Victor Davis Hanson - How a Border War in Europe Led to WWII
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Victor Davis Hanson, the Wayne and Marcia Buske Distinguished Fellow in History at Hillsdale College, is also a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and a professor of classics emeritus at California State University, Fresno.
Dr. Hanson earned his B.A. at the University of California, Santa Cruz, and his Ph.D. in classics from Stanford University. In 2007, he was awarded the National Humanities Medal, and in 2008, he received the Bradley Prize.
He is a columnist for National Review Online and for Tribune Media Services, and has published in several journals and newspapers, including Commentary, the Claremont Review of Books, The New Criterion, the New York Times, and the Wall Street Journal. Dr. Hanson has written or edited numerous books, including Wars of the Ancient Greeks and A War Like No Other: How the Athenians and Spartans Fought the Peloponnesian War.
Founded in 1844, Hillsdale College is an independent, coeducational, residential, liberal arts college with a student body of about 1,400. Its four-year curriculum leads to the bachelor of arts or bachelor of science degree, and it is accredited by the Higher Learning Commission.
Hillsdale’s educational mission rests upon two principles: academic excellence and institutional independence. The College does not accept federal or state taxpayer subsidies for any of its operations.
Interesting, at 71, I'm learning much more about history than I ever did in my school years listening to Victor Davis Hanson. Maybe because I'm older and actually find history interesting. And I don't remember history being taught the way he teaches.
That's because VDH is not only a great scholar and communicator, but with a unique ability to contextualize history within the Human Experience.
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I'm 73, and I agree.
Same.
VDH is inaccurate. It would be interesting to watch this generalist, who lectures on numerous subjects, fumble in a debate with the man who went to jail for his intelligence and honesty, David Irving.
VDH is the only speaker I can watch repeatedly, even if he's covered the same material before. It always sounds fresh and new and insightful. He's a human encyclopedia. Is this how American professors used to be???
I'd like to think that VDH would be exceptional in any era.
It's cause he's not a left douche bag. Just knows how things have played out and time and gives his take on what can happen
I believe VDH is unique.
Why, yes!
This is how teachers used to be, this is how teachers used to teach!
There are those teachers who can breathe life into history, and there are those who cannot.
It was God's gift to my life that I had not one, but two such gifted and brilliant instructors in my youth.
They ignited and fueled the passion for history and life within me at an early age more than four decades ago. And to this day, I don't know if they ever truly realized the miracle they worked in our lives (?).
Even today, almost a half century later, I still love and respect them both. They were the "real deal!"
There is a lasting reward for the gifted educator who touches the lives of the young, and it has little to nothing to do with money.
Yet I wish them all the wealth of the universe, for they deserve it!
True that, we need to being educated educators of his calibre back!
In elementary school I hadn’t yet found the appeal of history. Many children find history dry and boring. But a magnetic teacher will change how interesting and attractive history becomes to a student. I’m thankful I had a teacher who opened the world for me.
VDH does the same, I learn so much and enjoy every minute.
A teacher who is excited about his/her subject matter can make all the difference in the world. I had some very memorable history teachers who left me with a fascination of learning.
Nakon Drugog svjetskog rata potpisan je međunarodni sporazum da jedna država nikada ne smije napasti drugu, čak i ako ima suprotne zakone. Zapad se dosjetio pružiti utočište poraženim vojskama i suradnicima Trojnog pakta, a oni su ih iskoristili za dizanje građanskih pobuna u svojoj domovini. Razlozi pobune nisu bili ekonomski, već korištena antidemokratska načela, poput vjere i nacije. Nacionalizam je rođen u Europi i na Zapadu na humanitarnim principima, da ujedini male države, pokrajine i kraljevine u jednu veliku, s jednim zakonom i jednim pismom, kako bi bile jače u slučaju da ih susjedna država napadne.
Zapad je bio protiv jugoslavenskog nacionalizma, protiv velike i ozbiljne države i financirao je separatizam pod parolom nacionalizma. Amerika je podržala državni udar u Ukrajini, ali nije podržala republike koje su na referendumu proglasile neovisnost i pripajanje Rusiji, a bile su u sastavu Rusije prije Staljinove diktature. Tako je Zapad stvorio nove kolonije, počevši od Jugoslavije, zatim Libije, Iraka i drugih zemalja, a sada Zapad ima mnoge kolonije iz kojih kradu i iskorištavaju tuđa prirodna bogatstva. Sada Zapad i Europa dižu vojsku protiv afričkih zemalja, jer se žele osloboditi kolonijalizma. U Africi ne podržavaju državni udar a u Ukrajini su podržali državni udar i poslali su ogromna financijska i vojna sredstva da ratuju protiv Rusije jer je Rusija bogata mnogim prirodnim resursima. Provjerite na internetu: Svaka država na svijetu duguje milijarde eura i dolara, a nitko ne zna tko je vlasnik te silne svote? Vlasnici su privatnici, jer je Amerika dala pravo privatnim bankama da tiskaju novac bez kontrole i bez pokrića. Ti privatnici vladaju svijetom, a Zapad je prisiljen ratovati s drugim državama, kako bi vratio dugove privatnih korporacija.
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Dr. Victor Davis Hanson is the best American historian alive.
Every high school and college person in America should study this great lecture.
And take note....Japan and Germany killed UNARMED CITIZENS FIRST. NEVER.....GIVE UP YOUR GUNS. BUY MORE.
