I’m in the boating industry and have been for 20 years now. My big dealers that sell all the motor brands tell me me the best and most reliable with fewest problems is Yamaha hands down. Basically rate them this way. Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, mercury and E-tech
Yes but Yamaha is the Honda Civic of outboards, they’ll run but not impressively. you get better torque, fuel economy, and similar reliability on Suzuki’s tohatsus and etecs now.
Suzuki’s are a good motor. Etec’s reliability is poor compared to the rest. As far as Yamaha having no torque or get up and go. I have a new Yamaha SHO 4 stroke I’d put it up against any of them for preformance.
Even though own a 40 Etec and am a fan of the Etec, I noticed theres a stainless prop on it and the Yamaha has an aluminum prop. Wouldn't it be a better comparison if they were equally equipped or a little different pitch prop on the Yamaha?
I want to run twin 30 or 40 HP engines on Lake Ontario. Since it's 40 miles across ( 60 km ) and hundreds of miles long, a single engine that conks out, leaves anyone in a very vulnerable spot. This test with the eTech 30 HP that only used two liters for your test, means 4 liters or less when running twins. Probably more like 3 1/2 liters as here's less load on each engine.
In hot tropical conditions I had big problems with Yahama. Changed to Etec never had one problem. Economy was better and power was substantially better.
I recently bought a 60hp Etec and agree with your results. Had a 2002 50hp Mercury, fuel consumption was extreme and with the choke and pumping the ball was always an issue. Great motor, Ive put 9 Tanks through it so far and I’m very happy with it. When your fishing and getting blown into the rocks, you’ll be happy the Evinrude starts instantly…Just hit the key and go!
all i can say is i have a 1991 yamaha 40. have had it since new, not one problem yet, after 18 years i changed the plugs, they were still good. good maintenance is key, 27 years and still running great
This type of comparison is great for consumers, the only thing I didn't hear were the retail prices, not that that could persuade me from buying the etec 40 in this case anyway. Keep up the great work guys, 10/10.
Reliability wise the Suzuki is by far the best motor. E Tec is junk long term,plus dealing with BRP is a nightmare. Yamahas are not the Motors they used to be.
I agree with you that Suzuki’s are reliable, I disagree however that dealing with Suzuki is any better than BRP, I know people who had trouble getting Suzuki to fix fuel pumps on brand new motors.
That was a great video. There will always be an argument with 2 stroke vs 4 stroke in my opinion if you have a boat that is heavy in the back you’d go for a 2 stroke as they have a lot of low end torque and can get up on plane easy compared to a 4 stroke all depends on the application in my opinion I’ve owned an etec and they are only good when there working they can be very expensive when they do go wrong id prefer the optimax xs pro in the 2 strokes and Suzuki in the 4 strokes something they never mention in these videos is reliability which is just as important as everything else they do mention
I would really love to see the 4 identical boat and outboard test done on the 60hp models, perhaps on something like the Stacer 529 Sea Horse or similar weight and drag vessel. It would really give these outboards a run for their money. The Stacer 529 Sea Horse is only rated to a max 60hp outboard, yet it is a huge open boat that can carry 6 persons and can take a fair bit of chop with 3mm alloy hull bottom and transom.
Myself and my family will always prefer Yamaha... remember, speed and the hole shot of a motor is not everything. Yamahas have incredible reliability. They start very quickly when cold, and we have never had to take any of our motors in for maintenance. Ever. we used to be running BRP outboards, but we had many electrical failures and carburation problems. we have never gone back. and we never will.
I currently own a 70hp 2 stroke Johnson and 40hp 4 stroke Suzuki. Carburated 2 strokes are conceptually less complex and therefore more reliable engines than any EFI/DFI engines today. Less moving parts and less electrical components=less things to go wrong=less maintenance. Yes, they have shit fuel economy. Yes, they are loud as a motherfucker. But they are reliable
Reliability and fuel economy. Honda not in the test but I stick with Yamaha. I fished 40 miles off South African coast. Some of the most dangerous seas in the World. Note I said some of. I want a motor that will get me there AND back. In South Africa you need to rely on yourself and very reliable motors. Never go 40 miles for Tuna on a single engine. Twin engines , dual fuel tanks. If there is a crap fuel in one tank at least you have a shot with second tank. Offshore fishing is not a joke. Prepare for the worst. Cape Coast is brutal. Best to bug out if the wind gets up! Been there when guys with high towers would disappear in a trough of wave only 400 yards away! Yes the Saffa seas get monster big! Lots of big wrecks out there!
Thanks for comparison from 2 or 4 stroke. I have a 50 2 stroke yamaha and wanted to know if 4 stroke was the better option, but after video. I'll stick to what I have
Great comparison. I'd be interested to know what Prop you were running on the Etec 40hp that gave you 53-54 kph. My 2016 Etec 40 came with a 13 7/8 X 13 Aluminium and I'm doing 40 kph in a 420 that's 2/3 the hull weight of the Renegade. I'm thinking of going a 13.25 X 15 SSP or a 13 X 17 SSP might be a stretch. Of course I'll do some try outs using the Tacho & optimum range but I'm curious about what you were running.
The test the way it was held doesn't say much. To clarify, if we compare say a 2 strokes and a 4 strokes 30 HP different brands outboards both will be delivered with medium pitch stock props as the manufacturer to keep it safe will not know which type of boat will be powering their respective outboard. To be fair with a correct hole shot water test while solo boating using same type of boat and boater, both engines should be propped right with a prop maximization to run towards their respective max wot rpm range. That test will show the agility of both engines. Should win the one which revs faster towards their max wot rpm range.
