our Goal? Pass the baton within the passing zone, always. WE ran flat first place all Spring thank you coach, Edward Rybicki, RIP, man.
Team South Africa ran with teenagers the oldest is 23 Team South Africa has a great future
Say, homeboy. I just learned FAR more in 10 minutes of watching your video than I did from the commentators during the entire Olympics. Great content! Your channel deserves a million subs.
Four blazing fast INDIVIDUALS that can't function as TEAM.
In my opinion, about 90% of the problem is coaching, I think the people are chosen based upon their popularity, whether they belong to the Nike, Puma, Adidas club, and personalities. The other 10% needs to be based on if they have an IQ above 100.
U are honestly right in what you saying. If I am not supporting my own country South Africa 🇿🇦, then I am supporting USA, I think they too swollen headed. Like Benarek said he want recognition!!
Hi Coach Rob, great review of this race. This frustrated me so much to see again but in a worse way this Olympics. I ran track since I was a kid into college and I've seen many relay races. I experienced my best 4x100 relay races when I was in middle school, high school, and part of a private club running due to consistency and practice with the same guys. When I got to college our team would always do Friday runoffs to see who was the fastest in the 100. I was always in the top four, but it was driving me crazy that we were always changing up the team and positions. There were multiple times we had bad handoffs and even dropped the baton a few times. I told our coaches we needed consistency but they never listened to me. I realized that this was not just my college, but it was a lot of college teams that did this practice and I soon realized that it came down to whoever was the luckiest to finish a race or those that had consistency in their relay team.
Big up to team South Afrika. Akani finally getting his medal. He's truly one if the best ever...
You totally nailed it. It's a history of failure. It's is insane how often USATF blows baton passes. This should have been a lock.
It's called practicing together as a team like Canada does. The Americans looked like the 4 stooges,
fumbling around with the baton and running into each other. 😄😄😄😄
100% agree...Glad the Chairman of the WHO club was not there.
Glenroy Gilbert is Canada's head coach, relay gold in 1996
I’m just gonna say it, I think the lineup from World Relays should have stayed and automatically gone to Paris because they ran the time to qualify. That team had some of the best handoffs that the U.S. has had in YEARS, no reason to change it. Damn near all the other teams kept their lineups the same when they qualified, and here we were with our thumbs up our butts thinking “who’s gonna be on the relay?” when we had a team that worked and could practice together because they were 20 minutes away from each other. Hell, Coleman moved to Dennis Mitchell and Kerley was hopping back and forth between LA and Miami, so they all could have gotten something done together.
True analysis bruh. You break down the factual consequences of a poor training approach in a relatable way. Speed never goes into a slump, so technique counts when the margin of error is measured in milliseconds.
The arrogance of Lyles is the root of the American relay failure. Men who carry themselves like that are parasites in a team situation. Other nations quietly go about their business while people like Lyles spend their time posturing and showboating like an insecure child. It actual gives fuel to his competitors. It's a really bad strategy and a sad commentary on the athletes and coaches for the US in international athletics.
He mocked Canada when he was questioned about the Canadian US rivalry. He showed incredible arrogance and no respect.
Does he know WHO Canada is now ??? Karma... it's a thing.
“…like an insecure child.” Exactly. This is a young man who never learned humility and respect, the marks of any mature man.
As a former elite swimmer, I can feel you on the, "....all I knew is that I was losing whenever we lined up." Also, the way track and field does the relays is exactly the same way the Olympic swimmers do their relays. At this point I just have to believe that the baton pass is much harder than gaging when the swimmer coming to the wall's gonna touch so you don't leave the block too soon. Loved this video. Thanks so much.
It's not only in the Men's 4x100m that the US is struggling. At the World Athletics Relays in Bahamas the US Men's 4x400m team was DQ'd in Round 1 for not knowing the rules and at the Olympics they finished 3rd in their heat by a whisker because of screw ups.
South Africa won silver in the 4x100m in 37.57 sec with two teenagers and only one athlete with a sub 10 sec PB
I hope their coaches watch your video. Makes perfect sense. Great presentation!!
On the bright side, America's relay teams have brought great joy to sports fans from anywhere else on the planet for a long, long time.
This is the best video you’ve ever made and I appreciate your constructive criticism and telling the truth. As a former distance runner and longtime Track fan, this explains some of the nuances of the 4x100 I don’t fully understand.
Could you please do a video on:
1. The controversy over the 4x400;
2. WADA and the evolution of the worst part of the sport - Doping. I live for T&F and it sickens me because of the fact that some athletes are extremely suspicious and why a lifetime ban for confirmed cases isn’t the rule, as Michael Phelps has recently advocated for, and Gatlin was able to return after a year plus ban.
I love Usain Bolt and the fact that all, almost all or most of his competitors during 2008-16 were caught at least once, including Blake, and he was a clean athlete and even though I was a distance runner I love him more than anyone else in T&F history.