This man should be shown to every high school student in America they need to listen to his wisdom and stop following the Marxist teachers that are trying to indoctrinate our children they need to learn what the wars in America actually stood for and why they took place instead of the lies that they have been taught
Too many of our college students are being taught that the United States is wrong on every side and that needs to stop parents need to start teaching their children true history not the lies that this college teachers are teaching them and they need to be taught to respect our country and to love our country instead of like these people that are believing every life that the news media brings crossed because that is what a lot of it is lies I have always educated Myself by reading a lot and by listening to good speakers you can learn a lot and a lot of what the news media is coming across with anymore is nothing but lies all the time our government is now against religion or anything to do with God and they are fighting that and our Free Speech are free Lifestyles and they want to control us and people need to wake up not be woke wake up to what is actually happening in our country they are trying to destroy it and if they you keep listening to them they will get it done stop listening to them and start joining the many people who actually know the truth and are trying to stop what is going on
We need to review the history books in our Public Schools and find out what the students are actually being taught because they are not being taught the actual true history of the United States every student should come out of school knowing the true history are the United States and not some communist teachers opinion
He knowledge of EVERYTHING is unparalleled. When he gives you an answer he backs it up and explains it so clearly. I would die to hear him do a lecture on MacArthur.
Wow! Victor never let's me down. What a mind on that man!
This guy makes history so digestible...Love the contemplative style.
The only problem is he still supports WW3 with Russia like what he's talking about doesn't apply today.
He speaks of history as if he was a first-hand eye witness to the events. I ALWAYS make it a point to hear his lectures , or interviews every opportunity I get.
He makes lots of errors on well-established facts. For example, he says the Third Reich declared war on Britain (18:26) but this is untrue; it was Britain with France that declared war on Germany. Later he says the Germans had no ability to go to Moscow (28:07) but the Germans almost took Moscow, reaching the outskirts of the city. It was a close thing. Hitler later admitted that he underestimated the Soviets. He was unconcerned about the English and the Americans with 80% of the Wehrmacht on the eastern front. It was the Red Army that beat Germany.
Victor Davis Hanson is a national treasure!
He i the best👍
People just never get tired of this comment
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Fools gold in that treasure chest.
Thank you Hillsdale College for posting this fascinating lecture by Victor Davis Hanson.
I am a graduate of a different liberal arts college (Williams). Though I graduated with a Political Science degree, I never had the opportunity to learn from someone of Dr. Hanson's caliber. In fact, since all of my professors had the same political viewpoints as each other and preached them incessantly during class, I became numb and disinterested in the subject matter by my junior year. As a result, I went in a different direction, career-wise. When I listened to this lecture by Dr. Hanson just now, it truly re-awakened my former passion for history and political science.
Ditto!
Marshall University graduate studies in history here, after a similar slog thru undergrad PoliSci as yourself.
After kicking around
on a piece of ground
in my hometown,
(Huntington, WV)
whiling away the hours that made up a dull day,
(rockin&rollin&goin' insane)
10 yrs had come & gone --
I'd missed the starting gun.
So I went into teaching,
government schools/
public education /
ending up,
in
special ed, as things turned out;
quite satisfying.
It's a shame about what has happened to the Ivies and small ivies.
Thankyou Hillsdale college for sharing this wonderful presentation. First time hearing VDH. I enjoy his style and demeanor.
So if you love history now please read more and learn more. Start with and research his statistics on deaths in WWII. He claims the G & J mainly killed people without weapons. He says the Wehrmacht killed 27M in SU. From my research 27M is the total killed, not civilians. They lost about 9M military, and 19M civilians. The Wehrmacht was the fighting arm of Germany, they fought the SU Army, and killed them. Many/most of the civilian deaths were after the Wehrmacht moved on and were done by the SS, Gestapo, etc. Obviously the Wehrmacht caused and killed civilians when fighting but were not the main source of such deaths. You do have to understand and recognize differences in the German military.
Also then understand that Allied bombing of civilians in Europe and Japan came to millions of deaths also, and Dr Hanson does not mention this. The SU accounted for over 90% of Wehrmacht casualties, but they did not have the capacity to bomb Germany until late in the war. It was US/Britain that from 42-45 massively bombed and killed citizens.
Certainly G & J caused more deaths to civilians but maybe do a little more in depth research than what Dr Hanson provides here.
Been there; done that.
I could listen to Professor Hanson for hours.
Yah, if only he could stop saying "newkyoolar,," then so could I.
Ouch.
@@freemanz4051 The fact that you had no problem with "Ver-mark" tells us you're a posturing blowhard.
And I do lol
...the prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?
lol I binge-watch him on my day off
Mr. Hanson is a brilliant man, and I can watch any number of talks he gives any time I want. God I love the age I live in.
@@dks13827 Screech louder drama queen, I don't think the people in the back heard you.
@@SlingingLead Laugh
Out
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Well done!
@Charles McCarron Well, professor Hanson is not a leftist thus he isn't constantly trying to rewrite history. He sticks to researched facts, so in that sense maybe he hasn't anything new to say.
Also at the age of 67 and professor emeritus at California State University at Fresno, senior fellow at the Hoover institution at Stanford University, visiting professor at Hillsdale College and 21 books to his credit... I just don't think his employment situation is as tenuous as you imagine it to be.
Great man.
Always a pleasure to hear VDH speak. Thank you.
He is addictive.... in a world gone a little funny, you know, a little funny in the head, VDH is my rock of *hope."*
See the French Revolution's rein/Rain? of terror, they too were absolutely GD sure that they were doing *"GOOD"*
Beware the naked man that promises you the shirt off YOUR back.
Incredible. I can listen to you all day; just about all day anyway. I feel smarter after listening to you.
Steve Kurinij
that’s because you ARE smarter after listening to him talk for an hour. 🤔🤓
I love how Hanson can break the WWII scenario down into its simplest format so even I can understand.
Such an awesome way to assess the execution and results of the war. Incredible statistics. I’ve read about the war for 40 years and did not know so much that the professor mentioned here.
I recommend his book, "The Second World Wars". This lecture is a synopsis of the arguments he presents in the book.
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What a privilege to hear this lecture (will play more than once). Thank you!
