PT.2 How LOST TOOLS of WRITING works vs. IEW//teach homeschool middle & high schoolers HOW to think!
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- HOW DOES THE LOST TOOLS OF WRITING WORK compared to the INSTITUTE FOR EXCELLENCE IN WRITING CURRICULUM? If you have a middle school homeschooler or a high school homeschooler, and you want to prepare them for HOW to think, not WHAT to think, then this homeschool language arts writing curriculum may be what you are looking for.
In this video, I'm going to show you details about how the Lost Tools of Writing curriculum works. From the very first essay, your homeschoolers will be taught to form an opinion and defend it.
CHAPTERS:
1:00 What differentiates Lost Tools of Writing from other language arts programs?
2:58 Sources to use for assignments & helps
4:20 How it’s designed to work by “essay”
6:11 Scope of the entire Lost Tools of Writing level 1
9:25 Essay 1: how to begin: ANI chart
11:36 5 Common Topics
12:51 Summary of the “tools” of writing they’ll be adding into their papers
15:56 An example of student worksheets (templates) and how they are used.
18:25 What are we writing by essay 5?
21:58 Refutation
22:15 How we incorporate tools learned from IEW
22:41 Does IEW have a comparable course that also teaches kids to think in this depth?
22:34 IEW or Lost Tools of Writing? Which one is better?
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I absolutely love your presentation! And I love your inclusion of both programs to equip your sons writing ability and take it to the next level. Excellent!
Thank you so much!!
I love how you go into detail with your reviews. It’s super helpful!
Thank you!! Yes! I’ve watched so many reviews where it was so high level, it wasn’t helpful. So when I’m making reviews, I do think, “if I were researching this, what would I need to know?” 😉 I’m glad it’s working for you!
This is so great! Thank you!
You’re so welcome!
Redeeming our education. So good. I don’t want to be intimidated by it. Excited
This is SO so so so helpful .Thank you!!!
You’re welcome! ☺️
Subscribed and turned on the notifications 😍 Thank you so much Rachel for the last 2 videos. We are presently doing IEW SSS 1B, she's in Grade 6. Then IEW's Modern World History for Grade 7. Lost Tools of Writing Level 1 for Grade 8, I think will be a great curriculum after those 2 from IEW. Then HS Intensive by IEW before EIW and EIL for her Grades 9 and 10. They have a scoring service. I just don't know how to squeeze TGATB in between 😅 Looking forward to your next video.
I’m so glad you’re here!!
Wow!! You are doing a lot!! To be clear, I’m not doing all three at the same time. Just wondering if I should squeeze these back in for a year bc my child still struggles with some grammar and style, and the arrangement of essays.
I’m not sure how we could do it all in the 4 years of high school either. The wheels are turning though.
I do love TGTB for the well rounded lessons…adding in the geography and lessons there, as well as the art appreciation….not going to get that from IEW or LTW. So it’s such a big question!
My fav homeschool mom to watch on CZcams
Awe!! Thanks! 🥰
These two videos are fabulous! I am very familiar with IEW, having taught both SWI and a year on my own to my daughter in the past. She is now trying out Writing With Skill. I like it, but I wasn't sure if we would continue or where to go after we are done with that. This looks like a wonderful option for late middle-high school. Thanks for such a thorough review!
Question: It's probably obvious from my channel name, but we are secular homeschoolers (non-Christian). Other than any objection one might have to The Lion the Witch and the Wardrobe, would you say that LTW is secular?
You can use whatever books you want. The examples in the book are from the Lion, Witch, and the Wardrobe. But when we did this through classical conversations, we used all kinds of books. The curriculum teaches techniques that can be applied with any book, if that makes sense.
So the process, isn’t really about a worldview.
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan That makes perfect sense and sounds like something that would fit in so well with our literature-based approach. Thank you!
@@RegularSecularMama you’re welcome! 😀
Great overview! We’re you a Challenge director at some point?
Thank you!
