What is a Direct Drive? Rotary Tattoo Machines Explained | Fireside Technique | EP 40

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  • čas přidán 6. 08. 2024
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    Rotary tattoo machine technology has exploded over the last decade, which is great news for tattooers. But it often makes determining what machine to buy confusing and challenging. In this episode, we break down common rotary machine terminology and try to help you decide what type of machine is right for you. Enjoy!
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    Video Chapters:
    0:00 - Intro
    1:08 - What is a Direct Drive?
    3:14 - What "Give" Does for Your Tattoo
    5:49 - Cartridges' Role in the Equation
    8:15 - Machines with Give

Komentáře • 102

  • @JWtattooer
    @JWtattooer Před 5 lety +2

    Very informative. Thanks for explaining the differences so well. Would love to see more content like this comparing and contrasting the differences in equipment and machine types of all kinds.

  • @TheAaronGerenShow
    @TheAaronGerenShow Před 4 lety +9

    Thanks for doing this sorta stuff guys!
    This industry has always been so weirdly secretive. This sort of stuff is great for everyone!

  • @aceadam1828
    @aceadam1828 Před 5 lety +2

    Very interesting insight. Even tho i knew some stuff about rotarys i never thought about the bigger dots from give machines. Totally makes sense.

  • @user-fu6nq6in2x
    @user-fu6nq6in2x Před 5 lety +3

    best and most informative tattoo machine related video on youtube...i personally like direct drive

  • @ADR31416
    @ADR31416 Před 5 lety +1

    Awesome! thank you so much for this clip! All my doubts about direct drive and the type of rotary that I need have been cleared!

    • @typallotta756
      @typallotta756 Před 5 lety

      ADR31416 Glad this helped. Thanks for watching.

  • @MambusBambus
    @MambusBambus Před 5 lety

    great video & good info! thanks guys, keep it up

  • @juanocybe
    @juanocybe Před 4 lety

    this video was very useful and educative for me, massive thanks!

  • @chadharrington1
    @chadharrington1 Před 5 lety +2

    Very interesting. Looking forward to more info on this stuff!

  • @hugodraws
    @hugodraws Před 5 lety +17

    The idea of dot size with the same needle configuration is so useful... Explains some of the struggles I've been having between my coil and direct drive rotary machine... Thank you so much

    • @FiresideTattooNetwork
      @FiresideTattooNetwork  Před 5 lety +1

      Thanks for watching

    • @typallotta756
      @typallotta756 Před 5 lety +4

      It’s a real pleasure to share my excitement about machines and how I see them. Thanks Hugo.

    • @hbarb195
      @hbarb195 Před 2 lety +1

      You just gave me a whole new perspective, thank you for sharing!!

    • @hacedms
      @hacedms Před 2 lety +1

      This make me think about stretching.. it may as well be the way you stretch the skin that gives you the smaller dot. I've noticed that when I don't stretch that much when using rotaries it gives me thicker lines. It may also be related to the direction of the stretch itself.

  • @BooyooyTV
    @BooyooyTV Před 6 měsíci

    GOLD!!! well explained!

  • @seangardner1186
    @seangardner1186 Před 5 lety +7

    Oh yes!! This episode is really awesome. Been dying to know more about this topic exactly. You rule Jake

  • @brrrmanza
    @brrrmanza Před 5 lety +2

    Hey guys - I love both of you! It’s me, Brett! You guys are both wizards and I’m humbled to meet and collect work from you both. Definitely learned a ton at the show. See you guys next year!

    • @typallotta756
      @typallotta756 Před 5 lety +1

      Arcana of the Fool Lol, Much appreciated Brett. You have a bright future friend and thanks so much for the compliments!

  • @veraha4706
    @veraha4706 Před 5 lety

    Will you guys comment about Lacenano machine? I was so happy to see it in this video because I've been using it for 2 years now and would love to know "science" behind it. Nice video, love technique ep !

  • @asteak4405
    @asteak4405 Před 5 lety

    Really interesting. If I understand, for exemple to have good crispy lines it’s better or easier to use a give machine than a directdrive machine!

  • @sony150
    @sony150 Před 5 lety +25

    i loved every minute of this video! very informative and im glad there is someone here on youtube like you making this content

  • @Mario-nd3cr
    @Mario-nd3cr Před 4 lety

    Great info. Thanks

  • @rsttt9499
    @rsttt9499 Před 5 lety +2

    Great video series guys! 👌🏽👌🏽
    One question: could you guys tell me which pen style rotary machine is the most powerful on the market right now? Need solid lines with needlesizes from 7rl to 11rs. 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

  • @elcalacs431
    @elcalacs431 Před 5 lety +6

    Would love to hear your opinion on Swashdrive machines, thanks Jake!

