Ep. 106 - The 270 Win
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- On this episode, Seth is joined by fellow marketeers, Matt Ritchie and Preston Lentfer. The show dives deep into the 270 Winchester. Conversations include the history, its sporting application, ammunition options, and some comparisons. We hope you enjoy and learn about this “controversial” cartridge.
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100 year old round that is still to this day WAY better than most other rounds !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
100 years, and will be popular for 100 more.
I wouldn't say "way" better. But still holding its own, and still a solid pick for an all around capable performer.
I’ve been a Dirty /06 my entire life and love it. Recently bought a 270 Husqvarna . Been reloading for it and it is absolutely amazing. Light recoil super fast flat shooting and accurate. One doesn’t need much more . Does everything
Husqvarnas are great old guns!! They made a sweet 16ga sxs to but still their mauser actions are some of the best! cool stocks to! Older Husqvarnas and older Tikkas are where its at!
^True that, my dad just picked up an old Husqvarna chambered in 270 and I couldn’t believe how smooth the action is
I'm an old man now, and remember well the role of the 270 in the Midwest "back in the day" When I started hunting in the 70's "Deer Camp" was still the way most people hunted. You built a stand or blind, and that was your spot. It did not take long for the guys who sat on field edges to gravitate to the 270win. My bet is if you thought 300 yards was possible from your stand a 270 or 30-06 was what you packed. There were no rangefinders and you shot from unsupported positions from a few 2x4's nailed to a tree. or from a lawn chair behind a log pile. I saw 7mm mags, and a few 264win mags, but the field or pasture edge was owned by the 270win. Guys that hunted groundhogs liked the 243win and 257Roberts. The 30-30 was still the king, and guys that had stands set up in thickets and young timber loved the 94's and 336, those two also dominated the deer drive camps. WWII vets were the wise old sages of camp, and lots of them would never give up the 30-06 and I don't blame them. The transition from small tractor and combine farming had started and was in full swing in the 80's. And I'm not talking 16 row this transition was from 2 row to 4, 6 or 8 row farming. That and the death of the small family farm changed the landscape. I mention this because a lot of small fields or back corners of fields were going fallow, causing a lot of hunters to focus on some Brushie Fields and thick edges of hardwoods regeneration. And that kept the 30-30 on top for another decade or two. Now you see the same thing in Deer Management recreating what we had, due to the change in ag practices back then.
Back in the timber the 270win held its own quite well, as the affordability of good scopes was rising, and my bet is the average deer rifle switched to a scoped gun in the 70's in the Midwest. And if you came from a lever gun, a scoped rifle made you feel like you could kill anything you saw, if you had a "Flat Cartridge". The 270 was the most common round that fit that description at least if you read the hunting magazines. Core lock and Silvertips were what you found in every hardware store. (that's where we bought guns, Or from guys with FFL's who mostly worked from home in a garage or basement. There were not that many gun shops. So even if you wanted a 7mm Express/280rem, 300savage, or Weatherby mag you had to get ammo in the summer to make sure you had enough for the fall. That kept a lot of guys buying "standard" ammo. The 308 was making big gains, as new guns in camp seemed to be 308's or 270's or 243's the same way as the 6.5 CM is dominating now. Deer were a new thing in many parts of the country. Family's in my area did not have traditions of deer camp, as the return of deer was something witnessed by the WWII generation in my area. The Quail and Rabbits and Clouds of Ducks were gone, were giving way to the Deer, as the game animal that dominated the fall. It's weird to think that things have changed that much in the last 50 years. All the wives tails about deer behavior, and the new tech applied to the hunt. It's better now but I really wish I could go back to one of those camps one last time. If there is a heaven waiting for me I bet it smells like wood smoke and Cigars. Full of tails of 10 pointers slipping through the morning fog, ribbing about missed shots. Vets telling tales of the war in Europe, and lots of laughter, friendly arguments about card games and calibers, drooping skinning poles and my old Winchester 70 in 270 leaning up in the corner.
What an awesome piece of history! The .270 Winchester is such a piece of American history and I’m glad you were able to enjoy it.
The Model 70 is THE perfect gun for a .270 Winchester as well.
Well written, you take be back through time as I also loved in that era. It is sad that the hunting traditions, camps, fun, passing of knowledge and generational history from elders down through to the youngsters and everyone in between has all but disappeared these days. 😢
My God.... we're so blessed to have y'all and the Vortex crew to ramble on about various cartridges.
My first deer rifle as a kid was a Ruger M77 Ultralight in 270 Win. That rifle has taken many deer for me over the years and even a couple elk. I have always really loved the 270. Fairly light recoiling, capable of taking all American hoofed game, fast, flat and just does what it is supposed to do. I still hunt with a 270 more than any other caliber.