I was just fixing to word together the same thing you're saying about the pitch of prop on each individual outboard and you did it for me thank God I scrolled through the comments
never fill fuel containers in the back if a ute, the static electricity could spark and cause a vapour fire .. always place on the ground to ebsure the static disapates
I don't care which one gets up faster, all I want is a reliable motor.... I think Yamaha wins it hands down.... I don't own any yamahas but my next motor is... all my past motor is just johnson....
I had a 1990 25hp evinrude and that thing was bullet proof we'd let it sit out all winter and even went a year with out being used and started up first try so next motor I'll get is a 100% an evinrude
this whole reliability thing is completely blow out of proportion. when maintained properly, each brand will last just as long as the other and thats the truth. remember the whole "nightmare" about the omc VRO oil injection ? saying it will stop working and fry your motor? complete crap as long as its maintained these will last forever.
I purchased a Evinrude Etec 40Hp tiller steering electric start. It will be install on a 14' smartwave 4200 hull. I do not know if you have access to a smartwave 4200 to test the 40 Etec. What I need to know is what size prop is needed for best performance.
I have been running Evinrudes for over 25 years. I got my 115HO in 2009. There isn't another brand in it's class that even comes close to it in performance or economy. In 2001 I bought a Mercury 4 stroke. It was pretty good as far as economy. The performance was terrible. I will never have a Mercury again.
Mercury 3 cylinder 2 strokes are a better choice. Powerful with good mid range economy. I still like Evinrudes also. Some of the Tohatsu's 2 strokes offer better then 4 stroke fuel efficiency also.
@@melrose9252 Evinrude didnt go bankrupt, OMC did which owned Evinrude and Johnson plus dozens of other brands, BRP bought the evinrude brand and continued outboard production, in 2006 they released the Etec
Well finally someone actually doing a test that isn't clearly rigged in favor of the 4 stroke. It annoys me to no end when people claim that a 4 stroke is more powerful than a 2 stroke, when that makes absolutely no sense. And then they run tests and let the 4 stroke win. Thanks you for doing a legitimate test.
The Yamaha had what looks like a stock prop. It was aluminum vs stainless on the etec. Dont believe any of these videos. All they gotta do is change props to make the "test" in favor of one brand.
I think the main reason about perform so bad for yamaha in this video because of it's using the smallest engine block in the class, is just a 747cc engine same block as 30hp class, for NA four stroke engine there're no replacement for displacement for true. Same four stroke outboard in this test was the Suzuki DF40 which was same block as 60hp class! So in the performance it should be really good as it higher displacement. Compare to those 2 stroke DI like E-tec, they do great job in this because they're 2 stroke, you can compare them to 4 stroke, but also need to concerning about what 2 stroke also need to be, they burn oil to our lovely ocean and YOUR money too.
@@jerrychf I'm looking at buying a new boat with a Yamaha on it, do u think I should stick with the Yamaha? Apparently Yamahas are the most reliable on the market as of January 2021
I’m happy to se testing, but I’m positive that accurate data is needed. Same type props? Is the hull treated withe the same anti fouling? Engine level? I also noticed that one of te boats had additional equipment! This is i big mater.
I just read a bunch of the comments on this video. Boy, there are an awful lot of misinformed people out there. My experience with outboard motors goes back to 1962. Over the years I have owned and worked on all the major brand outboards includeing Homelite. In the past 14 years I have had more than my share of experience with low ( under 25 hp ) 4 stroke motors mostly in salt water. A simple rule of thumb I came up with based on my experience is a 4 stroke motor will not perform as well as a 2 stroke motor at the same horsepower rating with similar engine displacement. This is not only acceleration but top speed also. Repair cost is similar in carb cleaning, waterpump, and similar services but any repairs like head gaskets are very expensive. Fuel in the crankcase of a 4-stroke is a death sentence and with ethinal fuel I have seen a lot of this. Power to weight ratio is steeply in the favor of 2-strokes, just overall weight is a big issue. Compare a dinghy size 3.5 hp Tohatsu 2-stroke to a 3.5 hp Tohatsu 4-stroke. That's 27 lbs to 41 lbs. Which one do you want to hand up from the dinghy to the big boat? I saw all this stuff go on many years ago with dirt motorcycles and the 2 strokes always smoked the 4 strokes they probably still do, I don't know. Hey, the way batteries are progressing we'll all be running electric power in 10 years and the 2 vs.4 stroke issue will still be going on. By the way, in the corrosion dept. Honda and Yamaha are the worst in my experience. They both run well but rot like hell inside. Flush em and keep after the zincs is my best advise. When I am ask for advise for a larger motor I recomend Evinrude Etech. Best power to weight, fuel consumption, and warranty.
Well there's only one problem you're committed to a dealer to do any repair if an injector goes bad the dealer has to install it with the E-Tec I have replaced multiple fuel pumps in the E-Tec Motors well. I am not biased to any outboard a broken outboard is a good outboard to me I repair them
My experience with the E-Tech has been good. They beat out the competitors in terms of torque, thrust and hole shot. That being said, they are extremely noisy when compared to the four strokes, and the oil they use is expensive to buy.
Not really a comparison, but I have 4.5m pongrass with 97 model 2 stroke 50 on back. Brothers boat is 4m pride with Yamaha 80 on the back. Mine gets on plane a whole lot quicker than his. #allhailevinrude
Your comparison tests are great...1) Have you tested the new suzuki 350 vs Yamaha 350? 2) Do you ever do decibel tests. 2 350's or 3 350's are a HUGE racket compared to my old 225hps. All things being equal(and before I switch to sailing) Id like to buy the brand that doesn't cause hearing loss:) The Iphone app store has free or .99 cent deciblel readers..Id love one of your readers to point me to tests videos or plain reports of big outboards decible comparisons too. Thx down under mates.!
