I don't know why so many people have to nitpick everything about this great series. It's historically pretty accurate, it's entertaining, the costumes and sets are very good but like anything else, it's not perfect. It's far, far superior than anything historical they can churn out these days though, that's for sure.
Nowadays, they'd be tempted to butcher the story, to make it more appealing to a modern audience. They actually kept this quite accurate, even though it's low budget by today's standards. It's held up very well, I think.
Without a doubt if the series was made today the focus would be on his sex life. This series doesn't ignore his adultery but it's not obsessed with it either.
To those who are watching the series "The Crown". Princess Dagmar, "Minnie" as she was called by the family, the mother of the doomed Tsar Nicholas II, seen in this episode as a young newly-married woman, is played by Jane Lapotaire, the same actress who played Prince Philip's sainted mother Princess Alice on "The Crown".
Not only that, but a young Charles Dance who appears later in this series as Prince Eddy, plays alongside Jane Lapotaire as Princess Alice’s brother, Lord Mountbatten.
How lovely to be able to hear the actors enunciate every single word without loud music making conversations inaudible!! Thank you for showing this program 😊
I'm sure many who watch this remember when T.V was alive. Even the logos & music of the company's involved makes me nostalgic (& I'm not that old) Great series.
@@seltaeb9691 'racially spiked' ... what a nasty term. I think the word you're looking for is representation and advertising which resembles the world we live in.
@@t.p.mckenna they represent only 5% of the population but on TV it's like 75%. It's not a nasty term, it's how it works & program makers are now forced to include racially themed storylines. One drama had Henry VIII Anne Boleyn as a black women.
@@Furienna Well, she also blamed Bertie for Albert's death. However, the strained relationship meant that Bertie more or less had to train himself for his duties as sovereign.
@@Furienna She was odious, even to her beloved husband. She was famous for her hysterical tantrums and her selfishness in not letting her younger daughter marry because she wanted to keep her on as an unpaid secretary and she worked her into the ground.....at her beck and call 24/7/ She was a cold cruel mother who resented all her children until she realized she could use them all politically and personally. She bombarded her eldest newly married daughter Vicky with so many letters and demands that it interfered with Vicky's duties in Germany and their govt had to ask Victoria to desist. And she and Albert were terrible parents to Bertie. I'm not surprised he rebelled. But mainly she wouldn't give him any official duties because she was jealous of his popularity. She could be very petty.
I adore Queen Victoria as the angry disappointed mother. the one who said she would never look at bertie without shuddering. I certainly am happy she was not my mother.
There is a similar series called "The Fall of Eagles" which follows the start, ending of World War I, and the downfall of the Russian, German, and Austrian monarchies. You may see a few familiar faces as many of the actors became well known for other roles later on.
This series including a lot of the small events that not too many people know of but it’s true. The tea scene with Queen Victoria and little Prince George about 1867, was real and little Georgy was sent under the table and appeared topless and had to be rush out by one of his aunt. This little boy was the grandfather of our current Queen Elizabeth II.
this queen, she asked princess Alexandra to be able to separate her feelings from her duty but she herself chose not to appear in public because of her personal feelings after prince Albert deceased.
All of Alexandra's children were born premature, although some historians believe that she was deliberately misleading Victoria so as not to have her present at the births.
That's very unlikely. She as a woman cannot control the timing of her births and royal births are always under heavy scrutiny by the physicians in days and hours for the anticipated time of birth and nobody in the team of royal physicians would dare to deliberately give the queen false data.
Daniel Jr Yes that's probably true also. However, as an anticipated mother of a future heir to the throne, she is expected, and perhaps even required, to immediately report any change on her cycle to her team of royal physicians because a royal birth always has to be carefully and accurately monitored. It's not appreciated from her to report her pregnancy too lately. I think her premature deliveries were really genuine ones. The queen would definitely not tolerate being deliberately misled more than once.
Probably yes ... According to your scenario, there is no way to prove whether the child was born in full term or prematurely, and if premature, by how long. So, Alexandra was able to mislead the queen about the dates of delivery. I didn't know that children can be born premature by (months)! I simply thought premature labor happens in a matter of days or in maximum, one or two weeks ...
Victoria wanted to name all of the children. She wanted them to have Albert or Victoria in their names. Wonder if Alexandra actually was trying to mislead Victoria when it came to the births of her children?
Yes she was a Tyrant and a Spoilt little Brat who wanted her Cake and eat it and when Prince Albert died on Saturday December 14th 1861 she should have abdicated in Favour of her Son the Prince of Wales and when the old old old Bat sorry Queen died on Tuesday January 22nd 1901 and the Prince of Wales became H.M King Edward V11 he More than Proved that he was worthy of the Job and he also knew what his Nephew Kaiser Willhelm the 2nd of Germany was like and his fears were well founded as just four Years after his Death World war one broke out and after 1918 with the end of that war and Kaiser fled into exile and lived in Poverty till he died in 1941 I for one had no Sympathy for him
A tyrant in her own family, maybe. But in terms of governing the country her withdrawal from public basically surrendered any power of the monarchy to the government
A tyrant? I don't think so. Parliament by the people of the people rules. The monarch is purely a figurehead to hang things under like titles, privilege & honours like earning a VC for going up & down the garden with your Zimmer frame.
I also can imagine that look @35:41 when Charles faced her over Camilla and His hate for Diana apparently CAMILLA wasn’t ROYAL BLOOD ENOUGH... hardly surprising she was the Granddaughter of MRS ALICE KEPPLE aka one of Edwards mistresses Ironic isn’t it !
"He should never have gotten mixed up with Louis Napoleon." I doubt she ever said that. She and Albert were great friends with Napoleon III and his wife, Eugenie, and friendship that survived their exile in England.
