Revolutionizing Agriculture with 5th World’s Passive Solar Greenhouse
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- čas přidán 27. 07. 2024
- Rob gives us a behind the scenes look at the Morningside's Passive Solar Greenhouse, explaining all the systems that allow this greenhouse to run all year round with almost no additional energy output!
Rob Avis is a Personal Engineer. He designs resilient, ecologically engineered, integrated systems for landowners and businesses to sustainably thrive.
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Introduction
0:48 Passive Solar Greenhouse
1:22 Solar Wall
2:39 Subterranean Heating and Cooling System
3:30 Greenhouse Plans
4:19 Power systems/Emergency Power
5:20 Heat Recovery Ventilator
5:59 Root Cellars
6:46 Earth Tubes
8:07 Commercial Kitchen
8:29 Greenhouse Integrated Heating System
10:03 Greenhouse Integrated Air System
Really informative! Love the integration on geothermal and renewables. This kind of hybrid approach is how we need to think about buildings in general - especially energy intensive ones.
Brilliantly low tech !! 5 stars !! Genius.
I will need to watch this video again to fully absorb all of your complimentary design elements.
I love this system!!!
You have made some really interesting changes since the early models. I hope to see one of your builds on day!
So inspiring! Looking at building a scaled down version off the side off the side of my natural build home I am currently designing.
Really impressive bro,you should sell them around the world 🤟🤟🤟🤟❤️❤️❤️
Wow what an awesome video I’ve been looking for this for a while. I don’t know why I haven’t seen this? I want to know plans because I would like to build one for my backyard
Hi, Rob. I'm currently taking the Verge Permaculture Design Certification course (Fall 2023). This design is, in principle, exactly what I have envisioned for my property. The only thing missing is the laundry room! Thinking you can prepare food, wash your dishes, and have your laundry going at the same time! So, would it make sense to also integrate the greywater from the washer, and, possibly heat and humidity from the clothes dryer? (Ideally, sure, you'd dry your clothes on a line, but that takes a lot more time, and may not always be practical under certain weather conditions.) In my current situation, I am constantly struggling for time, and being able to multitask for instance, doing kitchen work and laundry at the same time, is always a plus! I welcome your feedback.
Just add a bedroom and I'd live here! Looks wonderful. Two questions -- What was the overall cost for this project? And what do you do about pollinators in a subtropical greenhouse? Thanks!
I have the same question. Very cool, but seems rather complicated - and perhaps expensive? - for the average person?
Very facinating take on a passive 4 seasob greenhouse!
Clear and concise. Thank you. This has been most useful.
Liked the solar wall with the small holes to collect the heat. The whole setup is absolutely mouthwatering, but what are the costs?
Which institution paid for the green house.
@@halfabee
The problem with socialism/authoritarian systems is it makes capital accumulation for the little guy more difficult because it's taxed away. In authoritarian systems it's the bureaucrats who determine what gets produced and how much.
Trudeau/Castro said he admired the Chinese Communist Party because they can turn their economy around on a dime. The only problem with that is Xi Jinping/the central bankers are turning it right into the ground.
I heard it cost close to a million dollars....
This is rich kid's playhouse. Not possible for normal people to achieve due to digging, concrete, electrical cost. Over $800K last time I checked.
I suspect you could scale this down for less money.
Absolutely brilliant, hopefully many more designs like this can come in the future!
Wow, that is a very high tech low tech system…. Passive solar is definitely the way of the future…🎉
Thanks for the content. Interesting passive solar and geothermal solutions. My suggestion is to look into using bifacial solar panels as greenhouse roof panels and outdoor vertical fence panels to generate electricity. The prices of these bifacial panels are competitive with the older single face panels. I like the micro ag model and like the ideas mentioned in the Utah guy Butterfly Energy site and YT channel for utilizing bifacial solar panels for energy production to support agriculture production.
Not a bad green house you got there, but I still think the one created by “secret greenhouse of survival “ is better. Just type in secret green house of survival in a CZcams search section to find it fairly simple. It’s an excellent video. He’ll all his videos are excellent highly recommend watching them all.
Very nice. The wall that you are calling a "solar wall" seems to work like a Trombe wall, in that it absorbs heat from sunlight and delivers it into your space. But instead of doing this via a thermal mass, you're heating air and recirculating it. Very clever.
Koool design features. I have an added feature or two that I designed and consult on.
Perfect design and it is a master piece
Ingenious! I am always blown away and bursting with enthusiasm after watching your videos. Thank you so much for the priceless knowledge and ideas that you share. I am very grateful and feel very fortunate to be included in this community. Much love and many blessings 🙏💞
This is such an amazing real-world stress-test application of what I'm working on down in rural-Vancouver as an alternative to conventional banking.
Thank you for piling more hope on the fire!