M77 ultralight walnut is my favorite, factory Ruger 77 stocks fit me better than any other factory stock. I need to get an old m77. I prefer the smoother action on m700 or m70 but I don’t have issue with that more “wiggley” mauser bolt motion, the Ruger 77 is awsome
Hey Captain....that is my exact deer rifle...mine was born in '84. I have several deer rifles to pick from, but every year, I continue to take it to the woods. Whitetail and bear both. .270 is king
@@dchaney40 Mine is an '84 vintage as well, and like you I still use that same rifle regularly even though I too have a lot more rifles to choose from nowadays. As you say, out to ~400yds the .270 really can't be beat.
Me too, mark 2 m77 paddle stock man I miss that rifle.
I am enjoying these cartridge history casts about as much as I have the external/internal ballistics casts. Outstanding job, guys!
Second that
The 145 ELDX and modern powders breathe new life into the .270WCF. I can get the 145 hitting 2950 at the muzzle- it's a killing machine near or far!
Love these podcast. Ask my old man any rifle he could have and he will always swear by the 270. With some of these new bullets and a faster twist it's pretty hard to beat honestly.
You're damn right you'll get hate in the comments. The real reason you dont like fast twist 270s is because it put a serious shiner on the 6.5 prc
Yup lol. Hornady does NOT want the .270 (6.8 Western as well) to succeed because they are not investing in the caliber.
The .270 Win is better than both the 6.5 Creedmore and the 6.5 PRC if loaded properly. This scares them.
@@hunterjohnson5635270 win, 130 accubond with RL26 at 3250 FPS from a 22 inch barrel. It’s over 1800 fps at 800 yards. It may be easier and faster to find a load to shoot in the modern offerings but if you can get a 270 to shoot well, there’s no need to buy a new 6.5 if you already have a 270 in the safe.
Apples to oranges
@colefahey9032 yea you are right the 6.5 prc underperforms compared to the slow twist 270. That makes it to trash to even compare to a real cartridge
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Got my first buck ever this season with my .270 using a Hornady CX. I am grinning ear to ear listening to this podcast.
Congratulations! I just switched to the CX this year for my 270 and it worked perfectly on a large doe.
Interestingly enough, when you pit the 270 against 6.5 Creedmoor with current Hornady ELDX bullets, the 270 Winchester out shines the 6.5 Creedmoor. As people, we enjoy new and neglect old often. I favor the 270.
Isn't it great that there are so many choices.
Ya but the 6.5 Creed fits in the AR-10 platform. I do love the 270win.
I love my .270s. They have never disappointed me.
What models do you recommend?
Bullets or guns?
Shot 270 for the last 35 years, it's never let me down. I hunt in North FL and South Ga, taken, bucks and hogs, never failed me. You guys are right on the money with your instructions. I have never taken a shot further than 185 yards. Keep up the great work! GOD Bless HM🙏
As a teen in the early 1970s I poured over the cartridge table in the Winchester catalog. Still remember the 270 130 grain trajectory numbers zero +1.5" at 100 yards and -6.6" at 300 yards. Have three 270s in my safe. All moa and better with handloads. Not to mention the hammer of Thor on whitetails.
Yes, I always enjoy these cartridge talks!
Good to hear!
270 and 30 out 6 is by far my favorite round thanks for sharing and giving it some love
Right on
Legendary cartridge indeed . Great history lesson once again thank you Hornady podcast. As I was listening I kept telling myself. Jack O'Connor has to be mentioned. Can't talk 270 without him.
Looking forward to uo coming podcast.
Anything from an 06 case is pretty capable for the majority or what most people need. 25/06, 270, 30/06, 35 whelen. Those 4 alone are a very versatile caliber selection
I still run 270 but it does kick my butt, only because I am a 75 year old 11 Bravo Viet Nam Veteran that hated the 5.56.
The .270 Winchester won't ever die.
It is a very special round that does what it was designed to do perfectly.
Most bolt people are not distance or paper motivated.
They are hunters who want game in the freezer without having to walk a half-mile to retrieve it.
If they have a .270 in North America, they need nothing else.
If they don't, many will get one.
