Will Damming This River Lead to War?
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- Water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink. Today's episode is about a dam they'd never let me get close to, and the countries who wish to destroy it.
I didn't get a chance to review this video after it was edited due to birthday celebrations, so here's hoping there are no mistakes...
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This in and of itself points in a direction. The TRUTH IS TO POINT IN A DIRECTION THAT IS GUIDED BY THE ONE POINTING . AND TO HOPEFULLY REACH THE POINT WHERE BEING GUIDED AND BY BEING THE GUIDE THE ONE WHO IS THE GUIDE IS POINTING
I'm too broke to support on patreon, but I let the ADs run.
Egypt: But our poor need water
Ethiopia: But our poor need electricity
America: It looks like you both will need weapons
a heck lot of weapons and usa and france and russia will happily provide them
China: Here's some debt, er I mean money. All your bases belong to us.
Russia: Here's some discount weapons.
And little bit of freedom too
America: Have you ever heard about democracy too?
Britain: 2 for 1 on cluster bombs
France: 20% Chemical weapons
Russia: *chuckles in nuclear secrets*
I am watching this in July 2020, the week Ethiopia started to fill the lake.
The dam isn't yet complete but they have started to store water from this week.
This same week I watched a programme about Live Aid in 1985. Millions of Ethiopians were starving because of years of poor rainfalls and of course, poor politicians fighting over a country of dust.
You can see why the dam is so important to them.
I come from the future
The 3rd filling just happened
@@EthiotendoEdits Fantastic.
The sooner it is filled, the sooner Ethiopia can generate lot's of electricity and the sooner Egypt can stop worrying and realise the dam will actually benefit them
It's like Rango in real life
_Control the water, you control everything._
Or the second episode of Trigun lol. There's probably a whole TVTropes page deidcated to water control plots.
I knew I wasn’t the only one who hasn’t forgotten that movie exists
ever seen snowpiercer?
"thirsssty brotherrrr"
I finally found a comment section where I belong!
I'm still working through your videos (I'm still on Cambodia!) but I've never been this early to a video before so I just want to let you know how amazing and fulfilling this video series is. I appreciate what you've created here and I hope you continue with it! Great work!
04:42 "And I’ve rarely seen two nations acting with that much faith for long."
One notable exception is the water sharing agreement between India and Pakistan, the Indus Waters Treaty. Since the agreement was signed, the two nations have fought many wars and are perennially at loggerheads over contested territory and cross-border terrorism but neither nation, particularly India, has ever resorted to using water as a weapon. To quote Wikipedia: "Since the ratification of the treaty in 1960, India and Pakistan have not engaged in any water wars. Most disagreements and disputes have been settled via legal procedures, provided for within the framework of the treaty. The treaty is considered to be one of the most successful water sharing endeavours in the world today, even though analysts acknowledge the need to update certain technical specifications and expand the scope of the document to include climate change." More at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indus_Waters_Treaty
Inside India however, states fight over water. This is especially true for the monsoon-fed seasonal rivers of southern India than the snow-melt-fed perennial rivers of the north. The most notable dispute is between the southern states of Karnataka and Tamilnadu over sharing the waters of the river Kaveri and its tributaries. More at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaveri_River_water_dispute
True dat. Water can be life as well as death. It takes huge amounts of integrity to not use it as a weapon.
You should come up with an example where the country that breaks the treaty isn't under threat of nuclear annihilation.
He said "rarely", not "never".
How can neither of them have EVER used water as a weapon against each other, but PARTICULARLY India? Clearly you're mincing your words, and clearly one or both HAVE used it as a weapon against the other.
@Will L Wikipedia at least cites its sources, unlike news media. Time when Wikipedia was full of nonsense is long gone. Now it is reliable way how to get sources that you can read.
"Do not, my friends, become addicted to water"
Vodka is better anyways! Lol
I prefer the spice..
you are an idiot my friend
@@exoraturbo25 u mean the spice guy? Yeah he is risking death from unknown chemicals when ssafe and prescribed synthetic cannibanoids exist
Mad max
I pray that all the countries involved will act in good faith and do no harm to one another.
That Historically powerful nation lost all it's wars with Ethiopia
This is fact! Ethiopia never lost a war in history. These Egyptians better remember "The Battle of Gundet" and "The Battle of Gura". lol
There's a first time for everything...
@Electrolous what are you taking about bare inved us and we wipd your ass
@Electrolous you didnt put your eye glass when you read. Ethiopia distroyed sumalian 25 war planes completely. Ethiopia had a new government over thrown the king and dismantle kings army almost we had no army when sumalian army found open gate to invade. the socialist new government mobilized the youth and push back the sumalies.
@@eliastefera8574 Ehh... definetly did at some point, depends on what you consider ethiopian, afterall there were kingdoms since a very long time in the region. Disappearing, and new ones taking its place. So depending on when you consider Ethiopia to become Ethiopia the answer will be different.
as an Egyptian the lack of talkes between the two nations the oversimplification the lack of coverage all signs of bad omens and management to come.
@Historical Icons North Africa was settled by Mediterranean peoples.
@Historical Icons I said Mediterranean people not specifically Arabs. The Amazigh are the aboriginals along North Africa closest to the sea. They were Caucasian before the Sub Saharan migrations 500 years ago. Well documented. If you look at the documented mummies and hieroglyphics they are overwhelmingly Caucasians and not Negroids.
