What I see is a man connecting to this horse who to me appeared frightened. He is so gentle and calm. I feel you need to have a connection as you need to have with all animals. He truly understood this horse and the horse connected to him.
His work is exquisite. Love watching it over and over again, watching how he gives the horse small ques at exactly the right time. It is all down to timing, and rewarding the required respose with release.
@@holunderblume I didn't see him hit the horse...😠 I don't think the cooperation of his horses comes from fear . It's still a mystery to me ! 😊 I wish someone would explain how it's done..? 🤔.. Those shows with many 🦄horses🦄 forming patterns, e.g., going round in a " wheel" like " The Tiller Girls "! 🐎🌫️🌫️ That is fascinating. 😊🦉🐎 🇬🇧😊🐴🇬🇧🤔🦉😊🐎🇬🇧 🐎🌫️🌫️🐎🌫️🌫️🐎🌫️🌫️
I could watch you all day, would love to meet and learn your techniques, been raising and training all my life, started out on big plow mules, just awesome work......love it......
I am so thankful for this video (and the others). It shows clear and exact the perfection of timing and tightly focussed violence. There is no wonder horses can walk in perfect line at the end as they do in the big shows, where everybody is stunned how they reach this. Well, this is it, they learn that really bad things happen if they dare to cross the line. Is this how modern horse training should be, as we know now so much about learning theory and traning with positive reeinforcement instead of positive punishment.
Tightly focused violence? What? Where? Violence has no part in horse training and there was none here. "Really bad things happen," what are you referring to? Did you see anything here that was violent, or bad? I saw a man who actually understands horses and by his calm and quiet body language and patient leadership, was able to help the horse overcome his fears [ it is natural for a horse to feel fear in such an unnatural environment] with NO violence. Violence? How do you see that here? And you're saying violence to a horse is OK?
@@famouskate9071 did you watched it on your phone? I am definitely not saying violence to horses is okay. But he has a whip and he uses it. He directly hit the horse at the head in the face, and this happeneds very very fast. His bodylanguage is silent, slow, but his hands are not. you have to watch it carefully (and NOT at a phone, this is to small, you will not see anything of that I mention, which does not mean it is not happening). watch carefully at 0:25, 0:44, 0:09, 1:17. Every time the horse left him out of his focus and try to go somewhere else, he gets the whip right in his face.
@yamixyoukai If you honestly pay closer attention to what Jean-Francois is actually doing with the training whip, he is using it as an extension of his hand and at one point rubs it along the horse's face and neck and by doing so he is earning trust and showing the horse there is nothing to fear, that the whip will *never* hurt him. He uses it purely for light touch cues along with his body and hand gestures to ask the horses to do specific behaviours. There is nothing negative or abusive about what he is doing. Positive reinforcement is the key here, and that is precisely what he is doing to earn the horse's trust and build his/her confidence in themselves and him. I know exactly what he is doing because I have used the same type of technique with cats, dogs, and horses (including head shy, nervous, and extremely skittish ones) to teach them there is nothing to fear and to boost their confidence knowing that if it's in my hand it will never hurt them and they do not need to be afraid of it. With care, patience, persistence, and trust, they *will* get over their issues (including the trauma you speak of) and learn to do what is asked of them without fear, seeing it as play rather than work because they want to do what is asked of them by the one they trust, the one who is leading them. If you watch him with his horses at shows, it's less a performance and more choreographed play time between him and the horses he so clearly loves.
Yup, he can even make horses have erections for procreating, the guy even trains horses for sex, you have to ask about it in private though as people think its disgusting and evil women (or gay men) have oral or all out sex with horses, this man even eats horses, both female and actual horse meat.
I really wish there was a subtitle or commentary for this, I have no doubt that JFP is a great horseman but I'm so confused by his techniques here. The horse clearly would rather not pay attention to him and he's giving the horse very subtle signs that the horse ignores until JFP is either pulling on the lead or using the whip. By video 4, the horse has clearly learned something, but it's difficult to see the process.
JFP is not speaking at all. He is communicating purely by body language which is how horses communicate. What he is doing here in the beginning is establishing personal space so that the horse understands who is in charge. He keeps his head and eyes down so that he is not perceived by the horse as a threat. If the horse steps into JFP peronal space note how he taps on the halter to move the horse away. Once the respect and the pecking order has been established, the horse will follow him
Pure body language, supported by the whip hitting the horses face over and over again when he dares to be distracted. This is pure violence and no magic at all.
@TheoRoyal To my knowledge Pignon only speaks french (he hardly spoke at all during the clinic); the voice you hear is the narrator, not Pignon. The narrator is a swedish man which isn't too well read about what Pignon does and you aren't missing anything good.