@@canalesworks1247 Indeed. This drama series did have some of the very best British actors of the age; Sir John Gielgud, Sir Michael Hordern, Robert Hardy, Timothy West, Michael Byrne, Charles Dance, Andre Morell, Derek Fowldes, Richard Vernon, Sir Harry Andrews, etc, etc. This was made at a time when both ITV and the BBC produced some really great costume/historical dramas. Sadly, something they are no longer capable of....
Not only is this a splendid serial, but it's a great lesson in modern history. All my memories on the subject are coming back to me as names and situations are mentioned throughout the dialogue. I was in Grammar school in the early 70's and MH was part of our curriculum; it has remained one of my favourite topics ever since.
I am afraid I have to disagree. i am not sure if this is a good impersonation of QV.. I think the Queen was a hearty person and less severe than showed here.
29:51 It’s ironic Alix and Bertie said the Queen was hard on little Georgie (later George V) because George grew up to be a harsh father and one of his children, Albert (later George VI), became shy and had a stammering problem which he never fully overcame.
Actually Helena was the plainest of Queen Victoria’s daughters and she was very pleased to marry Prince Christian. The marriage was an extremely happy one
Alexandra was SUPER faithful to Edward and I do believe he loved her but was angry that his marriage was one that was arranged and he had no decision in it which is why he messed around poor Alex was just caught in the middle.
@@mscott3918 No way. Alexandra's Christian faith was the mainstay of her life and although there's no doubt that she enjoyed the devoted attentions she received from men in her life like Oliver Montague, she would have found it unthinkable to have had an intimate relationship with any of them.
He was a randy, privileged man with a chronically ill and/or pregnant wife and no reason not to indulge his predilections. I don’t think it goes much deeper than that. Not a terrible man, but not a great husband, for sure.
...never got to watch the whole thing, in spite of our history class...too much homework. How nice to be able to enjoy the whole thing, now. Thank you for posting!
Unfortunately she could only play a old Victoria as Annette Crosbie played her from a skittish young woman to a near centurion. That takes acting with respect to Dame Judi of course.
Alexander III was a tyrant and a giant. Empress Dagmar, Minnie, Marie, Maria, was universally adored. They were a very successful couple given the circumstances. Nicholas and Alexandra were a big come down.
That's because him and his wife were not to overly thrilled with Princess Alix of Hesse when they learn that Nicholas wanted to marry her. They thought that she was too cold and too aloof.
@@LynxSouth Why have you picked Richard Lawson up on his comment? We would still, in English, all pronounce it the same, "ZAR". I am presuming he picked up on nicecatholicgirl's spelling (Czar) in her comment. Whether he/she was being condescending about the spelling or ignorant to the fact we use both it doesn't detract from a nice bit of trivia. Seeing that we pinched both spellings (Why don't we call him "King" Nicholas) pronunciation does play a role. We don't pronounce the french word bouquet "Bucket" or the Spanish word mosquito "Mosq U ito" CZAR is indeed, as he pointed out, based on the Polish version as they had their own Tsar/Czar. TSAR is directly taken from the Russian, so, as a point of order, seeing that the reference is to Nicholas II of RUSSIA, Tsar would be the most logical and appropriate spelling to use irrespective of pronunciation don't you think? There now, I've made a bigger mountain out of a mole hill than you two. I don't really give a damn about either, but I was bored when I saw this ;-)))
She was a very greedy woman, especially with food (jewels and her status as queen, too). She ate very, very quickly. Of course, the instant she finished, the staff took everybody's plate away and most people hadn't finished. There is a story that a visitor to Balmoral grabbed his half-eaten plate back, with the words 'Give that back, I haven't finished.' Victoria was, by all accounts, very amused.
Her affection for John Brown was owed to humor. He talked to her in crass, even disrespectful manners-which actually amused her, because he talked to everyone like that.
Cinco de mayo is not Mexican independence day, I don't know why many Americans make that assumption and then get mad when foreigners make assumptions that Americans are stupid.
44:05 Alice really did say that there was no such thing as providence to the Countess of Macclesfield during Bertie's illness. But her freethinking experiment was short lived and she was by the end of her life as straight laced and conventional a protestant as she was raised. Alice was thought to be charming by Lady Mac at first but she soon wore out her welcome as she took over the care and household of her brother putting the princess of wales on the sidelines. Ironically Alice herself dies 7 years to the day after Bertie's crisis passes.
I was surprised the Lady Mordaunt affair was so quickly glossed over in a matter of minutes. It would have made for great drama. An opportunity missed.
I am not surprised she ,Victoria wss like this ,She had been controlled from her childhood. She was subjugated ro harsh Discipline, She hated her mother,s Secretary he was determined to control her, she was diarist and Artist when she became Queen , She banned her mother from Buckingham Palace I imagine her freedom went to her head Albert was sometimes the brunt of her temper. This temper is all,the way down the line to George n fifth his son George the Sixth
Here are some highlights of this episode (rrr= trilled r): 6:39: Mr. Disraeli agrees with _me_. You will _only_ be fully trusted when you have learned to be discreet! You _fill_ your days with _mindless_ amusement and _frrrivolous_ conversation! 6:49: And, do you know _why_, Mama? I have nothing else to do! Oh, people want to _see_ me, because I'm your son! But I can't _talk_ to them seriously, because if I _did_, they'd find out within minutes that I know less than any clerk in the Government.