Nothing bad will come. For thousands of years Egypt tried to control the source but Ethiopia easily deafeted Egypt. Sure looks like the land south of Egypt is the land of the gods
@Historical Icons really caucasians are simply horn africans thet eveolved, really. So you are saying we are not african like you.
@Historical Icons
Lol what?
Egypt will go to war over this. If I remember correctly, Egypt stated they would declare war back in the early 70's if any country dams the Nile.
@Jonathan Williams And when has that ever stopped anyone, I mean Afghanistan is a landlocked country, yet somehow US troops have been stomping around there for over a decade now. And besides, it's probably of coalition of both Egypt AND Sudan, who is bordering Ethiopia, that is coming upstream knocking.
@@LasOrveloz the US has power projection, Egypt doesn't
Egypt absolutely would violate Sudanese airspace to attack the dam in Ethiopia.
Nevermind that, as Evan said, Egypt could just flex it's suez muscles if anyone bats an eye towards it.
I can already hear American news outlets calling it "another irrelevant african war"
@Jonathan Williams exactly. It'll be in the elites' best interest to make little of it, with Egypt holding the canal and all
Egypt can't project military power that far.
All Ethiopians I've known were smart and very reasonable. Honest good people.
Thyandyr agreed, better than Somalians 😂🤣🤣🤣
Thank you
@@christinaheuer7169 I am Somali and Kenyan we are the same people!
@@thejaramogi1 no we are not but we are brothers
I almost sharted my pants 🤣 though it’s sad they got ethnic strife even the Ones that immigrate. Why keep the hate against Eritreans. We are Americans first silly people.
Please take note: "Murder" has been misspelled in the end-credits.
To add, rivers certainly are something very precious to every nation, and a river flowing through multiple nations does create a volatile geopolitical situation especially somewhere the river itself is the backbone of all those consecutive nations.
@@mohamedelhaddade6371 murde
@@mohamedelhaddade6371 nerde
I would HATE to die by murde.
Really thought provoking. I'm honestly not sure what I think about it yet but it's definitely got me thinking. Thanks for making this!
Guillaume Couture-Lévesque So ?????
Ethiopia: We gonna build a wall and make Egypt pay for it.
Flooding China now. Next will be when they open that 1.
If Sudan has already built dams (upstream from Egypt), then, with regards to flooding, how can Egypt expect things will be any different if there's a dam further upstream in Ethiopia? Flooding in Egypt is already controlled by the Sudanese dams and whatever solids/minerals that are carried out of Ethiopia are settling behind those dams.
Some small dams do not equal that big one already under construction...
Also, flooding in Egypt is controlled by two dams: the older Aswan damn and the larger High Dam. Sudanese dams lessen the effect of the flood when it comes but it does not affect the water that flows into Egypt from Lake Nasser onward.
In addition, approximately 85% of the Nile water and minerals that enter the last main stream (after convergence of blue Nile and white Nile) is sourced from Ethiopia. Ethiopia would have significant willpower as to what Egypt gets. The host couldn't have said it better when he mentioned the incredible levels of trust is required.
"Denial is not just a river in Egypt."
dinesh vasu aid ? lol Egypt aint that rich like America or the Saudi to give aid to Ethiopia , they buy weapon with loan from the Saudi lol I doubt they will have cash to give to the Ethiopia , look like we gona have a interesting war soon, Egypt with it newly mig29m and su35 + f16 and dassault bombing the dam :)
Just because of that will bomb the dam won't be the first time
Apparently its also a river in Ethiopia.
@@inouelenhatduy and along with it a flood bigger than in the bible wipes all sudanese cities + most Egyptians cities and farms resulting in long droughts. While we continue life as usual and prepare to build a new one lol. Loss loss
I read somewhere once "Water will be the new oil"
People are ignorant distilling water is simple cheap and scaleble to industrial levels but they want people to panic give government more power and buy super expensive reverse osmosis water purifier plants.
Distilling water takes vast amounts of power/cost to provide enough for an average persons daily use(not just drinking). By comparison modern desalination plants often cost less than 30 cents per 1000 litres(around 250 gallons) to produce drinking water so it's insanely cheap and only getting cheaper as the technology improves.
@@Jake12220 It does not take vast amounts of man made electrical power to distill water using the sun you can distill your 1000 liters for a few cents mostly being human employees pay to manage and maintain the system.
@@Barskor1 given it was a video about Ethiopia my first thought was of wood fired old-fashioned stills. Yes solar stills are a lot more efficient than wood fired, but the cost is still far higher than for desalination for a couple of reasons. A solar desalination plant big enough to supply water for a few million people would be gigantic and the cost in terms if materials, labour, maintenance and setup would be far higher than the equivalent cost of installing a solar power system with a reverse osmosis system simply due to the efficiencies if the given systems. Of course a simple dam with modern water treatment systems would be far cheaper again, but solar stills require the heating of water, RO does not and heating water is very energy intensive.
@@Jake12220 City sized reverse osmosis systems cost hundreds of millions of dollars and need large areas to operate and most of them can't provide for a whole city alone and have all the same concerns of labor materials maintenance and so on. They need powerful energy costly pumps to push the water through filters that are expensive and need regular replacing.
All countries that have the sources of the Nile, should sign a defense pact. It may be easy for Egypt to scare just Ethiopia or Uganda but it'll be impossible to scare Ethiopia and all the East African community countries.
Lol
Ethiopia is doing this. Has multiple defense pacts with neighboring nations.