My personal All-Purpose Hunting Rifle is: Browning X-Bolt Pro Bronze in .270 Win chambering using the Muzzle Brake, Burris 3-12x42mm (Illuminated Reticle) with a Hand-Loaded Hornady 145 Grain ELD-X & MagPro powder going 3020 fps and a 1/4 inch group @ 100 yards. The set-up is lightweight overall at under 7 pounds (Gun, Mounts, Scope, Sling, Loaded Magazine). Yet it kicks less than my .243 Winchester. I have a choice of rifles from the ones that I own, but I take this one nearly Everytime. 😊
🕵️♂️ Did You Know That a 1 in 10 twist 270 Will Stabilize Bullets Heavier Than 150 grains? Using a 165 grain Nosler ABLR Bullet with a Muzzle Velocity of 2,800 ft/s (I Hunt Elk at Between 9,000 ft and 12,000 ft Elevations), the 270 bullet Will Maintain a Velocity of Over 2,000 ft/s and 1,500 ft lbs of energy (Deemed The Minimal Amount Needed to Kill an Elk) Out To Over 1/2 Mile (800+ yards)! I Don't Advocate Shooting Game Animals That Far, But The 270 Has The Ability to Do It and With Minimal Recoil In Comparison to ANY Other Cartridges That Can Do So As Well! 😱
I’m not an elk hunter but just for fun I got some Speer Grand Slams in 160 and 175 grain weights to load in 7x57 Mauser. For even more eye opening surprise look at the data for the ABLR and Partion 175 grain bullets in the 7x57 in the latest Nosler manual at close to around 2600 fps out of a 24” barrel. Run the numbers through any good ballistic calculator. BC for the Partition not as high for the ABLR but on the average when sighted just a little over 3.5” high at 100 yards or dead on at 250 they are just 4” high at the trajectory apex at 150 yards before falling to about 4.6” low at 300 while still clocking around 2150 fps with about 1750 ft lbs remaining kinetic energy. Still running about 2075 fps with around 1650 ft lbs or so at 350 yards and down around 11 inches. Even at 400 yards still clocking about 2000 fps with 1500 ft pounds and down about 19”. I’m quoting these numbers from memory but I think I’m pretty close on these averages for the two different bullets. With the ‘06 sized 270 case I think you may get some even better averages but it shows what can be done with modern powders and bullets. My 270 is an early 70’s Ruger 77 and my 7x57 is a custom job built on an early (1914) Kar 98 small ring 98 Mauser action. That’s plenty strong enough for any load from any modern loading manual. These loads should be good for maximum effective point blank range out to 300 yards or maybe a little farther on elk sized game. With the right sized and quality constructed bullets you really don’t need a magnum anything for most anything on the North American continent as long as you put it in the right spot.
😃 Yes, Advancements in Modern Bullets and Powders Certainly Have Changed Things For the Classic Cartridges and Made Them Even Better! Mild Recoiling Rifles Help You to Put the Bullet Where It Needs to Go Too! 🎯
I shoot a 270w tikka in match competition production class. Sierra make a match bullet in 135gn . I compete against all calibers and on most club days I win and this out to ranges to 1000yds. I am the only shooter that uses a 270 and everyone is surprised how good it shoots
I've hunted with the grand ole 270 for over fifty years and it has never let me down,my freezer proves that point, I purchased a xbolt stainless stalker ten years ago in that caliber and am amazed at the golf ball sized grouping at two hundred yards, shot placement to me is the game changer , and the extra bonus is the availability of that ammo pretty well anywhere you go.
i'm glad you guy's got around to talking about the 270 Winchester. I've been Load developing, Handloading and Long Range shooting for over 50+ years. I have developed loads for dozens of cartridges over the years and by far the two greatest were the 30-06 and the 270 Winchester. Just recently I loaded some of your 145 grain ELDX Hornady bullets with Reloader 22 to 3207 feet per second out of my 24 inch barrel Weatherby Vanguard Rifle. That load is 1.7 grains under Max. It shot a .315 sub MOA group. Witnessed by several people. I'm currently building a 270 with a 28 inch barrel and faster twist rate. If there is one thing the 270 needs is a longer barrel. You cannot beat the old War Horses.
Great podcast guys. Should say living in British Columbia many moose a year are successfully taken with the 270. Usually shooting over the counter ammo American Whitetail Interlocks, Power Points and Federal Power Shok ect
I have a Tikka t3 270. Very accurate. New copper bullets change things. Take a 270 over 6.5 creed or 6.5 prc. But the 7 prc might be closest 1 gun option out there
25-06 was more comparable for flat shooting compared to 270 Win than 22-250 that was mentioned here.
I was a sceptic until recently, I now own a .270 and I shot a samba doe at 80 yards with 130gr. Stopped her in her tracks. Appreciate your opinion’s keep up the great work🇦🇺
I love the 270. Especially in a wood stock. Second favorite is 7mm 08. With the difference in thousandths of a inch it now makes sense why i like the 7 08 too.
Two Great Choices! 🤑
7mm-08 is one those cartridges that does not get the respect it deserves.
