MV Mark W. Barker Refloated after Grounding on Belle Isle
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May 18, 2023
In this episode, Sal Mercogliano - maritime historian at Campbell University (@campbelledu) and former merchant mariner - discusses the grounding and refloating of the Interlake Steamship M/V Mark W. Barker off Belle Isle, Detroit on May 17, 2023.
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Sal, 60 years ago, during college I was a deckhand and coal passer on Iron ore carriers in the lakes. Thank you so much for bringing reminders of my past!
Life seems to be a long river of memories and emotions. Pretty nice to remember them. I’m grateful too.
As a college student, I did the same thing (68 years ago, not to try to outdo you) on the BH Taylor, a limestone boat out of Rogers City. What a great experience it was!
@@davidhogberg4904 my experience was in 62 and 63…
@@dmitch1177 I have wondered more than a couple of times what my life would've been like had I stayed working on the boats. I'd probably have a lot more money that I do now
Thanks for posting Sal. The museum on Belle Isle is the "Dos-sin" Great Lakes Museum. There are salt mines under Lake Erie and the largest salt mine in the world is under Lake Huron.
there is also a salt mine under the city of Detroit. The mine is mostly under the southwestern part of the city.
Oh, I thought it was under Cleveland? Or is that just the browns stadium...
Syracuse “ salt city “
@@bobmackay3414 was on a tour of the salt mines as a kid, vein runs to Cleveland under the lake if I recall correct.
The Great Lakes have always been dangerous to shipping! Im glad to see this ship made it out safely. According to the Great Lakes Shipwreck Museum, the great lakes are responsible for the loss of over 6000 ships and 30,000 people. The fresh water can cause deeper fluctuations during storms and break ships in half! Ships like the Edmund Fitzgerald.
I help build the mark barker, she was built and designed to hull multiple cargoes. From taconite pellets to huge bundles of rebar. It is also designed to hull stuff on top of its hatch covers as well if needed. It’s main cargo that it was designed for was salt. Built to withstand the corrosion of salt.
Does the Mark Barker have a double hull??
Why engine fail on such a new boat
@@ninajasmine2219 Complex machines often have something go wrong when they're new, e.g. due to a defective component or a mistake during design or assembly.
In reliability engineering it's described by the "bathtub curve".
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bathtub_curve
Lake Erie is practicaly a stone's throw aways and so is the salt mine that loaded up this big freighter...Love the great lakes shipping stories Sal!
You must have a pretty good arm to throw a stone that far!!
I have a mule and his name is Sal, 16 tons on the Erie Canal😮
Though she is quite versatile and can haul pretty much any common bulk cargo, the Mark W. Barker was built to haul Cargill salt out of Cleveland. I had heard somewhere - at the christening, maybe? - that Cargill actually assisted with the funding for the Barker.
I grew up in Buffalo NY in the 50's and 60's. Our Dad would occasionally take us to the Welland Canal to watch the lakers, and salties, transit the Canal. He would also take us to the Buffalo waterfront for the same reason. From November of '76, until June of '79 I lived in Port Huron MI and one of the things we liked to do was park under the Bluewater Bridge (there was only one bridge then) and keep track of the ships transiting the St. Clair river, in our "Know your ships" booklet. There's a LOT of maritime history on the Great Lakes, aside from the Edmund Fitzgerald, thanks for the follow-up.
I grew up outside Detroit. A favorite family day trip was a ride to Algonac, with a stop at Sid's for lunch and freighter watching. The ride continued to Port Huron, across the Blue Water Bridge, then to Windsor, either through the Tunnel or across the Ambassador Bridge.
My love of watching ships led to a career as a naval architect and marine engineer.
From the age of 4-12, I lived on Grosse Ile, Michigan. I attended Park Lane Elementary and for my last disgusting year, East River Elementary. That was the period from 1970 to 1978.
We lived on Hampton road, and I could always tell at 7 AM when I woke up if it was foggy out; The iron ore freighters would be tooting in the channel to the east of the island. Growing up there we saw them all the time, usually the front cab 500 foot boats.
It's funny this happened, because last week I was in Los Angeles trying to find something to do and I wondered if these boats still plied the Great Lakes. Apparently they do-
Great video!
Hello from Downriver! ✋🏽Southgate, to be precise.
Lovely sharing. Sorry for your having to be in the People’s Republic. Welcome back!
I’d say quick thinking by the crew minimized the potential for damage and made it easy to refloat. Picking a good spot for nosing up on the shore and getting the anchor out quickly shows they are a well trained and experienced crew. It would be interesting to know the cause of the power loss. Failure of the main engine or auxiliaries etc.