Of course Egypt has to scare them, it has no choice. Everyone acts like Ethiopia should have the right to destroy all of Egypt and kill millions of people so their wealthy elite can watch more TV.
@@dvf1736 So Ethiopians should be poor, so Egyptians could be happy? I don't see Ethiopia telling Egypt to give them free petroleum products
After going to Egypt last year. Honestly they don't deserve the Nile with the amount of trash in it.
Ethopia has even more trash
@@BadreHN how like 60% of Ethiopians never seen the river
"I am not worried that the Egyptians will suddenly invade Ethiopia. Nobody who has tried that has lived to tell the story."
Former Ethiopian Prime Minister Meles Zenawi
U are so weak to fight egypt
@@adhamrecch6317 of all 99.99% invaders who came to war with Ethiopia 100% of them have lost in the past let Google tell you that and Ethiopia is more than capable to fight Egypt with the exception of air power that's why the dam is being built in collaboration with Israel and China, Now any Arab country whose got a problem about the dam also have to deal with Those Countries too. But War is Not Good For Any Country Except US and Russia!
last time i checked the somalis who had a rug tug army almost captured ur capital city a few decades ago and ur here telling us u can beat Egypt thinking Israeli and Saudis will help Ethiopia not any other country but Ethiopia next time think twice before you mumble garbage
@@solusprime3109 and who do you think freed somalis from alshabab! and still monitors that country and the time you were talking about were in the DERG era which was just a show off army and a dictator but now even egypt is in trouble if she think she can beat my country's army!
@@adhamrecch6317 When was last time that Egypt won war ? ? ?
Throughout history Ethiopia never provoked others countries but other countries does . If Egypt make a wrong move against Ethiopia that will be the end of Egypt . Do not start something that you can not win.
Apparently Uganda and Rwanda has also planning to build a massive Dam on the Nile river. So , make sure that you ppl have enough weapons to make a war with Africans. Your time is over. Time is for Africans. R.I.P Egypt .!!!
Egypt can say whatever they want, but they got to remember that the people upstream control the amount of piss in "their" river.
This video could have been so much more interesting if you had added maps.
Charles Uwakwe picky bitch use google tf wrong with you
@@Fatherof21 It is a perfectly reasonable suggestion. Why do you want to eliminate feedback that improve the video for everyone? I use google to look up a map of the region, but the video will be better if the map is included already.
I agree where are the damn dam maps, dammit!
100% Lazy editing.
Exactly! like wtf was that at 1:32
Great video as usual, despite your videographer problems. One small note though, and this goes for some of your other videos as well - this episode in particular would have benefited from a map showing the region and how the river flows. I think it would have helped explain why this is such a complex issue.
Benny Löfgren amen. Halleloo
Egypt declares war ...Egypt will never have water ....you don't mess with the source unless you are God and you can move it with a snap
Doesnt work that way, if they close the dam after war declaration within hours they would airstrike the dam and open it that way and they can do nothing to stop it as egypt has close to 40times their military budget and thats excluding the us aid that is 4x Ethiopias military budget on record they have 3x the amount of ethiopias aircrafts and unlike them they got modern equipment. It would be as if a full grown man (Egypt) went and kicked a baby in stomach (Ethiopia) nothing they can do about it.
@@Faradeth1111 u r right they can destroy the dam however don't under estimate Ethiopian capability to destroy Egyptian dam and divert the Nile within the country.
Ethiopia defeated enemies a lot stronger than Egypt. This is a fact buddy! Egypt is a piece of cake to Ethiopians when it comes to war. lol
@@Faradeth1111 Egypt is much stronger than Ethiopia, but it is a suicide mission anyway since China has an awful lot of interests in Ethiopia and this dam. And don´t forgot that Ethiopia has never lost a war and defeated Egypt pretty easly before.
There's something about the sound of fresh water hitting the shore that is so appealing at a primordial level. I remember my Neolithic professor telling us to go to the shore of a river at night, close our eyes and just listen, and we would know why our ancestors settled there and carved their art in those rocks.
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You might be the first westerner to take an interest in this. Thanks for that.
The problem here, is mostly due to the ineptitude of the Egyptian nation. For the past century or so, the country has mired itself in pointless regional conflicts against powers it had no chance of beating as opposed to investing in it's own infrastructure, food and water security.
Even now and despite their economic crash, if they wanted to, they could easily build enough solar desalination plants to cover the entire country's water needs. Sunlight and sea water aren't exactly in short supply nor is the technology all that advanced.
But they won't because the government of Egypt is, in effect, a few petty squabbling extended families loosely herded together in the same pen by a strongman from the military whose sole ambition is to establish his own family among the herd. None of them are motivated by the progress of the nation since they all assume it will last forever regardless of their actions. All of them are out for the security of themselves and their kin.
Indeed, a once venerable quality in family loyalty has deformed into Egypts greatest vice, nepotism.
And it has roots embedded in every level of society.
The population itself will never do anything about it because the ones that want to stay, care more about the maintainance of Islamic traditions (which are very partial to the tribalism of the day) than the honest pursuit of a better nation.
When confronted on this, whether a leader or an average citizen, the quintessentially Egyptian response is to swear by the fantasy that some other party is causing the problem.
Depending on who constitutes them, "the people" will blame the government, the rich, the mullahs, the minorities, America, Israel and whomever else they can think of besides themselves.
The fact is if the Egyptian people had ever once taken serious strides towards a stronger, more developed, independant and thereby more stable Egypt, then the effects of a long overdue dam in Ethiopia would not be so dire.