When I watched this series right through for the first time I was enthralled just watching it for entertainment. Now having lived at the same time as The Crown I find it all much more thought provoking. Very much more thought provoking at the human, moral. Class and county expectations etc. Still find this at sufficient remove to relax into its entertainment at the same time whereas I cannot bring myself to watch "The Crown"
Even by today's standards Edward's escapades were highly embarrassing & ill judged. His mother's uncles were highly unpopular, selfish & wasteful, preferring a life of mistresses, gambling etc etc. One (The Duke of Cumberland) was even suspected of killing his own valet & there was also a rumour of an unhealthy relationship with his own sister, Princess Sophia. Against this disturbing background Victoria & Albert had to clean things up. Her anger with Edward is perhaps therefore more understandable.
@@kernowoggie The whole family was cursed with low intelligence. Quite like the Habsburgs, Romanovs and Hohenzollerns. They all started out as highly intelligent in their early generations, and became progressively dumber; probably due to accumulating inbreeding.
The old bat sucked as a parent, and I do not get why she was so adamant about denying the Prince any duties of any kind. Was she jealous of his popularity with the people? Or did she still believe he was to blame for his father's death?
Maybe it comes from the scathing accounts from other members in the family, so they went with the idea of it being a bad match... I'm sure I read too that Helena was happy. Any opportunity to be out of Victoria's firing line
Ben Robbins But Edward did back stab his nephew the Kaiser. The Kaiser was right about Edward the encircling Germany. If Russia and Germany had stayed in an alliance WWI would never have happened. Then there would have been no Hitler. BTW Schleswig-Holstein was predominantly German and is still German and Queen Alexandra's parents were both German so why the hatred for Germany.
+JohntheHistorian Because the "Blut und Eisen Politik" of Bismarck deprived a great deal of her relatives from their states by unrightful annexions. It was not only about Schleswig-Holstein. Plus it was not hatred of Germany but a hatred of all things prussian.
+123pailin Schleswig-Holstein was predominantly German and still belongs to Germany. There are both German and Danish minorities in both countries. Alexander II was very pro-German and refused to help Napoleon III. Alexander III was a hen-pecked husband.
Timothy West played Bertie beginning with the previous episode. These miniseries where one performer is playing a character over many decades (in order to get a consistent performance) are tricky. Particularly in the case of female characters, one must cast a young performer, then gradually add to the makeup as the character ages. There was only a 13-year difference in age between the performers playing Queen Victoria and her grandson Kaiser Wilhelm. It was relatively easy with Helen Ryan since Queen Alexandra retained a youthful appearance until Edward's death.
Howard Glen Thankyou for your imput. although in many of the old series even the male characters (actors) aged e.g. Pallisers, Forsyte Saga (the original B&W). The sudden shift in Edward was when there wasn't much of a difference in age between the one episode and the next. Cheers Joe
If you look at the real Bertie he started changing a lot but I think mostly they just wanted to start using the fabulous Timothy West as soon as possible.
Now Alexandra, she KNEW what it meant to be Princess of Wales. Showed up at that theater, making their "togetherness" public - then decamped with the children to Denmark. I KNOW it was a different era - but honestly, things aren't all that different. I loved Diana - but she should have taken her cue from Alexandra. It may be hypocritical, preserving a "public" image, but truly, in the face of a philandering, unfaithful spouse, THAT is the way to keep a Monarchy.
***** How very simplistiic. I too once thought Diana should have kept the status quo, but this is not the same time as Queen Victoria, and Prince Edward. Women had no value then, and no control over any money they may have had. Alexandra had no choice; Diana did. As she said, 3 in the bed are too many, and Camilla had been in Charles' bed before and after the marriage.
+Linda Jewell And Diana knew it right from the beginning that despite getting married she would be other woman. She knew that Charles did not love her and I wonder what her reasons were. Maybe she had a crush on him, maybe she married the status, noone will ever know. That her choice was a tragic one is undeniable and that she was too young and could not cope, too. But when she set out to harm him she became a formidable war machine, something noone had forseen or could image from "sweet Diana". She taught that arrogant, disconnected from reality man called Charles a lesson or two....but she herself was not without fault. Anyway it is history....
Diana had a very middle class morality. Alexandra was born a princess. She accepted the rules and the hypocrisy no matter how much it broke her heart. Above all else, she kept her mouth shut as did all of Edward's mistresses. Plus, Diana was mentally ill. I think she really suffered from borderline personality disorder.
Queen Victoria was not comparable to Queen Elizabeth II. Even after the death of her husband, after 70 years of marriage, and facing cancer, she continue to do her duties until the day she died.
+S Kandy He's just talking about a video game set in the Victorian era. The game is Assassin's Creed syndicate and is set in Victorian London. It looks like fun.
If ever somebody deserved to be regarded as a heroine amongst a pretty rotten bunch it was Alex who put up with Bertie and his infidelity. I find the promiscuity of the upper classes utterly disgusting. One only has to compare Bertie and our present POW's private life to see the problem is still with us. Indeed, the present wife of Charles is a direct descendant of Alice Keppel, one Bertie's mistresses, who Alex allowed to be at Bertie's death bed.
Are you forgetting the many many affairs Diana had while married to the Prince of Wales? Diana was promiscuous while Charles was not. He had many girlfriends and lovers before marriage but none after his marriage until he found out about Diana's 5 year affair with Hewitt and then went back to Camilla!
Bertie was never by Alix's side when she was ill with rheumatic fever and had deep vein thrombosis. Her mother was bu her side while Bertie was w his mistress
And what's funny is that Alix showed poise and grace in the face of scandal each time Bertie cheated on her. She loved him so much, but he was to blind to see it.
Very true. Alix picked his mistresses majority of the time except the ones in Paris etc. She felt she had his children and it didn't keep him home so have your flings
Gielgud had the epic nose for the part of Disraeli but wasn’t flamboyantly dressed enough nor oleaginous enough. They were frightened of making him too jewy for modern audiences.