Victor Davis Hanson is a national treasure. He inspired me to get my Master’s Degree in WWII Studies.
A superb overview. Looking forward to finding more of Prof Hanson's lectures online.
I have listened to a lot of speeches given by distinguished historians on this subject but find this address particularly interesting and informative,and given by a consumate public speaker.An english admirer.
What a great mind .his analysis of world war11 and the facts he has presented has amazed me, beyond belief. He is now one of my hero’s and no one has been able to present facts about the war and how the leaders of the many countries involved in the war were trying to conduct their operations
VDH is truley a GIFT FROM GOD🙏💕🇺🇲🌟
Outstanding lecture, as always. Ty Dr. Hanson. I always learn so much about military history, and as it relates to modern times.
VDH is the Best! I really enjoy listening to him either in the Videos like this one or on his appearances on FOX News.
He always has something valuable to say!
Absolutely brilliant , An incredible summing up of the war and it's effects, from every aspect. And yet he missed nothing of importance, out of the equastion.
Glad to see VICTOR DAVIS HANSON coming to leadership of western thought.
My word. Finally some sanity about the way the world has worked and why we are in the dilemma we find ourselves today.
I'd add that the Americans seemed to revere the expertise of their pilots more than the Axis. Veteran flyers were regularly rotated stateside after X amount of time to train new pilots or learn/develop new fighting tactics. German pilots may have had the outrageous kill numbers, but many of those people didn't survive to pass on the knowledge. Also, the victory at Midway against Japan was more than just the sinking of the four carriers -- The loss of experienced pilots (many of whom had been training since the early-mid 30s) can't be understated.
Exactly! Midway definitely impacted Japan's air power expertise.
Not really at Midway. It was the war of attrition in the Solomons that ground down the IJN's pilots. I recommend reading "Shattered Sword" for a closer look at this particular point. The Japanese didn't really lose that many pilots during the battle, and still had a formidable body of experienced pilots left.
We could probably say that Midway's impact on the Japanese navy's air arm, was that it was one more campaign, for a group of pilots who had been in action continuously for almost a year, with no down time.
And the Japanese policy of keeping experienced pilots in action, instead of rotating them home to train new pilots, was also a disadvantage, along with their process, that flying personnel were ship's personnel, not members of independent units, the way our Navy organized its air arm. The Japanese couldn't simply transfer a new squadron to a carrier, when the one already assigned there needed to be withdrawn for rest & refit. And they simply didn't have the manpower to organize the way we did, either.
Another myth created without looking into the facts who had educated and taught whom .
German fighter aces for sure trained the next generation as the german submarine commanders did becoming leader of the Ausbilder Flotillas in the baltic sea. Luftwaffe trained far more if you carefully check the math of how many german fighters had been lost - with pilots.
Even such teachers died in action of teaching or developing future doctrines like Nowotny developing the ME 262 fighter doctrines against american bomber streams and escorting fighters. He was shot down near Epe while on a flight evolving those jet age doctrines.
A lot of german fighters survived and used to deliver their expertise in the post war era to learn from them how to fight the russians cause americans never had fought russian units.
Remember that the american troops only had to fight 2nd or 3rd class german units while the first choice mostly was engaged defending against the russians and if the americans met german first class units the results were not that great.
But who cares ... we have seen the bad performances in Iraq and Afghanistan where the big USA were defeated by a nation relying on outdated weapons and no industry at all.
And if you compare the tanks that way the german tank crews were well protected while the americans simply let the Sherman crews be slaughtered.
Nice news for all those american widows that the american had saved the money not the lives of their relatives while the german tanks did the opposite.
@@Pmtd1234 Not really Midway so much as the entire subsequent Solomons campaign. This turned into a long slogging battle of attrition, bleeding Japanese air and naval aviation dry. The Japanese not only sacrificed the best of their experienced flyers to immediate combat efficiency, the also operated at a severe disadvantage geographically. In addition to devastating combat losses, they experienced severe non-combat operational losses, not just in pilots, but also in aviation and logistical support elements, all loses that they could not make good. The resulting degradation in combat efficiency was fully felt in their strategic defeat in the Battle of the Philippine Sea, where Japanese naval air power was effectively destroyed, never to be rebuilt.
@@typxxilps if the Americans would have “met first rate German units” the outcome would have been much the same. With the possible exception of Germany being the first country to have the Atom bomb used on it instead of Germany, that is all lasting slightly longer would have earned them.
A truly exceptional man as usual and very appreciated to hear the honorable Mr. Hansen’s WW2 analysis, his Q&A + can’t wait to get his latest book as well. Thanks Hillside College & President Arnn 🇺🇸🇨🇦
VDH should have his own series on The History Channel.
The History Channel is a waste of time
LOL
As per the comments below, THC has become as relevant among we serious students of REAL history as TLC among those of us trying to practice life-long learning, earnest seekers-after-knowledge.
Maybe the post-modernists can't get past THC = tetrahydrocannabinol?
@Charles McCarron LOL
Well, maybe day TWO.
;-)
He should throw some love at Canada. I think that by the end of the war, they had the 3rd largest navy in the world with over 400 warships and 100,000 personnel. They mainly escorted convoys to the USSR and UK from the USA. Canada also declared war on Germany immediately following Britain. Canada contributed greatly to war supplies, namely food, munitions, and raw materials. Canada's direct involvement in ground and air operations was limited because I think they were wary of another WW1 scenario where 39% of their army were castualties.
All true, sad to see fall of this formerly great nation under their current Neo-marxist prime minister.
Trudeau will be PM for the next 20yrs.
Politically Canada is Ontario and Quebec between them they control 70% of the seats in parliament, those two work together (ont/qui) Trudeau can't loose, it has worked for him/Liberal Party since 2014.
@@jaric82lol, you have no Idea what you talking about. Stop using Buzzwords from your Red-Pills Tubers.