That's the long and the short of it anyway.
The Egyptians sound so much like Nigerians. Always blaming someone else for their woes.
what if ethiopia, sudan and egypt make a small piece of land that is controlled by all three parties. and is considered a demilitarised zone. it would be just big enough for the damn and minimum required infrastructure. and the damn would be managed by a board of representatives of each country. where this board will make decisions by vote.
A very sane suggestion
That’s too reasonable the gun traders will not profit if there is no war.
Ya the egyptians were offered a 30% and sudan 20% share in the dam. But their reply was “ no! You will not dare build the dam. We will not allow it”, so Ethiopia started it on her own. And now its finishing.
There is the same problem between India and Pakistan. From memory they have a treaty to have joint control over the rivers that cross the border so they don't have to fight another war. So far both have honoured the treaty which is pretty impressive for a pair of countries that have fought four wars since the partition, and the fact they still have disputed territories.
What is even more astonishing is that India doesn't even use (read block) the 20% of water that the treaty allows it to use. Though it could be changing soon, if I remember correctly
6:36 "War, terrorism and murde" - literally unwatchable
there is no such things as perfection, that is a human ideology, if perfection existed then you would not, nor would anything you know of. that is simple science.
"the sosig chef - literally indoctrinated"
Ethiopia: Build the dam!
America: Build the wall!
real on, lmao
Rupert Stiltskin Ethiopia is a Christian nation. The Muslims in the East part of the nation consider themselves Somali not really Ethiopian. So the numbers online are scewed
Egypt: build a bomb do dam the dam!
So, let's go over the major rivers of the world. Yellow river, Yangtze, almost entirely controlled by China. Mississippi, Missouri, almost all USA. Rhine, Danube, controlled by the EU. Amazon River, almost all controlled by Brazil. Ganges, all India. Notice all these areas are relatively peaceful.
Now Euphrates and Tigris, these rivers are not at all controlled by one power like the others, and the area has been plagued by frequent violence and wars this past century.
Finally, look at the Nile, split between several nations, more nations than any other river in the world. It seems that unless the entirety of the Nile is united under one authority, war is coming to this area of the world.
Danube is in a rather different situation - it has a lot of supplementary sources along the way, and still there is a small conflict between Romania and Ukraine about it`s enter.
My country has 4,5 major navigable rivers and it is a good for us (but they don`t go to any usefull ocean) and one is our border with China, but are not a lot of people near it.
Oh, great idea! We need international fascism to control every river and water source. That'll end well. /s
No matter what happens the NILE originates from Ethiopia. Ethiopians will defend like they did for thousands of years. Nothing new
@dale3 e Globalism can be done well, but I agree that this would be a horrible way of doing it.
sawman man the Nile actually starts in Uganda....get your facts right
5:00 what a great metaphor for the tensing between the nations... haha I love the geopolitical talk with the video suddenly of you play punching with a kid
"Will you dam that river? Maybe I don't give a damn, anyway." - Alice In Chains
Maybe Egypt could put up solar panels and sell some of that power upstream in exchange for some dam consessions? Mutual Mass Cooperation?
0:04 that dolly shot tho! or was it a super steady steadicam? Nevermind, I'm gonna watch the rest of the vid now but the first ten seconds, cinematographically, already blew my mind. Thanks for being awesome.
Kinda looks like a drone shot to me.
Just a guy walking with a gimbal
A similar conflict is between India and China ...China is planning and building the biggest dam on Brahmaputra river blocking eastern India water resource. And believe me if China and India go to war result would be devestating. It won't be a war between two nations ...it would be war between two ideologies. A third world war.
We have to do something ,but what can we do ? The question is that .
Edit: it's north eastern India and Bangladesh basically every region that rely on the river . It's a mighty river . Really biblical . China has its own need and no one should have problem with that but at what cost would they satisfy their needs ? At the cost of millions and billions of lives ?
I suspect that's part of China's Water Transportation scheme, which aims to provide water for China's dry northern regions. There's an entire series of films Evan could make on that alone...
Sorry to be THAT guy but shouldn't it be north-eastern India (Assam and Arunachal Pradesh) and you should add Bangladesh to your comment as this project would affect it the most (among nations, not regions)
Not necessarily, the Himalayas have always prevented large scale military confrontation between China and India, even with all of our modern technology crossing them still is a logistical hell. Therefore I don't see how they could even engage in a devastating conventional war. A more scaring thought is that they both possess nuclear weapons... well I guess that if China and India nuked each other a lot of the world's problems would suddenly resolve themselves (Maybe a Nuclear Winter solves Climate Change?).
@@pascalausensi9592
That's moronic.
@@narsimhas1360 sorry my mistake
If it starts in Ethiopia then it's Ethiopia's
Yes it’s start from Ethiopia 100%
No its all africians
@@thedarkguy2315 FUCK YOU
If it starts in China 'Mekong River' it is already affecting many countries China's water War.
play games! No it comes from our land 🥰
European colonisers settling Australia placed dams and weirs along many of Australia's main rivers, like the Murray. Like what you've described here, these rivers worked on a drought and flood cycle, spending some of the year completely dry, and other parts bursting their banks.
This was inconvenient to European-style farming practices, so they modified the river to their needs, normalising it's flow year round.
We now are beginning to understand the deep ecological damage this has caused. The flora and fauna of the regions affected had evolved to live with this.