I get 50klm an hour on my 17ft Lund Tinny. I fish big water in northern Canada and its a great boat at 950 pounds. Dose'nt seem to care how many bodies I have in the boat. Of Course 4 strokes can’t match up to a 2 stoke. Fuel economy was the only advantage to a 4 stroke. and the Evinrude E-tech ruined that for them. Even my fuel econony has been cut in half. although I don’t worry about it much, its an added bonus.
How good propped are this motors? The right propeller makes all the diference. So that out of the hole and hole shot tests don´t say much to me without know RPM's at WOT to make sure ALL 3 motors are with the appropriate propeller for that boats/load. Other thing is that the 3 motors on test are rated for 40hp but they really have 40hp??? (none have exactely 40hp on a dyno test) but usually evinrude have more power then is rated, Nice video anyway.
gonzos6 HI Gonz ... In feb we went over to the Miami Boat Show, and while we were in the US we popped into the BRP Factory to look at the line. We think you know what you're talking about with regards to HP :-)
those motors were trimmed differently the susuki was bouncing the front end it was trimmed up more than the yamaha wich looked like it was trimmed so it was pushing the bow harder to the water
it is clear that the Yamaha is poorly adjusted to the boat, properly setting up the 'trim' performance will improve. it seems that the comparison was partial.
In America, Yamaha HAD the best 2 stroke 40 money could buy, then they went all 4 strokes and their 40 is the worst 4 stroke 40 in the 4 stroke market. I have been boating for over 40 years and I currently own a four stroke 20Hp Mercury and a 90 hp 2 stroke mercury. I do not believe a 4 stroke will outlast a 2 stroke. I seldom see a 15 year old 4 stroke on the water , while I see 40 year old 2 strokes all the time. The weight, power and now fuel efficiency of modern 2 strokes are wonderful. It all boils down to how you maintain your engine, 2 stroke or 4 stroke, I owned a Yamaha 2 stroke, it was a great engine!
Good day....wondering what the dry weights were on the boats were. I have a 14 foot welded aluminum Crestliner that comes in at 654 lbs, plus two group 27 batteries a bow mount electric and was wondering if you would think the 30 or the 40 would be a better choice. I have a 20 hp Honda four stroke on it right now and it will not get up on plane with two of us in it. Thanks
Paul Jacobsen Hi Paul, weight only plays one part, hull design is the other. You saw the performance of the E-Tec 30 ... You could go either a 25 E-Tec or a 30 (They are the same engine block tuned differently in the computer) The 40 Etec shares everything with the 50 so it's a bigger engine.
Nice work. I have an E-tec 50 purchased in 2013 and I cant speak more highly of it. Starts first time is quiet and there is no smoke. I am in a fishing club with about thirty five boats and the E-tec is quieter than any of the four strokes. They say 3 years or 300 hours till first service but I was thinking of getting it checked over during winter. Do you recommend a service ? I am in Melbourne so cant use you guys.
The best warranty in the group? Not one manufacturer has offered a warranty longer than Evinrude, 10 years is the best in the industry, and not sure if you own a boat or even an outboard but 2 strokes built these days are not loud and or smokey, you're stuck in the past
Man those e-tec's though, they are beautiful. People say the are crap but I would rely on that, apparently Yamaha are most reliable but I am more of a e-tec fan
Very good job showing all this, but you're leaving out the propeller and pitch factor. You should do a test where they are propped to reach their maximum rpm exactly...let's say 5500 or 6K and then do the test....im guessing the Yamaha was over propped for this test....as it had the one of the highest speeds...therefore slower out of the hole but better top end...
I understand this is an advertisement for E-Tec but honestly to a someone who has been around boats for many years, it's insulting... Mercury and Yamaha have and still do offer direct injected motors which either out perform or are on par with E-Tec...
I personally have found Yamaha's quality of engineering to be woeful in all aspects. Take for instance some of the structural bolts around the engine, Most of them are about 8mm in size and often wear out and break of their own accord due to the cheap aluminium composition of the material and strength work hardening qualitites. Yamaha for this reason is probably one of the worst brands of motor I have come across. The others are alright, sure they all have their own problems but not nearly as bad as Yamaha
Callum Wearne I'm a Mercury guy and from what I've read they use proprietary mix of aluminum. I've owned Mercury's for over a decade and have never had corrosion issues.
highvelocity123 I don't disagree with you there they have very good corrosion protection redundancies such as mercathodes, big anodes and special paint. Yamaha however is very lacking in this department. They think they can get away with the same engineering standards the use in their bikes
I think a better comparison would be to line all the 2 strokes up against eachother. Pro Xs Mercury. Vmax series 2. And Etec. I have nothing against this video but the only things I see Evinrudes against anymore are 4 stroke engines. Of course a 2 stroke is going to have a better top speed and launch...they're lighter, rev higher, and are just made to produce power.
My Suzuki DF60A is quiet at idol but you can't talk to one another over 4600 RPM and that's on a centre console boat. They are still loud when you power up.
One thing you might do is tell everyone what prop you used on the runs that can make a huge difference if they were all the same np but you didn't say!
In the beginning of the video, you can see the stainless prop on the Etec and the Yammie still has the aluminum also. I know that doesn't tell you what pitch but, to me seems like apples to oranges right off the bat.
Great review! Nicely done and thought out. A couple of things that would have been useful. FIrst, you didn't mention if each of these motors had fixed or adjustable trim. It appeared the Yamaha was trimmed down, relative to the others, so of course it would be more difficult getting out of the hole. Secondly, it would have been useful to mention the MSRP for each of the motors so the viewer could get a feel for the 'bang for the buck'. Other than that, wonderful job!
