Can Hikaru Beat Fischer's 15 Puzzle Record?

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  • čas přidán 27. 02. 2021
  • Hikaru tries to beat Bobby's Fischer's 15 puzzle record while on stream.
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Komentáře • 620

  • @EnDeRBeaT
    @EnDeRBeaT Před 3 lety +1191

    After finishing chess mission, he started doing sidequests

    • @kit2691
      @kit2691 Před 3 lety +25

      and i cant even finish my homework

    • @RMichaelHimself
      @RMichaelHimself Před 3 lety +7

      And I can’t even produce a bowel movement as I sit here on the toilet

    • @windyaik
      @windyaik Před 3 lety +5

      @@RMichaelHimself dont worry take your time

    • @owenevilmakings5433
      @owenevilmakings5433 Před 3 lety +1

      @@windyaik yeah I’m been trying to type for 3 years now but I am resorting to use my fingers 💀

    • @lizardthatsavesyou15ormore34
      @lizardthatsavesyou15ormore34 Před 3 lety

      @@kit2691 I'm literally watching this instead of doing homework

  • @JimBean175
    @JimBean175 Před 3 lety +794

    I would have considered myself a grand master at this in summer camp.

  • @jabba7370
    @jabba7370 Před 3 lety +1041

    Next: Can Hikaru solve a Rubik’s Cube ?

    • @ezrahadwi135
      @ezrahadwi135 Před 3 lety +31

      Solution : ceilingGOD

    • @jailee6438
      @jailee6438 Před 3 lety +14

      Probably if he gets chat to help like with moist critikal.

    • @jabba7370
      @jabba7370 Před 3 lety +21

      @@ezrahadwi135 He must have the algorithms in the ceiling

    • @schpau9339
      @schpau9339 Před 3 lety +42

      I know this is a joke but I'm still gonna answer seriously
      There is no way he solves a rubik's cube in a reasonable amount of time without looking up how to do so online

    • @evani1206
      @evani1206 Před 3 lety +13

      As a former sub 20sec speed cuber, I don't think our man can do it without on line help

  • @michiikoko
    @michiikoko Před 3 lety +459

    I'm sorry but Hikaru looks like an angry bird while he was focusing

  • @DorukPehlivan06
    @DorukPehlivan06 Před 3 lety +369

    1:57 he literally puts 3-4 in the right order unknowingly while trying to put the 3 under the 4 😂

    • @lucasarmada9550
      @lucasarmada9550 Před 3 lety +58

      he was learning the technique, he only got the 3 and 4 like that from luck.

    • @Opethian181
      @Opethian181 Před 3 lety +24

      Magnum carlos wouldn't miss it that's why he is the world champion Kappa

    • @dg5059
      @dg5059 Před 3 lety +9

      As odd as it sounds, thats not what he was trying to do. He wasn't trying to solve the puzzle one time incidentally, hes trying to solve the puzzle every time.

    • @hemmoau
      @hemmoau Před 3 lety +6

      Interesting to see how many people are willing to believe they are smarter/better at puzzles than Hikaru, rather than considering other explanations.

    • @danielbelcab
      @danielbelcab Před 3 lety

      It's kinda like having mate in 1 but going for a line of checkmate that extends it to 3 moves.

  • @moa2487
    @moa2487 Před 3 lety +106

    Gotta say, seing Hikaru being bad at a game like that is reassuring.

  • @abdullaalhammadi244
    @abdullaalhammadi244 Před 3 lety +219

    Finally can beat hikaru in a game 😂😂😂

  • @abigfan5824
    @abigfan5824 Před 3 lety +50

    Before watching Hikaru: *Stuck at 400*
    After watching Hikaru: 500
    :)

  • @karlmarx4462
    @karlmarx4462 Před 3 lety +138

    Weird, I was literally just watching that interview lol

    • @shaunholt
      @shaunholt Před 3 lety +1

      Me too!

    • @parthjoshi7324
      @parthjoshi7324 Před 3 lety +4

      Man I just did that too lol, Hikaru is spying on us.

    • @dreamer7770
      @dreamer7770 Před 3 lety +5

      Ah, the CZcams algorithm strokes everyone again.