There is a video og him saying things like “ your my friend, i will find you a mate”, he rubs the male horses chest to give him an erection, sometimes strokes his privates, its crazy what this man does.
Not exactly the best environment to try to teach a horse something new. There are a million distractions and the horse is taking advantage of every one of them! It's obviously very loud there, causing the horse quite a bit of anxiety.
But see how the horse grows more relaxed as time passes ? See how the cogs in his brain are turning, trying to figure out what JF wants out of him ? How he's slowly learning to respond to JF rather than ignore him and trying to walk all over him ? JF took a very very intersting approach here, the only thing he asked this horse for the first 5 minutes is "stand still", correcting him every time he walked forward. But then when JF walks, the horse's neck is progressively lowering, he's chewing, he pays attention to JF when he moves and moves with him. You can see he's frustrated at being corrected, which tells you a great deal about his education, or lack there of, but also how simple commands, even energy and perfect timing really calms him down and invites him to focus on JF, really fascinating work...
He might be a good trainer to some but I am of the firm belief that you never aim at a horse's head with your hand, rope and definitely not a whip or crop or whatever you want to call it. I know a number of horses that are extremely head shy because of their previous owners abused them by holding them by the head and then hitting them or simply hitting them in the head. They still get panicked, stressed and scared even if the farm I ride at bought and saved them years ago. So I'm NOT impressed
yamixyoukai of course you do not hit them in the head do you see him hitting them? this man is a master of subtlety he is signaling them. There is a difference and that is what makes him a great trainer.
What I see is a man connecting to this horse who to me appeared frightened. He is so gentle and calm. I feel you need to have a connection as you need to have with all animals. He truly understood this horse and the horse connected to him.
His work is exquisite. Love watching it over and over again, watching how he gives the horse small ques at exactly the right time. It is all down to timing, and rewarding the required respose with release.
It is all about hitting the horse in the face at the right moment. And yes, his timing is exellent, so quite nobody is noticing what he is doing.
@@holunderblume
I didn't see him hit the horse...😠
I don't think the cooperation
of his horses comes
from fear .
It's still a mystery to me ! 😊
I wish someone would
explain how it's done..? 🤔..
Those shows with many
🦄horses🦄 forming patterns, e.g.,
going round in a " wheel" like
" The Tiller Girls "! 🐎🌫️🌫️
That is fascinating. 😊🦉🐎
🇬🇧😊🐴🇬🇧🤔🦉😊🐎🇬🇧
🐎🌫️🌫️🐎🌫️🌫️🐎🌫️🌫️
if you did not see it, you did not watch close enough. If you are watching this on a smartphone, it could not be seen @@rosemariemann1719
Absolutely wonderful. This man is amazing 😉👏👏👏👏👏👏🐴🐴🐴🐴🐴🐴🐴❤️❤️❤️❤️
I could watch you all day, would love to meet and learn your techniques, been raising and training all my life, started out on big plow mules, just awesome work......love it......
I agree with Bluebird7962. Excellently well explained. He also lets the horse work through his anxiety.
Awesome! Thanks for uploading these videos!
Great example of less = more if done right!
You need to watch Part IV though
I am so thankful for this video (and the others). It shows clear and exact the perfection of timing and tightly focussed violence. There is no wonder horses can walk in perfect line at the end as they do in the big shows, where everybody is stunned how they reach this. Well, this is it, they learn that really bad things happen if they dare to cross the line.
Is this how modern horse training should be, as we know now so much about learning theory and traning with positive reeinforcement instead of positive punishment.
Tightly focused violence? What? Where? Violence has no part in horse training and there was none here. "Really bad things happen," what are you referring to? Did you see anything here that was violent, or bad? I saw a man who actually understands horses and by his calm and quiet body language and patient leadership, was able to help the horse overcome his fears [ it is natural for a horse to feel fear in such an unnatural environment] with NO violence. Violence? How do you see that here? And you're saying violence to a horse is OK?
@@famouskate9071 did you watched it on your phone?
I am definitely not saying violence to horses is okay. But he has a whip and he uses it. He directly hit the horse at the head in the face, and this happeneds very very fast. His bodylanguage is silent, slow, but his hands are not. you have to watch it carefully (and NOT at a phone, this is to small, you will not see anything of that I mention, which does not mean it is not happening).
watch carefully at 0:25, 0:44, 0:09, 1:17. Every time the horse left him out of his focus and try to go somewhere else, he gets the whip right in his face.