Alger Hiss Disraeli nose wasn’t even that big from the picture I’ve seen that are available of him. Gladstone’s nose looked bigger in my opinion from the pictures I’ve seen of him. Disraeli also stopped dressing flamboyantly by this time. He use to dress flamboyantly when he was young, but he stopped after making his first speech in parliament.
I don't know why so many people have to nitpick everything about this great series. It's historically pretty accurate, it's entertaining, the costumes and sets are very good but like anything else, it's not perfect. It's far, far superior than anything historical they can churn out these days though, that's for sure.
I have the series on dvd, stilll, I catch it on CZcams when I see it.
Nowadays, they'd be tempted to butcher the story, to make it more appealing to a modern audience. They actually kept this quite accurate, even though it's low budget by today's standards. It's held up very well, I think.
Without a doubt if the series was made today the focus would be on his sex life. This series doesn't ignore his adultery but it's not obsessed with it either.
I Love it Thanks for post
I agree!
To those who are watching the series "The Crown". Princess Dagmar, "Minnie" as she was called by the family, the mother of the doomed Tsar Nicholas II, seen in this episode as a young newly-married woman, is played by Jane Lapotaire, the same actress who played Prince Philip's sainted mother Princess Alice on "The Crown".
I was excited when I saw her on The Crown.
Just put it together in my head
Not only that, but a young Charles Dance who appears later in this series as Prince Eddy, plays alongside Jane Lapotaire as Princess Alice’s brother, Lord Mountbatten.
RIP prince Philip
She also played Eleanor of Aquitaine in "the Devil's crown". It's on CZcams.
How lovely to be able to hear the actors enunciate every single word without loud music making conversations inaudible!! Thank you for showing this program 😊
I'm sure many who watch this remember when T.V was alive. Even the logos & music of the company's involved makes me nostalgic (& I'm not that old) Great series.
Well said!
And advertising that isn't racially spiked. No doubt today's Edward VII would be cast as a black man!
@@seltaeb9691 hilarious 😃. But seriously I hope they don't racially recast HRM 🍸
@@seltaeb9691 'racially spiked' ... what a nasty term. I think the word you're looking for is representation and advertising which resembles the world we live in.
@@t.p.mckenna they represent only 5% of the population but on TV it's like 75%. It's not a nasty term, it's how it works & program makers are now forced to include racially themed storylines. One drama had Henry VIII Anne Boleyn as a black women.
Annette Crosbie is outstanding and plays the willful, odious Victoria to perfection.
YES SHE DOES LOVE IT
I don't believe that Victoria was odious. She had every right to disapprove of Bertie's behavior.
@@Furienna Well, she also blamed Bertie for Albert's death. However, the strained relationship meant that Bertie more or less had to train himself for his duties as sovereign.
Elan2017 Tee Odious? Is that really the right adjective?
@@Furienna She was odious, even to her beloved husband. She was famous for her hysterical tantrums and her selfishness in not letting her younger daughter marry because she wanted to keep her on as an unpaid secretary and she worked her into the ground.....at her beck and call 24/7/ She was a cold cruel mother who resented all her children until she realized she could use them all politically and personally. She bombarded her eldest newly married daughter Vicky with so many letters and demands that it interfered with Vicky's duties in Germany and their govt had to ask Victoria to desist. And she and Albert were terrible parents to Bertie. I'm not surprised he rebelled. But mainly she wouldn't give him any official duties because she was jealous of his popularity. She could be very petty.
Helena and Christian grew to love each other and their marriage was one of the happiest of all her 9 children.
Absolutely, yet it had so many critics beforehand!
number of children is only proof of fertility not love
They had the only marriage to reach the 50-year mark
@@marb7405, I think she was referring to Queen Victoria's 9 children. As I recall, Helena had 4 children, none of whom left descendants.
@@dianaarneson6590 one of Helena's son's did have a child but the child was born out of wed lock so I don't know if it counts?
I adore Queen Victoria as the angry disappointed mother. the one who said she would never look at bertie without shuddering. I certainly am happy she was not my mother.
I’m Filipino and I love this series❤ Great actors! I wish there would be more like this, from 1066 to today❤
There is a similar series called "The Fall of Eagles" which follows the start, ending of World War I, and the downfall of the Russian, German, and Austrian monarchies. You may see a few familiar faces as many of the actors became well known for other roles later on.
John Gielgud is a Master of Acting!!!🙌🔝☝
Indeed, an amazing impression of Michael Hordern.
Helen Ryan - what a commanding performance as Queen Alexandra.
Yes it was and the likeness was striking, especially in the later episodes. I'm surprised at some of the negative comments I've read here.
It is a wonderfully affecting performance. She repeated it in a great cameo in the film “TheElephant Man” in 1980
I think this series is something that will be watched year after year. Thank you Dee for keeping it up.
It's excellent.
"The Crown" will be where it has always belonged. IN THE TRASH.
This series including a lot of the small events that not too many people know of but it’s true. The tea scene with Queen Victoria and little Prince George about 1867, was real and little Georgy was sent under the table and appeared topless and had to be rush out by one of his aunt. This little boy was the grandfather of our current Queen Elizabeth II.
Yes. History
this queen, she asked princess Alexandra to be able to separate her feelings from her duty but she herself chose not to appear in public because of her personal feelings after prince Albert deceased.
Victoria appears to epitomize, "Do as I say and not as I do."
Victoria said “her duty to me” not “her duty”.
I watched this series when it originally broadcast. Loved it then.
Love it now........
This might be the best mini series of all time
George the little dog! Woof! Woof! And the look on Queen Victoria's face - Priceless!