  • @josephvargas9707
    @josephvargas9707 Před 4 lety

    Great content brother keep up he good wrk

  • @aphotic2620
    @aphotic2620 Před 4 lety +6

    Would really love to see you guys do a review on the Axys Valhalla!

  • @FlywheelAcademy
    @FlywheelAcademy Před 5 lety +2

    Awesome interview! For someone getting in doing SMP (head tattoo) do you feel machines w less ‘give’ ie direct dive are more suitable for shallow, small dot work? If so would greatly appreciate any equipment recommendation! Thanks!

  • @joelle070605
    @joelle070605 Před 5 lety

    Great video thanks

  • @Sinisterartstv
    @Sinisterartstv Před 5 lety +4

    I’ve been struggling with give and what I prefer since buying my swashdrive Vader it’s an amazing machine and feel like it’s improved my work. It’s got 20 give adjusting clicks. I’m way over thinking it all, somedays it works like a dream other days it feeling like things are taking way longer than they should compared to when I was using coils. I’ve gone from coils to direct drive pen to this machine and I’m questioning my whole career knowledge 😂

  • @machietheapachie7214
    @machietheapachie7214 Před 2 lety

    Any thoughts on the CNC adjustable P6 vs the direct to drive Q2? The latter has a German motor akin to the Bishop and is positively reviewed bit don't know much about the former

  • @JamesMinerTattoo
    @JamesMinerTattoo Před 5 lety +1

    Great interview. Would love to see a part 2 discussion about his opinions on several different machines

  • @CMTattoos
    @CMTattoos Před 4 lety +1

    can you make a review about dragofly vs other rotaries ?please guys //great takl however .

  • @rarefeeling2846
    @rarefeeling2846 Před rokem

    Quite interesting. I am looking to purchase a new machine. I currently have a Mast Tour Pro, and it's done quite well. But I've been looking at the Peak Nebula vs the Peak Azur Slider. Both are rotary. The slider comes with 3.5 stroke and 2 motors you can change out. While the Nebula is a direct drive with adjustable stroke from 0-4. Most of the work I am doing is black&gray. Not quite sure which I should go with. Does it really matter all that much? Once I'm comfortable with either I'm sure I'd be happy with whatever.

  • @keithatklint5380
    @keithatklint5380 Před 4 lety

    Yes it is very interesting to hear your thoughts, views and comments.

  • @xXNekou
    @xXNekou Před 4 lety

    I'm looking for a machine for linework (I like to use 11RL or 9RS for lines) and dotwork. Any recommendations? :)

  • @tattoobeezy4094
    @tattoobeezy4094 Před 5 lety

    Is it true that you have to use a bigger liner for a rotary than you would a coil? I was told that I'd I use a 3rl on a coil then I should use a 5rs on a rotary for the same line weight is that true?

  • @Comeriokid
    @Comeriokid Před 5 lety +1

    This was awesome man👌🏽

  • @charliev9455
    @charliev9455 Před 4 lety

    Could you put a small magnum needle on a bishop V6 3.5mm?

  • @leahollsson129
    @leahollsson129 Před 8 měsíci

    So am I correct in saying that putting the setting so it has a hard give makes it more like a direct drive machine?

  • @jptrout235
    @jptrout235 Před 3 lety

    I'm considering buying an inkjecta for packing color. Am I crazy? Or am I looking at the wrong machine

  • @Luiscarockstattoo
    @Luiscarockstattoo Před 3 lety

    thanks !!

  • @davidfields5366
    @davidfields5366 Před 5 lety +3

    Incredible interview

  • @ThePimpllo
    @ThePimpllo Před 4 lety

    Great points and tips in this video. Now i under why my buddy at work is scared to do shading cause all he uses are direct drive tattoo machines like the Spektra. He uses Cheyenne HAWK PEN for color packing. He has been making good lines but afraid to shade. As an apprentice he yet has not used a coil machine.

  • @Conflictproject69
    @Conflictproject69 Před 2 lety

    What machine would you recommend for just solid line work

  • @Abi_ness_art
    @Abi_ness_art Před 5 lety +1

    Hello fireside. Does the Cheyenne Pen have give? Love what youdo

    • @typallotta756
      @typallotta756 Před 5 lety

      Abigail.Siwan.Cansdale Van der leek No it does not.

  • @maragarza5013
    @maragarza5013 Před 4 lety

    How’s the Give compare on the Cheyenne pen machines?
    (relative to the no give bishop and the fk irons with give)

  • @ramihanania69
    @ramihanania69 Před 4 lety

    Is this vid'd part 2 out ?