I love the greenhouse design.. but I can't help but wonder with the space requirements for Olive and Avocado trees how long it will take to recover the investment cost.
Avocados and olives will never produce enough to “pay” for a geothermal electric greenhouse, especially at 800 sq ft scale. Olives are a really poor choice, maybe you can get $1 / sq ft, but I doubt it.
@@glennscott8622 I don't think he's a food producer lol. He must be a chef so he sell the food hundreds or thousands times the gardener's price when transforming it into restaurant food.
So I looked it up, Rob is the engineer. The client is either a chef or just a entry-level-rich dude.
Looks insanely expensive. Most problems are simple to solve if you can throw enough money at them.
You aren't going to get much thermal storage beyond the first day or two of heat sink usage. The area surrounding the single pipe will quickly acclimate and then your thermal differential is lost and efficiency tanks. Not sure how you ran the numbers on this but I sure wish I could have helped challenge you concepts before you got this far into it. You still have functional ventilation, which is good...but the thermal battery isn't really happening with this setup. Definitely not seasonal storage, that would require orders of magnitude more surface area and an ideal storage substrate. I would recommend using compost heating for the greenhouse, you will also get CO2 boost from that. Not trying to be a buzzkill, just pointing out some engineering blindspots.
Glad I'm not the only one who has doubts that a single black wall can store heat as well as this requires.
Verge Permaculture has done the research and engineering. If they say it's going to store heat seasonally, it will.
@@sergarrick They use an underground climate battery as thermal mass.
@@alexanderdekeuyper2990 yep.
The activity in the kitchen is another input that needs a thorough test run. If the system was purely geothermal I would agree that the thermal storage isn’t large enough. However, being tied to the kitchen, having unspoken supplement through the heat exchanger/pump, added biomass of plants and human activity, and zones that can be manipulated for troubleshooting, there are too many variables to call it a failure with only this video as reference.
I'd love to see a glasshouse that has, glass on all six sides!!!
That being said, I love this design.
Four walls and two roof pitches. I was confused at first too, like is there a glass floor?
that's is absolutely epic, I would love to see an equivalent system developed for topical climate in order to regulate the internal condition inside a greenhouse
isn that way easier? so much heat and solar energie available?
What did you build the roof beams out of? Looking at building a passive solar/geothermal greenhouse later this year or early next spring. Intent is to grow citrus and other other subtropical plants.
Your design looks like it will work well. I expect you will have great success. I would love to use this design for a home. I only wish I could afford it.
the kitchen should be like 5 x smaller, root cellar also; from a greenshouse this big 1 family will eat almost everything in the season, very little will be left for storage; i dont c a point in combining a greenhouse with a kitchen and a cellar, you could afford a greenhouse 3 times as big instead and actually have a chance to be kinda self sufficient in food
Excellent. Costs?
While fun and novel, growing citrus 🍊 in winter climate geothermal battery electric greenhouses is going to be very difficult to make pencil out. 800 sq ft is a personal use greenhouse; awesome for a family, but it’s not commercial scale. Olives are grown in low wage countries on marginal land for a reason, their production per square ft isn’t going to get close to even citrus. A Cara Cara Orange tree would need at least 100 sq ft and at best might produce up to 100lbs in those conditions. At $5/lb that’s $5 / sq ft or $4,000 top line for the whole greenhouse. That said, this is a very cool project, done at a rather high level of sophistication. I hope you come up with a great mix of plantings that will benefit your family for years to come.
It isn't commercial obviously
Ozenated air can be run through your earth/air tubes. This will prevent any growths and extend stored foods shelf life.
That's a fantastic design! 🥰 Unfortunately, our town's building official would never approve something like that. I can still dream, though.
Build it anyways …… birds don’t need permission to build nests. Even worms don’t need permission to burrow holes …. So why should you need to ask permission to build something that achieves all of the UN Sustainability design goals Look it up… your government has signed up to the 17 goals Just demonstrate to any ‘interested;’ officials how your design meets those goals and you’ll be fine (in my opinion)
Get new officials.
@@thekinarbo If I could fire him, I would!
@@DJ-uk5mm Maybe not go ahead and build, but if you can put together a case like that, and if it's rejected, go to the superior and message a few members of an opposition political party to call that out...
@@j377yb33n This is a reasonable approach!
Very nice. Are you selling plans for this type of greenhouse and any possible options? Would it make sense to put this type of greenhouse in parts of Alaska?
WOW I love this design. Beautiful Concept, even more so that it is Canadian. Curious why horizontal earth tubes were chosen instead of vertical?
Ok so if the system makes the ground freeze harder year over year... Wouldn't you eventually end up with it frozen year round? Like permafrost?