Both Are Amazing Cartridges, Especially For Deer! 🦌
270 my favorite round. grew up with 3006 with 185 grain or larger as a kid. My dad in military. Got tired of recoil of 3006 , 270 just works always drops deer, Antelope, in their tracks .
I will say that if manufacturers supported the .277 class with higher BC bullets and the firearms manufacturers pumped out fast twist 270 factory options, I’d own a library of them.
BC boy here, born and raised. Grew up hunting big mulies, moose and black bears. My first rifle was a Enfield of course but my next rifle when I was 20 was a M700 mountain rifle in .270. Many a mulie, black bear and moose fell to the crack of that that rifle touching off. It still in the family. Taking the same game just with the next generation 😎
Another great video! Thanks again.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Picked up a Sako Finnbear in 270 Win at auction 15 years ago. Got it for a song. It's a tack-driver. sub moa at 200 yrds with handloads.
My dad bought a 270 Winchester in in 1961. It was his only centerfire cartridge for many years. He killed many deer, coyotes, and a few varmints. After moving to Alaska, it worked perfectly for caribou and even a couple of moose. I proudly used it this past Fall to take a whitetail. A handload with a plain 130 grain Hornady Interlock did the job.
As far as recoil is concerned, a lot of youth hunt mentors/guides put a muzzle brake on a .270win and let the kids have at it. I put a brake on mine when I bought it due to a shoulder injury and haven’t regretted having it on there yet. Tames any recoil there may have been down to almost nothing.
Great comment. Brakes are often overlooked. I'm looking at building a rifle for my 13 year old niece who's small framed but wants to start deer hunting with her Dad and brother. I want to build her a 7mm-08 due to the lighter recoil with the caveat that if even that is still too much for her, I can always install a brake on it and really tame it down.
Thank you for this great podcast
Our pleasure!
I Have owned and shot Winchester Model 70 since I were a yonker (many years ago). I currently own a Jack O'Connor tribute model 70, A beautiful rifle that has to be seen and fired to be appreciated.
I have been using the 270WIN 140 SST Superformance ammo for going on a decade now. I have that ammo running at about 3190 fps MV out of my REM 700 custom with a Lilja barrel. That seemed fast to me but the drops were proved out to 500 meters. The SST bullets are deadly on whitetails.
That's a slick setup. How long is the barrel?
24"
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I own a Winchester model 70 in .270 that was my Dads rifle and i still use that rifle today. I still handload the same ole 130 grain interlocks at 3100 fps that he did. Is there better bullets...sure. However they worked in the 60s and 70s and they work just fine today. Its a 1930 era rifle that has taken game all over North America.....and yes 6.5 CM bullets do bounce off deer😂😂😂
As a previous owner of a 270 I will tell you it is the one rifle ( and I have done this twice) the I regret selling. I have hunted for 40 Years now and I have yet to find a rife combination I like more then the Rem7600 and tje 270 win . I still have the 30-06 in the same rifle but the 270 was my favorite. From coyote to moose just havnt found anything I like more .
🕵️♂️ Having Went to the "Bigger 30 Calibers" and Then Come Back to the 270 Winchester and 30-06, I Don't Feel "Lacking" in Anything! 1/2 Century of Hunting Has Taught Me It Is More About Shot Placement and Good Bullet Selection, Than It is About Raw Horsepower! 🎯
I could listen to these videos all day long. I killed my first muley and pronghorn with a 280 Remington while using my uncle's 1983 CJ7 to get round his ranch. But, as y'all said, a 270 shooting a 130 grainer is certainly a classic and highly effective muley and pronghorn cartridge that I love to use. And yes, the CJ7 is still in the family. Great job boys!
Great podcast. You said it well when you said browning really improved the 270 with a faster twist and a short action. Being able to shoot longer ranger with the heavier bullets is an awesome design. I hope you guys will start making the 6.8 western ammo. It is a great design.
Thanks for sharing.
It’s unfortunate that the 270 WSM doesn’t get more love hard to find ammo or just brass for it, right now it’s hard to find plain bullets for 270 over all. I do enjoy the podcasts keep up the good work great information and very informative.
Oh yeah baby!!! Another great cartridge!!!
Jack O'Connor took grizzley with his .270 Win. I'm not recommending it, but I'm just noting that O'Connor did it. His museum in Lewiston, ID is worth a visit.
