Patch 3.22.0a - How Rare Are Those Precious Cargos From ERTs Now? & A Mediocre Patch? | Star Citizen
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
- My first impression for this new patch is very unimpressive, but it is not a major patch. However, there are a lot of bug fixes, and especially the cargo loots balance, so in this video we will check out some bug fixes and test how rare are those precious cargos from ERT missions, stay tuned.
Star Citizen Alpha 3.22.0a LIVE.9035564
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00:00 3.22.0a - Featured updates
01:17 3.22.0a - Bug fixes
02:57 3.22.0a - Siege of Orison bug fixes
04:07 Cutter rumbler QT fuel change
04:40 MSR in MRT is fixed
05:09 ERT mission cargo looting test
08:35 Weevil eggs are rare now but still can be found
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The 890 Jump had a fair bit of Gasping Weevil Eggs, and I think that's much more reasonable. You still have a chance to score big, but not ridiculously big.
And not just run after run of millions and millions in cargo. It was obviously over-the-top and anyone being honest knew it.
Right. It was the same back when it was Salvage misssions that had ships cargo worth up to tens upon tens of millions of dollars. The people who got rich off of it were the main ones begging CIG to pump the brakes because its TOO much.@@kylecrane4376
Yep, 10 SCU's of weevil eggs; seems fair for something to occasionally stumble upon. It's still a good method of making money if you prefer the ship combat loops . Since you;ll be doing a lot of that. And get to maybe engage in PVP too depending on sell conditions.
I have also found eggs. 11 SCU on a 890
That's not reasonable for the grind. It's a high risk and expensive task to even get to erts. Then to say " maybe 1 in 10 will have a mil or 2"...the risk is no longer worth it, the allure of a lottery ticket is gone.
There's a better way to do it, and this actually shows HOW disconnected they really are.
They could've done an auec wipe....and made the unicorn odds 1 in 100 or even 250.
It would at least show an understanding and attempt at balance for the sake of FUN.
That’s exactly how I was feeling with the patch when I got on excited but nothing seems to be better. Thanks for your videos.❤
My pleasure!
there was 10 gasping weevil eggs in that 890 as well as 20 altruciatoxins(only 5k a pop)EDIT- nvm just got to the end you pointed it out lol
Thanks for the video!
I really don't understand all of these patches they do to adjust the "economy".... there is no economy until we have crafting, player trading, and simulated supply & demand from the AI. The money doesnt mean anything right now. It's just a time sink blocking your ability to test new ships.
90% of the people aren't "testing" new ships, but playing with new ships. Sadly, most people don't provide any sort of bug feedback to Spectrum, so there is no testing actually going on and no improvement for the game
@@theMedicatedCitizen Fair enough, but that wasn’t really the crux of my point. The reality is that there is no economy. Ships are the only credit sink, and there are no market forces being applied. It’s just the equivalent of EXP gain right now. Gain enough EXP, unlock new ship. Without the some fundamental economic additions, the tweaks they are making at effectively meaningless and cannot possibly provide substantial insight about the eventual reality of the economy in the finished game.
At @6:25 you can see that the 890 Jump had 10 scu of Gasping Weevil Eggs. So it's in the loot pool but much more unlikely and at greatly decreased quantity. Don't know if quantanium was in the loot pool before but it seems like a number of the ships had 1scu of that.
Over all pretty bummed about that change. Was a fun game loop to work both sides of the law.
It still can be a fun game loop, except now you'll earn about the same as other jobs. That was the point. You shouldnt be able to make 40 million in half an hour that was just silly.
@@D0CBEE agree the way it worked was totally broken but you can still earn decent 1-2mil from salvage in an hour which is a super low risk task. And comparing to salvage, bounty should be rewarded a bit higher, that's just what my logic dictates me :)
With the fix in place we can barely make it 50% to the level of reward for salvage, yet have higher expanses due to potential damage, some risk (I guess it will be much higher in the future, when we get decent AI and server fps). Long story short, kinda sucks..