3. How the “Wheresbouts” violations details work. How does a professional athlete miss 3 unannounced testing days happen?
If I had the opportunity to be a professional runner I would do everything possible to make sure I didn’t miss once but I guess it can happen once to anyone but 3 in a year is either proof that they are avoiding the testing or not being professional athletes and deserve a suspension.
Coleman did this and proclaimed his innocence, which could be true, but his situation would be a good example to explain the process.
Thank you Coach Rob for your continued knowledge and success!!!
Lots of emphasis is placed on individual performances and the relay teams are an afterthought. I hope they can get it together. I’m proud of the 🇨🇦 boys. You can tell they like each other 👏
yes the Canadians have no ego issues and don't call out each other or make dumb beefs at conference meets. They know they always are in contention for a relay medal and do their absolute best team effort. And De Grasse on anchor is arguably one of the best anchors in sprint history, he's outrun Justin Gatlin, Lyles, he always shows up in the relays.
These brothers need to stop slathering warm butter all over the baton before each 4x100 final!
It's the hype that America is the best. Like children who grew up being told they were very smart facing up to the reality that they are, at best, average in elite universities that tend to admit the 'best' students.
There's no shame in losing. What's wrong is to assume they will win and... Worse still, could have won had they done something different.
That's entitlement. Never won anybody anything.
America still IS the best. Take the average 100m times of the fastest four 100m runners of every country, and Team USA wins hands down.
@@thebighousencaaattendancer478fastest 4 times ever? Because jamaica would like to disagree. Asafa to kishane to yohan to bolt would be damn near 35s race 😂
@@datname1939You are correct. But I'm talking about the four fastest runners at THESE Olympics.
PRIMA DONA mentality! You nailed it.
Brendon Rodney absolutely ripped up that track. A joy to watch. For a Canadian! 😁
Noah .remember who .Canada always lerking between u.s.a and jaimaca .every olympics we do something special .and relays we always historical have great baton exchanges. Go canada go .Great job gentleman.
You hit the nail on the head with this. The lineup and orderdid them in. The order more so. Also it seems they concentrate more on speed first, then execution. They need to get a new coach for the team. Great post.
Good video. You should be the consultant for the USA track team.
Who made the decision to change the order of the runners? With Lyles ill, just change the anchor. The team did fine in the semis. Canada adheres to the saying, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it."
They always have baton change problems.
Canada wasn't the fastest team but they executed the exchanges very well . Remember the relay coach Glenroy Gilbert (Donovans Bailey's teammate in 1996) trained those men to the highest level
DQ 50% of the time means that there is no "team" just four sprinters trying to get a stick around. At the speed they run, there is no way. Relay is strategy to accentuate the fastest and mitigate the slower ones, practice as a team in the order, practice as a team in the order. Relay is all in the exchanges. Coached track and field for 25 years. It's not always the fastest members on paper, which was proven here, again. The coach of the US men's relay team is apparently not performing.
I started following TAF like five years ago. I was drawn in by all these amazing individual athletes and I was so excited for the relay because I assumed it was going to be phenomenal. I was so confused when I got into the comments and found so many veteran fans cringing. Learning that the team was just thrown together after quals was a big surprise and explained a LOT. It's strange that there's no team investment. Branding and promoting individuals is cheaper, I guess, but it's still a shame. I had no idea the DQ percentage was that high until this video, either. Crazy stuff
Noah would have gotten blamed if he was on team thank goodness lol 😂 Kenny probably wanted to win so bad just to fall in Noah’s face lol…. Congrats to them all… feel better Noah ❤maybe we need Noah 😂😂
I suggest we put up a dedicated 4x100m team just for relay purposes. For Olympic trial, after those qualified for 100m and 200m individual games, the next 6 fastest short runners form a dedicated 4x100 team. They practice together only for relay purposes. I bet you will not see any disqualification, and better chance of winning medals.
I agree with him. I was thinking the same with the women, even though they won the Gold. Their pass was shaky and could have cost them the Gold. I saw it happen twice, but the speed is just incredible, and the anchor makes up ground. Some of the women are probably not training together. The relay is different than an individual run. Gabby said that. Your head space has to be different, meaning it has to be adjusted for the other team members. The women's team is smart, talented and experienced, and they probably work together better without ego. Men have egos. The male Olympians need to make themselves team players. The problems they are having is the reason why they don't send rookies to the Olympics. This baton thing is like a rookie issue with seasoned and super-fast runners. The people beating them are not even as fast. They execute. Why be on a relay team, if you are going to think like an individual. Lack of teamwork and respect for other people is a common issue, even on jobs. It is just that nobody is passing a baton.
The women have less competition. There still aren’t nearly as many countries that take women’s track seriously compared to the men.
i was always told as a sprinter (4X400) is, "it doesn't matter how fast you go, it matters how fast you get the baton to go."