Kangaroo populations exploded, causing overgrazing and subsequent famine. We have a government-mandated culling program to stop this.
Giant Redgum trees, reliant on the flood cycle for water line the banks, dead or dying. Rivers are full of introduced European Carp, causing further damage.
I'm no ecologist, and my understanding of the topic is pretty shallow, but I wonder if this dam may be ushering in a similar series of environmental problems. They may manifest subtly in 10, or 50 years, but it's something to watch.
In the US we had Beavers creating millions of small ponds and lakes. They did a great job regulating the flow of the rivers. But we killed off most of the Beavers and put in our own giant dams. So what you describe is also happening in the US..
This vid hit me hard. I was listening to it while taking my 2nd shower of the day. Made me think
Hmmmmm
Immortan Joe:
Do not, my friends, become addicted to water. It will take hold of you, and you will resent its absence!
I reckon you should go to Tasmania in a future video, you could talk about animals it has lost/losing and how the native people are completely gone. If you do go late spring as its really nice.
If I could afford Australian prices! I planned to go last year, but had to swap out for Cambodia when it became clear this was so expensive.
that photographer/camera person 📹 needs a $$ raise !
Once the reserve is full the river will continue to flow as always.
Best series on CZcams. Videos on mother Africa are too rare.
Checkout the videos of farmers in s/Africa.It;s eye opening.They're being murdered in their own homes.
3:37 I'd sure like to know what that tree is pointing at.
This problem can be solved with politics. I remember during a terrible drought in the US the states of Alabama and Georgia were bickering over water rights to a river. It was solved through deplomacy. Why can't these countries do the same?
How that turn out?
Did Alabama invade Georgia and lose the war, claim they had a right to 85% of the water from Georgia and then claimed Georgia cannot build or develop or else Alabama invade it. Taht is why no diplomacy can work.
They have a right to build it but must share it's life with those downstream.✌️☮️🇺🇸
Yea men we do they waste so many water trust me our people are dying from thrust and have no electricity mothers have to carry large woods on their back who are 60yo their back is bent and distorted egypt knows even after the dam is built the water will flow has always trust me its like they don't want us to become a rich country they invaded us in 1876 and 1877 whicn in both wars they lost they even had European war strategists and invaded many of our lands finally they invaded afar region where they lost and no one survived the afars beat them our emperor called for peace but they ignored it so he mobilized his army and won in 1876 again they still tried to invade this time they lost for good. They just hate us and if they start a war they will lose yea they have better technology but don't forget in 1876 and 1877 they had better army and had European support and still lost and most africa countries are on our side because they know the truth and even if egypt destroy the dam they are gonna get flooded as well and u can see their unfairness when god punished them, god is on our side they say we don't have enought water but they were flooded two times this shows u that this isn't about the water its about them trying to weaken our nation.
Perfectly timed video. I was literally reading about the two Aswan dams yesterday. Get out of my head!
As an engineer, it could be a real smart idea, it could lead overall benefits for all on the river, if operated properly, to control flooding and allow for opportunity for growing seasons and it should help increase trade but if used for nefarious reasons, usually along nationalist lines, we will see a slow down for everyone, spending on weapons and expensive war that will slow down trade.
they should go solar. They get a lot of sunlight and it is sustainable.
Probably bc it's quite expensive to even operate such a plant n considering the state of their country n political instability i dont think that's a viable option
Turky , Iran, Syria Iraq has built several Dams. And they still building. Why not Ethiopia?
From somalia I know how it feels egypt. They did this to our two rivers which comes from ethiopia. They built dams in ganane and shabelle rivers and now sometimes you can even play soccer on the river bed. While othertimes it floods very bad. But the way egypt is behaving is bad they think they can do what they want but it wont happen. If war breaks out all horn afric will fight you and we will see whay susan does. Either side with their brothers or side with the invadors egypt. But either way is not gonna be good for egypt.
Desalinization ... figure it out.
It's very expensive and complicated
The completion of this will surely have damning consequences
Edited because of a suggestion by Beau Daniel.
Dam right
the proper joke is
This will have damming consequences
the first first dam is too on the nose let your audience fill in the pun
@@beaudaniel1370 look at that, a video on modern world issues and proper joke ettiquete in the comments. We live in the good ole times boys!
@@harrybutz947 do you not agree that the first dam ruins the pun?
Egyptians will be screaming "God damn dammed river!"
Man, this is a tough one. Who should a person, (who has nothing to do with all this) support? Ethiopia who needs electricity or Egypt who needs the water?
You can get electricity through other means, so I'd say Egypt.
Maybe it's better for one's sanity and world peace to not have a one-sided position on a struggle between two problematic governments?
Is "a compromise that lets both sides benefit, or that at least stops either from being screwed over" an option?
Egypt has done some very dubious things with the river themselves, like insisting based on colonial era rules that they have an almost exclusive right to ALL of the waters of the nile on a historical basis, and thus preventing any other nation from using the river for anything worth noting.
I don't know, how comfortable would you be if your neighbor had full control of your water supply?
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Go Ethiopia! Build the dam already, support from East Africa.
then those country need to pay every M3 water from that DAM lol
5:15
>build the largest dam in Africa with the potential to massively flood Egypt if they open a single gate
*lEtS bLoW iT Up GuYs*
Of course Ethiopia will fight back.
Smart people think out of the box. Egypt should use red and Mediterranean see instead!
Ethiopia: "we need energy"
Wind, Solar, Nuclear, Thermal, Fossil Fuels etc.