Richard E Hi Richard thank you for the feedback. MSRP change all the time, that why we leave them out. Even as I write this prices will change because the Aussie dollar is dropping and that would have made the video out of date. With regards to trim they all had electric trim. What has tricked everyone is the E-Tec's have multiple tiller positions which will throw you when you use that of a gauge of where the motor was trimmed. Just on that note having the motor trimmed at the lowest position will in fact get you out of the hole faster but slow your top speed because of drag. If you have a close look at when all 4 motors are running you'll see Daz trim them once they are maxed out on the plain. As far as bang for buck the 30 E-Tec really surprised us .... now I'll let you in on a little secret. The 25 E-Tec is the same identical engine. Once the difference was the carby size and exhaust restrictors. But these days its all electronic just think rice racers and Japanese imports there's allot of motor just sitting behind a computer telling it how to behave. So ...... what would be your best bang for buck? I'd be calling us about a 25 E-Tec......... Seriously it has to be the best bang for buck outboard on the market.
Is it stupid to get duel 30 hp or 40 hp on a 6 meter center console Or is it better to get one 90hp?. Any info will help. As I'm planning for next summer
When there are 4 stroke engines to choose from 2 stroke engines will suck so please forget about the E-tec Yamaha, Suzuki will never let you down. Mercury is good but it's more complex than needed.
I like these comments that say that the two strokes will be dead long after the 4 strokes. Does someone have a 1938 4 stroke to compare or a 1979 150hp 4 stroke to make a good comparison? There are a lot of 2 strokes that ran a long time. If I were powering a work machine I would want a 4 stroke but boats like motocross and snowmobiles tend to run at high throttle and 2 strokes have proven to be able to do this fairly well because of their smaller rotating mass. In fact most serious motocross people who really like to run hard are back to 2 strokes. Personally I think these new E-tech 2 strokes are under lubricated and relying on materials to lower emissions so today I would buy a 4 stroke. 4 strokes are also a lot more pleasant because you do not have to deal with the fumes. The hard reality of today's motors is that the computers and electronics will fail long before most motors. That being said I would buy Suzuki hands down. They are the best when it comes to stocking old parts and will probably still be the best at having old parts 20 years from now when you need an ECU.
Nice demo, but for those who likes silence on the water should't take evinrude.. cos just like every 2-stroke just rattles horribly... especialy those low HP ones.. It's just another aspect if any1 was wondering. Take care
I like your videos and yep of those four motors the 40hp 4stroke Yamaha would definitely have the least poke out of the hole with four blokes on board but in all fairness you probably should have had it trimmed all the way in like the other three motors when starting.
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I’m in the boating industry and have been for 20 years now. My big dealers that sell all the motor brands tell me me the best and most reliable with fewest problems is Yamaha hands down. Basically rate them this way. Yamaha, Honda, Suzuki, mercury and E-tech
Yes but Yamaha is the Honda Civic of outboards, they’ll run but not impressively. you get better torque, fuel economy, and similar reliability on Suzuki’s tohatsus and etecs now.
Suzuki’s are a good motor. Etec’s reliability is poor compared to the rest. As far as Yamaha having no torque or get up and go. I have a new Yamaha SHO 4 stroke I’d put it up against any of them for preformance.
Thank you for some clear useful information! Do you sell to Canada ?
Even though own a 40 Etec and am a fan of the Etec, I noticed theres a stainless prop on it and the Yamaha has an aluminum prop. Wouldn't it be a better comparison if they were equally equipped or a little different pitch prop on the Yamaha?
I want to run twin 30 or 40 HP engines on Lake Ontario. Since it's 40 miles across ( 60 km ) and hundreds of miles long, a single engine that conks out, leaves anyone in a very vulnerable spot. This test with the eTech 30 HP that only used two liters for your test, means 4 liters or less when running twins. Probably more like 3 1/2 liters as here's less load on each engine.
950cc for 40hp?! Good lord! That's as mild as my old pig-iron Dodge truck. What exactly are they accomplishing with twin cams and multi valves?
Well I guess you doesn’t have to worry about E-TEC guys! mercury just bought them out! Kind of a sad ending for a great and long-standing company!
What now that etecs are no longer being made? I guess everyone should switch to mercury
The higher the gear ratio and size of propeller and weight equal more speed and muscle
Notice how the evinrude had a stain less steel prop the Yamaha has a plastic prop
The 4-stroke didn’t kill the 2-stroke, BRP killed the 2-stroke!
I through my dog in the water to get me to shore after depending on a Yamaha. That dog was so reliable. lol
Sam Krieger hahaha
You comparison don't mean nothing without prop information.
And the irony is the Yamaha is the most expensive out of all of them
Honda is the most expensive
Etec oil ain't cheap.
Seems Yamaha owners are the same league as Toyota drivers.
Where is the mercury
The title says 30 e-tec
I own the 40 etec it's an incredible motor 5 years of faithful reliable service. Never complains. Runs like a champ.
Thank you for a super informative comparison. My favorite wisdom of the video is "With us it is what it is!"
Very well done putting it out there for us. I am sizing power to a boat build. This was very helpful, thank you.
In hot tropical conditions I had big problems with Yahama. Changed to Etec never had one problem. Economy was better and power was substantially better.
I have a 2016 etec 40 that I'm having the second powerhead put on it in 9 months
@@Dave-pj2mx don't worry etec shut down factory may 2020. All their glory and people still buy 4 strokes that says a lot.
I recently bought a 60hp Etec and agree with your results. Had a 2002 50hp Mercury, fuel consumption was extreme and with the choke and pumping the ball was always an issue. Great motor, Ive put 9 Tanks through it so far and I’m very happy with it. When your fishing and getting blown into the rocks, you’ll be happy the Evinrude starts instantly…Just hit the key and go!
These are great vids guys keep up the great work.