All of Alexandra's children were born premature, although some historians believe that she was deliberately misleading Victoria so as not to have her present at the births.
very possible, and understanding why.
That's very unlikely. She as a woman cannot control the timing of her births and royal births are always under heavy scrutiny by the physicians in days and hours for the anticipated time of birth and nobody in the team of royal physicians would dare to deliberately give the queen false data.
Daniel Jr Yes that's probably true also. However, as an anticipated mother of a future heir to the throne, she is expected, and perhaps even required, to immediately report any change on her cycle to her team of royal physicians because a royal birth always has to be carefully and accurately monitored. It's not appreciated from her to report her pregnancy too lately. I think her premature deliveries were really genuine ones. The queen would definitely not tolerate being deliberately misled more than once.
Probably yes ... According to your scenario, there is no way to prove whether the child was born in full term or prematurely, and if premature, by how long. So, Alexandra was able to mislead the queen about the dates of delivery. I didn't know that children can be born premature by (months)! I simply thought premature labor happens in a matter of days or in maximum, one or two weeks ...
Victoria wanted to name all of the children. She wanted them to have Albert or Victoria in their names. Wonder if Alexandra actually was trying to mislead Victoria when it came to the births of her children?
The "Princess Alexandra limp" became a fashion statement with society women faking a stylish limp.
Thank you for posting these classics - looking forward to viewing the entire series today.. You're a star!
oh the way she grunts ‘nooo’ when bertie is mentioned by disraeli😭 to die for
Timothy West as Bertie is settling in with me now.
Thanks for this great series.
Queen Victoria was a tyrant. Annette Crosby plays the part brilliantly. Great period drama. Thanks
Yes she was a Tyrant and a Spoilt little Brat who wanted her Cake and eat it and when Prince Albert died on Saturday December 14th 1861 she should have abdicated in Favour of her Son the Prince of Wales and when the old old old Bat sorry Queen died on Tuesday January 22nd 1901 and the Prince of Wales became H.M King Edward V11 he More than Proved that he was worthy of the Job and he also knew what his Nephew Kaiser Willhelm the 2nd of Germany was like and his fears were well founded as just four Years after his Death World war one broke out and after 1918 with the end of that war and Kaiser fled into exile and lived in Poverty till he died in 1941 I for one had no Sympathy for him
A tyrant in her own family, maybe. But in terms of governing the country her withdrawal from public basically surrendered any power of the monarchy to the government
@@NYCZ31 Fortunately, she came out of her hiding after 10 years and resumed some public duties.
A tyrant? I don't think so. Parliament by the people of the people rules. The monarch is purely a figurehead to hang things under like titles, privilege & honours like earning a VC for going up & down the garden with your Zimmer frame.
‘Middle East’ was never used in the Victorian era. It came into usage after World War I.
Joella Z How was it referred to?
@@joanofarc33 I believe it was referred to as The Near East.
35:41. I can imagine that's the same look Queen Elizabeth gave Prince Andrew when she heard about Jeffrey Epstein
James Donnelly All that people will remember is that you have allowed yourself to be connected to a convicted peodophile........
JDhockey I wonder if he ha a bollocking as well ?
37.07 "Of course you are innocent. You have no need to tell me [sic] People delight to hear the worst of us!"
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I also can imagine that look @35:41 when Charles faced her over Camilla and
His hate for Diana apparently CAMILLA wasn’t ROYAL BLOOD ENOUGH... hardly surprising she was the Granddaughter of MRS ALICE KEPPLE aka one of Edwards mistresses Ironic isn’t it !
Thank you SOOO much for posting these classics!
"He should never have gotten mixed up with Louis Napoleon." I doubt she ever said that. She and Albert were great friends with Napoleon III and his wife, Eugenie, and friendship that survived their exile in England.
She ended up distrusting Napoleon, though (as did a lot of other people). But she and Eugenie remained friends until her (Victoria's) death.
Second time watching this superb series. Thanks for posting a very enjoyable program. You make a lonely night very enjoyable
John Gielgud is so wonderfully slimy as Disraeli 🙁
Gielgud played these kinds of characters so well. Disraeli was indeed that slippery. I also love the guy who plays Gladstone.
@@canalesworks1247 Sir Michael Hordern plays Gladstone
@@ShanePalmer-yo4og Yes. I had done some reading about him. On of Britain's great chracter actors. He's just stellar in this.
@@canalesworks1247 Indeed. This drama series did have some of the very best British actors of the age; Sir John Gielgud, Sir Michael Hordern, Robert Hardy, Timothy West, Michael Byrne, Charles Dance, Andre Morell, Derek Fowldes, Richard Vernon, Sir Harry Andrews, etc, etc. This was made at a time when both ITV and the BBC produced some really great costume/historical dramas. Sadly, something they are no longer capable of....
Very cool transition of actresses who played future Queen Alexandra.
This is brilliant. Thanks for posting this
Not only is this a splendid serial, but it's a great lesson in modern history. All my memories on the subject are coming back to me as names and situations are mentioned throughout the dialogue. I was in Grammar school in the early 70's and MH was part of our curriculum; it has remained one of my favourite topics ever since.
I've truly enjoyed this series over the years.
Such a wonderful series. I love it!
they do not make quality series like this anymore =(
Grumpy Kitten 🐱 😡 they really do
@@bojack40 They really DO NOT.
oh you better watch The Crown
And pretty truthful, too - at least fairly close to the facts of Edward VII's life
@@gabriela1490 Hardly a comparison.
Trivia: George (the kid) was recently seen in the latest incarnation of "All Creatures Great and Small," playing Sigfried.