Energy can be Obtained from many methods.
Water? Opposite.
Ah yes and ethiopia is a first world country capable of making such a large investment in a reasonable amount of time that would cost less and produce more than building the dam. What are you smoking? You think ethiopia is drowning in cash or something? Ethiopian people are lacking energy right now, not 60 years in the future when they maybe have the capital to invest in those renewables.
If both Egypt and Ethiopia are willing to sit down and sign a mutually beneficial treaty over this water issue and having it ratified in the UN, then it will be a win-win situation. Well, seems that the ball is in Ethiopia's court now. How they kick it will determine the future of the region.
Ethiopians have been kicking the ball since the begging of the world. Egypt tries to intercept, Ethiopia deafets Egypt in a war and this has been going on for thousands of years.
The solution is to get on board with the new nuke technology using molten salt reactors. They can use unarnium's weak sister Thorium which has no proliferation risk, is plentiful and cheap all over the world, can consume old nuke waste, is inherently safe and could be way cheaper than anything else if someone would take the lead and finished the R&D that proved back in the 50's-60's that this will work. Cheap enough to use for water desalination, fertilizer production and many other industrial processes. Small enough and safe enough to set up all over the world as a modular system that can be fabricated in factories. They run at standard pressure - so can't explode and have a different decay chain than uranium that doesn't produce plutonium and the other nasty highly radioactive actinides. And the mineral Thorium is currently a waste bi-product of mining for the "rare earth" minerals used for magnets etc... What's not to like?
Probably that it might work too well. There's already likely to be a global shift in power relations around the world if we move permanently onto renewables. Nothing more threatening to empires like the US than the one banana republic of a resource (in their case, oil) becoming no longer economically viable and possibly even damaging as every other country eventually executes their own Green New Deal and doesn't want to buy it anymore. Oil will run out eventually, no matter what the climate situation. Countries will have to change to something. Thorium could bring about another modern renaissance, but it'll also make war unprofitable and harder to justify politically. Corps, politicians, and similar big institutions alike prefer scarcity to keep people in check, before making off with all the money from what I can see. The more popular factor just be its association with nuclear technology and people don't want another Fukushima built on their doorstep.
Ethipoians would rather slam concrete in water than work.
@@kp5602 Ethiopians already have the Nile though. It's the Egyptians who are going to die of thirst if they don't get to work on those desalination plants.
@@keeganmoonshine7183
Or maybe you shouldnt store water in the dam in 3 years and store it in 5-7 years to minimize the water reduction?
You can only desalinate so much, the red sea is already the saltiest large body of water in the world.
Whats more important to human survival?
Water? Or Electricity?
We're seeing this exact same problem today, with Brazil's Amazon that the rest of us rely on.
No you are not. Brazil has far better conservation efforts than any other western nation. AS a matter of fact. 60% of the whole amazon are national parks or native territories which cannot be explored by law. The region is also sparsely populated so polution isn't a problem either for now.
Foreigners want a piece of the amazon because of the resources it has there,the biodiversity there which could become all sorts of products, like like how a Japanese company tried to trademark our Cupuaçu.When they don't want the biodiversity,they want the mineral diversity,since there are deposits of metals like Niobium,Uranium,Gold,Aluminum and many others.
BTW,the Amazon Forest isn't even the lung of the world. Thank phytoplankton for your oxygen, they are more numerous and more efficient than any tree in the world. BTW, there was once a tropical rainforest even bigger than the amazon in southeast asia, and nobody is arguing with them despite their destruction of their forest.
You spelt murder wrong.
I live in Southern California and been to the Colorado river a lot and this reminds me a lot of how we damned the Colorado without caring about mexico
Spelt = grain, Spelled = past tense of spelling
Edit: I was wrong, my bad.
@@ReaperUnreal Spelt is a perfectly acceptable way of writing it. Spelled is merely another (predominantly American) variation.
@@RareEarthSeries Had no idea, thanks.
@@ReaperUnreal spelled looks damn weird
Yep. Really the only two distinctions is that it wasn't /as/ central to Mexico as the Nile is to Egypt, though still important... and of course the big one, the Mexican military doesn't dwarf the US one. It's the other way around. Thus, the very different result (our dam wasn't stopped and won't be). That's how international politics be sometimes. Often, actually. Depressingly often.
Something similar occurred in the SW US. The Colorado river flows through several states, and Arizona and California need that water. Allotments were allocated to give each state
a share, and probably that is what Ethiopia should do to reduce the risk of war over water.
Gonna tell my psycho-ex the same thang... I'm not your biggest problem, THIRST is.
Zambezi river has 2 dams along its course. Kariba in Zimbabwe and Cabora Bassa in Mozambique. Theres absolutely no need to fight over this
The Egyptians lost this argument when they nationalized the Suez Canal. And radical groups can't destroy a massive dam. For that matter, cutting off water downstream doesn't even require that much of a dam, so that would be a very dangerous game to play, especially given Egypt's own political instability.
@@user-pi4su6je8p The Copts would not agree that Egypt is ethnically cohesive. It is true that Arab Muslims are ethnically and politically dominant in Egypt.
you're very ignorant.
Both the Copts and the Egyptian Arabs are the same ethnicity and no one can tell the other apart in Egypt. They are both mixed with everything under the sun.
Desalination should be given far more importance than it gets right now.
I believe there is a typo at 6:42, it was “murde” instead of “murder”
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If they build a dam, in a desert country, you know what that means?