    • @karlmarx4462
      @karlmarx4462 Před 3 lety +1

      Maybe Fischer was right :D

    • @hakzma3582
      @hakzma3582 Před 3 lety +5

      Was probably in your recomendations because a lot of Hikaru subs like you watched that interview a lot after stream

  •  Před 3 lety +33

    Imagine blitz feuds between fischer and hikaru these days

    • @rickrick5041
      @rickrick5041 Před 3 lety +6

      Please let me see that. I bet on Fischer

  • @azurefrost3264
    @azurefrost3264 Před 3 lety +13

    1:20 he's trying to use stocktish in 15 puzzle game

  • @zeNUKEify
    @zeNUKEify Před 3 lety +253

    Interesting how Hikaru has a hard time organically solving puzzles and instead looks for concrete rules and guidelines. He must be extremely good at memorizing the rules and specifics of patterns after they’re shown to him

    • @casdomdomcas5214
      @casdomdomcas5214 Před 3 lety +18

      No he is having a hard time cause he is talking with chat.

    • @TheSkrzek
      @TheSkrzek Před 3 lety +76

      Recently in my uni class we were talking about studies that showed that chess players are not better at solving problems/puzzles not related to chess than normal people, sometimes they are even worse at that :V

    • @menace202
      @menace202 Před 3 lety +113

      From what I've observed, Hikaru's a very technical thinker due to his upbringing in chess. He uses set logic and reasoning to solve problems, but kind of struggles understanding intuitive or contextual things, as we've seen in his reactions to his reddit memes.

    • @SimonSaysSimon
      @SimonSaysSimon Před 3 lety +14

      He also is always looking for the "correct" way as if there always was one

    • @HiFisch94
      @HiFisch94 Před 3 lety +9

      @@menace202 well, he's probably used to learn something based on rules, so he's searching for those rules to apply rather than making his own solutions up and he gets caught up in it to much

  • @hugemango2011
    @hugemango2011 Před 3 lety +101

    It's like those things you slide that form a picture, I used to have tons of those

    • @vincenthills5024
      @vincenthills5024 Před 3 lety +21

      *its literally the exact same thing

    • @yuramushi
      @yuramushi Před 3 lety +6

      I have one with lightning mcqueen on the picture
      I played with it so much that the picture got washed out lol

    • @ezrahadwi135
      @ezrahadwi135 Před 3 lety

      @@yuramushi same here, i have one too. Mine is Hello Kitty (oh man i feel stupid 😂)

    • @literalsaltshaker5044
      @literalsaltshaker5044 Před 3 lety

      @@yuramushi fuck I remember those, mine was the hippie bus

    • @domenicorafael2855
      @domenicorafael2855 Před 3 lety +1

      Windows 7 memories..

  • @funsponge9099
    @funsponge9099 Před 3 lety +42

    Me after finishing monkey madness: my student hikaru

  • @davidmartinezleon2970
    @davidmartinezleon2970 Před 3 lety +18

    The technique: TAKE TAKE TAKE TAKE TAKE CHECKMATE

  • @Zivrulez1
    @Zivrulez1 Před 3 lety +24

    Me who's done 4712 hard clues on Oldschool Runescape: 👁👄👁

  • @chessyoshi8626
    @chessyoshi8626 Před 3 lety +27

    His dialogue while solving this sounds like mine while playing chess.

    • @theseangle
      @theseangle Před 3 lety +4

      Hmm, Is it a monologue or a dialogue? Thx now my brain is hurt
      He's talking by himself, BUT there's the chat, BUT he's still talking to himself, BUT chat is not A person, so he's doing a ted talk to public, BUT he's not

    • @kelomelo9604
      @kelomelo9604 Před 3 lety

      @@theseangle you're drunk, shut up LOL

    • @theseangle
      @theseangle Před 3 lety +1

      @@kelomelo9604 I am doing a monologue shush 🤫

  • @tenkkutn
    @tenkkutn Před 3 lety +28

    HOLY F-ING SCHEISSE I feel like Hikaru is trolling us

  • @sammantis9893
    @sammantis9893 Před 3 lety +57

    anyone who played runescape back in the day knows these are easy (:

    • @XDmofasa
      @XDmofasa Před 3 lety +5

      came to comment this. only noobs paid like 100k or whatever to solve this during mm. also had to spam these in clues😂

    • @johndotcue
      @johndotcue Před 3 lety

      LMAO I just paid 100k. Fuck that

    • @AnishKumar-fk9jk
      @AnishKumar-fk9jk Před 3 lety

      Tuna On A Stick If I remember correctly, the monkey madness puzzle was a beefed up version of the treasure trail puzzle. I did it myself but I think paying is way better lol

    • @Alex9tenGaming
      @Alex9tenGaming Před 3 lety +1

      @@XDmofasa yup i made a ton of money doing these puzzles for other people on their clues and quests haha

    • @penta4568
      @penta4568 Před 3 lety

      Omg, you just unlocked a memory I didn’t even know I had.