Eddy surely? Samuel West
Annette Crosbie is one of the best actresses ever . She was the quintesstial Victoria . I DONT THINK QUEEN VICTORIA COULD HAVE DONE BETTER !!!
Liz, I agree. She's a superb Victoria!
I agree she excellent
She was also excellent as Catherine of Aragon in "The Six Wives of Henry the VIII".
I am afraid I have to disagree. i am not sure if this is a good impersonation of QV.. I think the Queen was a hearty person and less severe than showed here.
If this is an accurate portrayal of Victoria, she was a bitch on wheels.
It's a still a classic because the producers tried to make it accurate where they could instead of just saying that will do.
disraeli, the old smooth-talkin' bugger... 😆
"Everyone likes flattery; and when you come to Royalty you should lay it on with a trowel." -- Benjamin Disraeli.
Good story line and links with the natural anti Germanism of the Princess of Wales
29:51 It’s ironic Alix and Bertie said the Queen was hard on little Georgie (later George V) because George grew up to be a harsh father and one of his children, Albert (later George VI), became shy and had a stammering problem which he never fully overcame.
Most people were monstrous parents in that era. Seen and not heard.
@@martinjenkins5471 That doesn't make them monstrous parents..
Actually Helena was the plainest of Queen Victoria’s daughters and she was very pleased to marry Prince Christian. The marriage was an extremely happy one
At this point, even earlier when marrying off her children, any attempt of appointment was viewed by Victoria as an attempt to overshadow her.
So wonderful!
“I’ll give you a picture of my mother instead” lol
a gold sovereign in those days was Serious. Cash. He couldn't help her get to market but he was nevertheless generous.
0:52 I have one of those "pictures of his mother." ;-)
Thank you for sharing this great series !
Anna Wing, aka Lou Beale from the EastEnders. She lived to 98; still working at 94!
Gawd, it would bother the hell out of me to be surrounded by so many sycophants.
Alexandra was SUPER faithful to Edward and I do believe he loved her but was angry that his marriage was one that was arranged and he had no decision in it which is why he messed around poor Alex was just caught in the middle.
SkyBlue There is now a belief that she may have had an affair with the Portuguese ambassador, the Marquis de Soveral.
M Scott I think De Soveral was just her cavaliere servante. It was highly unlikely that they were actually lovers.
@@mscott3918 No way. Alexandra's Christian faith was the mainstay of her life and although there's no doubt that she enjoyed the devoted attentions she received from men in her life like Oliver Montague, she would have found it unthinkable to have had an intimate relationship with any of them.
Why woudl he be angry at what was normal practice for most upper class and royals?
He was a randy, privileged man with a chronically ill and/or pregnant wife and no reason not to indulge his predilections. I don’t think it goes much deeper than that. Not a terrible man, but not a great husband, for sure.
...never got to watch the whole thing, in spite of our history class...too much homework. How nice to be able to enjoy the whole thing, now. Thank you for posting!
i loved the series with Dame Judi Dench as queen victoria. she was the best
That's a movie Called Mrs Brown
Unfortunately she could only play a old Victoria as Annette Crosbie played her from a skittish young woman to a near centurion. That takes acting with respect to Dame Judi of course.
QV: “Woof woof??? 😂😂😂😂😂” ❤️
In the book “Nicholas and Alexandra” Czar Alexander came across as a tough guy. Here he comes across as almost a milksop.
Alexander III was a tyrant and a giant. Empress Dagmar, Minnie, Marie, Maria, was universally adored. They were a very successful couple given the circumstances. Nicholas and Alexandra were a big come down.
Besides that, it's TSAR, not CZAR. In Slavic language, CZ sounds like "CH".
That's because him and his wife were not to overly thrilled with Princess Alix of Hesse when they learn that Nicholas wanted to marry her. They thought that she was too cold and too aloof.
@@richardlawson4317 This is English, and Slavic pronunciation rules have nothing to do with it.
@@LynxSouth Why have you picked Richard Lawson up on his comment? We would still, in English, all pronounce it the same, "ZAR". I am presuming he picked up on nicecatholicgirl's spelling (Czar) in her comment. Whether he/she was being condescending about the spelling or ignorant to the fact we use both it doesn't detract from a nice bit of trivia. Seeing that we pinched both spellings (Why don't we call him "King" Nicholas) pronunciation does play a role. We don't pronounce the french word bouquet "Bucket" or the Spanish word mosquito "Mosq U ito"
CZAR is indeed, as he pointed out, based on the Polish version as they had their own Tsar/Czar. TSAR is directly taken from the Russian, so, as a point of order, seeing that the reference is to Nicholas II of RUSSIA, Tsar would be the most logical and appropriate spelling to use irrespective of pronunciation don't you think?
There now, I've made a bigger mountain out of a mole hill than you two. I don't really give a damn about either, but I was bored when I saw this ;-)))
30:40 WOOF, WOOF? I sincerely hope that this exchange actually happened. It is said Victoria could be a real treat, if you got her in a good mood.
She was a very greedy woman, especially with food (jewels and her status as queen, too). She ate very, very quickly. Of course, the instant she finished, the staff took everybody's plate away and most people hadn't finished. There is a story that a visitor to Balmoral grabbed his half-eaten plate back, with the words 'Give that back, I haven't finished.' Victoria was, by all accounts, very amused.
Her affection for John Brown was owed to humor. He talked to her in crass, even disrespectful manners-which actually amused her, because he talked to everyone like that.
@14:14. QV- The French have left Mexico?
DiSraeli: Yes ma'am, it seems that Cinco De Mayo festivities began 😅
Cinco de mayo is not Mexican independence day, I don't know why many Americans make that assumption and then get mad when foreigners make assumptions that Americans are stupid.