@@diokhans.3504I did 6 ERT's in about 80 minutes last night after the patch dropped and made 2 million auec, I don't think it's an issue
A little clarification about my feelings on the game loop: My buddy and I never reached ERT missions but we had a lot of fun doing VHRTs which were far less lucrative (mostly widow, slam, neon, altruciatoxin, RMC, and a lucky haul of 10-15 Maze very very rarely).
The real fun was working together trying to empty cargo as fast as possible so no one could jump us, hopping/scouting over to one of four-ish possible sale locations and then dodging potential pirates while one person ran security and the other ran to the terminal to sell.
It was a great game loop not just for the payout but for all the different parts of the game that you engaged with to get that payout (ship combat to beat the bounty, ev/cargo/inventory management, smuggling/cargo hauling, pvp ship combat, exploration, fps, even salvage if you wanted to do that too).
In the videos I’ve seen it doesn’t look like there is much in the way of middle of the road vices in the loot pool, seems to be a bunch of legal goods and then occasionally small amounts of a single vice whose type varies by bounty difficulty. (Note: I haven’t had a chance to try it out for myself yet. So please tell me that I’m wrong cause I’d love for that to be the case)
With mostly legal goods there’s less reason to go the scrap yards and less pirating opportunity which means less fps/ship pvp opportunity and so on.
It feels now like it’s better or easier to just do game loop on loop over and over which is, imo, the bummer.
TLDR: this game loop had you doing lots of other game loops at once with a good incentive to do it. Now there is less incentive and fewer game loops to enjoy.
@@theMedicatedCitizen this is good to hear! Hopefully they found a good balance.
This patch was really about getting SoO in a playable state. The other bug fixes etc are in 3.23. Also can you check if they fixed the ?RT assasination bunker missions. The ones where the elevator doesn't load. Only defend mercenary missions were really working.
So glad to see your videos again after more than week! Was I the only one who didn't get the memo?
hahah...I spent a week working on a video for Tobii, now I am back to my normal content.
I'm pretty happy that getting a tier 1 injury no longer makes it damn near impossible to even fly back. Ran into this once and it was a nightmare to try and limp back
In ePTU I found some Quantainium, usually just 1scu. Is there a handy list of commodities values available? I found a couple webpages, but they don't seem very accurate. I was concerned about picking up the Quantainium since I don't know when it becomes too volatile to transport.
Only Raw, freshly mined quantanium has the potential to explode and only Prospectors or Moles can even mine it and carry it in that form. After Quantium is refined then it is packaged in the SCU containers and is a cargo box like any other. Quantanium is no longer volatile in refined, cargo box form.
The problem isn't the lack of contraband. It's the unrealistically low values of all the basic commodities. In real life even scrap metal is worth a small fortune, but in Star Citizen "realism" is only a factor when they want you to wait for elevators and trams, and to lose your gear when you die. The need to rebalance this.
That being said, in 3.22.0a I found a 2scu crate of Gasping Weevil Eggs in the undercarriage cargo of a 300i I shot down during an MRT. Not to shabby considering I was in my vulture doing MRTs for easy salvage. lol
I found a full a2 yesterday. 2 scu of weevil eggs and hundreds of legal goods.
The very first thing that happened to me on this patch was a login time out error which booted me and when I re logged it stole all my gear that I was wearing. I didn't die, it just spawned me naked and lost my reclaimer in the middle of a job I just started.
That is my very first 15 minutes in the new patch.
Time will tell if its any better.
Yeah it deleted all my gear as well, even the stuff I had grinded up from bunkers and everything in station storage. I swear how does that even happen. Their databases must run on potatos.
1:17 2 of the 4 underlined fixes are my ICs heh. (Cutlass, MSR)
I recently got back into the game after a break since 3.18. I didn't get to experience the hay day of ERT missions, but I've played about 60 hours of ERTs over the past week or so in 3.22.1. On average I'm finding 1-3 SCU of Gasping Weevil Eggs, when I find them. Rarely, I will find 8-10 SCU, maybe once every 20 missions or so. Widow and Slam seem very rare and I have found zero Maze so far. Where you do your missions seems to have a large impact on the cargo you find. Crusader ERTs are the worst by far. So avoid Crusader and scan everything that has a cargo hold (when the scanning actually works).