I had no idea Dr. Arnn is from Pocahontas and an ASU graduate. I like him even more now. Its good to see an Arkansan make it good. Dr. Hanson is also awesome. I enjoy his talks immensely.
I just finished "The Second World Wars", and I recommend it highly. Professor Hanson applies the same analysis to the war as he applies to the Peloponnesian War in "A War Like No Other."
These just get better and better.
Since we're on the subject of war and since Hillsdale is known for its conservative values and since I believe Hillsdale to have some of the best minds and finest people with the best motives of all the people in our country I would like to ask a simple question. Why is it you are allowing the most destructive ideologies to fester it the two most corrupt states, New Youk and California, without declaring a coutural war on them? I ask this question because I'm a simple man with little education, but I know if I had one-tenth of the intellect you people have I would dedicate my life to accomplish that goal. Where am I wrong? I am also a contributor to your college tho of little means.
@nunya inct I hope you mean that cultural war as a good thing, first of all, and the *war* being fought is by a bunch of morons with. O basis behind any of their arguments. The U.S. Left is trying to bring humanity to its knees and ruin all semblance of civilization we have.
@nunya inct Leftist dominate media, education, entertainment". And where are the parents? The blame shifters always blame strangers - professors, media, for "moral decline. Are parents divorced? Do they raise their kids with values and if so, why do their children reject their family values.? I happen to live in a community with a very large Asian population. There are no drugs, teenage pregnancies, acting out, but achieve their goals of high education. The rest of America would do well and try to succeed as our Asian friends have.
@nunya inct Your history is very common. My family had a similar story. "We were not brought up - we were dragged up" is a sad commentary. Our duty is to remember and vow it will be different with our immediate families. Hugs and Best wishes to you and your family...
Conservatives gave up on the culture war decades ago. Now institutional right wing institutes celebrate lgbt causes.
@@violetgruner707 >> You raise a valid point "Where are the parents?"Agree too much divorce, but even intact marriages have a similar problem of a value vacuum. How many discuss with their children what they're learning, from grade school on up? Should have started doing so by the 50s/60s. Now most parents have been indoctrinated with the same issues as their offspring. Should be encouraging their children to be firsthand prime critical thinkers who don't swallow everything whole , esp in school.
I am listening to the Mr. Hanson's lecture of very good quality. Given the time of one hour or so it is comprehensive and accurate. I thank to Mr. Hanson for that.
Great speaker and historian.
what an added crucial information what I had in many decades ago about the second world War, I wanna thank profoundly the Hillsdale College for inviting Victor Hanson for such an amazing lecture!!!!
🌷🌻🌷THAT was a really nice comment!
Not always agreed with Dr. Hansen's political views, but I don't think anybody is better at understanding WWII and teaching things that I know I wouldn't have thought of, or understood, if Dr. Hansen hasn't used his theories on why the war started and why the allies ultimately won.
I love this man. Why is our CONgress not filled with individuals with this level of historical awareness? wisdom is rare in DC; in fact, the ruling elites are determined to drive out independent dynamic leaders . ♥️
Why is Congress not filled with people like this? I answer, because far too many illiterate voters vote for the idiots and for some of the very evil individuals we have in our government. Examples.....Maxine Waters, Nancy Pelosi, Eric Swallwell, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Talib, Cory Bush, Sandy Ocasio aka AOC. More...Barack Obama, Joe Biden, Bill and Hillary Clinton, Chuck Schumer,
You get the picture....the list is unending....the disaster they cause...deadly...see the debacle going on in Afghanistan now.
@@rd9793 you are right..the average voter votes for the name and face they recognize..not the candidate with the most integrity..knowledge or experience. ..Obama and Bill Clinton were groomed to appeal to women voters..I believe anyone who registers to vote should be required to pass a basic test on the Bill of Rights and Constitution and have knowledge on how government works before they can cast a vote
EXCEllent Speach and Great Comment “CONgress” and question! 👏🏽👏🏽👍👍💯🗽🗽🌎🌍
Fantastic… one of the best history lectures and it’s free! Very much applicable to our current geopolitical affairs
I'm glad to see Dr. Hanson as a talking head guest on FOX news now!
Victor Davis is a great man that needs more recognition and someone to see to it that he has well fitting suits. Why is there no one in all of Hillsdale College or in his household to help the poor guy get a suit that fits the respect he deserves?
Funny..
I think he carries. classichimself in the way that "style" is secondary. The man is a
The man is a classic
Lol
At about 19:00, during the Battle of Britain the problem for the RAF was not the lack of Spitfires and Hurricanes, it was the lack of trained fighter pilots. It was very difficult to replace the loss of pilots.
You’re right. And the Polish pilots who made it to England had fought against the Luftwaffe during the invasion of their country. They were instrumental in helping to train new pilots. They shot down more Messerschmitts than any other unit. At the end of the war Stalin demanded that they not be recognized in Britain’s victory parade or elsewhere. Very unfair, but not surprising.
in the bigger picture of the whole war, lack of oil resources, aviation fuel led to vast undertraining of japanese and maybe German pilots. Oklahoma made alot of aviation fuel for whole world and trained many pilots for every one of the allies.
That was an incredible lecture. Victor Davis Hanson is amazing!
He is brilliant. My favorite speaker.
The best summary I ever heard!
An excellent presentation. Informative and truthful
Not a student of Military history but truly appreciated Dr Hanson’s presentation have a renewed sense of the scale we may find find ourselves immersed in again with the current alliance of BRI main characters. Thank you Hillsdale.
Dr Hanson an outstanding mind and presentation, thank you.
Vic tells it best,
"A Soviet citizen is asked by a party member, if he, Citizen X, had three homes would he give two to the State (homeless),
'YES!' he says,
Three cars?