JUST IF - they would make match grade competition rifles in 270 like they do w the 6.5cm
🤷♂️ How About Making the 160 grain Interbond for the 270 Caliber/270 Winchester? The 160 grain Nosler Partition Has Been Around Forever and Could Use A Horneday "Upgrade"/"Replacement"! 😎
🤑 Since the 270 Winchester is One of the Top 5 Selling Calibers of All Times, Can't You Find a Way to Give It "A Little More Love" For It's 100th Anniversary? 😪
I spoke with Seth a few months ago about bringing the Interbond back. He said basically the bonding process is a pain more or less and difficult to maintain accuracy because of it. So they more than likely won’t make them anymore.
☹ Sad! However, the 165 grain Nosler ABLR Bullet Doesn't Have Accuracy Problems (Nor does the 150 grain Nosler ABLR Bullets Out of My 270 Winchester - It Shoot Great), So I Think That They Are Making a Big Mistake! But, Someone Else Will Fill That Void! I Know That Hammer Bullets Has a 162 grain 0.277 Bullet Out Now! Not My First Choice, But Someone Will Make it Happen, Because the 277 Has Alot of New Cartridges Clamoring For It, Let Alone Alot of 270 Winchester Lovers...Like You and I! 🤗
🤑 Horneday Has Went "All In" on Copper Bullets and I Get It! They Are Much Cheaper and Easier to Make and You Can Shape That Monolithic Bullet However You Want Too! But, To Me, Lead Core Bullets Still Have a Place and I Prefer Their Performance At Distance! Also, That Swift A-Frame Bullet at Closer Ranges Performs as Well as Any Bullet Out Their on Tough Critters! 🥊😵
.270 Corelokt - the deadliest mushroom in the woods
Which cartridges did you have the most calls on and why? That might make a good podcast topic.
This is off topic, but I wanted to praise Hornady 308 ELD-M ammo. My son and I entered a 600 yard F-Class match last weekend. My son with an off the shelf Daniel Defense Delta 3 in 6 Creedmoor shot a 599 aggregate with 28 x's and I shot a 598 with 40 x's. I shot an off the shelf savage Ft/r model 12. We got first and second place for the club match and both of us are positive we can shoot a 600 score with this ammo. I used 168g. Thank you for producing amazing match grade ammo.
Outdoor Life Magazine and Jack O'Connor is the reason I bought an M77 in 270 40 years ago. Wow I've taken so much game with this thing . Elk mule deer , whitetail, pronghorn, and of course a few coyote!
When I bought my first 270 it was one rifle to do it all in the early '70s. 90 grain bullet for varmint and coyotes 140 grand bullet Sierra boat tail hollow point for deer spitzer 150 grain bullets for heavier game elk round nose nausea partition 160 grain would do anything I needed it to do
When I lived in Alaska I knew a lot of guys that used the 270 for moose, caribou and sheep.
Great discussion! The 270 was also my first rifle in a Rem 721 bolt action. Thats been over 55 years ago.
The best bullet i found for reloading was the 130grn Bronze Point. I believe it was a Remington or Winchester bullet. Put that over a moderate load og imr4831, CCI 200 primer and i was good to go.
Wish i still had that rifle.
I remember it well. Bronze point was Remington. My 270 go to powder for 130s is IMR 4350. H4831 for the 135 Matchking.
When the 270 came out it was no big deal! It’s not until the scope came on the scene and Jack O’Conner started using both and seeing what the 2 could do together that it started really gaining in popularity! The scope and the 270 was a match made in heaven and the rest is history! My father hunted with the 270 in the 40’s but he really didn’t think that much of it until the pre64 featherweight came with it and he was using the 308 at the time in the pre64 and saw the advantage of the 270 with the scope and also using John Nosler Partitions in the early 50’s from a friend John! Jack O’Conner was such a great promoter that he brought the 270 and it’s great ballistics to the public’s attention and the rest is history!
Had a friend around 1998 that wanted rid of her Rem 700 .270 BDL because she said it kicked too hard. I had never even shot one before, but it was at a price that if I passed it up, I'd have been an idiot. I usually shot .30-06, so how bad could it be, right? To this day, I still love that rifle.
I was gifted my 270 from a metallurgist in our deer camp that did some testing for some of the very first savage 110’s in 1997 ish. i put a recoil pad on it a few years back but i still use it with a 130 gr cx and filled my freezer with a nice buck. But as a young high schooler that thing with a plastic butt pad would bite you hard in the shoulder.
I have a Bergara b14 hunter in 270 win love that combo.
.277 projectiles are actually when loaded are 7.03 mm, the original 7mm, 150 gr Accubond turns the 270 loose.