  • @ghlmnx
    @ghlmnx Před 3 lety +6

    The easy technique for the 3rd and 4th row is put 14-13-9-10 by order then slide into its positions and shuffle the rest

  • @photoreference9429
    @photoreference9429 Před rokem +1

    Love his commentary! Watching him discover the technique is awesome, too!

  • @AveryHyena
    @AveryHyena Před 12 dny +1

    I like how chat completely screwed him from the start by saying "you just need to put the 4 on top of the three". When actually it should be "you need to put 4 in 3's space, then put 3 under the 4."

  • @KenStentiford
    @KenStentiford Před 3 lety +3

    I love when he's thinking he's also checking for rain.

  • @e2ipie285
    @e2ipie285 Před 3 lety +5

    Hikaru resetting the puzzle is like me accepting a draw in a winning position.

  • @williamwarms4713
    @williamwarms4713 Před 3 lety +24

    I now understand how hikaru feels watching others play chess

  • @mrs.megaminx287
    @mrs.megaminx287 Před 3 lety +20

    Well, now we know that the ceiling does not *only* have stockfish for _chess_

  • @jjwillbombson2223
    @jjwillbombson2223 Před 3 lety +3

    When you solve by your self for the first time faster than hikaru could. BIG BRAIN

  • @bradheilman1856
    @bradheilman1856 Před 3 lety +1

    And then for the hardest puzzle of all, untangle the tangled up Slinky without bending it.

  • @andrewboyd3373
    @andrewboyd3373 Před 3 lety +2

    I remember this puzzle as a kid. I never timed myself though. A lot tougher to do with a little piece of junk plastic puzzle that likes to stick.

  • @Migeters
    @Migeters Před 3 lety +1

    I hope you get to 1 million really soon hikaru I love your videos

  • @psychlyeslg
    @psychlyeslg Před 3 lety +2

    The numbers are way easier than the ones that have pictures

  • @Loo_Kah
    @Loo_Kah Před 3 lety +5

    If you have this situation:
    1 2 3 X
    X X 4
    X X X X
    X X X X
    You can move 1 down then move 2 3 and X left, move 4 up, move the X on 7th tile right and X on 3rd tile down and get 3 2 and 1 back to their places
    Easier than this 4 under 3 technique

    • @Nik-qh7cq
      @Nik-qh7cq Před 3 lety +1

      Exactly and when you have
      1. 2. 3. 4
      5 6 7 8
      9 10 11 12
      15. 13 14
      Just rotate and shuffle the last Triad

    • @Loo_Kah
      @Loo_Kah Před 3 lety

      @@Nik-qh7cq Exactly.
      I never checked any tutorials. I learnt to solve it this way

    • @deerv6913
      @deerv6913 Před 2 lety

      @@Loo_Kah Idi*t. We not stupid, in every tutorial is presented this way, u just look to tutorials idi*t.

  • @xekind
    @xekind Před 3 lety

    Thanks @GMHikaru ! First time I've felt smart watching one of your videos 😂

  • @tomas26jsecundario64
    @tomas26jsecundario64 Před 3 lety +12

    well since I see many memes about it but no one to explain why he constantly looks at the ceiling I will do it myself. According to NLP when looking up to the right it is why the person is using visual construction aka building images in his head (like when he imagines possible chess moves)

  • @Abyssionknight
    @Abyssionknight Před 3 lety

    The pattern to these is that you work on the outside and move towards the inside. So you do top left corner, then the rest of the that horizontal row. Then you to the bottom left, and the remainder of the vertical row. You keep doing that until you get to the final 3x2 zone, and at that point it's just simply using 2x2 rotations to get the pieces into the correct order.
    To get pieces in the right place, you simply focus the blank square on the location you want your piece, and rotate to reach that point. For the two edge pieces of your current layer, you simply have to place them side beside, so when rotating the corner into place, the secondary piece aligns as well. So if you counter clockwise rotate, you want the larger piece first, then the smaller one. For clockwise rotation, you want to smaller first, larger second. Kind of hard to explain without visuals, but once you can visualize the process it's pretty easy.