No. I was an essentials tutor, practicum coordinator, essentials tutor trainer, and an SR. I wonder why I burned out? 😜
We write from books!!! We’ve not wrote from the lion the witch and the wardrobe or use a curriculum. We have no issues of using curriculum for this as my kids would be writing better.
Writing from books is something I never thought of before there programs. But it’s such an easy thing to write about!
This was so so good, Rachel!! Thank you!! We have to consider doing the LTW on our own since we’re moving and wondering if you have any experience with the video portion of the program. Would you recommend using the videos for the students to watch or are the books easy to follow enough to not need the videos? Thanks so much for any help!
You’re welcome! 😃
I think the video depends on how your child best learns. For us, the videos were helpful. But I know another mom in our classical com class that said the videos weren’t needed bc they say the same thing as the book. So she didn’t use them. So I think it just depends on your preference and how you take in information and understand it. Hope that helps!
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan I see. Yes that is so so helpful! Thank you!! And that’s good that the videos reiterate what the book contains because I can’t be too bands on with our student so it’ll be good that there are videos that she can refer to. How long is each video lesson and how many video lessons are recommended per week? I’m considering iew ss for our son but those videos are like 45 minutes each and we’re certainly not used to videos.
@@TheChan7 I think we only saw 1 video/week and it was like 10-15 minutes
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan thanks, Rachel!! That is so much more our pace than the iew videos.
@@TheChan7 I should add that the videos we watched were through a code that classical conversations gave us to stream from. I ASSUME the videos would be the same as what you may see.
You probably won't be able to answer this. I have a daughter entering 9th grade. She hasn't written much throughout her education so she is not very good at writing. I really want her to do Lost Tools of Writing because of the benefits of teaching her how to think. But I think she needs IEW first. She has four years of school left. I'm wondering if I should start her on IEW B1 and do B1, B2, C1, and C2 and skip Lost Tools. I'm thinking since she hasn't had much writing experience, starting her with B1 is best. But then I lose out on Lost Tools. I have also considered starting her on C1 for freshman year, C2 for sophomore year, then doing Lost Tools for Jr and Sr year. I guess the issue is whether or not to Start her on B1 or C1. I hear the difference between level B and C is mostly reading level. Her reading is on grade level. I know its hard for you to answer a question like this but can you give me some insight on where to start her on IEW. Are two years enough of IEW? Should I do IEW for all four years? Is only one year of Lost Tools enough? I'm confused and feel bad I didn't make her write more in the past. Thanks for any insight you can give.
As an afterthought, what does the 2nd year courses in Structure and Style do? I could do B1 (freshman) then do C1 (sophomore) and C2 (junior), leaving Lost Tools for her senior year.
These are tough questions. I think if you contacted IEW, they would probably tell you it’s ok to start at the lower level of B1 if she’s never done it before. The videos will be geared to younger ages, but that’s ok. The text that she’ll write papers from will be less and therefore less overwhelming for her to learn the process. So that’s not a bad idea. As far as what B1 vs B2 is, I’m actually not really sure. My son did C1 this last year and it included all 9 units it normally does. I didn’t get the C2 this year bc he still has 3 units to finish for C1 and then I’m adding other language arts in. But IEW may be able to tell you do their website shows samples that may indicate I’d the year 2 is just a repeat of the same concepts to reinforce the learning.
My OPINION (keep that in mind-just an opinion) is that after 2 years of IEW, she might be able to move into Lost Tools. IEW is such a good teacher!! And you’ll be surprised at how much she learns from just 1 year!
Here’s the link to the IEW site if you want to contact them or see the samples of the year 2. I hope that helps!
iew.com/OurHomeschoolPlan
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan Thank you so much for your thoughts. I wasn't sure if you would answer. I know they are tough questions. It almost sounds like I could start her on B1, then skip B2 and do C1, and then choose whether or not to start her on C2 or Lost Tools in her Jr year. Either way, she would end up with at least one year of Lost Tools. Thanks for your reply.
What Would you personally recommend to add on tgtb and at what ages? We love tgtb and my 3rd & 5th grader are in level 3 &4 … I plan to use it til high school but I really wanted to add in a little more writing? Would you follow what CC did and do IEW for 6th grade and maybe 7th & lost tools for like 8th & 9th?