'YES,'
Three Shirts?
'NO!'
the Party member asks,
And why NOT!?....
*'Because I only own three Shirts' ."*
Brilliant mind… thank you for an utterly absorbing and fascinating analysis!
I'm amazed at how many versions of how WW2 happened are in the comments below. I'm pretty sure they must all be correct. The scholarship is amazing.
The view from the cheap seats is always very good!
Great historical analogy… It would be interesting to here this conversation today as it relates to current geopolitical conditions
The leeway Hanson gives the British is stupendous. Not only Britain allowed German rearmament (even before Hitler took power UK pressured France not to pursue reparations Germany stopped paying in 1930.), not only it sold Checoslovakia for nothing, not only it did nothing to support Poland in 1939. it directly brought Norway, Greece and Yugoslavia into war against Germany, blatantly disregarding their sovereignty. It caused hunger in India that killed millions. In the end they sold Poland down the river (again) and intervened in Greek civil war.
British was the worst performing army (tough superb air force and navy) after Italian. British army didn't win a single major battle against Germans or Japanese on it's own, without American help.
Cirkhan
German rearmament was allowed by France, Britain, Russia and the USA. Yes, the USA by trading with Nazi Gerrmany: Ford, General Motors and others. There was no British or French equivalent.
The idea that Britain pressured France not to pursue german reparations is not true. When Germany aproached Britain regarding this matter, Britain's reply was that it was a matter for France and the USA as well. Reparations ended with the US Hoover Moratorium.
Germany attacked Norway first (03.04.194) and Yugoslavia first (06.04.1941) - 'blatantly disregarding their sovereignty'. Fact.
Hunger in India was down to natural causes and the Japanese invasion of Burma.
Britain sell Poland down the river. Hardly, in spite of Nazi offfers, Britain and France stood by Poland in 1939 and went to war. Further, Britain gave shelter to Poles throughout war and for many years afterwards - to this day. When the time came to negotiate with the Russians the USA was the major western player. To blame Britain for Polands situation after the war is evil.
Britain intervene in the Greek Civil War - good for them - history proved them right.
Britain win a battle without US help:
Operation Crusader, Alam El Halfa, El Alamein (x2), Imphal, Khohima and
more...
US victories without British help against Germany were?..
US victories in the real war against Japan - in mainland Asia without British help were?..
If youn come back on here mouthing it off about the British Army I will dig the hole, bury you and chuck the spade away.
I said "allowed", not "facilitated". The fact is that through 1933-39 Germany was in defiant breach of Versailles Treaty on armament and that chief powers in charge-UK and France did not lift a finger to prevent rearmament, even when they could do it simply by establishing economic blockade and occupation of Ruhr.
UK did in fact diplomatically pressure France as early as 1929. not to pursue aggressive means to collect due reparations when Germans publicly raised question of refusing payments with Freiheitsgesetz, and was on a forefront of "light hand approach" toward Germany. Obviously it was easy fort hem, as Britain hadn't been devastated by the war as much of France and Belgium were and they had richer colonies to make good war expenditure.
Germany did attack Norway first, but only after UK navy started laying minefields in neutral Norwegian territorial waters first to disrupt shipping and planned occupation of Norway and Sweden itself (Plan R 4).
Britain also prompted Hitlers decision to get involved in the Balkans by setting air force base in Crete, without any agreement from the Greek government, which was able to fight Italians by itself, but desperately tried not to provoke Germany into the fight, which was exactly the reason Brits invaded Crete in a first place, just like they occupied Thessalonica region without Greek approval in a WWI.
Brits also funded coup in Yugoslavia against treaty it's government was forced to sign with Germany (tough it had other, internal reasons too), in order to provoke Germany into fight with Yugoslavs, even they knew full well Yugoslav army was in no position to put credible resistance, and hadn't lift a figure to provide it with necessary arms and resources.
Civil wars are civil, any foreign power directly intervening in them is aggressor, no matter the reasoning or ideological justifications. Anyway a lot of Greeks still harbor resentment because of it.
Brits almost made hands down stupidest strategic decision in modern history when they concocted plans to bombard Soviet Caucasus oilfields in Operation Pike, thereby guaranteeing entry of SSSR in the war on the side of Axis and loss of war.
Bottom line is that UK was as warmongering as the Germany with as much regard to other peoples sovereignty or national interests as Hitler had.
All the battles you listed were won with considerable aid from the US in materiel and air assets.
US of course didn't fight on a Asian mainland, but Philipines campaign was relatively significant land operation all by it's own.
Hunger in India was almost entirely man-made, or at least way more aggravated, as British simply took majority of food production away to feed their metropola, just like they did in India for decades previously.
Now, you can ban me-of course, it is your prerogative, but the truth is that Britain pursued imperialistic policies which were as callous and opportunistic as Germany's, Japan's or Soviet Union's and that their army was mediocre at best. Although it should be fair to point that RAF was top-notch organization and that RN was (and in my opinion still is) the best in the world, human capital wise.
Cirkhan
Your words in 'single quotes'
‘I said "allowed", not "facilitated". The fact is that through 1933-39 Germany was in defiant breach of Versailles Treaty on armament and that chief powers in charge-UK and France did not lift a finger to prevent rearmament, even when they could do it simply by establishing economic blockade and occupation of Ruhr. UK did in fact diplomatically pressure France as early as 1929. not to pursue aggressive means to collect due reparations when Germans publicly raised question of refusing payments with Freiheitsgesetz, and was on a forefront of "light hand approach" toward Germany. ‘
Total rubbish. German rearmament actually started in the 1920s. Russia actively supported German re-armament, the USA supported the German economy while Germany was rearming. Economic blockade and occupation? With what and how would the rest of the world have reacted? The US created the post war economic order, took its undeserved share of German reparations, then walked away from any responsibility for its actions and then created the world-wide depression. Britain pressurise France! If anyone did it was the USA. The Dawes plan, the Young Plan, the Hoover Moratorium.