Thanks for the video. Answered a lot of my questions
what an ass kicking comparison thank you for posting really well done mate
all i can say is i have a 1991 yamaha 40. have had it since new, not one problem yet, after 18 years i changed the plugs, they were still good. good maintenance is key, 27 years and still running great
great video... you guys are the best on the market so far, by far...
Thanks for sharing. 2 stroke is the only way to go w or w/o FI.
This type of comparison is great for consumers, the only thing I didn't hear were the retail prices, not that that could persuade me from buying the etec 40 in this case anyway. Keep up the great work guys, 10/10.
Reliability wise the Suzuki is by far the best motor. E Tec is junk long term,plus dealing with BRP is a nightmare. Yamahas are not the Motors they used to be.
I agree with you that Suzuki’s are reliable, I disagree however that dealing with Suzuki is any better than BRP, I know people who had trouble getting Suzuki to fix fuel pumps on brand new motors.
That was a great video. There will always be an argument with 2 stroke vs 4 stroke in my opinion if you have a boat that is heavy in the back you’d go for a 2 stroke as they have a lot of low end torque and can get up on plane easy compared to a 4 stroke all depends on the application in my opinion I’ve owned an etec and they are only good when there working they can be very expensive when they do go wrong id prefer the optimax xs pro in the 2 strokes and Suzuki in the 4 strokes something they never mention in these videos is reliability which is just as important as everything else they do mention
Suzuki DF40hp $7,400
Weight L: 104 kg
DOHC 12-Valve Fuel Injection
No. of Cylinders In-line 3
Piston Displacement 941 cm3.
Yamaha 40hp L
RRP : $ $7,174: $6,480*
Three Cylinder (747cc) |
Dry Weight 97kg .....
Evinrude Etec 40hp $7,999
Number of Cylinders: 2
Capacity: 864cc
Shaft length: 20 inch (long)
Weight: 105 - 113 kgs
No replacement for displacement, really true for this.
i ran the same spec list and bought the suzuki. I love it
I would really love to see the 4 identical boat and outboard test done on the 60hp models, perhaps on something like the Stacer 529 Sea Horse or similar weight and drag vessel. It would really give these outboards a run for their money. The Stacer 529 Sea Horse is only rated to a max 60hp outboard, yet it is a huge open boat that can carry 6 persons and can take a fair bit of chop with 3mm alloy hull bottom and transom.
Myself and my family will always prefer Yamaha... remember, speed and the hole shot of a motor is not everything. Yamahas have incredible reliability. They start very quickly when cold, and we have never had to take any of our motors in for maintenance. Ever. we used to be running BRP outboards, but we had many electrical failures and carburation problems. we have never gone back. and we never will.
If you can't get home, you're motor isn't worth shit hey.
So you had carburated engines? All of those were garbage. Comparing those to a new injected 2-stroke shows you don't know much.
I currently own a 70hp 2 stroke Johnson and 40hp 4 stroke Suzuki. Carburated 2 strokes are conceptually less complex and therefore more reliable engines than any EFI/DFI engines today. Less moving parts and less electrical components=less things to go wrong=less maintenance. Yes, they have shit fuel economy. Yes, they are loud as a motherfucker. But they are reliable
Pallas. I agree i have a tohatsu 9.9hp but convert to 15hp carb is easy to maintain
gopernoper BRP didn't own them when they ran carburetors.
Reliability and fuel economy. Honda not in the test but I stick with Yamaha. I fished 40 miles off South African coast. Some of the most dangerous seas in the World. Note I said some of.
I want a motor that will get me there AND back.
In South Africa you need to rely on yourself and very reliable motors.
Never go 40 miles for Tuna on a single engine. Twin engines , dual fuel tanks. If there is a crap fuel in one tank at least you have a shot with second tank. Offshore fishing is not a joke. Prepare for the worst. Cape Coast is brutal. Best to bug out if the wind gets up! Been there when guys with high towers would disappear in a trough of wave only 400 yards away! Yes the Saffa seas get monster big! Lots of big wrecks out there!
Thanks for comparison from 2 or 4 stroke. I have a 50 2 stroke yamaha and wanted to know if 4 stroke was the better option, but after video. I'll stick to what I have
Great comparison. I'd be interested to know what Prop you were running on the Etec 40hp that gave you 53-54 kph. My 2016 Etec 40 came with a 13 7/8 X 13 Aluminium and I'm doing 40 kph in a 420 that's 2/3 the hull weight of the Renegade. I'm thinking of going a 13.25 X 15 SSP or a 13 X 17 SSP might be a stretch. Of course I'll do some try outs using the Tacho & optimum range but I'm curious about what you were running.
thnx for the video, bought the yamaha after seeing the video. very reliable engine with the the highest resell value
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The test the way it was held doesn't say much. To clarify, if we compare say a 2 strokes and a 4 strokes 30 HP different brands outboards both will be delivered with medium pitch stock props as the manufacturer to keep it safe will not know which type of boat will be powering their respective outboard.
To be fair with a correct hole shot water test while solo boating using same type of boat and boater, both engines should be propped right with a prop maximization to run towards their respective max wot rpm range. That test will show the agility of both engines. Should win the one which revs faster towards their max wot rpm range.
I was just fixing to word together the same thing you're saying about the pitch of prop on each individual outboard and you did it for me thank God I scrolled through the comments
Great video! Excellent!
great Video Well Done Darren, Liking the 30 etech for the best economics,,
Great shoot out thanks.
never fill fuel containers in the back if a ute, the static electricity could spark and cause a vapour fire .. always place on the ground to ebsure the static disapates
well done boys, great video
I have twin 627 Seven Marines on my Jon Boat. Boy does it fly!!!