🤠 Regarding the Faster Twist Barrels for the 270 Winchester in other Factory Rifles, You do have other rifle options Now! Howa makes it in a 1 in 9 twist barrel, Savage in 1 in 8 1/2 barrel, and I believe both Winchester and the "New" Remington Arms Company (Among "Others") is putting on a 1 in 8 twist barrel now! Lots more options are on the way (comming)! 🤗 It is My "Understanding", Regarding Twist Rate, That You Only Want Just Enough Twist to Stabilize the Bullet? Going "To Fast" on Twist Rate Will Effect Accuracy Negatively, I've Been Told By a Gunsmith! 😯
Will the Model 70s get updated twist rates??
I Think So! Probably For It's 100th Anniversary? 🥳
We Are Almost to Shot Show 2024! So If It Doesn't Appear Next Month, We Will Have to Wait a Whole Year More! 😪
seems strange that they even bother going to 1:8 when the 1:10 people have shown all the 165 ABLR and 170 rounds still stablize in it, 1:9 should be more than enough with less stress on the barrel itself.
🕵️♂️ Since Copper Seems To Be "The Wave of the Future", Especially For Horneday, I Think That You Are Right! 🤑
Stop comparing the 270 to the 6.5cm. The 270 is far more comparable to the 6.5prc. Powder capacity, bullet weight, velocity. One has a more frontal diameter the other is better out past 500yds
🕵️♂️ Go to Reloading Weatherby's Podcast and Watch the 270 Winchester "Outperform" the 6.5 prc at 1/2 Mile! 😜
Now with 165 gr and 170 gr watch it be comparable to the 6.5s beyond 500 yards to 700, 800 yards and maybe more.
🥳 My Favorite Cartridge! Before I Challenge Your Knowledge Regarding The 270 Winchester and "Create Some Controversy", I Want To Point Out Some of It's Capabilities! Since You are Talking Coyotes and Deer/Antelope - Did You Know That Using Norma 204 Powder and a 110 grain Bullet (Like a TTSX or Accubond), You can push that weight bullet out at 3,500 ft/s! So, Zeroing the Rifle at 350 yards - you can have only +/- 4.5" of drop variation out to 400 yards and only 15" of drop out to 500 yards! That doesn't take alot of "Guesswork" to make that shot! 🎯
Been shooting a 270 with a variety of handloaded bullets since 1980. Owned a few other rifles and used them all but when you go to the field you need to pick one you are going to carry. I leave the ‘06, the 9.3, the 260 and take the 270 if I am serious about bringing home something. Mine is loaded with 140 Hornady interlocks, but tried others like Noslers and ELD X, Sst’s. Pretty well do in everything I am after. The ‘06 is a 270 on a protein diet, not needed, the 260 is incredibly accurate but doesn’t kill as hard. The p9.3 is carried in Grizzly country only. Don’t think I can outgrow my 270.
Another Great Podcast 💯💥💥💥💥💥💥💥
Much appreciated
My dad shot a 7mm rem my grandad shot a 308. My dad bought me a 270. I traded it off on a 7mm. Only gun i would want back. Great caliber
Ran my old ruger m77 .270 win all weather past a mile with 90 grain sierras. 20 years ago, i dont remember the handload recipe. Have it in my old notebook. My pops still uses it and those 90s. We had a pile of the old blue 130gr x bullets loaded up. Saw a few of those still rolling around the ranch last year, they were mean rounds
I’m found the .270 Superformance CX ammunition to be outstanding. Match-grade consistency and great performance on a cow elk this year.
Thanks for the feedback. I want to try that exact combo for big game as well. Already found it to be supremely accurate in my 270. Better than any other factory ammo.
Loved my .270win. Rifle barrel gave in a couple of years ago, and now I have a .308win. I should have gotten another .270win, it's sooooooo nice to shoot 350meters and closer.
I took Kudu, Gemsbuck, blackwildebeest, blesbuck and loads of springbuck with bonded 130gr bullets.
The 270 shows the differences found between the older copper crusher pressure testing system and the more modern presssure-transducer method. The SAAMI max average pressure for the 270 is 52,000 psi with the crusher method and 50,000 psi for the 30-06. The max pressure spread using the modern transducer method is greater: 65,000psi for the 270 and 60,000 for the 30-06.
Also piezo transducer can detect transient pressure spikes that the copper crusher can not.
8:50-ish - "I'm not taking my .270 coyote hunting..."
There are certainly "better" choices if looking for pelts, but if dealing with coyotes taking calves, sheep, chickens or threatening the family hund, then whatever is readily available is the "right" cartridge... .270 Win is def a reliable tool for that problem.
A friend’s dad leased land to cow farmers. Coyote problem. I took one with my .270 and still have the fur hanging on my wall.
I didn’t grow up hunting since I didn’t live in the same town as my Grandfather and my father didn’t hunt. With that said when I visited was mainly bird hunting.