BATTLE FOR HOOVER DAM.
*Intense NCR noise*
That opening shot was dope
BTW You are already in East Africa when are you coming to Kenya and would you like to learn about one of precolonial democracies even if we were classified as uncivilized humans? Please find the Meru of Kenya and I will be glad to guide you hear.....
I dont think he's interested
@@norgepalm7315 I don't think you speak for anyone
@@themac9677 I dont think you speak for anyone
@@themac9677 Stop smoking that sh"t.The jenkum is messing your mind up.
Hii ni ya nini sasa?
To our ethopians brothers and sisters. We dont want war we just dont want to be flooded. The argument is about the time for the dam to be filled so we dont get flooded. You have a right to build anything on your land. We just negotiation to be fair.
Don’t understand where is the problem? To build a dam you need to retain sartén amount of water to fill up the reserve required for the project. But after the river will continue its flow down as normal
Damn right, the water wars are beginning.
If there is war between Ethiopia and Egypt... come on now.... learn from Italy at Adwa battle.
፨Ethiopia won Italy at Ethiopian land battle.
፨Between Ethiopia and Egypt, the war will be in *Ethiopia land* and you know... Obviously Ethiopia will win.
Because, trust me, each individual will participate. War in Ethiopia is not for Soldiers, learn from History @ Adwa battle. Everyone fought then won. Well... history will repeat it self.
፨War is not the answer, but scientific negotiation is the judge on the table.
You welcome.
You have to understand why Ethiopia won against Italy. The Italians were fighting so they can have an empire, while the Ethiopians were fighting for their lives and sovereignty. However, this time, it will be Egyptians fighting for their lives while Ethiopians fighting so their government elite can have electricity and a bargaining chip over Sudan and Egypt. Your average Ethiopian would have nothing to gain or lose, but your average Egyptian has everything to lose. Egyptians, like all human, will fight to the death when put in a situation like this, because if they do nothing, they perish.
my Hero,Yes U'r Right.
Eagle J. What makes u think Ethiopia is not fighting for her life? This is our life. Many lakes are drying up. Our population is increasing. Our people barely eat a single meal a day while egyptians enjoy more thsn 3 meals. Egypt might be fighting for single meal that she might miss but Ethiopia will be fighting for a future where her people will get to eat anything at all. We won with italy because God was on our side. Even its amazing how Ethiopia became one country just before italy came while for centuries Ethiopia was fragmented into nations that could not hold on if itsly had attacked just 5 years prior. We will fight for the future of our people so they get to have a proper meal
@@disciplineiskey9178 Ethiopia isn't building a dam for water, they are building it for electricity and geopolitical power. Poor Ethiopians won't gain anything from this, only the wealthy political elite will have access to the electricity and the power it grants over other countries like Sudan and Egypt. If Ethiopia builds that dam, they will have the power to destroy the entire nation of Egypt with a push of a button. Egypt is not fighting for a single meal, as everything in their country depends on the Nile River. If Ethiopia dries it up, there will be no Egypt left. You are a horrible person, blinded by nationalism, to try to justify starving millions and destroying a huge part of the environment of Africa so the wealthiest of those in Ethiopia can have cheaper electricity.
Why Egypt and Ethiopia wouldn’t invest in the solar energy together? It’s much efficient now mostly because of the new German technologies, and they have sun all over there. Invest together, use together, profit together
5:00 10 youtubers ksi was afraid to box. No 1.....
Plz respond
Off screen he TKO'd me
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We are learning this at school for my humanities and social science subject and I’m quite interested! We are writing about it for our homework
Egypt is too greedy. They got plenty of water on their coast. They can desalinate all the water they need. They can upgrade their canal so they won't need flood water. Ethiopia is landlocked. Rain is all the water they got. People died from the flood. They don't got enough power.
You cant used salt water for farming and drinking, there is a reason why farming is base on river water.
@@khanhnguyen-tt3ff Desalination. It is drinkable. You realize Algeria, Libya have no nile, no major river and still survive by desalination
@@hernandayolearyallda lol desalination cost 2000 dollar per acre foot, plus most of the nation you mention don't have a much farm land compare to Egypt. Plus desalination barely work as it is now
@@khanhnguyen-tt3ff Those are old numbers from usa, cheaper in the developing world because lower wages. Algeria has 43 + desal plants on the way!
"The water produced by desalination cost just a third of what it did in the 1990s. Sorek plant can produce a thousand litres of drinking water for 58 cents. Israeli households pay $30 a month for their water similar to households in most of US cities and far less than Las Vegas ($47) or Los Angeles ($58)"
Israeli is desal water, cheaper than piped in water. only 58 cents a thousand litres.
"According to DAE, on an average, the cost of conversion of seawater into desalinated water is about 10 paise per litre of water produced."