You mean you have a Jon boat mounted to your twin 7 marines
Colton Howard something tells me you're a super douchebag
Chris Cross it’s a joke you dumb piece of shit
I bet that might go a little faster than my twin weed eaters i got i on my jon boat
The Yamaha 40s are great quiet and smooth running engines and are very reliable but seen a little down on power compared to the merc 40s that we run
I don't care which one gets up faster, all I want is a reliable motor.... I think Yamaha wins it hands down.... I don't own any yamahas but my next motor is... all my past motor is just johnson....
Jdjhsjd Hshjdnd. Johnson are bad ass
I had a 1990 25hp evinrude and that thing was bullet proof we'd let it sit out all winter and even went a year with out being used and started up first try so next motor I'll get is a 100% an evinrude
Go Honda or Suki buddy
Jdjhsjd Hshjdnd the old Johnsons and evinrudes are bulletproof in working on an old 9.5 Johnson seahorse right now
this whole reliability thing is completely blow out of proportion. when maintained properly, each brand will last just as long as the other and thats the truth. remember the whole "nightmare" about the omc VRO oil injection ? saying it will stop working and fry your motor? complete crap as long as its maintained these will last forever.
I purchased a Evinrude Etec 40Hp tiller steering electric start. It will be install on a 14' smartwave 4200 hull. I do not know if you have access to a smartwave 4200 to test the 40 Etec. What I need to know is what size prop is needed for best performance.
I have been running Evinrudes for over 25 years. I got my 115HO in 2009. There isn't another brand in it's class that even comes close to it in performance or economy. In 2001 I bought a Mercury 4 stroke. It was pretty good as far as economy. The performance was terrible. I will never have a Mercury again.
danodano60 Did you buy your motor before Evinrude went bankrupt or after?
Mercury 3 cylinder 2 strokes are a better choice. Powerful with good mid range economy. I still like Evinrudes also. Some of the Tohatsu's 2 strokes offer better then 4 stroke fuel efficiency also.
@@melrose9252 Evinrude didnt go bankrupt, OMC did which owned Evinrude and Johnson plus dozens of other brands, BRP bought the evinrude brand and continued outboard production, in 2006 they released the Etec
Well finally someone actually doing a test that isn't clearly rigged in favor of the 4 stroke. It annoys me to no end when people claim that a 4 stroke is more powerful than a 2 stroke, when that makes absolutely no sense. And then they run tests and let the 4 stroke win. Thanks you for doing a legitimate test.
Excellent review
The Yamaha had what looks like a stock prop. It was aluminum vs stainless on the etec. Dont believe any of these videos. All they gotta do is change props to make the "test" in favor of one brand.
All motors were tested with stock out of the box props.
I think the main reason about perform so bad for yamaha in this video because of it's using the smallest engine block in the class, is just a 747cc engine same block as 30hp class, for NA four stroke engine there're no replacement for displacement for true.
Same four stroke outboard in this test was the Suzuki DF40 which was same block as 60hp class! So in the performance it should be really good as it higher displacement.
Compare to those 2 stroke DI like E-tec, they do great job in this because they're 2 stroke, you can compare them to 4 stroke, but also need to concerning about what 2 stroke also need to be, they burn oil to our lovely ocean and YOUR money too.
Jason Cooper stainless prop is much heavier and will decrease your holeshot, not increase it.
@@jerrychf 4 strokes still take oil...and oil filters.
I probably burn the same amount of oil in a season as someone with a 4 stroke has to change.
@@jerrychf I'm looking at buying a new boat with a Yamaha on it, do u think I should stick with the Yamaha? Apparently Yamahas are the most reliable on the market as of January 2021
I’m happy to se testing, but I’m positive that accurate data is needed. Same type props? Is the hull treated withe the same anti fouling? Engine level? I also noticed that one of te boats had additional equipment! This is i big mater.
I just read a bunch of the comments on this video. Boy, there are an awful lot of misinformed people out there. My experience with outboard motors goes back to 1962. Over the years I have owned and worked on all the major brand outboards includeing Homelite. In the past 14 years I have had more than my share of experience with low ( under 25 hp ) 4 stroke motors mostly in salt water. A simple rule of thumb I came up with based on my experience is a 4 stroke motor will not perform as well as a 2 stroke motor at the same horsepower rating with similar engine displacement. This is not only acceleration but top speed also. Repair cost is similar in carb cleaning, waterpump, and similar services but any repairs like head gaskets are very expensive. Fuel in the crankcase of a 4-stroke is a death sentence and with ethinal fuel I have seen a lot of this. Power to weight ratio is steeply in the favor of 2-strokes, just overall weight is a big issue. Compare a dinghy size 3.5 hp Tohatsu 2-stroke to a 3.5 hp Tohatsu 4-stroke. That's 27 lbs to 41 lbs. Which one do you want to hand up from the dinghy to the big boat? I saw all this stuff go on many years ago with dirt motorcycles and the 2 strokes always smoked the 4 strokes they probably still do, I don't know. Hey, the way batteries are progressing we'll all be running electric power in 10 years and the 2 vs.4 stroke issue will still be going on. By the way, in the corrosion dept. Honda and Yamaha are the worst in my experience. They both run well but rot like hell inside. Flush em and keep after the zincs is my best advise. When I am ask for advise for a larger motor I recomend Evinrude Etech. Best power to weight, fuel consumption, and warranty.
Well there's only one problem you're committed to a dealer to do any repair if an injector goes bad the dealer has to install it with the E-Tec I have replaced multiple fuel pumps in the E-Tec Motors well. I am not biased to any outboard a broken outboard is a good outboard to me I repair them
My experience with the E-Tech has been good. They beat out the competitors in terms of torque, thrust and hole shot. That being said, they are extremely noisy when compared to the four strokes, and the oil they use is expensive to buy.
Not really a comparison, but I have 4.5m pongrass with 97 model 2 stroke 50 on back.
Brothers boat is 4m pride with Yamaha 80 on the back. Mine gets on plane a whole lot quicker than his.