‘Obviously it was easy fort hem, as Britain hadn't been devastated by the war as much of France and Belgium were and they had richer colonies to make good war expenditure.’
Yea, we imagined those million plus casualties. Al the economic hardship in the years that followed. Four of my Great Uncles doubtless had no problem with being killed in the First World War.
As for the USA, they really had it tough, they were in the war for a whole year, their homeland was only 2,500 miles from the Germans and they cleaned out the coffers in France and Britain - tragic.
‘Germany did attack Norway first, but only after UK navy started laying minefields in neutral Norwegian territorial waters first to disrupt shipping and planned occupation of Norway and Sweden itself (Plan R 4).‘
So lets hear it again. Who attacked Norway first?.. Over to you. When you have answered that one you should go to Norway and ask Norwegians who they blame for the war. Then visit Trafalgar Square at Christmans to see the Christmas tree that the King of Norway sends over every in recognition of help given to Norway by Britain during the war. Fancy some more about Norway?
‘Britain also prompted Hitlers decision to get involved in the Balkans by setting air force base in Crete, without any agreement from the Greek government, which was able to fight Italians by itself, but desperately tried not to provoke Germany into the fight, which was exactly the reason Brits invaded Crete in a first place, just like they occupied Thessalonica region without Greek approval in a WWI.’
ROTFL. It was the Greek government that requested help from Britain when Italy invaded Greece in 1940. Britain - in line with an undertaking it had given to Greece in 1939 then got involved. This really is simple stuff that anyone should know.
‘Brits also funded coup in Yugoslavia against treaty it's government was forced to sign with Germany (tough it had other, internal reasons too), in order to provoke Germany into fight with Yugoslavs, even they knew full well Yugoslav army was in no position to put credible resistance, and hadn't lift a figure to provide it with necessary arms and resources..
Total rubbish, There is not a shred of evidence.
Civil wars are civil, any foreign power directly intervening in them is aggressor, no matter the reasoning or ideological justifications.
That of course includes the USA.
‘Anyway a lot of Greeks still harbor resentment because of it.’
How so? I have never come across it in Greece. In my experience they interested in the Elgin Marbles.
‘Brits almost made hands down stupidest strategic decision in modern history when they concocted plans to bombard Soviet Caucasus oilfields in Operation Pike, thereby guaranteeing entry of SSSR in the war on the side of Axis and loss of war.’
Get real. Britain was right to investigate any means of aiding its survival in 1940 and 1941. The whole civilised world except Neo Nazis should be thankful that our forebears were so steadfast. But perhaps you do not think so and that you think the Axis were the good guys?
‘/Bottom line is that UK was as warmongering as the Germany with as much regard to other peoples sovereignty or national interests as Hitler had.’
OK. So in the years 1938-45 Britain threatened Czechoslovakia, Poland, Belgium, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Denmark, Russia and so on?
‘All the battles you listed were won with considerable aid from the US in materiel and air assets.’
Total US Lend-Lease supplies amounted to 11% of Britain’s needs across the war years. Is that considerable?
‘US of course didn't fight on a Asian mainland, but Philipines campaign was relatively significant land operation all by it's own. ‘
Britain is the size of the US State of Oregon and has the population of just the US States of California and Texas. Its obvious whose efforts were the more laudable.
‘Hunger in India was almost entirely man-made, or at least way more aggravated, as British simply took majority of food production away to feed their metropola, just like they did in India for decades previously.’
Successive bad harvests and the Japanese invasion of Burma caused major food shortages. We got our food from the likes of Argentina, Australia, Canada and New Zealand.
‘Now, you can ban me-of course, it is your prerogative’
Why would I do that? You are cheap entertainment.
‘but the truth is that Britain pursued imperialistic policies which were as callous and opportunistic as Germany's, Japan's or Soviet Union's.
But that would equally apply to France, Belgium, The Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, the USA and others. Reasonable people would see the difference between their policies and the Nazi / Japanese killing frenzy of the war years. Presumably you cannot.
‘and that their army was mediocre at best. Although it should be fair to point that RAF was top-notch organization and that RN was (and in my opinion still is) the best in the world, human capital wise.’
Yea right-ho. Britain, wisely as it turned out, put the bulk of its resources in the RAF and the Royal Navy.The army came last in the allocation of resources. In 1938 it informed the government that it would not be ready for a general war until 1941. War came in 1939, France collapsed in 1940, the army had to be ready to defend Britain, go to the Middle East, and then the Far East. Overstretched? Yes. Mediocre? How can any properly informed person reach such a conclusion?
For you: 1/10 for effort. Now go off and study some history.
Awesome & Fascinating discussion, from a neighbor fella....I live in Fresno!!!!
Thank you. A wealth of information the importance behind and preceding critical thinking.
Lecture starts at 9:17.
At 11:47, "Twenty-seven thousand people died every year ..." I think he meant to say every DAY.
Indeed, and 'year' would be terrible enough.
@War Child dumb comment.
@War Child Your ignorance is mind boggling
Nobody puurrrfict
Every day - he said that in a previous lecture I watched, I multiplied it by the numbers of days in five years and it worked out to bout 60 million.
Absolutely excellent Mr. HANSON..very well explained..clear and concise..😁👍
Interwar literature according to Hanson: The French: We don't want another Somme. The Germans: We want another Somme. The reality: The German anti-war novel "All quiet on the Western front" sold 1.5 million copies in its first year in a nation of 60 million.
So there was one copy of AQOTWF sold in Germany for every 40 Germans. Doesn’t sound like a big groundswell of anti-war sentiment to me.