This is 10 % of a rupee, or less than 1 cent a litre!
me: i've got 2 exams in the next 4 days
brain: let's watch a video about a dam that could cause a war between 2 countries that you probably don't care about
beautiful episode! good luck ethiopia
Its seems like luck has always been on the side of Ethiopia my friend, this altercation has been going on for thousands of years, but Egypt never won a single battle
As an Egyptian, Im not worried about water because either way the problem will be solved Ethiopia will have to pick which outcome they want, filling the dam in a period of 15 years or the bombing of their 4billion $ dam
@Yousesef Orange and Egypt will have to pick which outcome they want, mind their own business, or deal with 46 other African countries and the African Diaspora, because you can bet this. If Egypt dared bomb the damn, or bombed Ethiopia, you can bet all military aide from the US would cease, along with possibly millions of African Americans clamoring to come to Ethiopia's aide. Pick your poison?
mike askme bruh african countries are weak asf and they wont even want to enter a fight due to their circumstances plus egypt has the whole middle east with them which is required by islam so goodluck ethiopia
@@youssefarafa2812 yeah sure, African countries wont fight okay, keep telling yourself that. Oh and while we are on the war thing, how many times has Egypt been invaded, colonized and used and how many times has Ethiopia been invaded conquered and colonized? Once you answer this question come back and as far as the Islamic world, fuck that Bullshit Ethiopia has the Sub-Saharan African countries, plus those in the diaspora in ever western country ask yourself who wins.
@@mikeaskme3530 who got involved in the slave trade? plus egypt was getting invaded due to its geographical location which holds the connection between the mediterean and the red sea so thats why it was getting plus who would want to invade a poor african country which has no value?
Oh no. Not war, terrorism, and murde!
Kinda failed to mention that the biggest issue it's just filling up the reservoir , not its operation. More precisely the rate at it will be filled.
If you stop the flow of the river it may be filled very quickly, if you only take part of the discharge it may take many years but there will be less of an impact downstream. It is projected it will take between 5 to 15 years to fill it depending on the rate, which is the main discussion point between the countries involved. After the reservoir is full and the dam is operational there should be little to no consequences downstream.
Also, most of the negotiations involve economic compensation from the Ethiopian government to those affected by the decreased discharge of the river during the filling process, there is no risk of mass starvation or huge economic collapse as stated, they are really just leveraging the numbers.
@@alloy299 Ethiopian not paying anyone downstream compensation, actually it is the Egyptians who need to pay Ethiopia for selling them water.
Egypt has been trying to demolish and destabilise the security and economy of Ethiopia for centuries for the sake of our blue Nile. They built Aswan dam and do whatever they want , however, Ethiopia struggling with poverty and drought and famine due to lack of water. Does building a dam on our own water and filling the dam little by little create any problem?
God bless Ethiopia!!!
Do you think that a country the size of Egypt has been subjected to internal violence over the past 8 years Interested in matters related to Ethiopiapia !? Or the affairs of any country outside its borders !!>???
Don't say nonsense
all facts
Ethiopia is about to build the biggest dam? Its building already, been almost 10 years and its now 71% completed...
Why 71% lmao is there like a big screen in ethopia that says the percentage of the building of the dam? When it reaches 100% be waiting for a bomb m8
Dam finished this summer ! ! ! !
Love the video! And with the pressure (hydroelectric pun not intended upon re-reading) Ethiopia knows it's under I think they'll be very hesitant to use the damn in a way that harms Egypt but time will tell. That said it does not stop extremists that may have interests aligned with Egypt from doing their own thing, but I doubt Ethiopia will not make it very hard for them.
Are you kidding? Ethiopia was already threatened on several occasions even before they started building the dam. Ethiopia had gone out of his way to build an alliance with other Nile Nations and develop a water sharing agreement among them to which Egypt was invited but refused citing their so-called historic rights which is in reference to some obsolete agreements sign with Sudan and Britain in the earlier part of the twentieth century which by the way Ethiopia never signed. With that in mind Ethiopia knows that is under no legal obligation to Egypt. However Ethiopia has been more than cordial with Egypt and trying to work out an agreement. If the feeling time of the reservoir to the dam can be worked out I think everybody can be happy.
7- Egypt has red sea
You could desalination water from the ocean
Thoughtful episode as always, but my point is more pedantic. Murder is misspelled in the end credit. The final R had disappeared, presumably after being murdered. Do I get a prize for spotting the deliberate mistake?
Yes. The prize is one (1) pat on the back, deliverable upon happenstance meeting.
@@RareEarthSeriesYay!!!
Turkey and Iran are doing the same thing with the eufraat and the tigris. They build so many dams, restricting the flow of water so much, that in the summer, the sea even goes inlands in Iraq
You said for Sudan and Egypt the Nile couldn't be more important, Your comment resonate the colonial treaty which did not included Ethiopia . The Nile is just as important for Ethiopians. Ethiopia has every right to use their own resources. Egypt should find other ways of meeting their country's water need.
Generating electricity from the Nile water by Ethiopia does non harm the quantity and quality of the water flow to Sudan and Egypt. Unless it is politicized as Ethiopia controls the water flow to control Sudan and Egypt, using the water for electricity by Ethiopia and for other purposes by Sudan and Egypt is a win win solution. So the solution is cooperation in good faith, not war.
Have they learnt NOTHING from Egypt and the Aswan dam?! *facepalm*
Are you referring to a particular drawback? Despite a few negative side effects, the Aswan dam looks like a success story to me.
@@herbybey7698 The enormous amounts of money needed to clear the thing regularly of silt is a huge drawback. It costs a LOT, sadly...
Michael Berthelsen Any large infrastructure construction needs regular maintenance. That dam _is_ a great example of a very successful project from an engineering standpoint. Its geopolitical implications are another matter. I don't know what it was specifically you were facepalming, surely it cannot be how they handle maintenance? Can you please clarify?
Egypt should help Ethiopia buy oil and maybe solar power. After all, Egypt is building one of the largest solar power stations in the world. It sounds only fair if they exchange some electricity with Ethiopia to help them acquire the energy they need, while at the same time saving the Nile.