For the .270 that is what my grandfather shot. I don’t know how many deer, pronghorn, or elk he had taken with it including a dall sheep, caribou, mountain goat, and moose with it.
So when I started big game hunting that is the rifle/caliber I used.
He preached to us is “Get as close to the animal as you can to make the cleanest shot as you can to put the animal out of their misery as you. “
I have recently got 2 new but proven calibers in my safe. The 300wm and 25-06.
Proven calibers that so far have stood the test of time. In my opinion the newer calibers have a lot to prove. Not say they aren’t good just have a long way to go to prove themselves.
One of the most uncomfortable guns I've ever shot was a Remington ADL in 270. Brutal. I shoot 300 win mag and 50 BMG regularly and wouldn't trade either in terms of recoil for that particular 270. I have a good friend whose grandfather took an elephant with a 270. Old Winchester model 70... gorgeous rifle. He's got one of the tusks and the tail from the hunt which took place back in the early 50's.
He killed an elephant with a .270??? That’s AWESOME!!
My dad shot a Rem 721 270...when I got mine...Rem 700 270 LH.......love both. Shot deer, elk, pronghorn, prarrie dogs,and coyotes with both growing up. Hand load 110grn up to 160 Partitions(when I can find them). Have had good luck with all.
Who else thinks that was another marketing for the 6.5 creedmor I’m little disappointed in Hornady anymore and I live close to Hornady and I’m going with different ammo manufacturers should tell you something
I am new to hunting but not new to shooting. Have BAR 30-06 that is sentimental so I was looking for a different rifle. I got a great deal on a Benelli . 270 so I'm looking forward to next deer season and getting out in the field with it.
Still a very capable rifle. Even the old school 1:10 twist rate barrels can handle up to 150 gr easily. So many great powders and bullet choices today and accessories such as barrel tuners and brakes that you can fine tune your 270 to be amazing.
For some reason I had a choice between a 270 and a 30-06. Toyed with the purchase between the two for several days and bought the 30-06. I have loaded lots of 270 and still have alot of brass and bullets for them. A pair of 7400 autoloaders were great in 270.
I like a 150gr 30cal bullet in my 308. The 06 adds just a tad more performance.. Probably acquire a 270 though down the road. 200 yards is about max in distance available to hunt in the woods around here so the added distance on the 270 is not needed. If I do need distance, my 7mm Mag fills that very well. Super long ways out, 300 Wby...
Great video. Every cartridge has its niche in nastolgia and its purpose. The difference in tge new cartridges like the Creedmoor, PRCs and that 6.8 Western eat more copper and lead in the heavy for cal bullets. I like my 220 Swift too as a traditionalist.
I had a 270 win in a BAR. But I just wanted to say that I had read that they backed the 270 back down because hunters were complaining that it was blowing the deer up. Mainly because of the meat damage. I believe that was in an outdoor life article.
Nice job and thank you! Love your products and your contributions to the industry. @hornady #hornady , Please offer more heavier and higher BC bullets in .277. Also please look at offering these bullets in your great factory offerings for 270 Win and WSM. I’m sure your ballistics folks know there’s .277 bullet manufacturing out there heavier than 150 grains. Many reloaders out there stabilize 151-175 grain bullets in 270 Win and WSM with standard 1-10 twist rates. Plus there’s faster twist barrels in 270 available now. We understand your angst against Winchester and the 6.8 western, but you’re missing a huge niche in the market to make heavier and higher BC bullets/ ammo in .277.
This. The .277 caliber is a black sheep for this reason. It’s perfect in most every way, but needs more industry support.
Love my Remington ADL in 270. Took a buck at 205 yds with a Federal Fusion 130 gr bullet.
🕵️♂️ Go To Vortex Nations Podcast and Watch the 270 Winchester "Outperform" the 300 WM, 7mm RM, 7mm prc, 30-06 Springfield, 6.5 Creedmore, etc...in the Copper Bullet Penetration Test (40+" and 36 1/2") and Do It With Far Less Recoil Than Most of the Competitors! 😎
The XM7 in .277 is interesting. I have a 270 WSM and it does kick like a mule, because it is in a Tikka T3 Lite Stainless chassis - it weighs less than 8 lbs with the scope on. I put a Limbsaver buttstock on, and wearing a shoulder pad helps me avoid flinching. I plan on getting the muzzle threaded and adding an MDT Comp Brake, and that will make me want to test this thing out to 1500y with Nosler's new 150 grain ABLR, and maybe even the 165 grain bullet if I start reloading (next year, maybe..) because my barrel is a 1-9.5" twist, and Nosler's site says that bullet requires a 1-9", and if I back off the powder charge a bit, maybe get it to around 2940, with my 24 3/4" barrel, it might get an extra 60fps to put me just above 3k fps, and see if that bullet stabilizes, or back it off a bit and see if slower speeds give me a solid flight. That bullet has a .62 BC, while the 150 grain has a .591, so, out at long range, that 150 might still be crazy accurate. I am definitely going to try the 145grain ELD-X, if I start reloading, because there are no cartridges for the 270 WSM from Hornady up here (Canada) ... unless I can cross the border and bring some back... I'm only 1.5 hours drive from the border, sooooo...