The Japanese were fighting a divided country, peasants, and a very young Soviet Union rising from the ashes of Stalin's infamous purges. The British lacked knowledge of their tactics falling for their bluff. But when the Soviet Union faced them full force there was no contest, obliterating the very best imperial forces like a knife through butter.
Like a knife through butter? Maybe in 1944, but before that the front truly was a meat grinder and a war of attrition.
"The Soviet Union made a deal with everyone at one point or another. But, never broke any of its deals with the Axis powers."
Not entirely true. They made a non-aggression pact with Japan. But, after the first atom bomb was dropped, they declared war on Japan and invaded Manchuria with a million and a half troops. When comes to what prompted Japan to surrender when it did, there is a mythology that the atomics bombs alone were what made Japan quit. Which is not true. The soviet invasion of Manchuria frightened the Japanese. Being aware of the ravages of the soviet army in Germany, and knowing what sort of transformations occur in the wake of a communist takeover, they feared that if they held out long enough for an American invasion, it would drag out the war long enough to bring soviet troops in an invasion of the home islands. They decided they would quit to the Americans and thus stand a better chance of preserving their culture and emperor system, rather than lose it all under a soviet occupation.
Objective History.
Awestruck. Such insight can not be ignored
Learnt great insight from Professor Hanson. On the other hand, as he said, the outcome was pretty much obvious from the very start.
The points about the civilian death toll being bigger than the death toll for the soldiers is a very interesting concept. And the idea of how the war was waged against civilians.
This is why the right to bear arms is so very important! People should talk about this relationship of how that worked in WW2 more to help people wake up to preserving their freedoms.
And I also feel there's a relationship between freedom of religion and the right to bear arms, also; and free speech.
Thanks for the video!
I also feel this is why the white POPULATION is dwindling, we had to fight in so many wars, and now white people that are young, feel children will ruin the planet! This is incredibly SAD!
stardustgirl Stefan molyneux has done some good pieces on the toll of WWI & WWII and it removing many of the more intelligent and stronger male lines from reproduction and family.
The 2nd Amendment protects the 1st. Modern liberals tend to think that government can be trusted, or they want to disarm the country for a communist revolution
Your way of using historical facts as arguments for the right to bear arms is seriously flawed because you are confusing wartime with peace. In wartime every person carrying arms becomes a legitimate target from an army's point of view. That will only lead to more flattening of cities during wartime because no army would need infantry to take a city where the population have the right to carry arms and therefore becomes a legitimate target. No soldier could be put on trial afterwards for war atrocities.
@@jamesj.4323 Your argument assumes that our enemies play by the rules and get put on trial, they don't.
But, that is not the point, which you are missing entirely. The point is that the founders put the 2nd Amendment in, so a large degree, to safeguard the 1st Amendment, a bulwark against tyranny. This protects us from our own government, for a foreign army, should they become to malevolent. A disarmed populace is easy to control
I do seem to recall that the UK's Commonwealth allies (Canada, Australia, etc) were also in WWII from beginning to end.
Yup, and actually they hated every moment of it. Australia and New Zealand were still traumatized from Galipoli. They also don't like the English centrist commanders who prioritized Europe rather than Asia. I lived in NZ and you can see this from their museum how they are more proud of winning the war against the Japanese rather than the German. Which is sad because NZ troops also fought bravely in Greece, North Africa and Middle East. Canada get the most unfair treatment from English historian. Canada never hesitate to mobilize their population, they were the best performing commonwealth troops in both WW1 and WW2, and they also supply England with countless materials. And as a return, they are barely even mentioned in WW2 history.
@@anggib561 Actually there were serious issues with Canadian mobilisation (especially in Quebec) to the point where the government had to decide between using the Canadian population in combat or in production because they just couldn't mobilise the men needed to do both without serious political and social problems.
Australia and NZ were more personally threated by the Japanese so their propaganda was more heavily focused on them, they were also more important in the east because the east had a serious deficit of trained and competent soldiers whereas the west did not. The Australians and New Zealanders also had much worse opinions of the Japanese than the Germans as they argued that British involvement in a continental war with Germany over Poland was stupid whereas an attack by Japan on Australian holdings in Papua was actually something everyone could get behind.
The best performing Commonwealth troops excluding the British were the Australians. They saved not only the Africa Campaign but also managed to stall out the Japanese momentum in Papua. Some Canadian units were pretty good in WW1, but in terms of quality the professional British units were by far the best trained and most competent units in the Commonwealth. By the time conscription rolls around in WW1 basically everyone starts to suck because the training was a mess and the quality of units plummeted due to the loss of the pre-war trained units.
Canada's major contribution was aircraft and armoured vehicle construction, without which both the Battle of Britain and the Africa Campaign would have gone rather poorly.
@Gayle Elizabeth I think the bit I least understand is why she calls the English commanders centrists :/
A good lecture.
Great clear and original thinking. Excellent presentation of facts.
32:52 An amazing time of four years !
It took the entire world to overwhelm a country slightly bigger than Main four years ?
How can this be amazing ?
This should be required viewing in every Jr. High School, and it would probably be good in Germany too. ;-)
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This is amazing❤ Speaks to my creation💃My father (to be💕) enlisted in CB's when Japs bomed Hawaii (to be deployed in 1 year) so my "to be Mother" agreed to marry him before he left💃💕🤠✌️ In 45 when I was born he was in Honolulu as an "ElectritionsMate" at the hospital in Aia, (Feb 9, 1945) So, I have always been in awe of what the U.S.A.
MILITARY has given to the world🤑💕🇺🇲👍
I love that you show respect for your military. In Britain, our government allows returning soldiers to be spat on by people they invited into our nation then imprisons those that complain
The chickens always come home to roost. And government are left wondering why no one supports them when they really need it.
According to your most famous General, the hounarable Mr Patton claimed, "we fought the wrong side".I think his insight into WW2 would be better than any lecturer today.If WW2 started to protect Polish independence, then why did it end up in Soviet hands, along with the rest of Eastern Europe.