#allhailevinrude
apples oranges what r u saying?
How about a price comparison between the 4?
And a warranty comparison.
really good test mate made it clear.
Your comparison tests are great...1) Have you tested the new suzuki 350 vs Yamaha 350? 2) Do you ever do decibel tests. 2 350's or 3 350's are a HUGE racket compared to my old 225hps. All things being equal(and before I switch to sailing) Id like to buy the brand that doesn't cause hearing loss:) The Iphone app store has free or .99 cent deciblel readers..Id love one of your readers to point me to tests videos or plain reports of big outboards decible comparisons too. Thx down under mates.!
I get 50klm an hour on my 17ft Lund Tinny. I fish big water in northern Canada and its a great boat at 950 pounds. Dose'nt seem to care how many bodies I have in the boat. Of Course 4 strokes can’t match up to a 2 stoke. Fuel economy was the only advantage to a 4 stroke. and the Evinrude E-tech ruined that for them.
Even my fuel econony has been cut in half. although I don’t worry about it much, its an added bonus.
I love Evinride and I would
like to own a 15-60hp
How good propped are this motors?
The right propeller makes all the diference.
So that out of the hole and hole shot tests don´t say much to me without know RPM's at WOT to make sure ALL 3 motors are with the appropriate propeller for that boats/load.
Other thing is that the 3 motors on test are rated for 40hp but they really have 40hp??? (none have exactely 40hp on a dyno test) but usually evinrude have more power then is rated,
Nice video anyway.
gonzos6 HI Gonz ... In feb we went over to the Miami Boat Show, and while we were in the US we popped into the BRP Factory to look at the line. We think you know what you're talking about with regards to HP :-)
would of liked to see the comparisons with Jet units on them
those motors were trimmed differently the susuki was bouncing the front end it was trimmed up more than the yamaha wich looked like it was trimmed so it was pushing the bow harder to the water
it is clear that the Yamaha is poorly adjusted to the boat, properly setting up the 'trim' performance will improve. it seems that the comparison was partial.
+Ed Feld's sounds like you own a Yamaha, yamaha are good for 2 strokes, suck ass for 4 strokes.
In America, Yamaha HAD the best 2 stroke 40 money could buy, then they went all 4 strokes and their 40 is the worst 4 stroke 40 in the 4 stroke market. I have been boating for over 40 years and I currently own a four stroke 20Hp Mercury and a 90 hp 2 stroke mercury. I do not believe a 4 stroke will outlast a 2 stroke. I seldom see a 15 year old 4 stroke on the water , while I see 40 year old 2 strokes all the time. The weight, power and now fuel efficiency of modern 2 strokes are wonderful. It all boils down to how you maintain your engine, 2 stroke or 4 stroke, I owned a Yamaha 2 stroke, it was a great engine!
I agree you can't go wrong with a yamaha 2 stroke :)
RC Kirby Recently, I believed Yamaha did some improvements on the 4 stroke 40hp in their latest generations.
Good day....wondering what the dry weights were on the boats were. I have a 14 foot welded aluminum Crestliner that comes in at 654 lbs, plus two group 27 batteries a bow mount electric and was wondering if you would think the 30 or the 40 would be a better choice. I have a 20 hp Honda four stroke on it right now and it will not get up on plane with two of us in it. Thanks
Paul Jacobsen Hi Paul, weight only plays one part, hull design is the other. You saw the performance of the E-Tec 30 ... You could go either a 25 E-Tec or a 30 (They are the same engine block tuned differently in the computer) The 40 Etec shares everything with the 50 so it's a bigger engine.
Im just gonna stick with Mercury ;)
Nice work. I have an E-tec 50 purchased in 2013 and I cant speak more highly of it. Starts first time is quiet and there is no smoke. I am in a fishing club with about thirty five boats and the E-tec is quieter than any of the four strokes.
They say 3 years or 300 hours till first service but I was thinking of getting it checked over during winter. Do you recommend a service ? I am in Melbourne so cant use you guys.
jeff61 Hi Jeff it's hard to say without knowing your boating situation. How many hours have you done?
Great Vid
The suzuki is direct injection just fyi they have the best warranty in the group and its not a garbage stinky loud 2 smoke
The best warranty in the group? Not one manufacturer has offered a warranty longer than Evinrude, 10 years is the best in the industry, and not sure if you own a boat or even an outboard but 2 strokes built these days are not loud and or smokey, you're stuck in the past
Man those e-tec's though, they are beautiful. People say the are crap but I would rely on that, apparently Yamaha are most reliable but I am more of a e-tec fan
Good video.
Hi,
What propellor size and pitch was on each motor?
Thanks,
Aaron
Very good job showing all this, but you're leaving out the propeller and pitch factor. You should do a test where they are propped to reach their maximum rpm exactly...let's say 5500 or 6K and then do the test....im guessing the Yamaha was over propped for this test....as it had the one of the highest speeds...therefore slower out of the hole but better top end...
I understand this is an advertisement for E-Tec but honestly to a someone who has been around boats for many years, it's insulting... Mercury and Yamaha have and still do offer direct injected motors which either out perform or are on par with E-Tec...
I personally have found Yamaha's quality of engineering to be woeful in all aspects. Take for instance some of the structural bolts around the engine, Most of them are about 8mm in size and often wear out and break of their own accord due to the cheap aluminium composition of the material and strength work hardening qualitites. Yamaha for this reason is probably one of the worst brands of motor I have come across. The others are alright, sure they all have their own problems but not nearly as bad as Yamaha
Callum Wearne I agree on that aspect, Yamaha has had corrosion issues that it has acknowledged...
highvelocity123 And that is the most important thing a marine engine needs to be good at coping with in my opinion
Callum Wearne I'm a Mercury guy and from what I've read they use proprietary mix of aluminum. I've owned Mercury's for over a decade and have never had corrosion issues.
highvelocity123 I don't disagree with you there they have very good corrosion protection redundancies such as mercathodes, big anodes and special paint. Yamaha however is very lacking in this department. They think they can get away with the same engineering standards the use in their bikes
Which Yamaha 40? There are many models. How many cc? is it the F40 F, F40 G or F40 H?