  • @Verlisify
    @Verlisify Před 3 lety +38

    someone never played Runescape

  • @alfredcguo
    @alfredcguo Před 3 lety +1

    runescape puzzle boxes have prepared me for this moment

  • @yoavm92
    @yoavm92 Před 3 lety +2

    Its different from the cube; you need to look at the basic case, for the puzzle each square has 4 options of movement and you creat a recursive equation based on those rules. While in the cube you got correlation between the 3 sets of pieces colors and states, with one, two or three colors correlate with the number of states it has, log base 1, 2 and 3 accordingly and you build movement equations based on that plus the cube movement options.

    • @xminterminator8632
      @xminterminator8632 Před 3 lety

      In other words you memorize like 5 different set algorithms and bam all 3x3 cubes solved

    • @luckyadityabudiono
      @luckyadityabudiono Před 3 lety

      @@xminterminator8632 It's more complicated than that actually...

  • @MemeStar3900
    @MemeStar3900 Před 3 lety +4

    Now I know how Hikaru feels watching us play chess

  • @ben1996123
    @ben1996123 Před 3 lety +23

    hey i'm a super GM of 15 puzzle do you want a lesson??

    • @dphdmn
      @dphdmn Před 3 lety

      ben please u slow

    • @factorial1059
      @factorial1059 Před 3 lety +3

      Ye he ain't lying he has some wrs in this shit

  • @yrb8tethesavage456
    @yrb8tethesavage456 Před 3 lety +1

    Finally I feel smart watching this Hikaru video 😂

  • @larry89
    @larry89 Před 3 lety +1

    Just gotta look at the puzzle 4 squares at a time and rotate them til you get them where they need to be..

  • @whatsup914
    @whatsup914 Před 3 lety

    The way I solve these is I usually do all the rows first from top to bottom until I get to solving the second last row and the last row. The last two rows form columns of height 2 so then I just start solving the 2 height columns from left to right until the puzzle is solved.

  • @patapon828
    @patapon828 Před 3 lety +1

    I have this game but it's a small handheld metal thing... I used to obsess over it when I was younger, and used to be able to solve it in less than 20 seconds. Of course, it's easier to do it with two thumbs than with one mouse!

  • @Scriabinfan593
    @Scriabinfan593 Před 3 lety

    I find it funny that i look up at the ceiling too when i'm visualizing something, it helps somehow. When i'm solving complex math problems and trying to remember something i also look up at the ceiling.

  • @lziv7583
    @lziv7583 Před 3 lety +2

    This just unlocked a memory where I found one of these in my mom’s room when I was little and it took me like 30 minutes to solve it 😂

  • @danielcrase
    @danielcrase Před 3 lety

    i love this puzzle thing, i never knew anyone else knew about it really

  • @marimbaguy715
    @marimbaguy715 Před 3 lety +2

    The Windows 7 version of this game is a bit faster since you can click at the end of a row and move the whole row, additionally the tiles move faster. I've played hundreds of games on that version, and my record is 10 seconds.

  • @xxx0ox0
    @xxx0ox0 Před 3 lety +2

    I beat these puzzles when i was 5-7 years old, I now know how Hikaru looks at us when we play chess.

  • @DiBM8_
    @DiBM8_ Před 3 lety +10

    Rs players trained their whole life for this

  • @timothycheek7582
    @timothycheek7582 Před 3 lety

    The easiest way to learn the method is by starting with a solved puzzle. Then you move the pieces and learn the patterns you need to create in order to develop into your final product.

  • @hiddencuber2250
    @hiddencuber2250 Před 5 měsíci

    Of course, if he intends to. It just take few hours or one day to learn it. But to become a pro, it takes years.

  • @Dragon-jd1ks
    @Dragon-jd1ks Před 3 lety +1

    When you from being very, very slightly impressed at Bobby Fischer to watching Hikaru.

  • @wildfire812
    @wildfire812 Před 3 lety

    You need to pre arrange it backwards before transferring to the top i.e. 4321 then transfer to the top accordingly

  • @hysterheister0947
    @hysterheister0947 Před 3 lety +2

    "You need to do columns, not lines."
    Oh, Twitch chat....