Dropping the anchor to act as a brake. Brilliant move, there was calm and experienced crew here.
The anchors are the only emergency brakes they have. Other than using reverse gear. Lol
I grew up on the big island a few miles south of Belle Isle (Grosse Ile) and used to see the ships passing all the time. There are two bridges from the island to the mainland and I remember at least one time where a lake freighter hit one of the bridges, causing substantial damage. Losing power on the Detroit River can be very dangerous, and I'm glad that whoever was piloting the vessel was able to safely ground the ship where he did. Kudos for the excellent seamanship.
Awesome information Sal! Great coverage and great to see my hometown of Windsor ON Canada on your videos 😊😊. Unfortunately I just got home from being out of town for a few days so I missed all the excitement 😂. Probably the best thing that it went aground on Belle Isle, Windsor's shore has breakwalls basically the entirety of the city and Peace Fountain Park is one of the busiest parks in Windsor so it saved a real tragedy from happening. There's never been any incident in my 63 years of any navigation issues in that area. Again Sal, thank you very much for this and the previous video on the grounding of this ship, you always provide the best information on the waterways of the world! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🥇🥇🥇🥇🥇👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I used to live in New Orleans and always found it amazing watching tug boats and push boats at work. And the pilot boats are indispensable.
Looks like a good job managing the situation by the skipper and crew.
I enjoyed Lake Superior from the Minnesota shores near the boundary waters. Mosquitoes aside, it was one of my favorite memories. I was 18. Now I’m 48.
I'm always amazed that those little tug boats can muscle around something that weighs as much as a battleship!
Actually, the battleships are pretty small compared to modern freighters and container ships
Frame of reference check:. Battleships were generally about 1000 feet long such as the USS Arizona now a monument in Oahu. This ship is 639 feet long so well short of a battleship.
@@michaeldeierhoi4096 USS Arizona 608", USS New Jersey 887', IJN Yamato 863', just sayin.
Tug boats are amazing and so are their captains, I grew up in Rotterdam harbor. Watching the ships come and go was part of our entertainment. Fun stuff!
@@navmn2 Well I stand corrected then. I'm surprised as I thought that the Arizona is much longer. It is good to be corrected. Thanks for the comment.
Great update Sal😊 just one correction Dos-sin like Dawson City Alaska.
I bet Evergreen is envious on easy this grounding worked out...
The headline should be, "Newest cargo ship on the Great Lakes runs aground from engine failure in first full-year of operation".
Love your channel. Keep it up! Best regards and wishes.
Thanks, Sal, and I hope you will continue to follow up on this! 😎✌️
Nice follow up, Sal! Very interesting to see how the operation was carried out.
Thank you for the update.
Learning a lot watching your channel. Great details and presentation, sir.
Thank You!
6:05 - Interesting example of the precision of AIS/GPS. It shows that the transmitter is on the wheelhouse, not some vague area near the boat.
and another great report
Thanks Prof. Sal
Thank you for giving us update. I hope sometime you can have an event to invite ship enthusiasts to - these comments by people who have experience are so enthusiastic and I get the impression that they would love to meet you and talk shop!
Me I don't know anything but my "thing" is I don't want war. It errodes society financially, emotionally - and I resent the Ernest Hemingway's quote:
(The word "some" is frequently left out - which changes this philosophy to purpose...eww!)
"The world breaks everyone, and afterward, some are strong at the broken places" is a powerful statement that speaks to the universal human experience of facing adversity and overcoming it.
Very good Channel
Always appreciate your videos Sal. I'm a landlocked landlubber living in Calgary but some day I hope to visit those lakes.
They're absolutely gorgeous! I've been fortunate to powerboat Lake Erie, Lake St. Clair, Lake Huron, Detroit River, St. Clair River and St. Mary's River. Some of the most beautiful scenery and some of the best fishing in the world! They have soooooo much to offer, you want to make it happen! 😊😊
It looks like a lot went right for safety reasons when something obviously went wrong.
It looked like nothing aft of the collision bulkhead went aground. So little chance anything is going to leak out.
In the Detroit area it tends to be dirt, sand, clay, and somewhere below that limestone.
Thanks Sal
The Windsor water front is mostly all parks with people. Never been to Belle Island but it is largly a park from what I understand. It is one of the cities gems really, good to go fishing walleye and perch in the spring and fall. The crew did an amazing job for something that could be alot worse, wish I could have been there to see it. Love watching the ships go by. I didnt even know this happened untill I got home and caught your videos, Thanks Sal.