44:05 Alice really did say that there was no such thing as providence to the Countess of Macclesfield during Bertie's illness. But her freethinking experiment was short lived and she was by the end of her life as straight laced and conventional a protestant as she was raised. Alice was thought to be charming by Lady Mac at first but she soon wore out her welcome as she took over the care and household of her brother putting the princess of wales on the sidelines. Ironically Alice herself dies 7 years to the day after Bertie's crisis passes.
Great Queen Victoria!
24:00, the conversation turns when Alexandria will not receive the King of Prussia.
Fascinating parallels n'est ce pas?
thank you for the upload.
I was surprised the Lady Mordaunt affair was so quickly glossed over in a matter of minutes. It would have made for great drama. An opportunity missed.
Lucy lady to get a gold sovereign from the prince.
Edward put it about so much in east anglia there must be lots of his offspring about
I am not surprised she ,Victoria wss like this ,She had been controlled from her childhood. She was subjugated ro harsh Discipline, She hated her mother,s Secretary he was determined to control her, she was diarist and Artist when she became Queen , She banned her mother from Buckingham Palace I imagine her freedom went to her head Albert was sometimes the brunt of her temper. This temper is all,the way down the line to George n fifth his son George the Sixth
Here are some highlights of this episode (rrr= trilled r):
6:39: Mr. Disraeli agrees with _me_. You will _only_ be fully trusted when you have learned to be discreet! You _fill_ your days with _mindless_ amusement and _frrrivolous_ conversation!
6:49: And, do you know _why_, Mama? I have nothing else to do! Oh, people want to _see_ me, because I'm your son! But I can't _talk_ to them seriously, because if I _did_, they'd find out within minutes that I know less than any clerk in the Government.
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Mom and son argue LOL
Oh, he would of course try to defend himself. The truth is though that his mother was right about his awful behavior.
When I watched this series right through for the first time I was enthralled just watching it for entertainment.
Now having lived at the same time as The Crown I find it all much more thought provoking. Very much more thought provoking at the human, moral. Class and county expectations etc.
Still find this at sufficient remove to relax into its entertainment at the same time whereas I cannot bring myself to watch "The Crown"
.... call the doctor... for what ? they didn't have nothing in those times and often the cure was worse than the illness.
Still true in the age of Covid 19andcancer... But what else can we vulnerable humans do?
For that time, the makeup was awesome!
Hortense is Claudia from Corrie Street who is Ken Barlow's sweetie with bright red hair
I wonder if the 'picture of my mother' story is true....
Not just true, a common thing he did
@@australiaforever2290 I think that's, really sweet
All the trouble in europe was royal family arguements.
urban rider
Up till 1918. The rest was fall out.
Your ignorance is as appalling as your spelling.
So, nice
That man holds the record for shooting the most living creatures doesn't he 👈👀
Never heard of this series.
Victoria without any doubt, was extremely selfish, self observed, and all ways had to be hers.
Wk Pattison She was Queen after all. Ways of behaving were different back then! Protocol they call it.
poor me , Its my loss , my crosses to bear poor victoria
Even by today's standards Edward's escapades were highly embarrassing & ill judged. His mother's uncles were highly unpopular, selfish & wasteful, preferring a life of mistresses, gambling etc etc. One (The Duke of Cumberland) was even suspected of killing his own valet & there was also a rumour of an unhealthy relationship with his own sister, Princess Sophia. Against this disturbing background Victoria & Albert had to clean things up. Her anger with Edward is perhaps therefore more understandable.
@@kernowoggie The whole family was cursed with low intelligence. Quite like the Habsburgs, Romanovs and Hohenzollerns. They all started out as highly intelligent in their early generations, and became progressively dumber; probably due to accumulating inbreeding.
The old bat sucked as a parent, and I do not get why she was so adamant about denying the Prince any duties of any kind. Was she jealous of his popularity with the people? Or did she still believe he was to blame for his father's death?
Christian and Helena had a happy marriage according to all accounts. This is fiction.
Maybe it comes from the scathing accounts from other members in the family, so they went with the idea of it being a bad match... I'm sure I read too that Helena was happy. Any opportunity to be out of Victoria's firing line
Now, it's all murder TV dramas & documentaries of yes, murder investigations.
The lady at the start, is this Anna Wing, the future Mrs Lou Beale on EastEnders?
Yes it is.
This is superb but I just have to point out that Princess Alexandra was not ginger haired 😏
Where is beautiful Alix from the first parts?????
They picked a great victoria.
the actor that played Disraeli looks a lot like Jefferson Davis
To think Alexander III was a great nephew of William I of Prussia. Queen Victoria personally knew William I and Bismarck.
And largely kept the peace amongst her extended family.
Ben Robbins But Edward did back stab his nephew the Kaiser. The Kaiser was right about Edward the encircling Germany. If Russia and Germany had stayed in an alliance WWI would never have happened. Then there would have been no Hitler. BTW Schleswig-Holstein was predominantly German and is still German and Queen Alexandra's parents were both German so why the hatred for Germany.
Alexander II, not III. Wilhelm I's sister Charlotte married Nicholas I. Alexander II was their son, Alexander III was their grandson
+JohntheHistorian Because the "Blut und Eisen Politik" of Bismarck deprived a great deal of her relatives from their states by unrightful annexions. It was not only about Schleswig-Holstein. Plus it was not hatred of Germany but a hatred of all things prussian.
+123pailin Schleswig-Holstein was predominantly German and still belongs to Germany. There are both German and Danish minorities in both countries. Alexander II was very pro-German and refused to help Napoleon III. Alexander III was a hen-pecked husband.
why did they suddenly change the actor when there wasn't a big difference in age from one episode to the other?