I would add IEW. That’s what I plan to do. Then, if they become very proficient in the process, you could consider LTW later. I’m actually in the process of figuring that out for my high schooler bc he likes TGTB LA bc of the variety in assignments. But I feel he still needs help with the process of writing. So I’m trying to figure out how to do IEW and also TGTB right now. 😁
We're starting IEW All Things Fun and Fascinating in 4th grade, and will do Structure and Style in 5th and 6th. Would you recommend IEW for 7th and 8th, or at that point switching to LTOW? If we waited to start LOTW till, say, 9th, would you think Level 1 over grades 9 and 10, followed by Level 2 over grades 11 and 12 would be a good sequence?
You’re plan sounds great! I will say this, however….the new structure and style for students, is where Andrew is teaching the students himself. (I didn’t discuss it in THIS comparison but I did an IEW comparison recently /‘d discussed it there).) so once you’ve gone through the All things fun book, you may decide you’ve got the gist and don’t need the videos. (Or you may decide you want more reinforcement for things you missed -up to you). Repetition is going to be great no matter what for drilling the techniques so that they become 2nd nature.
Lost Tools you could start anytime after 7th grade. It’s definitely advanced enough to be a high school course. And taking your time with it, over two years, yes!!! I don’t have any personal experience with the level 2 course. But obviously….it’s level 2!, do it after level 1. 😜😉 you’ve got great ideas!
Thanks for clarifying that LTW LEVEL 1 is what CC uses for all the Challenge levels. I hope I'm getting that right. We went through one year of LTW level 1 with mixed feelings about it. I assumed, before checking, that I needed to buy the level 2 for 8th grade.
Can you tell me why there are higher LTW levels if the first level is so "meaty"?
My son did 3 years of Essentials using IEW. He's a very rule-oriented person and as soon as we stopped IEW, he thought he could throw out IEW concepts. 😭 He did the bare minimum LTW concepts and it felt like his skills had regressed. The sentences turned out sounding very strange as if he wasn't trying to make them flow and connect. I keep wondering if a second year or several will look better. I feel like I'm going to go insane reading his essays if something doesn't change. Did you have a similar experience the first year?
Thanks
CC uses LTW 2 by /CH 1 or 2....but I haven't looked at LTW level 2 to know what's different, so I can't answer that question for you.
As for throwing out the IEW concepts....yes, my son kind of quit thinking about dressing up his paragraphs and i had to remind him that he should still be using those concepts. You could get an IEW checklist for your child to use along with the LTW papers. You can also add descriptions and better sentence openers!!! :)
Do you think this would be too advanced for an upper elementary student who is an advanced writer? My daughter could finished IEW SSS1A over the summer. There were many good techniques learned, no doubt, but, when she was writing based on a literature, I felt she needed something more. I am very curious to learn this curriculum.
It’s intended for age 12+. So I would say if your daughter grasps literature and can begin to question ideas in literature, then yes. The main thing that is exercised in every single paper is the ability to brainstorm both sides of an issue. So some critical thinking skills….the kind of thinking they are trying to train is difficult for younger ages because they aren’t necessarily thinking about “deeper meanings.” So you’d have to gauge your child’s ability on that. It’s definitely more than grammar. Infact, grammar isn’t really taught in this curriculum. It’s higher thinking than that.
So if your daughter is at least 12, I’d say yes! If 11, you’ll have to decide how deeply she can think through issues and conflicts. I hope that helps. 😉
Fantastic video! Question- My upcoming 10th grader has had minimal language arts due to dyslexia. He's now a fairly proficient reader but struggles with writing. I've looked at several programs and was settling on Writing and Rhetoric, but watching your videos I am intrigued by Lost Tools of Writing. Do you think it would work with a struggling writer? Are you familiar at all with Writing and Rhetoric to make a comparison? I haven't been lucky enough to find anything that compares those 2 specific programs...