Patton was a bit of a right wing fascist and war lover.
Yeah the Poland thing is one that never occurred to me all through my historical education right up until undergrad level, despite it being such an obvious inconsistency in the narrative.
Britain just had to declare war on Germany to protect Poland, but somehow the Soviet invasion of Poland was fine lol.
you really think ww2 was about "protecting" poland? hjahahahaahahahahah
@@ang47 you really think death camps and the mass murder of children is a good thing? Hahahshshshahah
@@JG-ib7xk you're dumb af
it would be Fascinating to hear his thots on Korea Vietnam and why peace never worked (yet) in Israel (seperately with details as above) .. it's always a pleasure to listen to VDH .. i wish someone in physics or engineering would have his insightfulness about the Standard Model regarding its weaknesses - and - from a reliability standpoint why both Shuttle disasters were avoidable (i have attempted both but don't have his authoritativeness nor respect in either field) ...
Are you a physicist Mr. Salvatore? I suppose by now you know that:
1.The first Shuttle accident was due to political considerations instead of sound policy re materials suppliers, like Morton Thiokol.
I believe they never suspected unsuitable polymers would lose their elastomeric character, in the extreme cold, as failed O-rings and
2. The lack of proper maintenance and upgrading of heat-resisting, re-entry cubes would cause the second episode.
Regards.
I think Victor is the best teacher ever}!!!
Lecture starts at 09:13
Streamed live on Sep 12, 2017 ---> CZcams hides the date occasionally...
Really good stuff!!
thank u for your studies and education knowledge to others
is the 9 minute intro really necessary?
I love Hillsdale, but I agree on this point.
Always fast forward until you get to the actual speaker.
nope
These speeches don't happen spontaneously and an intellect the quality of professor Hanson's calls for acknowledgement. Editing out the kind words of the introduction to the attending audience would be a disservice to a great man, especially considering that you can easily skip the acknowledgements should they not be of interest to you. Some folks appreciate the context of discourse and introductory speakers provide that context.
The Eternal Hermit.
Yes.. You are 100% correct but that intro was aimed at a live, sitting there audience.
Even so, I gotta agree that it was a bit much.
It wasn't necessarily the Wehrmacht that was fighting on the Eastern Front. The Waffen SS was a large part of the fighting force there. This included foreign fighters from many different nations, including the United States. I worked with a Sudeten German. When Germany annexed the Sudetenland, he volunteered of the Waffen SS. He was captured by the Russians and was one of the few to be repatriated. It is a long story and he is likely dead now since most of them are long gone.
Hardly a large part. You're talking about a half dozen divisions out of the better part of 100
There were many, but clearly not enough! Germans didn't have enough production capability anywa
he explains it very clear ----good job
'Those who know history are bound to repeat it'
Not exactly acurate quote, but I get the message👍
@@LoricFox ... that was actually my attempt at lame humor.... As in VDH knows history so well, he's bound to repeat it
These triggered NatSocs and Wehrbs are hilarious. Makes watching Hanson’s lectures even better.
Yeah, good thing we saved the world for trans kids, gay sex apps and third world immigration flooding the West.
OWNED NAZIS
Nobody is worried about third worl migration but islamic immigration.
@@eclipsesolar8345 It's stupid to think everything that exists today is a result of the allies winning ww2
To be fair, I think the rise of ‘wehraboos’ is a push back from the characterization of the Wehrmacht as bumbling Nazi fools that were at the same time so evil that nothing positive could come from them. I can’t defend some of the things they say but at least for me that’s how I see it.
The idea of the Second World Wars is the best analysis of the conflict(s) I've ever heard.
This man's a genius. He should be famous.
@TheMozzaok Thanks for your comment. Sounds good !
Outstanding. And absolutely correct.
Excellent summary.. Wish I could have had this explained to me when I studied History at school
Please someone get this fine man a pin on microphone before he makes a pretzel out of the one in front of him.
This is so good im super interested and im glad.
If you wish to skip the intros, Victor Davis Hanson begins speaking at 9:14.
Absolutely brilliant as always. 👌👍
God bless our veterans of all wars
Excellent!!!
Ita really quite simple folks, whenever a VDH lecture pops up you click on it
There wasn't a WW2 ,WW1 never really ended. I look at it as one big war with a pause..
I think the French PM whose name I won't try to spell said of Versailles Treaty - It's not a peace treaty, it's a 20 year cease fire.
“We lost the war the day we entered Kiev, by refusing to raise the Ukrainian flag over the Lavra".
Marshal Erich von Manstein
I'll bet he didn't say that at the time it happened
The great irony is that of the Germans had just shown a little decency to people crushed under the boot of communism they could have won in the East.
And after the war was over they could have bought all the land and peacefully acquired their Lebensraum.
@@jdg9999 BUT THEY DIDN'T....the obsession with race and IQ was their folly.
@@jdg9999 it's not quite so simple. The Wehrmacht needed plunder in order to sustain themselves due to food shortages caused by socialist policies back home. Therefore, peace with locals was nearly impossible from the very start.
Thankyou. VDH is fascinating speaker.
Prof. Hansen's observation about the relative willingness of the Allies to cooperate, and the lack of cooperation of the Axis, resonates with a broader reading of history: early victors in long wars, tend to develop a sense of overconfidence; while the side that suffers early losses, tends to be more wary and open to examining their own faults. In WW2, some junior officers in the Japanese armed forces called this phenomenon "Victory Disease".
I wonder if/how this maps, in a broader sense, to entire societies that develop Great Power status. The American Empire, at present, seems to exhibit obvious symptoms of "We're number one!" which prevents it from undertaking the proper self-examinations and course corrections needed.
Where's Richard Simmons when you need him?