  • @FrankieKato149
    @FrankieKato149 Před 4 lety

    Why you didn't mention HM or
    Vald Bald machines?

  • @Grove4571
    @Grove4571 Před 4 lety

    Worldwide tattoo came out with radical lux tattoo pen.
    Debating on the Motor: A - 12V Faulhaber 2607 & 10000 RPM (Operating Voltage: 6V to 12V)
    Wondering what your thoughts are on this specific pen. It's really new but would like your insight if i may.

    • @Grove4571
      @Grove4571 Před 4 lety

      @Ty Pallotta been a fan for a minute man just curious about this pen since its too new in my opinion. Love the videos by the way.

  • @whyamihere751
    @whyamihere751 Před 4 lety

    I'm a little confused here inkjecta for example that things way better than let's say a xion but the jectas a DD with no give and the xion has adjustable give and personally it sucks balls for packing

  • @andrewhanson9251
    @andrewhanson9251 Před 5 lety +6

    What about the throw distance of the machine and the effect of dot size?
    I like using machines with more throw length like 3.8-4.2mm. Does a shorter throw length affect the dot size?

    • @onewhitepony
      @onewhitepony Před 5 lety +5

      I dont think it affects the dot size.. but just gives you more room to work with.. Ive only been using rotaries about a year or so and Im rather new on it. i use the Axys Fehu direct drive machines and I messaged the company about his setups and he explained it to me... I have the 3.5 machine and the 2.5 mm machine.. he said on the 3.5 its more for color work or packing solid fields.. the 2.5 is a more softer machine for black and grey and its faster which means the dots will be "closer" together at the same voltage than say the 3.5. I know on the 3.5 when i shading, or pack something in i adjust my tube tip to where I want the needle to come out. I rarely have it flush down at the tube tip and it seems to pack in quicker and shade faster than if I had the full 3.5 going. I dont do that as much on my 2.5 because the distance is so shallow as it is. I hope that made sense. But it is direct drive..no give so that might explain why color work takes a little longer than black and grey according to this video. But for straight up linework i typically like using my coils

    • @andrewhanson9251
      @andrewhanson9251 Před 5 lety +3

      David Nash I use the axys fehu as well with 4.0 mm of throw. It packs color pretty well and I can even line with it, but I’m thinking of getting a new machine. Inkjecta im thinking

    • @typallotta756
      @typallotta756 Před 5 lety +1

      Andrew Hanson Yes a 3.2 technically will leave a smaller dot than a 4.2 shorter throw will generally lead to a smoother less aggressive cycle or hit as well.

    • @onewhitepony
      @onewhitepony Před 5 lety +1

      @@andrewhanson9251 oh cool! ive been using axys for about 6 months or so and I dig it.. I havent really sampled around with rotaries much but ive heard good things about inkjecta too :)

    • @aceadam1828
      @aceadam1828 Před 5 lety +1

      David Nash hey thats really interesting. Do you feel the shorter stroke gives you a smoother blend for black and grey ? I am thinking about buying a shorter stroke for my xion

  • @painville
    @painville Před 5 lety +10

    I’m so confused after seeing this... I use maximin give to do light shadows. Direct to pac solid color or black.. but this man is telling us that give packs more color ???? Wtf

    • @josephvargas9707
      @josephvargas9707 Před 4 lety +2

      Pe Painville u not the only one

    • @og_skullkid1387
      @og_skullkid1387 Před 4 lety +3

      He is talking about the difference in machine power used in combination with give and coloring. If your rotary has more power and has "give" then it will pack a lot of color quickly.
      I think. If I'm interpreting your question correctly and assuming the correct info based on this informative video.

  • @allenhiu8205
    @allenhiu8205 Před 5 lety +1

    I have a fk irons spektra edge and i find it difficult to pack solid black unless i had the voltage higher, like in the 9,10 range. Is that to be expected?

    • @mvandell
      @mvandell Před 5 lety

      that's also due to hand speed.

    • @addictionsininktattoosandp4158
      @addictionsininktattoosandp4158 Před 5 lety

      I have no issues. Set it at half the give and it packs smooth.

    • @typallotta756
      @typallotta756 Před 5 lety +1

      sweaty sweaty cheeses Not really. Just a little give should pack well. but you may have the stroke fully open. I think it is 4 or 4.2 mm . So shorten it a bit and you will see better saturation at lower volts. The voltage equals speed and if you can’t saturate good without running it faster it may be because of the cycle time of the longer stroke. It’s a great machine but I think they should make changeable cams as the adjustable one makes it too hard for artists to find what they like.