Love your work, I live south end Lake Huron, this happens on the Great Lakes, skippers know they have the option of grounding the boat
thanks tor the info
Steering ships around never as easy as the Captain's make it look.
The Great Lakes are most challenging. Narrow, twisty, shallow channels in the connecting rivers and ports. Violent storms that create steep sided waves. Note that the west end of Lake Erie is so shallow that it has dredged channels. We sailed on Lake Erie for a few years, remember looking UP at waves bearing down from astern like a wall. Our boat was designed for Lake Erie, so it was OK, but scary. We never got water aboard.
Thanks!
Thank you for your support.
When I was in high school in Windsor, ON, there was the sinking of the British freighter M. V. Montrose. It had run into a barge being pulled by a tug and sank under the Ambassador Bridge on the night of July 30, 1962. That drew crowds of people to the shore and on the bridge, which was open to foot traffic back then. Pretty exciting for us.
Thank you for staying rite on top of the current events…(river current pun intended)
Joking aside,, I do appreciate your hard work.
Great video Sal. The museum is pronounced like ‘Richard Dawson’. We used to take the kids there.
Great analysis from the Salt Water guy. 😊 nice job. I really enjoy the comments from your subscribers as well. I am anchored on you channel.
Thanks Dale. I do my best when I venture in the fresh water.
I used to live in Houghton, Michigan. We would get a big salt shipment toward the end of the season. The canal up there is so narrow that they usually send one of the smaller freighters. Love this video update!
The canal is called Portage Lake in the early 70''s military tested hovercraft for artic conditions on the ice on the lake.
@@erbewayne6868 heck yeah! I'm assuming youve seen the old Air Force radar base up there yeah? that place is so cool
Great news.
No bulbous bow on a Great Lakes ship. It reduces the cube that can fit in a lock.
Sal, almost time to celebrate the 100,000 subs silver plaque!!!!!
I always hate bumping the bottom, luckily in my career it was always muddy bottoms. The big issue is satisfying her insurer before she sails again.
45 years ago I shipped out in the first of two years on the Great Lakes on various ships the largest one being the Belle River which was a 1000 footer or 300 m. Coincidentally, there was a ship back then called the James Barker and it was also a 1000 footer. When I first looked at this ship two things stood out. One is was not a long ship and I checked the length is 639 ft or 195 m. And second this is the first self unloader with the boom on the bow of the ship as every other ship I have seen has the boom on the stern directly in front of the superstructure.
Fortunately this ship was able to ground at a convenient location after owing power.
Edit: obviously at the end there " . .after losing power".
I'd be looking for stretched plates and movement of ribs in relation to each other and the as built blueprints specs
Looking at the bow of this American-built ship it's interesting how the shipbuilder didn't seem to have curved steel sheets available to form its rounded shape, instead using numerous flat sheets, all butt-welded together, creating an unusual "faceted" look...
The Great Lakes are one of those weird areas where ocean-going designs don't make sense for a laker. A lot of the 1000' ship have a similar design, and that's because it's more about capacity than efficiency through the water. Not to mention the Mark Barker was designed with the cuyahoga river navigation in mind.
@@nicholasuszko Well said. I've realized the great lakes freighters are almost designed like a self-propelled barge when compared to ocean-going vessels.
@@nicholasuszko It's very entertaining to watch a boat go up or down the Cuyahoga!
What’s the crew makeup and size for this ship?
Sal, at the 2:28 point in the video, the tall buildings in the upper right corner are Detroit’s Renaissance Center, hotel and office towers complex. The tallest buildings in Detroit, and home to many of General Motors Corporation headquarters offices. The Detroit Marriott hotel is located in the tallest of the buildings. It’s 72 stories, I believe.
I like that, "close to the curb".!
Hey Sal. Polymatter is a very popular education CZcams Channel and just posted a video about the Jones Act. Maybe another critique video can be on the way! Thanks for the vids.
Sal, I had to go back and look at pictures when she was being built, no bulbous bow on the Barker.
You are correct. It is a pretty flat bow.
Do you know why they lost propulsion? That has to be the main concern. Great video. Thank you.
The Chief Engineer is sweating bullets.He and Captain have too answer too company and Coast Guard.⚓⚓⚓
@@vernwallen4246 Maybe. They did a great job of minimizing the damage.
@@vernwallen4246 Probably the NTSB too. Airline incidents (crashes, rough landings, near misses in the air or on the ground), as well as railroad incidents and trucking, passenger bus incidents are all under the auspices of the National Transportation Safety Board.
They ran out of coal.