Do you have any tips for scanning? No matter if i target lock or not, and sometimes even if i get up close within 300m it refuses to give me a cargo scan.
get out of the pilot seat and back in, try scanning at different angles. Sometimes it just doesn't scan, it's bugged
I think it might depend on the server and the ship your are in. I can scan better in a M2 vs c2. Also I've had more luck if I'm lined up from the front or back of the ship.
They should re-balance cargo by attributing realistic monetary values to the various commodities. I love how drugs are worth so much but massive shipping containers filled with gold are dirt cheap... Is the UEE finding gold on all the planets they colonize? Because if not the gold from Terra is only going to increase in value. It's like they put zero thought into it.
well said!
Right?!? Gems by the SCU container are appropriately extremely valuable, yet 1 SCU of hull scrapings is worth 180% what a cubic meter of diamonds is?
While I'd agree ERT cargo was too rewarding, a lot of the other content is the opposite. There's a huge disparity between mission rewards and how big the cargo payout was. There's a lot of room in between for a more reasonable middle ground
Before these physicalized boxes and Reclaimer salvage, the general profit was about 300k~600k per hour (Despite the exploits, ofc). I know we're on a testing phase and the economy balance is not a main goal yet, but I hope they give importance to this sector soon.
Oh yeah, amazing patch... I lost a C2, a Reclaimer, A pisces Rescue and a Connie Andromeda. YAY!
I lost a Carrack, roughly the same price as all your ships. Seems absurd that they cannot even keep track of a simple list of ships. What do they store their data on, old banana peels?
I lost a Connie Taurus and my Vulture - my main moneymaking combo. Now I have 300k aUEC, and have to grind back to a spot where I can get another Vulture. Back to ROC mining, I guess...
So frustrating. If either of you can mention your in-game names, I'll send you a little cash.
And the Hull-C cargo selling test?
Will do
Selling at the Commodity Kiosk should no longer sometimes display a "Transaction Cost Mismatch" dialogue or be limited to selling one unit At a time --- Still not working with Aphorite and Jalanite.. -.-
Maybe alot of ppl disagree when i say "I like it when they fixed the cargo on ERT mission".. so, money making will not be as bored as 3.20-3.22 when u can literally scoop ten of a million of auec in a single run.. put the money making rate back as it used to be, make the server alive more, ppl will be more interractive with rescue, multi crew, mining, etc.. not just doing the same stuff all over again.. but this is my personal opinion
Yeah totally agree. I stopped playing as it was just pointless getting silly money with no feeling of value or worth for the effort you put in as money just came too damn easy. I won’t be firing this up again until 3.23 anyway due to work but man I was bored these last few patches with tonnes of Weevil Eggs everywhere. We need a ship and money database reset next. Hopefully 3.23 💪
I remember the times when a 3k payment mission was a lot of money 😂😂😂
I disagree. The big loads involving Weevil were still rare.
Unless you stuck only to the asteroids in crusader or hurston, there was a chance the ships would blow up from falling or be flipped in such a way that you couldn't access.
Maybe every fourth or fifth ERT I found enough high value cargo in a recoverable position to get out of my pilot seat for.
Was it out of whack for the economy? Yes. But with the amount of hurdles and player pirates, I don't think it was too unreasonable.
ofc my dude you are right.
And right now perfect , I got all the ships I want and now people will want to do activities that aren’t just reclaimer and ehrt cargo. (Hopefully)
How long does it take to get the ERT missions? I've been grinding a lot and I don't even have the VHRT missions yet haha
You have to build your REP up with Bounty Hunters Guild to LvL 5, I think, might be 6. Check your Delphi info in your mobiGlas and check your REP progression.
Took forever to get from VHRT to ERT .. i just got to that level for the 1st time - cant remember if it was 50 or 100 VHRT i had to complete to unlock ERT
Also, if you're wanting that juicier ERT cargo... CIG nerfed the crap out of it :(
the highest precious cargo i found was 1 weevil egg, but somehow once i unlocked VLRT, LRT, MRT, HRT, VHRT, and finally ERT, they stopped appearing in my missions log !! I just can't find any at all, regardless of server, i don't understand
try switch server see if it will help
- Are bunkers working?