For everyone wonder about cost and the complicated nature of this greenhouse, this may be helpful: czcams.com/video/ZD_3_gsgsnk/video.html The guy in this video has been doing this for 20 years or so. It's the same concept but not as fancy or expensive.
It's amazing but how much would you need to grow to pay off the building costs...
Probably about as expensive as loading avocados on a plane and flying them to Canada
Great video an amazing greenhouse! May I ask the ish price and cost of it?
This is a very interesting topic and the video is well done. I wonder if you might upload a version of it without the background music?
This is amazing stuff. I want to work with you. I have four years experience in agriculture and horticulture and a B.S.
Old technology made modern. But left out of this conversation is the build cost. $1 million plus (my guess) to can vegetables seems steep and not sure how a business would reclaim that initial build expense to justify this process.
Any chance you'll make the building and material plans available for others to study?
Where are you growing the food for those huge root cellars, obviously not on that tiny greenhouse space?
Incredible! Is there a way to put most of this design into a kit that can more readily be distributed to all those that are planning to setup a greenhouse, but don't have the skills to fully research and design all the micro and macro systems that go into something as sophisticated as this?
I believe there is and I'd like to make available home scale passive solar greenhouse kits. I've been a fan of Rob's work for a few years and I see a need that should be filled.
@@cupbowlspoonforkknif That would interest me, if you do come up with kits.
Very interesting, but is not it maybe too small for all the food to grow?
So how many kwh of heat energy can you actually store? I bet it's more like a buffer than actual long term heat storage, the perforated black wall is smart and i will probably use it on my next build.
Great integration of system , but what is the overall cost of construction?
Not for average poor middle class people. This is rich people's playhouse, over $1M. The video creator won't tell you that of course.
Great I’ve been researching walipini and earth battery greenhouses for few years. And this is a great iteration ……. Well done. ……. I’ll be building one next year
Look great but questioning the cost to food output ratio?
In that radon is naturally occurring and more or less omnipresent, have you installed radon detectors and if so, what are their counts? If the counts are too high (conceivable, you're literally sucking air in from the ground), what remediation solution have you generated?
In this type system there is no air exchange with the ground. (in theory)
What happens if the earth aint warming up the green house in the winter time and brings cold into the system its hard to purdge the system with hot air when there aint any
hey, what about mold, is it possible for it to gather beneath greenhouse in those pipes ? i've seen few people claiming that mold as an issue in geothermal battery. i would like to hear from profesional, thanks!
I do not know what they do but I have a commercial fogger and blow hydrogen peroxide mist though my system. I then have a towel cover basket over the outflow to catch any remaining mist.
I guess mould is possible but it's never been an issue for us in five years. So far, so good!
Amazing! Thank you for sharing.
This all looks so cool but who can afford to build such a monster? I mean with all the computer controlled valves and fans and such. I wonder what that whole thing costs and really how many decades before it would pay itself off if ever. I like the one I saw in Nebraska that was way cheaper and still grew tropical fruit I. The winter
Awesome greenhouse looks expensive tho me and my gargoyles just dig the caves deeper cant let humans see us
Oh that's how the 1% put food by
I don't understand how is it possible to store energy for 6 months to release it later. How do you simulate that? Doesn't the energy dissipate in the earth to equalize anyway?
If you had this system on the side of you house, would it be taxed as living space? If so, that needs to change.
What did it cost?
As we watch the calamity that the wind farm is near to us, this brightened my day! Your concepts come to life! It's awesome.
It looks great but what is the cost of initial investment here? Fundamentally the quantity of growing space you currently have set up looks far from adequate, you had about 6 beds total! Doesn't really look like a system which has productivity in mind, more or a novelty of tech to me.
Like why on earth is there like 2x more preserving and kitchen space than growing space? I don't think we're facing preservation and preparation problems going into the future, we're facing food issues...
how much did it cost?
They won't tell you because it is not for poor people. This costs over $1M.
@@residuevideos If they "won't tell", how do so many people claim to know it costs over a million?
my guess costs are upward of 1.5 million or more...how sustainable is that for most...
What did you do to calculate that price tag? This may be a somewhat pricier version of the concept, but I think it could be done for far cheaper than a million.
These people are doing nothing but flaunting their expensive, over built projects that waste so much space and cannot run without everything being automated with electronics. For the money spent they could have simply built a medium sized underground storage area and stocked it with enough food to last 100 years! The average person can't afford to build one of these - we need people who can design systems that can be built with minimal expense, are DIY, and do not have high energy requirements to run. Three things were blatantly obvious - 1) the tiny amount of growing space compared to the size of the greenhouse enclosure, 2) the massive kitchen area to process the small amount of food that would be generated by the small growing space, and 3) if one portion of the electronics failed it would likely cost more to repair than all of the food produced in one season. I also question WHY is so much of this facility entirely above ground? The only thing that needs to be above ground is the greenhouse window area. One of the best setups I've found is where the entire house is inside the greenhouse - www.cbsnews.com/media/5-greenhouses-that-are-actually-homes/
@@Rattlerjake1 I agree with you're argumentation however the examples you've linked to aren't accessible to the average joe neither.