Shaft vibration shut it down
Webster-Ashburton Treaty gives both countries use of both sides of the Detroit river.
In fact the US Army cut and maintained Livingstone Channel is on the Canada side.
It is not an issue with use, but with the grounding and potential damage.
If you check Google Maps the grounded Barker is visible and from the bridge- aft I shows that part of the ship is in Canadian waters.
Mark w barker is the newest ship on the Great Lakes and interlake and the newest built on the Great Lakes with us make steel they haul salt a lot also taconite. Interlakes also has a ww2 boat the lee a tregrutha they take extreme pride in their ships and every person on the Great Lakes loves our Great Lake ships
Scuttlebutt has it that she had a rudder casualty
The majority of the shoreline is sand, with the exception of areas that they had installed rip rap to prevent erosion.
What is unusual about that ship is the unloading gear is at the bow. Not back at the superstructure the way it is
on most lake boats. They were built for the Great Lakes for sure. I would not take them out on blue water.
The forward boom is for specific difficult harbors where a rear (actually pretty far forward from the stern) boom can't reach into corners. Example, look at the Fairport, OH turning basin upriver, which has docks on both sides of the basin. Mid/aft booms can't reach the shore. If they tried to back in, it's shallow, possible propeller and rudder damage. Another example, of the 4 Great Lakes Fleet AAA's, Munson came from Bradley Fleet, which hauled stone to awkward harbors with no unloading equipment, thus had a forward boom as built, while Anderson, Clarke and Calloway were intended to haul ore to steel mills with straight dock faces and Hulett unloaders, so no booms were needed as built, later received aft booms, which minimized the length of power wiring to the conveyor motors.
great video, to compare where is Belle Isle , instead of Rotary park, that is where we were in Sept to watch, would like to find a better spot?
Good news these days is great news 😊
Small (relatively) deep ship that needs deeper water when her cargo is heavier. Deliberate design choice, expected consequences that have to be avoided by making suitable choices.
the Great Lakes are HUGE they also buffer our state of Michigan from any severe weather unless these lakes freeze over.then all bets are off
Update on Mark Barker, she is currently back underway in Lake Huron.
Is there tide (even a small one) in Detroit?
No, but a very fast current, ~6 mph.
Are the bow thrusters part of the main engines or separate systems? Thanks.
Separate systems.
Was that the stern anchor to help kedge off later ?
Lakers normally don't have a bulbus bow; one of the reasons is they're generally built just slightly smaller than the locks they're going to traverse on each trip. They're also built to maximize cargo capacity. Take the Barker; her bow is almost just a semi circle. That's to let as much of the bow equipment be crammed into it as possible to free up the rest of the space for cargo.
Great info!
Looks more like the rudder is hard over, didnt pick grounding site, just took what was given to them.
-Sal. Go over the TSP and MSP programs and how/why shippers are able to circumvent the Jones Act.
I am awaiting for the last awards in the TSP to be announced.
I follow a couple of channels devoted to super yachts & they have shown several incidents with loss of steering, propulsion or uncontrolled acceleration resulting in groundings, collisions & hull breeches. One of the continuing expressions of concern is newer boats being built with boat specific custom electronic control systems rather than off the shelf systems or mechanical linkages. The electronic controls apparently lack sufficient fail safes & ability to revert to manual control if the electronics have gone awry. Are there similar concerns with commercial shipping, possibly even this event?
There are issues associated with this, but it is not clear what was the issue on Barker.
I think this Laker is a new ship, I wonder what caused her to beach?
I certainly hope a US ship or aircraft in distress would chose the best available option, without any concerns about the Canada/USA border. I'd be really disappointed if my government made a fuss over a US ship grounding in Canada.
By treaty, commercial boats can operate on either side of the border.
In this case, the bottom of the river on Belle Isle was more friendly for grounding than the shore on the Canadian side of the channel with its concrete shoreline structure.
It would just be another level of bureaucracy and legal issues that could be avoided.
What's the white structure on the bow. Before, a "laker's" house was on the bow, one of its design characteristics.
That's the housing for the loop belt conveyor that takes cargo up from the hold "tunnel" conveyor to the boom conveyor belt. The loop conveyor is 2 belts going up around a 180 degree bend, with the material trapped between the 2 belts. Older boats had a bucket chain elevating conveyor, looks like a bunch of front end loader buckets on a pair of roller chains. You could hear the clanks, and see pulses in the material coming off the boom. All self unloaders have something like that, but most boats with aft mounted booms have the loop conveyor hidden inside the accommodation block. Forward or aft boom location depends on the original planned use for the boat. Putting the boom and conveyors aft near the engine room saves a lot of wiring, but prevents access for many awkward docks, like the turning basin in Fairport OH. Thus several new builds have forward mounted booms.