  • @charley9038
    @charley9038 Před 3 lety +8

    Hilary: I’m confused
    Me: don’t worry, you’re not the only one

  • @its_honey6018
    @its_honey6018 Před 3 lety

    I literally binge your videos lol

  • @namikazeswapnil671
    @namikazeswapnil671 Před 3 lety

    Here also taking help from the stockfish ceiling

  • @inoderlulzer5163
    @inoderlulzer5163 Před 5 měsíci

    Cavett:But what's the greatest pleasure? Corresponding to hitting homerun in baseball?
    Hikaru: The greatest pleasure...
    Ah, when I break his record.

  • @davidnelsonjr.5156
    @davidnelsonjr.5156 Před 3 lety +3

    You should check out the crazy world of cubing

  • @gooddognigel9992
    @gooddognigel9992 Před 2 lety

    Hikaru’s greatest challenge: untangling a set of christmas tree lights blindfolded

  • @wrench804
    @wrench804 Před 3 lety +1

    My childhood game was SOKOBAN I would love to see Hikaru play it

  • @theweezard
    @theweezard Před 2 lety

    Drop to the left to shift right and vice versa

  • @SmurphFe
    @SmurphFe Před 3 lety

    Runescape clue scrolls made me very good at this puzzle

  • @lucario4399
    @lucario4399 Před 3 lety +1

    I am Sure that hikaru has taken more than half an hour for the puzzle but when he see this game on any random day he will remember each end every move

  • @jakesacchetti3340
    @jakesacchetti3340 Před 3 lety +1

    You inspired me to try this puzzle... 37 seconds was my best

  • @gangleri_0181
    @gangleri_0181 Před 3 lety

    Wow, I had forgotten about this puzzle. Loved it when I was a kid. =)

  • @animeshthakur5693
    @animeshthakur5693 Před 3 lety +10

    This really proves his point of you don't have an amazing iq to be a gm, still pretty fast for him to pick it up

    • @JohnDoe-nm5le
      @JohnDoe-nm5le Před 2 lety

      Seems like he's had prior experience, too. So who knows whether or not this was him picking it up fast.

    • @sammomeni520
      @sammomeni520 Před rokem

      “IQ” is more correlated with how well you do something after doing it for a while compared to others who have done it for a similar length of time

  • @farleydbear
    @farleydbear Před 3 lety +1

    once you know how to do it, its the same thing everytime. put 3 where 4 should be (or vice versa) but make sure 4 isnt near 3 or it wont work. then put 4 under 3, and finally slide them both into place, starting with 3. do the same with 7/8. the last 2 rows you do sideways, with the same idea as the first two rows. put 13 where 9 should be, put 9 next to 13, same with 10/14. the last 3 tiles just go nuts

  • @ericO141
    @ericO141 Před rokem

    I like a lot that he says "I still don't understand it completely". He doesn't care about people that may think it's "so easy" and he still doesn't get it.

  • @kampybballer21
    @kampybballer21 Před 3 lety

    Lmao, I got so good at these doing Runescape treasure trail puzzle boxes before runelite was a thing. Its odd watching Hikaru content when I’m the one with more knowledge on what he’s doing xD

  • @dinofx35
    @dinofx35 Před 3 lety +1

    Now I know how Hikaru feels when he watches Pog Champs

  • @jacobmarshall2269
    @jacobmarshall2269 Před 3 lety

    I was waiting for him to say “takes takes, takes and takes”

  • @4KNatureandCityWalks
    @4KNatureandCityWalks Před 3 lety +1

    Isn’t this just one of the RuneScape puzzles for clue scrolls and monkey madness

    • @in9463
      @in9463 Před 3 lety +1

      Right on!

    • @mond256
      @mond256 Před 3 lety

      Runescape uses a 5x5 grid, the 15 puzzle is a classic puzzle popularised by a newspaper some many years ago

  • @randomstranger3576
    @randomstranger3576 Před 3 lety

    This exile, crept from the shadows. Will never be crowned King.

  • @rbrtgrdn
    @rbrtgrdn Před 3 lety

    I was a pretty good Rubik's Cube puzzle solver. I found the biggest tip is to make sure it's well broken in. I would take it apart and put it back together. It was so smooth.