- Can hover bikes safely approach bunkers?
I think it would be in the patch note for hover vehicule ;) They never did so I'd expect them to communicate a lot when they will !
Bunkers not working consistently, and no you cannot approach with hoverbikes (yet).
They just killed the fun...
As a father with a job, I won't spend countless hours grinding for money. Especially with an alpha game that could at any time say "f*** you it's time to crash or randomly blow up your ship". I have a Reclaimer and could still farm easily, but looking for good ERT cargo was way more fun. And frankly in 3.22 I've never found astonishing amount of Eggs, at least in my playtime.
Time to play other games.
When will we get FULL/Proper bounties.....where we apprehend, lock-up and deliver in those flat holding-floating trolleys?. That's bounty hunting. Not what we have now?
found 1scu weevil eggs a few times but ye it sucks
If the cargo is now like that then VHRT and ERT ae of very questionable validity given how little they otherwise pay so one can but hope. Quant is worth selling ofc.
There was a time when VHRT and ERT carried Zero cargo. 4 - 30 million is a bit too much, like it was in the Salvage missions cargo holds, before they switched it to VHRT / ERT carrying the potential double digit millions
@lights4bre890 folk talk about "emergent gameplay"
VH/ERT generating largish amounts of loot brought in groups of folk to share the mission. Combat pilots with ships able to get quick soft death kills. Cargo pilots because a couple of Corsairs couldn't carry enough and little else cut the mustard save Ares, with no cargo capacity. Combat pilots or boots on the ground for when you went to sell because it was worth the types who didn't want to do the work hanging about at scrap yards to try a heist, and they needed to group and organise too.
All that's now down the pan, or massively reduced.
But we get SoO, when it's way overdue to have Siege of GrimHex which would be far more fun and convincingly likely.
Before VHRT / ERT became the cargo $ pinata it was the Salvage missions.. who knows if they will move it to another mission type that all of a sudden will have up to 30 million in cargo or its come to an end.. Alot of the people who made Huge sums of $ from those missions are the same ones that were begging for it to get nerfed because it wasnt just 'good' - it was wayyyyy out of balance.. and most people expected some day it will get balanced out.
I agree it created alot of gameplay loops tied to it.. escorts, logistics, targets for pirates..etc@@andrewfanner2245
@theMedicatedCitizen YMMV, can only speak from my experience which doesn't invalidate yours. Kindly show the same good manners.
I used an Ion then switched to Corsair to do my VHRT and after a while would alternate between Corsair or M2. If my friend is online, sometimes we would team up and he takes a turret in my ship and if we get Weevil eggs or something that has to be sold at a scrapyard instead going to a no questions asked kiosk in armistice, id drop him at a mining outpost - he'd switch to a Talon and go scout the scrapyard and clear me to make the jump.
If my friend Wasnt online, i just try to be as fast as i can, scanning ahead, touching down and getting to the kiosk as fast as possible. But those are Drills because what can happen in the worst case scenario, i lose this M2 full of contraband? 'Oh no...ill never be able to make that 9 million UEC back'.... 'Oh wait, yes i will just grab a few more ERT's.
I never lost a haul yet but how many millions do you need to solo ezpz - before it becomes a bit much? 10 million?... 50 million?.. 100+ million and after that point its a Bad thing that they dial it back?@@andrewfanner2245
Honestly looks like they overcorrected with the amount of scrap. Just more food and metals would have been fine.
I don't think that CIG ever intended for players to earn millions of aUEC from ERT bounties. In fact most missions will never make a huge ton of cash because that breaks the economy. I just hope I never lose the ships I purchased in-game because at some point it's going to take a lot more grinding to buy them back.
tbh even the salvage missions pay too much at the moment I think, I only started last week and I have a fully upgraded a2
Wipe is coming, only a question when. So yeah you will lose all of them.
Theyre using letters in their version numbers now FFS. Im patiently waiting for 4.0😅
Nerfing income is bad especialy for new players, ..
Old players already have and experimented everithing, but for new players it suck, ..