Timothy West played Bertie beginning with the previous episode. These miniseries where one performer is playing a character over many decades (in order to get a consistent performance) are tricky. Particularly in the case of female characters, one must cast a young performer, then gradually add to the makeup as the character ages. There was only a 13-year difference in age between the performers playing Queen Victoria and her grandson Kaiser Wilhelm. It was relatively easy with Helen Ryan since Queen Alexandra retained a youthful appearance until Edward's death.
Howard Glen Thankyou for your imput. although in many of the old series even the male characters (actors) aged e.g. Pallisers, Forsyte Saga (the original B&W).
The sudden shift in Edward was when there wasn't much of a difference in age between the one episode and the next.
Cheers
Joe
If you look at the real Bertie he started changing a lot but I think mostly they just wanted to start using the fabulous Timothy West as soon as possible.
Now Alexandra, she KNEW what it meant to be Princess of Wales. Showed up at that theater, making their "togetherness" public - then decamped with the children to Denmark. I KNOW it was a different era - but honestly, things aren't all that different. I loved Diana - but she should have taken her cue from Alexandra. It may be hypocritical, preserving a "public" image, but truly, in the face of a philandering, unfaithful spouse, THAT is the way to keep a Monarchy.
***** How very simplistiic. I too once thought Diana should have kept the status quo, but this is not the same time as Queen Victoria, and Prince Edward. Women had no value then, and no control over any money they may have had. Alexandra had no choice; Diana did. As she said, 3 in the bed are too many, and Camilla had been in Charles' bed before and after the marriage.
+Linda Jewell And Diana knew it right from the beginning that despite getting married she would be other woman. She knew that Charles did not love her and I wonder what her reasons were. Maybe she had a crush on him, maybe she married the status, noone will ever know. That her choice was a tragic one is undeniable and that she was too young and could not cope, too. But when she set out to harm him she became a formidable war machine, something noone had forseen or could image from "sweet Diana". She taught that arrogant, disconnected from reality man called Charles a lesson or two....but she herself was not without fault. Anyway it is history....
of course they didn't
Diana had a very middle class morality. Alexandra was born a princess. She accepted the rules and the hypocrisy no matter how much it broke her heart. Above all else, she kept her mouth shut as did all of Edward's mistresses. Plus, Diana was mentally ill. I think she really suffered from borderline personality disorder.
Yep, Diana was a nut, mentally scared from a horrid family up bringing.
I'd like to have pictures of my mother in my pocket too ahahhahaha
If I may ask a question what is the point in showing 1 episode of a seriesmuch is it was a very good series it would appear to be a bit pointless
Queen Victoria was not comparable to Queen Elizabeth II. Even after the death of her husband, after 70 years of marriage, and facing cancer, she continue to do her duties until the day she died.
You can’t possibly compare 19th century Britain with the country Queen Elizabeth presided over
36:55 is great. Old Queenie poo goes apopleptic!
And sometime during 1868, Queen Victoria met the Assassins Jacob and Evie Frye and helped them defeat the Templars.
I'm sorry, did I set you off with having fun?
Yeah I definitely set something off over having fun. Lady, it's a joke. Get on with it.
+S Kandy He's just talking about a video game set in the Victorian era. The game is Assassin's Creed syndicate and is set in Victorian London. It looks like fun.
Nice.
If ever somebody deserved to be regarded as a heroine amongst a pretty rotten bunch it was Alex who put up with Bertie and his infidelity. I find the promiscuity of the upper classes utterly disgusting. One only has to compare Bertie and our present POW's private life to see the problem is still with us. Indeed, the present wife of Charles is a direct descendant of Alice Keppel, one Bertie's mistresses, who Alex allowed to be at Bertie's death bed.
Are you forgetting the many many affairs Diana had while married to the Prince of Wales? Diana was promiscuous while Charles was not. He had many girlfriends and lovers before marriage but none after his marriage until he found out about Diana's 5 year affair with Hewitt and then went back to Camilla!
Where's Alexander III's beard?
do napoleon iii and benjamin disraeli look alike?
OH LOOK the late great ANNA WING …… LOU BEALE OF EASTENDERS at the beginning amazing actress
What was the value of the gold sovereign he gave to the fish seller?
44:05, “Providence? there’s no such thing!”
Bertie was never by Alix's side when she was ill with rheumatic fever and had deep vein thrombosis. Her mother was bu her side while Bertie was w his mistress
And what's funny is that Alix showed poise and grace in the face of scandal each time Bertie cheated on her. She loved him so much, but he was to blind to see it.
Very true. Alix picked his mistresses majority of the time except the ones in Paris etc. She felt she had his children and it didn't keep him home so have your flings
Did Alix' illness cause her deafness?
@@gidzmobug2323 It was a hereditary flaw in the Danish royal family, but her illness sped it up and likely caused it to become extreme.
@@gidzmobug2323 in an earlier episode Alberts uncle leopold mentioned her mother was "intelligent but a bit deaf"
great movies should make more moovies likr that. should make mouies of king georg 6
29:30 We are not amused!
Does anybody know the song that is playing at the church?
Gielgud had the epic nose for the part of Disraeli but wasn’t flamboyantly dressed enough nor oleaginous enough. They were frightened of making him too jewy for modern audiences.
Alger Hiss
Disraeli nose wasn’t even that big from the picture I’ve seen that are available of him. Gladstone’s nose looked bigger in my opinion from the pictures I’ve seen of him. Disraeli also stopped dressing flamboyantly by this time. He use to dress flamboyantly when he was young, but he stopped after making his first speech in parliament.
Alger Hiss - Gielgud seemed a bit unprepared. I could see his eyes darting to read lines, and he appears to have just woken from a nap.