Prop different ?
How is the prop steer on these outboards? is the etec 40 hard to handle with the larger gear case ? thank you great videos
they're manageable, depends on how you trim them
I am a sailor, but that was an excellent review.
I think a better comparison would be to line all the 2 strokes up against eachother. Pro Xs Mercury. Vmax series 2. And Etec. I have nothing against this video but the only things I see Evinrudes against anymore are 4 stroke engines. Of course a 2 stroke is going to have a better top speed and launch...they're lighter, rev higher, and are just made to produce power.
Well, I would have choosen the Suzuki in this case. The reason is that e-tecs are a lot more noisier than 4-strokes.
He even said in the video that the e tecs are quiet like 4 strokes.
Snub Gaming They are quiet at low rpm, but they are very much more noisier than 4-strokes at mid rpm and high rpm.
My Suzuki DF60A is quiet at idol but you can't talk to one another over 4600 RPM and that's on a centre console boat. They are still loud when you power up.
One thing you might do is tell everyone what prop you used on the runs that can make a huge difference if they were all the same np but you didn't say!
When he gave top speed Suzuki was fastest by far and jumped up all most as fast as the 40 E-tec it's also lighter. better warranties also.
In the beginning of the video, you can see the stainless prop on the Etec and the Yammie still has the aluminum also. I know that doesn't tell you what pitch but, to me seems like apples to oranges right off the bat.
Was all the props the same pinch
Great review! Nicely done and thought out. A couple of things that would have been useful. FIrst, you didn't mention if each of these motors had fixed or adjustable trim. It appeared the Yamaha was trimmed down, relative to the others, so of course it would be more difficult getting out of the hole. Secondly, it would have been useful to mention the MSRP for each of the motors so the viewer could get a feel for the 'bang for the buck'. Other than that, wonderful job!
Richard E Hi Richard thank you for the feedback. MSRP change all the time, that why we leave them out. Even as I write this prices will change because the Aussie dollar is dropping and that would have made the video out of date.
With regards to trim they all had electric trim. What has tricked everyone is the E-Tec's have multiple tiller positions which will throw you when you use that of a gauge of where the motor was trimmed. Just on that note having the motor trimmed at the lowest position will in fact get you out of the hole faster but slow your top speed because of drag. If you have a close look at when all 4 motors are running you'll see Daz trim them once they are maxed out on the plain.
As far as bang for buck the 30 E-Tec really surprised us .... now I'll let you in on a little secret. The 25 E-Tec is the same identical engine. Once the difference was the carby size and exhaust restrictors. But these days its all electronic just think rice racers and Japanese imports there's allot of motor just sitting behind a computer telling it how to behave.
So ...... what would be your best bang for buck?
I'd be calling us about a 25 E-Tec......... Seriously it has to be the best bang for buck outboard on the market.
wont that 40 yammy turn up like 6400 and go about 50 mph?
Is it stupid to get duel 30 hp or 40 hp on a 6 meter center console Or is it better to get one 90hp?. Any info will help. As I'm planning for next summer
It would be cheaper getting a 90HP. Cheaper to service and Cheaper on fuel
good video 👍
"whadda cracka" lol
What would be the weight of the 4 of you and the boat be? (Average)
I was quite surprised 😲
When there are 4 stroke engines to choose from 2 stroke engines will suck so please forget about the E-tec Yamaha, Suzuki will never let you down. Mercury is good but it's more complex than needed.
2 stroke will get out of a hole faster than any four stroke
I like these comments that say that the two strokes will be dead long after the 4 strokes. Does someone have a 1938 4 stroke to compare or a 1979 150hp 4 stroke to make a good comparison? There are a lot of 2 strokes that ran a long time. If I were powering a work machine I would want a 4 stroke but boats like motocross and snowmobiles tend to run at high throttle and 2 strokes have proven to be able to do this fairly well because of their smaller rotating mass. In fact most serious motocross people who really like to run hard are back to 2 strokes. Personally I think these new E-tech 2 strokes are under lubricated and relying on materials to lower emissions so today I would buy a 4 stroke. 4 strokes are also a lot more pleasant because you do not have to deal with the fumes. The hard reality of today's motors is that the computers and electronics will fail long before most motors. That being said I would buy Suzuki hands down. They are the best when it comes to stocking old parts and will probably still be the best at having old parts 20 years from now when you need an ECU.
What pitch props?
was the Yamaha trimmed the same as the others?
Nice demo, but for those who likes silence on the water should't take evinrude.. cos just like every 2-stroke just rattles horribly... especialy those low HP ones.. It's just another aspect if any1 was wondering. Take care
I like your videos and yep of those four motors the 40hp 4stroke Yamaha would definitely have the least poke out of the hole with four blokes on board but in all fairness you probably should have had it trimmed all the way in like the other three motors when starting.
Simon Hall Hi Simon, It was on the bottom pin.
thanks aussie
guys in all honesty, people watching, would you the suzuki 40 or the etec 40? the etec is heavier
I believe the reason why the Evin rude ruled the roost is because it is substantially lighter than any 4 stroke on the market
And more torque
@@victoriousvictor7978 very true also
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I just sold my new Honda 40 hp four stroke wouldn't pull the hairs off your balls when back to a Yamaha 40 hp 2 stroke a massive difference
Yes but 2 stroke uses double fuel