We already lose a lot of play time and item due to server crashed and bugs, ..
Tha;s no good that they are decreasing income, ..
Also noticed profit decrease on trade runs, ..
indeed
siege of Orison woohoo!
What a shame. That was the first gameplay loop i really enjoyed and that felt kind of rewarding. Of course they nerf it to the ground
It was too op
it still is, this is doom and gloom posting. I did 6 ERT's last night and made 2M auec, still really good money compared to mining, on par with salvaging now. people whining there aren't enough weevil eggs are lazy... there should NEVER have been a scenario where you could get an 890J in less than 2 hours of playing.
People saying the risk of bounty hunting? What risk? ERT's are a joke and ship repairs/rebuy as well... it takes a few seconds to kill the target and 5 minutes to transfer cargo. There is more risk salvaging from pirates when I have 1.5M worth of salvage or from a rock exploding while mining
Now salvage is op 10 million an hour , only thing that makes up for how boring it is, this should have only been nerfted in half not by more than 85%. No drugs on drug running ships 😂
I don't even need the money it was fun finding the eggs and maze.
I think this new patch was just about fixes (which i'm all for). I think their 3.23 patch might add features but again - this patch was bug fixes and mainly for Siege of Orison.
I would count Quantanium as precious cargo. And I found an 8scu of it. I've also found 2 scu of Gasping Weevel eggs on a Hammerhead. But that's it.
However, I did fill up my Corsair cargo with meh cargo from an ERT and got right at 250k on a single ERT mission. And that's after everything crashed into the surface and blew up, even though I dropped everything below the 2k mark on moons.
But I have to say. We should _never_, _ever_ find Scrap on Bounties. There is no reason for them to be carrying that. They would only be carrying cargo they can make money off of. Scrap isn't even worth the fuel cost.
Agreed. I have zero idea what the developer tool looks like for controlling loot drop tables and item type chance to drop. But if 30 minutes was assigned to one guy to adjust some sliders to correct the loot frenzy, scrap wouldn’t be on the list. Bandits might have pirated a Reclaimer for its RCM, so we should expect to see that. Processed food they need. And small amounts of vice they like. Once in a while a pipeline drug shipment you might come across, but honestly I would save those scores for Critical Threat Service Beacons. An Idris scales much better with that kinda reward.
no more fun things to do, before at least good cargo in ERT was make me to play this s*it alpha test from time to time
I lost my Carrack in this patch. Has CIG ever explained why ships randomly disappear when they release patches? It seems pretty absurd that they cannot keep track of such a simple thing. But I'm glad the dumb MSR bug has finally been fixed.
Yeah i lost my reclaimer, connie andromeda, prospector, scorpius, and a few others this patch. kind of sucks
all in game purchased ships have to be stored before a patch, otherwise they are gone after
The only ship I lost was my Corsair, and it's because I bed-logged in it instead of storing it at a proper hanger (I didn't know there was an updated incoming). It's pretty lame though.
@@theMedicatedCitizen why? If the game has a list on the ASOP terminal before the patch, it's a trivial thing to have that same list after it. Are they storing the list on floppy disks from the 80's?? Besides, I know people who have lost and retained ships regardless of them being stored or not.
Above all, a carrack does not go unnoticed.
it's not easy to lose...
ngl, i feel that the nerf on ert cargo was a bit uncalled for considering the reclaimer 'meta' for making money. which has basically no risk massive rewards vs the combat nature of ert's
The problem is that if you have a reclaimer you get both, since a reclaimer has a massive cargo hold and a very convenient cargo elevator. This makes the reclaimer way OP, and unfortunately the nerf hits everyone. I'm hoping CIG is not happy about the situation either.
@@fnunezIt was likely completely distorting the economy
@@theMedicatedCitizen lmao, reclaimer is where the money's at consistently and the ert loot was rng as well as the chance of hard deaths on targets destroying the loot. yeah by all means it needed tweaked, but not nerfed into the ground
they've essentially turned ert targets into space pikeys 😂
Tobad they did the cargo that has valeu is so low
Siege of orison is a nightmare. Broken shuttles, AA not turning off, massive corpse walk. Also very low turnout. Nobody wants to play it. So the burden for those who do is on such a scale, its just a chore.