@yamixyoukai
If you honestly pay closer attention to what Jean-Francois is actually doing with the training whip, he is using it as an extension of his hand and at one point rubs it along the horse's face and neck and by doing so he is earning trust and showing the horse there is nothing to fear, that the whip will *never* hurt him. He uses it purely for light touch cues along with his body and hand gestures to ask the horses to do specific behaviours. There is nothing negative or abusive about what he is doing. Positive reinforcement is the key here, and that is precisely what he is doing to earn the horse's trust and build his/her confidence in themselves and him.
I know exactly what he is doing because I have used the same type of technique with cats, dogs, and horses (including head shy, nervous, and extremely skittish ones) to teach them there is nothing to fear and to boost their confidence knowing that if it's in my hand it will never hurt them and they do not need to be afraid of it. With care, patience, persistence, and trust, they *will* get over their issues (including the trauma you speak of) and learn to do what is asked of them without fear, seeing it as play rather than work because they want to do what is asked of them by the one they trust, the one who is leading them. If you watch him with his horses at shows, it's less a performance and more choreographed play time between him and the horses he so clearly loves.
I totally agree with you. I use the same method. I would love to know understand all his actions here. Wish someone could explain to me....wish wish!
Yup, he can even make horses have erections for procreating, the guy even trains horses for sex, you have to ask about it in private though as people think its disgusting and evil women (or gay men) have oral or all out sex with horses, this man even eats horses, both female and actual horse meat.
stvarno je super shendlao tog konja
I bet he is a fantastic lover
It's at pony from a riding school that J-F Pignon has never meet before.
I really wish there was a subtitle or commentary for this, I have no doubt that JFP is a great horseman but I'm so confused by his techniques here. The horse clearly would rather not pay attention to him and he's giving the horse very subtle signs that the horse ignores until JFP is either pulling on the lead or using the whip. By video 4, the horse has clearly learned something, but it's difficult to see the process.
the speaker should have just kept his mouth quiet.
JF PIGNON SHOULD HAD MADE A SIGN TO THE SPEAKER TO FUCK UP
@@frankgeeraerts6243 the speaker is communicating with him and translating what he says to Swedish, look closer at his head set.
JFP is not speaking at all. He is communicating purely by body language which is how horses communicate. What he is doing here in the beginning is establishing personal space so that the horse understands who is in charge. He keeps his head and eyes down so that he is not perceived by the horse as a threat. If the horse steps into JFP peronal space note how he taps on the halter to move the horse away. Once the respect and the pecking order has been established, the horse will follow him
Pure body language, supported by the whip hitting the horses face over and over again when he dares to be distracted. This is pure violence and no magic at all.
@TheoRoyal To my knowledge Pignon only speaks french (he hardly spoke at all during the clinic); the voice you hear is the narrator, not Pignon. The narrator is a swedish man which isn't too well read about what Pignon does and you aren't missing anything good.
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Has this horse ever been worked with before--do we know about the history of the horse?
no there arent flies horses communicate with their tails too
I don't speak French (!) -- I would love to know what he's saying?! Thanks for posting this anyhow. :)
There is a video og him saying things like “ your my friend, i will find you a mate”, he rubs the male horses chest to give him an erection, sometimes strokes his privates, its crazy what this man does.
Not exactly the best environment to try to teach a horse something new. There are a million distractions and the horse is taking advantage of every one of them! It's obviously very loud there, causing the horse quite a bit of anxiety.
+IaMoDiNaRy That is why the only thing he was working on was that the horse would concentrate on him.
But see how the horse grows more relaxed as time passes ? See how the cogs in his brain are turning, trying to figure out what JF wants out of him ? How he's slowly learning to respond to JF rather than ignore him and trying to walk all over him ? JF took a very very intersting approach here, the only thing he asked this horse for the first 5 minutes is "stand still", correcting him every time he walked forward. But then when JF walks, the horse's neck is progressively lowering, he's chewing, he pays attention to JF when he moves and moves with him.
You can see he's frustrated at being corrected, which tells you a great deal about his education, or lack there of, but also how simple commands, even energy and perfect timing really calms him down and invites him to focus on JF, really fascinating work...
He might be a good trainer to some but I am of the firm belief that you never aim at a horse's head with your hand, rope and definitely not a whip or crop or whatever you want to call it. I know a number of horses that are extremely head shy because of their previous owners abused them by holding them by the head and then hitting them or simply hitting them in the head. They still get panicked, stressed and scared even if the farm I ride at bought and saved them years ago. So I'm NOT impressed
yamixyoukai of course you do not hit them in the head do you see him hitting them? this man is a master of subtlety he is signaling them. There is a difference and that is what makes him a great trainer.