@@SteamCrane 👍Thanks
@Sal: Can yu explain why the wheelhouse of ships is still ocated at the rear of the ship? In the early days, the wheelhouse had to be located at the rar becasue a mechanical connection to the rudder was needed. But on modern ships, the connection to the rudder is most likely to be an electric or electronic/computer system, so it makes little sense to me for the captain and pilot to be steering the ship "from the backseat" in the stern of the ship, so to speak, where they are late to recognize any dangers the ship is coming up upon.
Casual Navigation has a video on that : czcams.com/video/oP2y1eiu0ac/video.html
All of the modern ships both Great Lakes and ocean vessels now have the superstructure on the aft end of the ship. That was already the case for Great Lakes ships when I was working on ships 45 years ago.
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Why’d it lose power ?
Brand new ?
How come no NTSB team on site? Is USCG sole authority? And in any case, I'll bet the Barker grounded in US waters because they didn't want a Canadian investigation, and possible arrest of the ship.
If the ship lost power how did they "decide" to ground in US? How were they able to steer the ship at all? Weren't they at the mercy of the current?
5 AM coffee with Sal
How is the void compartment inspected? Can you someone physically get down there or does that rely on some type of camera or sensor?
What do you mean by void compartment? I never heard that term and I used to work on ships like this one.
@@michaeldeierhoi4096 that is what Sal called it, no? The area between the outer and inner hulls.
@@chrisb4647 Yes that does make sense. I missed that statement. As to your comment if there was any potential damage from having run aground it could be inspected underneath by flooding only the stern ballast tanks enough to lift the bow out of the wstrr in order to inspect it.
This was done on a ship I worked on 45 years ago. It was already 70 years old in 1977 and after running aground the bow was raised and found to have a gash on side of the bow. The ship was promptly decommissioned and was taken to a yard to be scrapped.
Will the NTSB get evolved in this or is it strictly a Coast Guard investigation?
It should be both.
Sal kept calling this vessel the Mark W Barker, her or she, as in “she is anchored”, “she is much higher” and “that’s her propulsion”. Confusing times, obviously said in jest.
Googled who built the Mark W Barker vessel - Was built by Fincantieri Bay Shipbuilding in Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin, was the first U.S.-flagged, Jones Act-compliant ship built on the Great Lakes since 1983. Also the first built by Interlake since 1981.
American made, thank goodness! 👍
This incident will certainly be used as a relearning excercise for all, after over 40 years since the last vessel was built in America by this firm and the first Great Lakes Jones Act compliant built ship since 1983, there will be issues but American know how will prevail.
PolyMatter just made a video about the Jones Act, time to make another reaction video I guess.
I saw
What was this? A steering gear casualty?
It's a new ship. ... the discomfort of teething.
SO WHAT'S THE WORD ON LOSS OF POWER? WHAT DO THOSE BIG ENGINE CHARGE ON? BATTERIES, MAGNETOS, GENERATORS?
She runs on diesels.
Geology nerd Side note : the Silurian salt deposit is 1800 feet below the lake floor
Why grounding where it did? What direction where the winds blowing at the time of the grounding?
How long ago was this ?
May 2023
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WTF is going on here. Cuyahoga on fire. Remember that river caught on fire 2x. Was just up on Erie fishing was good
Wow intentional grounding things must be getting pretty bad huh?
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actually Canada and America are East/West of each other. You’re pointing to Windsor saying it is South, and Pointing at Belle Isle saying it is north.
Fun Fact: There is NO southeast Detroit, but there is southwest Detroit.
In terms of the specific geography at that point in the river, Belle Isle is north and Canada is south.
@@wgowshipping I would have to argue that you’re wrong. Draw a straight line across the river from the island, Windsor is directly across.
@@iamgriff Here, the Detroit River is flowing east to west. We show visitors the view of Ontario, LOOKING SOUTH.
That ship's what, 2 years old? And the skipper already effed it up?
This boat was not grounded that bad.
Wasn't this ship.brand new? 😅
Looks like shes been hauling lime
Isn't this a fairly young vessel to have propulsion problems ??
Built in 2022.
So your brand new Mitsubishi Mirage could never have a mechanical problem? Wise choice Meric.
John J Borland arriving Duluth with hole in hull czcams.com/video/aVcKvEemQCs/video.html . Guess it’s busy on the Great Lake!