I assume the rhetoric one is IEW? I don’t have any experience with that. But I did recently ask IEW about high school writing programs and they told me that the writing with rhetoric is for more experienced writers (like after they’ve completed the structure and style program).
It’s so hard to say bc honestly, Lost Tools isn’t going to teach grammar really. So if that’s not the struggle….just WHAT to put into the paper…..hmmm….I mean, I love IEW for the process. And I love Lost Tools for the process dd THINKING and generating ideas. But again, Lost tools is really more for persuasive papers
I don’t think that was much help for you. 😜 Not know your child, it’s hard to say what I’d recommend.
And you’re right about having hard time finding reviews on more advanced curriculums. 🤔😢
I'm looking at the same two options. Writing & Rhetoric is next level, I think. Really gets into critical thinking & stylistic components of writing along with literary devices. Very unique 👌. Lost Tools is very structured which I love and seems like it would be easier. Someone needs to do A VIDEO COMPARISON!!!!
@@user-vg8ez9cu6u yes, we need a video! 🤣I posed the question in the classical FaceBook groups and the overwhelming response for him was to use Lost Tools. That being said, I will also be using the Writing and Rhetoric but with my younger daughters, from Book 1 hopefully through the entire collection. That way, no FOMO, lol...
@@valleyhavenfamilyschool8951 would you please share the sequence of curricula you used for writing beginning in 2nd grade? Looking back, would you have changed anything? Would be a big help for me to know. Thank you 😊
Hi, How does this compare to Writing & Rhetoric or Writing with Skill? Does it only cover persuasive writing or other canons like narrative and descriptive writing?
I’m not familiar with those other programs. But Lost Tools is all about persuasive writing utilizing three of the five canons of rhetoric: Invention, Arrangement, and Elocution only.
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan thank you
I have a kiddo who has done a lot of writing. HS Junior. Trying to figure out which program to use. I am new to teaching her this subject. Which would you suggest for a newbie?
it depends on what your goals are. IEW will focus on the process of writing a paper, focusing on grammar and how to change up sentences openers, etc. Lost Tools is more about persuasive writing and creating an argument...how to brainstorm your points and then logically communicate them. IEW's scope is broader in terms of different kinds of papers (research papers, literary analysis, creative writing) Lost Tools scope (at least for level 1) is all about persuasive and thinking through multiple sides. So it dives deep into that. If your student is already a great writer, then I'd probably suggest Lost Tools. But to be fair....I haven't done the high school level IEW course. My son is doing it this year, though.
I'm not sure if that helped. I feel like you're asking me to choose a favorite child! ;). They are both excellent programs.
Do you think you’d need to add a separate literature curriculum when using LTW?
A separate literature curriculum? Well….I assume a curriculum would also ask for have the literature analyzed. I guess it depends on if you will be helping the student discuss the ideas. It’s hard to say. If your child has no trouble with ideas….then just choosing some good literature to go through this program with might be enough.
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan thank you! We’re using IEW currently, and have really enjoyed it, but want a bit more depth for next year as our kiddo moves into high school.
I love your videos and can’t wait for your in-depth analysis/wrap up of all of your son’s current curriculum!
I am SO glad I found these 2 videos of yours!! My current 8th grader is doing IEW Medieval history this year. We hadn’t done the SSS but our curriculum had us jump into the themed book so I did purchase the teacher’s SS just so that I knew what we were doing. It’s a great program and I have been torn whether to do another IEW book or something different entirely. TLT was one on my list to consider. Having gone through both, do you feel a 2nd year of IEW would make sense before jumping into TLT? With my son entering high school next year, I feel the time is running out quickly. We haven’t homeschooled as long either and I almost feel like we’re trying make up for lost time. So do you feel from your experience that one year of IEW’s techniques would be enough before switching? I appreciate your thoughts!
They are different programs. IEW is going to focus more on the grammar and style of a paper (like adding clincher sentences at the end of every paragraph). Lost Tools is more about the CONTENT of an persuasive paper and how to present an argument. So moving on from IEW depends on if your child has the grammar down and the process of writing. That’s not the day they can’t move on. But Lost Tools isn’t focusing at all on grammar and different sentence openers, etc if that makes sense. You could just keep the IEW checklists for all LTW papers to keep emphasizing the switching up of the style.