Got my grandpas early 70s Remington 700 in .270. And my god, its a tack driver. You point and it groups moa all day. Im a 30cal guy until recently and my god the first time shooting a 130gr .277 bullet was like lightning. Ive had a 300wsm shooting 150s at 3,250-3,300fps, but man it just seemed like the 130gr .277s just get to the target faster. Call my crazy but its like lightning. Ive never shot an elk and ive never shot a mule deer. But big white tail drop like a light switch was turned off. Deer on the ground before you can look up from the scope. I'd love to see Hornady show some love and release a 6.8 PRC, with a case in between 6.5 prc and 7 prc capacity. I know 6.8 western is out there. However, im not paying winchester money for a rifle that nobody carries ammo for. Thus why i went with a Mossberg 6.5 PRC earliest this year to retire the ol 270.
The .270 is a great round, as a reloader I wish I could still get the Hornady Interbond in 150s.
🕵️♂️ You can, but you have to be a Reloader! 🤷♂️
I have a Sako Hi-Power Sporter in .270 that is older than I am (and I'm kinda old), and it shoots great. The .270, the '06 and the .308 are better than ever, especially with modern loadings (yes, like Hornady). And deer and elk haven't grown Kevlar hides in the last century.
My first rifle was a rem721 .270. Get my first elk with it. Still have it but its now a 280ai.
🤠 I am a Big 270 Winchester Fan, But I Would Love to See the 280 AI Get More Support! GREAT CARTRIDGE TOO! 👍😃
I used to help cull coyote with a pro. I used many many rifles... basically every remotely suitable and the one I used the most was lightweight 270 with relatively light hand loads. Everything was 50 to 200 yards and most were 100 to 150. Others were more suitabke... 223, 22-250, 243. This was 1997 - 2005 so pre-Creedmoor but I was only set up to reload 270 so it was literally the cheapest centerfire I could shoot.
The writers had to write. There was no controversy about the .270 Win. here in ranch country. The 6.5 Man Bun, on the other hand? Lets talk in 96 years.
great episode, I found it useful and informative. big 270 fan. btw, would you please do a pod cast on the 30-30, also a fan of that one as well.
Great suggestion!
@@hornadyI suggest that you bring out a classic .30-30 rifle for that podcast. A Winchester Model 64 Deluxe - literally marketed as The Deer Rifle - would be perfect. The cartridge and the rifle might be “outdated” but the cool factor is off the charts IMHO 😎
Jack O'Connors favorite round before all the great bullets available now. 300weatherby is my favorite round but 270winchester and 30-06 are always great.
I've always wondered if the folks at Winchester told the engineers to make a 7mm. They thought they meant bullet, they meant bore. 🤷
In the 70's, my research with Hornady, Speer and Sierra ballistic tables gave the edge to the the 280. Not a lot to matter, but the bullet selection pushed the 280 to the front.
.277 isn’t 7mm though. I genuinely think they came up with it on their own using the imperial system instead of the metric.
Are you going to do a heavier eld-x for the .270 cal? I have a 6.8 western begging for one.
Oh man, I am a .270 wcf , fan.
If I saw a better round for what I d( I would switch), Bighorns first and the rest next, it just works.
These days with the excellent bullets and propellants have made it better.
500 hundred yards is a probable wounding distance anyway, 350 yards is a stretch for any rifle. It had better be a very reliable to reach beyond 300 yards.
It can be made very compact , easy to carry, recoils lightly.
No mountain rifle should be long barrelled, imo. No Sheep rifle
I have killed a pile of mature Bull Elk & Moose . using the the Nosler Partition.
Look at the bullet options now.
How about the new cx? The gmx worked
I love my Browning A bolt medallion 270
😜 Did You Notice That The 270 Winchester Podcast Received More Viewers Than The 30-06 Podcast, Despite Being Made Later? 😯 Yes, the 270 Winchester is "More Popular"! 😎
Nice podcast. I think you should do the 35 whelen next
Great Suggestion! 😃👍
You should do a podcast on your law-enforcement bullets specifically the 106 grain 6 mm
The 150 grain .270 round was introduced due to complaints from hunters shooting at close range, of excess meat damage from the 130.