    • @allenhiu8205
      @allenhiu8205 Před 5 lety

      @@typallotta756 Thanks I will try it out!

  • @vapestar3705
    @vapestar3705 Před 2 lety

    If anyone is still commenting on this I wanna get some opinions.... eccentric wheel or direct drive for lining???let's say 3.5mm to 4mm stroke.your answer and explanation if possible.hopefully I'll get some answers

  • @GreenFusel
    @GreenFusel Před 5 lety +1

    Did he ever take apart a RotaryWorks machines? Recently bought one to replace my first unreliable no name coils and I'd love to know more about my machine, to know my tool, so I can use it better. Much appreciated ✌

    • @rickrandom6734
      @rickrandom6734 Před 5 lety +1

      Which one? They have direct drives, new crank cam machine, slimline which is kind of cam/slider machine with no give, springer has give, then they have pen machine.

    • @FiresideTattooNetwork
      @FiresideTattooNetwork  Před 5 lety +1

      Not sure but I'll ask him to jump on this thread and answer if so

    • @typallotta756
      @typallotta756 Před 5 lety +2

      Minifusel Not theirs but most Rotaries are easy to identify and break down and fall into simple categories so DM me pics of what you’ve got to @typ.art on Instagram and I can help. Although most look different on the outside the principles are basic and standard to one another.

    • @GreenFusel
      @GreenFusel Před 5 lety

      @@typallotta756 Will do, just saw your replay. Really appreciate it, man :)

    • @GreenFusel
      @GreenFusel Před 5 lety

      @@rickrandom6734 I got the Mk2 Slimline (Black Ali with 4.2mm stroke) :)

  • @CMTattoos
    @CMTattoos Před 5 lety +1

    WHAT ABOUT DRAGONFLY ROTARIES?
    i ll be glad to hear your opinion

    • @typallotta756
      @typallotta756 Před 5 lety +1

      CM_TATTOOS Hope to add them as well.

    • @CMTattoos
      @CMTattoos Před 5 lety

      @@typallotta756 ​ hope too /cause i believe dragonafly rotaries worth mentioned ..i have one long time now tested in thousands of work hours literally .exeptional machinery ..now i did modified for catridges and its really nice , and trustworthy machine.personally iam a coil fan ...but each style needs its own equipment yes ?
      its a liittle tiring to see all this trend about equipment.........- 24 years ago we did everything with 2-3 machines and its was ok also ..
      ii believe industry evolves in the expense of the pioniring and no new tattoo artist takes the time ,through trial and error to find out technical info about needles , machinery , pigments etc ..i really enjoyed the video cause iam allways learning and there is allways room for evolution and new knowledge ..so i have two requests my friend ..1- make one video in depth analysis about diferrent type of mchines (direct , give , or no give machines and why )
      2 -dragonfly machines pro cons and why did these machines survived in market through the war of marketing ..
      great job thoygh ..about the explainetaion ..iam using a lot of your videos (hope this is ok )for my students ..
      thanks for the repply and for the oppertunity to ask for this favour .
      thank you

    • @CMTattoos
      @CMTattoos Před 5 lety

      @@typallotta756 thanks i ll wait .have a great day

  • @BennyParcher
    @BennyParcher Před 2 lety

    the bishop machines have built in give in their motors.

  • @MillionPM
    @MillionPM Před 5 lety +1

    🤯

  • @duncankent1330
    @duncankent1330 Před 5 lety

    Never rest the tube tip on the skin that's called riding the tube and is a big no no

    • @typallotta756
      @typallotta756 Před 5 lety +2

      duncan kent That’s a matter of both opinion and equally divided at that. All depends on who mentored you and how they were taught.

  • @ShareXP
    @ShareXP Před 5 lety

    Educational, but I feel this information needs to be less free to the public, and made available to professionals only.. which is very challenging on CZcams. Too many specifics. You need to create a seminar system like Seth Ciferri's Machine Machine, and prevent "trade secrets" from becoming public knowledge. My two cents.

    • @tyatx9258
      @tyatx9258 Před 5 lety +3

      Paul Carlson Thanks for your feedback Paul. I am discussing rotary types and how I see them. These are my opinions on how they work. No trade secrets here, just common sense. Wait, who gave the public professional tattoo equipment in the first place?🤔The pot is now up to 4 cents.

    • @themmacircle7645
      @themmacircle7645 Před 4 lety +6

      I wonder if mechanics feel the same way about all of your car fix videos Paul.

    • @themmacircle7645
      @themmacircle7645 Před 4 lety +1

      Crickets