That makes sense. Thanks so much for your reply!!
Where did you get the 5 topics cheat sheet?
I don’t remember. Probably at a practicum or from a director. But if Google 5 combo Topics, you can find something similar. 😉
I don’t understand…. Is level 1 all based off the Narnia book? All the essays and lessons etc are based off the Narnia book?
Also, what grade level is level 1?
And what is best for a 10th grader that needs catching up with writing… LTW or IEW?
The examples in the book are “the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe.” They also have sample essays from “the gift of the Magi” but they are strictly used as examples. You can use what they teach and apply it to any book that has a conflict or opinions where they could be an opposing side.
Which program being best….ugh…it really depends. It’s hard to say bc they are so different. I was literally just asking my sis in law this week a similar question bc I, too, have a struggling writer who is finishing up IEW this year. But I’m not sure what I want to do. And she brought up Lost Tools again and said that her son also struggled in writing until he did Lost Tools of Writing. So she was suggesting that I do it again with mine.
I think IEW focuses more grammar and using adverbs and adjectives, etc. and it does also help give you a structure for writing.
Lost Tools focuses more on brainstorming ideas and giving you different ways to structure an argument. It doesn’t deal with as much grammar or adjectives, etc and more with ideas.
So I’d say it depends on the weaknesses you want to focus on. But they’re both so good! 😊
So if my kids know each type of paper, lost tools of writing would be a good place to start?
It depends on what you’re looking for. Lost tools is more about analysis of writing and learning how to persuade on a point of view.
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan Do think it's good prepfor ACT and college writing?
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan Are the videos for the teacher or student?
Did you view the Lost Tools’ videos? Is it worth paying for them? One must buy these book new to get access to videos I think.
I did view the videos but I didn’t pay extra for them. I had a code for viewing them. I’m not sure if that was a Classical Conversation thing or not.
That’s hard to say if they’re worth it. It’s nice to have a video explain it. But I also think it’s the same info in the teachers manual. But if you don’t understand it….the video walks you through it. The videos are short. They are maybe 10-15 min long so they aren’t extensive explanations of each element.
Thank you! With writing it’s so helpful to see sample pieces. I wonder if they have any out there. Appreciate the video!
Thank you! With writing it’s so helpful to see sample pieces. I wonder if they have any out there. Appreciate the video!
Thank you! With writing it’s so helpful to see sample pieces. I wonder if they have any out there. Appreciate the video!
Thank you! With writing it’s so helpful to see sample pieces. I wonder if they have any out there. Appreciate the video!
I am overwhelmed and confused... Huhuhu.
Oh no!! Well….I did say it’s a lot. It’s a lot to absorb bc honestly, it’s not how we were taught. This curriculum is very classical. And the classical approach to education is to train the brain how to think. And that’s not how education is really done today. It’s hard to think!
But I totally get it!
Do you think it would help if you saw an essay with all of these elements? Maybe I should’ve added that…..I didn’t think of it. :(
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan does it mean, you do IEW, Lost Tools and TGATB? How do you schedule it?
@@paularodillo no, no, no….I do NOT do all three of these. We did IEW in 4th - 6th grade. We did LTW in 7th-8th grade. And now my son is doing TGTB. But we still use the tools and checklists and ideas we learned from the other programs to write papers. That’s what I meant. It’s a way of learning that should affect how you write anything going forward.
I’m sorry if I wasn’t clear on that. I probably mentioned all of that in the first video.
@@OurHOMEschoolPlan hahaha... Silly me. I mustn’t have absorbed it just by being overwhelmed by it.
@ourhomeschoolplan I am in my teachers introduction page, no link /code... Did something change?
For Lost Tools? Did you buy the complete set that comes with the videos? For $147? 🤔 if you did, and you can’t find any info for accessing them, I’d contact the company and ask.