So I need to test this. I have uncanny luck when it comes to cargo. Not played for about 2weeks and I averaged 20-30mil per hour getting them eggs. Im not joking. So when I just went and did 2 ERT both with a C2 and a Caterpillar and all I got was about 600 recycled materials.
Where’s my eggsmaze gone??
600 SCU RCM?
That would still be worth taking.
@@sircastic959 yeah is still taking but it’s not maze or eggs. So rather than making 20mil you’ll only be
Making 3-4mil
@@Nelleil_86 Which would be perfectly fine.
Cargo looting just needs to hit 2-3 million expected profits per hour to be a decent gameplay loop.
It needs to be significantly better than just spamming down the ERTs (roughly 600-700k per hour) and it needs to compete with the service beacons (1.5-2 Million per hour) beyond that the extra pay is for the hazard of having to go to pvp locations to sell.
Having seen the 10SCU Weevil in the 890 in the video, if those are somewhat common, 1/10 or more, it´s very much worth it.
quantanium sells for 27k per SCU, and that was on just about every ship, will you need a C2 to do bounties anymore? no, should someone have some illegal contraband on their ship during a bounty? probably yes.... it should be like ~32SCU of cargo you should get from a group ERT that are 27k+ per SCU to be fair, would be like 1M+ for a full group ERT or 300k for a single ERT
It's was not normal have 10 millions in one run. I think it is reasonable.
Honestly, it's unpopular to say, but I'm glad they nerfed the cargo hauls from bounties. Actual dedicated combat ships were getting mothballed and people were instead doing bounties in C2s.
ERT cargo going from 10mil+ per hour to less than 300k makes me think they just did it to attract new players(players who might have stopped playing the game in the meantime), before they reverse it and hope you'll buy ships with your own money instead.
Sure, you can get a Reclaimer and earn tens of millions but it's 15mil to buy in game, meaning the players who can afford it already have loads of money so what's the point?
They need to figure out how to keep it interesting for frequent/experienced players while making the grind less annoying for new players.
If the game is nowhere near to being released yet and future wipes will remove everything sooner or later, make it more FUN and less of a grind for newbies.
They are really trying on that terrible orison mission. I would like to get into it but I've only wasted tons of hours on it for no reason. I won't be trying it until I see proof it's not just a massive time sink that is trying to to destroy my computer.
"ecomony balance"......................................what ecomony? 🤣
not balanced if a reclaimer is carrying everything but cm/rmc, now seeing eggs in 1-10 batches on big scu ships
If I am being forced to grind up the rep, then every single ERT needs to be profitable with a min tier of loot. Not 1 in 5 being worth a mil. It's high risk, there should ALWAYS be a reward that isn't quartz or scrap.
Noone at cig knows how to set up a loot table.
That's the issue with bounties as they were. Now instead of that 1 in 10 or 20 being lucrative, making it feel worthwhile, it's not worth doing at all.
There is no balance. They still haven't fixed ballistics under s5..... They don't care about the players. Cig sucks.
What did people do all those years before cargo was physicalized? ...there used to be Zero loot of any kind in bounty ships cargoholds
honestly they should be paying us to test this
The 890 Jump that you toasted at 6:24 had 10 SCU of weavel eggs! Still some nice fat cash. Much better balanced I think.
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Agree very mediocre patch and balance from incredible amounts to zero, extrem directions, did they know what they r doing or just pushing numbers?
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cargo is shit nerfed? more like deleted
"Pirating" that ERT cargo was one of the most enjoyably profitable loops in the game. That's really a shame they did that. They must have done it before this patch, as for the last few weeks I've noticed crap cargo, if really any. Real bummer on this. Think of all the work that was involved. Not like it was ez money. You had to do the mission, keep track of the ships, soft death them, tractor beam all the cargo to your ship which ain't all the easy sometimes... maybe do a few more to fill up on some good stuff, then take the real risk of going to some shady place to sell. wtf CIG? Pff!
They did several rounds of dialing it back.