  • @michellespinasse8455
    @michellespinasse8455 Před 3 lety

    As I watch I keep wondering how many more time Ikaru is gonna hit reset.

  • @hiddencuber2250
    @hiddencuber2250 Před 5 měsíci

    Can anyone tell me when did
    Hikaru tried sudoku?

  • @compitechive1206
    @compitechive1206 Před 3 lety +1

    lol he should of put the dream speedrun music

  • @marianminchev9152
    @marianminchev9152 Před 3 lety

    he got me addicted to that thing lol

  • @victorsalinas3891
    @victorsalinas3891 Před 3 lety

    What in the world? I was just recommended Fischer video like a day ago and now hikaru is watching it? CZcams algorithm is kinda freaky

  • @rigobertobarajas585
    @rigobertobarajas585 Před 3 lety

    Genius at work

  • @YTKevs
    @YTKevs Před 3 lety +1

    It kinda surprised me how Hikaru can visualize at least 10 different boards blindfolded, or recall every single move of a game he played years ago but have a hard time doing this simple puzzle.

    • @ym276
      @ym276 Před 3 lety

      He only found out about this puzzle 15 minutes before he solved it and he didn't even check the officia methods too

  • @sebastianrudas9493
    @sebastianrudas9493 Před 3 lety

    Only hikaru can make me watch 30 minutes of a guy solving a puzzle

  • @davidharris2517
    @davidharris2517 Před 3 lety +1

    Finally something that I can beat hikaru at

  • @oldlady5974
    @oldlady5974 Před 3 lety

    Holy crap, Hikaru damn homie

  • @christophe2570
    @christophe2570 Před 3 lety

    Honestly 5 minutes in and my computer would be out the window.

  • @pher8902
    @pher8902 Před 3 lety

    This is hilarious because I used to play this as a kid all the time. The shoe is on the other foot now lol

  • @totenks
    @totenks Před 3 lety

    yo I used to love solving these when I was a kid

  • @cmd7013
    @cmd7013 Před 3 lety

    Hikaru: Fifteen puzzle game=rubixs cube= sudoku=chess🤣🤣

  • @justarandomcatwithmoustache

    I used to play a similar game on my mom's old keypad phone (i was 12 or something) and i was really proud of myself for doing 6×6 version under 40 secs :^)

  • @Shanenap
    @Shanenap Před 3 lety +1

    This position is just losing, I’m just gonna reset

  • @Raz-G
    @Raz-G Před 3 lety +1

    RuneScape players know the hell of this puzzle

  • @deanbean2296
    @deanbean2296 Před 3 lety +1

    Omg he just clustered number 10 so bad

  • @MyNemesisIX
    @MyNemesisIX Před 3 lety +1

    tbh once you figure it out.. its quite simple! at 1st without looking at the techniques.. it took me like 8-10 min to get it to the last 3... and 5 minute after seeing a (how to solve) video.. i can consistently beat it within a minute!

  • @bernartekarlshane9686
    @bernartekarlshane9686 Před 3 lety

    I like the chat backseating thinking they're better than Hikaru

  • @techdawg3085
    @techdawg3085 Před 3 lety

    He is himan after all!

  • @someoneyoumayknow5637
    @someoneyoumayknow5637 Před 3 lety +1

    Omg I was literally just watching that

  • @darylsalisbury1888
    @darylsalisbury1888 Před 3 lety

    When you have experience with runescape clue puzzles 😅

  • @Brain-washed2
    @Brain-washed2 Před 3 lety +1

    Was super obsessed with this for about a month when I was like 11, I think my best time was 39 seconds

    • @JohnDoe-nm5le
      @JohnDoe-nm5le Před 2 lety

      Damn. Was that using an online one or a real one? I've been trying to get sub 1 minute on the same website Hikaru was doing here, but it seems like I just can't move the tiles fast enough. Either the tiles move to slow or I'm just coming up with an excuse.
      Edit: eh. nvm. just did like 4 in 20 seconds. Seems like the time is very dependent on whether or not the puzzle was sufficiently puzzled.

    • @Brain-washed2
      @Brain-washed2 Před 2 lety

      @@JohnDoe-nm5le a little metal one, I would always set up 1 & 15 in opposite ends when I started to understand how it worked
      That or I would just have somebody scramble it. Either way I didn't make it easy