@@ottodidakt3069 - Actually they are. What I linked to are examples only. That doesn't mean that you have to build something that huge and expensive. People need to use a little imagination and ingenuity and learn how to modify. What we see on most of these youtube homesteading sites is a couple or family that takes a bare piece of land and builds a HUGE house and use all kinds of expensive construction equipment, new tractors, etc. to do everything, they can only do this because they make a lot of money from CZcams. Where is the person who builds a large greenhouse FIRST and then builds their MODERATE-sized home inside it.
@@Rattlerjake1 One nation has already done that by means of mass production by producing HOT STAMPED PARTS and modularization of the greenhouse designs and engineered to be highly scalable and using Ekor plastic impregnated synthetic mica glass fabric and has an external expanded metal mesh cover against hailstones. But it cannot be exported to America because of the
Anti-Russian Sanctions. It was meant for dachas as large as 1 acre to 2.5 acres or 1 hectare. You will not find it in any advertisements, even in Russia, because it is only advertised by word of mouth for the product sells by itself.
We are grossly misinformed about industrial pollution and power generation to have a survivable industry and society.
heavy on theory but, where are the living plants?
It’s just being finished. He mentioned that in the video.
@@Shaboynga never mind it is theoretical. IF the plant were there You could't explain it.
Actually the object seems to be to get empirical data now that the building is complete. Monitoring results will demonstrate its function under actual conditions. The theoretical part of the study, which led to the building's design is over.
@@aidanbyrne7043 till there will be plants
So smart !!! so inspiring !!!
Ahhhhh that mean no hungering on this world because of the weather.
Seem technology can be reversed in Africa and people can have food!!!
Only 34k view 1.6 sub oh my goodness because of CZcams do not recommend your video .No hot booty no hot boob's at the thumbnail . Great youtube algorithm 👍👍🤣🤣
Sadly when you look inside ( there are no growing plants unless you are growing straw) This is true for 99% of these type of year around growing green houses on you tube no food but the materals and design are pretty.
Hi. He noted in the video that it's still under construction, and they'll be planting shortly. He did the tour before the plants were in the way so we could see the systems better.
Fun project but the underlying philosophy is diametrically opposed to your swales project.
One is low tech, elegant, practical, natural and economical. The other is complex, expensive, reliant on electronics and specialised materials.
And frankly, I do not understand why you need to grow avocados and olives (!!) in a barn in northern BC...
almost passive.
the plants are thriving ! 😐
watch out the thieves (animals) come through the door when you open it
yep the pesky sellers come through your door to steal all what you think you own
On of my big dreams is to build a geothermal greenhouse a lot like this, BUT, I want tropical temps for exotic fruits, tilapia, and freshwater prawns growing in an AQUAPONICS SYSTEM (In the Pacific Northwest). I want to take advantage of a little known amazing solar water heating invention to heat the water of the aquaponics system. The amazing solar hot water system works all the time, even at night in temperatures as low as -10 degrees Celsius. The New Zealand "The Alternative Energy Company" makes these amazing solar water heaters.
There's so many ideas to take from this. But TBH, unless I win the lotto, I'd never be able to replicate anywhere near to it. Wayyy too much money for an indeterminate payback period.
The music in the background was killing my neurons. One wonder what type of brainwashing our kids are going through... couldn’t finish the video.
Wow this looks like some big money spent here
That's great but should be done without halogenated vinyl or halogenated carbon manufacturing pollution or hazardous waste burners. These molecules are the primary causes of global warming and global infertility. These serious and persistent damaging effects of chemical weapons manufacturing use and disposal burning was supposed to be eliminated by the US EPA mission under treaty enforcement and obligations. No halogenated vinyl or halogenated carbon manufacturing use or disposal burning. Certainly what has been done here can be done without plastic paint solvent and fire retardant. Edison generators AKA permanent magnet motor as a generator and dynamos brushless motors as generators can replace fossil fuels and nuclear power plants or grid power. The very important quality of survivable industry is no plastic manufacture pollution and no nuclear technology
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CO2 is not a problem. The atmosphere needs more CO2, not less. CO2 never has and never will drive changes in climate.
Also, the result of a sexually debauched society is fewer children. Women don't want to have children if they're busy whoring around. I believe godless sodomites is the term to describe them.
I don't know what you're trying to suggest with motors and generators but it sounds a lot like a perpetual-motion scheme. If you believe in perpetual motion I have some magic beans to sell you.